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Brandon Jennings 55 - Not a Sign of a Great Point Guard

I hate to rain on this 55 point parade but Brandon Jennings hitting uncontested jump shots against the Warriors does not change my opinion of him as a point guard in this league.

How many times have we seen young studs come in and show they could score the ball and how many times have they proven themselves to be me-first ballers that eventually alienate their teammates and fade away to supporting roles.

Brandon is obviously talented and he clearly was feeling it last night as he told Yahoo! Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski after the game, "The shots kept going in, and after a while the rim kept getting bigger and bigger and I just felt like I couldn’t miss."

But it was this quote on NBA TV that caught my eye, "The Warriors, they kept going under the screens in the first half I was hesitating to take shots and in the second half they kept going under the screens and I was like 'ok, don't keep disrespecting me' and I just started knocking down jump shots and we started getting a bigger lead and after that I just started thinking about getting the win."

Absolutely, if the Warriors are going to go under the screens then he needs to take that shot but his response is telling. He doesn't talk about taking what was given. He talks about being disrespected and only after that he starts thinking about the win?

That kind of attitude is perfectly acceptable in a young talented player but not in a point guard who's role is to lead his team on the floor.

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In isolation this wouldn't be anything but having seen this kid play in Vegas what stood out even more than his abilities was his "look at me" attitude and while very talented those kind of point guards never end up having great careers in the NBA. Allen Iverson was without a doubt the most successful of this breed and Brandon is no Allen and look where AI is now at age 34 compared to the 35 year old Steve Nash.

So while I don't want to take away from his incredible talent, I am no where near sold on his ability to lead a team from the point. As we've learned here in Phoenix over the years, the key to winning basketball is having a team that over the course of the season that is willing to play unselfish basketball and while some teams can do that without a great point guard no team can do that with a selfish point guard.

You have to think that is a big reason why Mike D'Antoni and Knicks passed on him despite how desperate they were to find a PG. They already have an undersized guy that can score in Nate Robinson. They need a team leader who can bring their players together and orchestrate their movement on the the floor. Jennings is not that guy. At least not yet and while a player can develop their game they rarely change their personalities.

Perhaps Brandon will mature over the next few years and grow into the kind of person needed to run a team but for now he's just another in a long line of flash in the pan point guards that don't have the right instincts for the team aspect of the game.

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I think he can evolve into more of a pure point as he matures

Right now scoring comes naturally to him, and it’s amazing to see what he’s able to do @ 20 years old. If he had just made one more three, or not sucked it up in the first half, he would have matched and maybe even broken the rookie scoring record. I wanted Jennings and I’m glad that we didn’t pass on him(couldn’t pass on him).

I was cool with taking Lawson too, but since we had Dragic, I can see why they took Clark. I’m just hoping Clark puts all of his tools to good use.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Nov 15, 2009 9:54 AM MST reply actions  

For now he's what the Bucks have needed him to be

As currently constructed the Bucks need a guy who can score from the point, and that’s why they’re 5-2 and outperforming everyone’s expectations. The “pure point” fans might prefer it if he was putting up 15/10, but they wouldn’t be winning as many games IMO. And beyond that, as a franchise, the Bucks need a great player, no matter what that looks like. If it’s closer to Allen Iverson than Steve Nash, that’s OK.

Speaking of which, I really have no idea if he’s going to be truly great or what exactly kind of player he’s going to end up being. I didn’t think he would ever be able to score like he has, but it’s been what the Bucks have needed up until now. It might not make him a better PG by your definition, but it does make him a better player IMO. I don’t want him deferring to Charlie Bell or Carlos Delfino, and I won’t blame Jennings if those guys can’t make jump shots. That said, I agree that it doesn’t end there. He’s gotta find the balance when Redd comes back—that’ll be a first test—and if/when the Bucks add more scorers down the road then he needs to make those guys better, too.

But for now the only other guy who’s proven he deserves touches on the team is Bogut, and he’s playing as well as he ever has. A lot of that is Jennings making sure he gets the ball early and often, and that’s a big reason why this team is winning games. That shouldn’t be lost in all of this—he’s scoring in ways that help the team win games. And the funny part is—and this came up in Vegas too—that you always hear about guys enjoying playing with him. Whoever said that about Iverson?

Regarding the “disrespect” thing, you can do backflips turning a quote into whatever you want, but he’s winning games and all you ever hear is that he’s a competitor. You don’t think great players feed off little things like that during a game? Point guards aren’t allowed to do that?

And while I’m not sure exactly why D’Antoni passed on him in June, do you think he’d pass over Jennings if he could have a do-over? Clearly a lot of people (well, everyone) didn’t realize what Jennings was capable at the time, so it seems a slippery slope to use that against Jennings now.

by Frank Madden on Nov 15, 2009 10:26 AM MST reply actions  

Great points...we will have to wait and see

I get that he’s doing what you need him to do for the Bucks.

My opinion is that in two or three years we won’t be talking about Jennings as a top point guard. Might as well say that now as opposed to two or three years from now.

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by Seth Pollack on Nov 15, 2009 10:37 AM MST up reply actions  

Well said Frank

I can’t argue with Jennings putting up high scoring numbers when the Bucks need him to do just that. He shot 21 for 34 last night, do you think Warrick, Ilyasova, Bell, etc. could have scored at such a high percentage with those shots? Have you noticed that in two other games, when teammates have been making shots he’s recorded 9 assists?
I think it’s ridiculous to say that Jennings is " just another in a long line of flash in the pan point guards that don’t have the right instincts for the team aspect of the game", his team is 5-2, and he’s a rookie starting point guard (the position with the highest learning curve in the game) and has been dismantling some very high quality competition in recent game (Rose, Billups, Ellis).
Nit picking with what he said after the game to prove that he somehow all in it for himself and can’t be a good “true” point guard is really grasping at straws.
Why after a kid in his 7th game in the league drops 55 you want to write an article suggesting he can’t play his position is beyond me! Why would you want to put yourself out there saying he won’t be a great point guard me 7 games into his pro career?
As a Bucks fan, give us this moment to enjoy an exciting young talent and if he doesn’t pan out to be what we hope, we’ll deal with it then.

by igotsoul2 on Nov 15, 2009 10:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Didn't say anything towards Bucks fans

you guys deserve to win and have an exciting product….

As for why now? Why do we make predictions at the beginning of the season? Why do we give opinions about players before they are drafted? What fun is it look back and say – hmmmm, ‘I never believed in that guy’ after the fact

Look – I don’t wish the kid wrong and when you are going from where the Buck have been this is a big deal. Great. No problem with that. And I also said that he can grow into the position as he matures. Usually that doesn’t happen but it could.

But to me. In MY OPINION, he doesn’t have the make up to be a top point guard. He reminds me of a Jason Williams or Nate Robinson. One great night of scoring isn’t going to change that.

I have no problem with arrogant players either but they can’t lead successful teams and they generally aren’t point guards. Kobe is the exception, not the rule.

That’s just one man’s opinion. Enjoy your time with Brandon. Enjoy winning. Enjoy having a team worth talking about. My opinion about his future career in the NBA should have nothing to do with that.

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by Seth Pollack on Nov 15, 2009 10:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks

I appreciate the response Stan. I don’t want to come across as taking it personally as a Bucks fan.

I just think it’s premature to state that he’s simply a scoring guard at this stage. I think Frank’s statement that if he was putting up 15/10 rather than 20 plus/5 we’d have a worse record is a very valid point.

Laying into a guy fresh off a 55 point evening that results in a win for his team (much less that he’s 3 weeks into his pro career)and suggesting he won’t pan out just seem like useless conjecture than rather than a well crafted argument based on evidence/analysis.

Regardless, you’re entitled to you opinion and I can respect that.

by igotsoul2 on Nov 15, 2009 11:14 AM MST up reply actions  

what?

You said

if he was putting up 15/10 rather than 20 plus/5 we’d have a worse record

according to my math (correct me if I am wrong) but 15 pts/10 ast adds up to 35 points produced. Whereas 20 points and 5 assists produces 30 points. In what universe will more points produce a worse record?

The 15/10 not only produces more points, but gets more people involved, which is always a good thing.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Nov 15, 2009 11:45 AM MST up reply actions  

My math

Your math isn’t wrong, I wrote “20 plus” because I didn’t know off-hand what his ppg average was.

I’ve checked, it’s 25.6, plus 5.1 assists, which adds up to around 35.8 points produced. Frank Madden of Brewhoop had made the point that Jennings high scoring output was the result of team need, not because he was a selfish player or because he can’t be a playmaker (which he definitely can).

My earlier point was that I would rather have a guy who’s shooting around 50% from the field taking more shots than some of the other guys on the team who aren’t nearly as talented of scorers.

Now of course, when Redd comes back, I do hope Jennings shot count goes down and his assists go up, but we’ll have to see.

by igotsoul2 on Nov 15, 2009 11:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Stan

Arrogant players can’t lead teams?

In the past 20 years, 7 different teams have won championships.

89-90 Pistons: Isiah Thomas, arrogant
90-91 Bulls: Michael Jordan, arrogant
91-92 Bulls: Michael Jordan, arrogant
92-93 Bulls: Michael Jordan, arrogant
93-94 Rockets: Olajuwon, not too arrogant
94-95: Rockets: Olajuwon, not too arrogant
95-96 Bulls: Jordan, arrogant
96-97 Bulls: Jordan, arrogant
97-98 Bulls: Jordan, arrogant
98-99 Spurs: Duncan/Robinson, neither very arrogant
99-00 Lakers: Shaq, arrogant
00-01 Lakers: Shaq, arrogant
01-02 Lakers: Shaq, arrogant
02-03 Spurs: Duncan, not too arrogant
03-04 Piston: I don’t know who the leader was but doesn’t really seem to add up to arrogant
04-05 Spurs: Duncan, not too arrogant
05-06 Heat: Wade, not too arrogant
06-07 Spurs: Duncan, not too arrogant
07-08 Celtics: Garnett, arrogant
08-09 Lakers: Kobe, arrogant

12 of the last 20 championship teams have been led by arrogant players. 8 teams haven’t. That’s a fairly even split. I would presume that this is because a player’s arrogance has little to do with the team’s performance.

Instead, the question we should be asking is: Is the player actually great? Allen Iverson is average at best. Always has been, always will be. The same goes for Marbury. These are guys who shoot extremely low percentages, turn the ball over too much, don’t rebound well for their positions, and are poor defenders. So, of course, they can’t lead teams. They’re not good.

Now I don’t know if Brandon Jennings is going to be a great player, but I will say this: If he can score 20+ points on .558 eFG% shooting while bringing 5 apg and 4.5 rpg as a PG for the rest of his career, he’s going to be a tremendously effective player. Even with his high TO rate (3.4 pg), scoring with that kind of efficiency is rare in the NBA, and it’s something Iverson or Marbury could never even come close to doing. So add this efficiency to Jennings’ rebounds and you have a legitimate All-star caliber player.

Now I don’t know if he’ll keep this up (who does it’s only 7 games), but I do know that his arrogance is pretty low on the list of issues he or the Bucks need to worry about.

Don't feel bad, Channing. We can't rebound either.

by rosewood on Nov 15, 2009 12:33 PM MST up reply actions  

how many of those guys you listed

were point guards?

1 and I don’t really consider Isiah a me first guy – at least back in those days before he well all Bill Clinton on the interns.

He’s a very effective player – so far – but playing the point requires leadership b/c you have the ball in your hands. Right now he’s playing with a bunch of role players. What happens when (if) he’s on a team like the Suns that are loaded with talent and his job is to keep everyone happy and to trust his teammates?

I don’t see it.

If you listed all the young PGs in the league this guy would be low on the list of who I would pick to build a team around

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by Seth Pollack on Nov 15, 2009 1:23 PM MST up reply actions  

How many of teams I listed

were led by point guards?

The Lakers and Bulls teams were triangle teams where PGs are really nothing more than spot-up shooters.

Don't feel bad, Channing. We can't rebound either.

by rosewood on Nov 15, 2009 3:55 PM MST up reply actions  

The thing that was revolutionary about Isiah Thomas..

was that he brought the mentality of the street gangs, around which he grew up, to the NBA.

If you look at those 80s Pistons, that’s exactly how they behaved, with insane loyalty within the group. If you were a teammate of Thomas or Laimbeer’s, he’d do everything and anything to help you. And if you messed with one of them, well.. you messed with all of them. They were the NBA equivalent of the Crips.

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by Pliny the Elder on Nov 15, 2009 10:13 PM MST up reply actions  

what are you babbling about

I googled Brandon Jennings name today and for some reason this article came up. I read it. And I’m sorry I did.

Did you even watch the game? Are you reporting on something? Beacause to me it seems like your opinion is based on an NBA TV article, and a yahoo article quote. And that you watched him in summer league. No one who watched the game or have actually seen Jennings play an NBA game woul say that. If you would’ve watched, you would have seen him looking for Bogut the entire first half down low, and when that didn’t leave them in the lead at half, then he started to look for his offense because the defense was slacking. It was pretty amazing to watch actually, in that 3rd everything was falling. And have you not seen his speed and ability to get to the cup? His ability to absorb contact for such a slender guy?

So let me get this straight, he’s not a leader and selfish because he looks to score when the opportunity presents itself? If you want to talk about his unselfishness, watch the Bucks Nuggets game from this week, where he had a wide open breakaway lay-in, and he decided to drop for Hakim Warrick instead.

And this:
“How many times have we seen young studs come in and show they could score the ball and how many times have they proven themselves to be me-first ballers that eventually alienate their teammates and fade away to supporting roles.”

Who? Who are you talking about? What rookie has scored 55 and faded into obscurity? Right now with Redd out, the only other legit option is Bogut, so of course the guy going to look for his offense if his team is down and he can take advantage of a matchup.

And this:
Allen Iverson was without a doubt the most successful of this breed and Brandon is no Allen and look where AI is now at age 34 compared to the 35 year old Steve Nash.

Yes and how many NBA Finals has Steve Nash been to compared to Iverson? Besides AI situation is different. When has Jennings refused to come off the bench? When has he skipped out on practice? If you want to talk about selfishness, why don’t you look to your boy Amare. Stoudemire was whining about touches in Terry Porter’s system last season when he was the team’s leading scorer.

Man, they shouldn’t let random Suns fans have a blog. Oh and by the way, in case you’re wondering, I’m not a Bucks supporter boosting Jennings, I just actually saw the performance on Saturday and thought it was spectacular.

Are Nate Archibald and Oscar Robertson not great point guards because they looked to score?

Sorry to go on at such great length, but it pisses me off that they let anyone have a blog, even when it’s clearly based on nothing.

I award this article no points, and we’re all dumber for having read it.

by quaker oats on Nov 15, 2009 10:34 AM MST reply actions  

Go have a drink

with Wilford Brimley

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Nov 15, 2009 10:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Jesus Christ

Take an effing chill pill man. Just because you don’t agree with him doesn’t mean you have to go on your own personal crusade. It only makes you look like a douche.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Nov 15, 2009 10:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Actually.

You’re points were relatively well put, but you lost your audience by making it a personal attack on the author. Disagreement is great; name-calling is not.

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by Mike Lisboa on Nov 15, 2009 1:45 PM MST up reply actions  

agree with that rant.

I agree Brandon Jennings seems to be a target for bad press because he skipped out on AZ and went to Euro. However ever since has been in Miltown he has done everything asked of him and more. He even bought a cheap Ford and cheap Apt. next to the bradley center because he wanted to focus on becoming a better ball player.

Every Superstar has their fair share of haters tho.

by Billin41 on Nov 15, 2009 4:35 PM MST up reply actions  

ha ha, i’d hold off calling him a “Superstar” just at the moment….

by Chucko on Nov 16, 2009 7:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Hawk42

what a well thought out and organized response in this point guard issue. thanks for the insight!

by quaker oats on Nov 15, 2009 10:42 AM MST reply actions  

Frank's response was well thought out and organized

Yours was a rant. There’s a big, big difference.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Nov 15, 2009 10:56 AM MST up reply actions  

au contraire

I put 4 brain cells into my response, whereas your post used 2.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Nov 15, 2009 11:47 AM MST up reply actions  

I have to disagree

I agree with much of Frank’s points – especially about the team needing him to step up and score in this particular game.

I wouldn’t read too much in the “disrespect” quote. That’s a common mentality for young (or older) players and a way many coaches use to reach them – the disrespect card can be very useful to get a player (or a team) to execute more aggressively. He was probably just regurgitating something Skiles told to him in the huddle during the game.

As for him being brash and cocky, I don’t see a problem with that either. He’s being coached by one of the most brash and cocky point-guards in the history of the game anyway.

In terms of skill-set, he still has, like any other 20 year old point-guard, lots to learn about how to run a team. It takes time to learn and I have no reason to believe he can’t learn it. I can’t think of a single point-guard that at his age wasn’t more of a “creator” than a “floor-general” – Nash, Stockton or Deron Williams included and had a tendency to over-dribble or a good notion of how to control the tempo of the game, where to go in each possession, etc. But unless I’m very wrong, he has the instincts – he looks for cutters, he tries to get the ball down low, he retreats when the play isn’t there .

The Bucks had in the recent past two guys who were able to put up numbers and look good – Mo Williams and Ramon Sessions – but that, IMO, weren’t nowhere close to where Jennings already is. They don’t have a clue about how to run an offence, they are SGs in PG bodies (in Sessions case a SG who can’t shoot) but Jennings is a quite different player, IMO.

In spite of his numbers, right now I think Jennings is more of a passer than a scorer- he’s really good finding passing angles, inclusively the tough ones to identify, and executing, putting the ball “between the numbers”.

But what clearly differentiates Jennings from someone like AI, IMO, is his attitude and work ethic. A friend of mine (coincidentally a Bucks fan, I must talk to her about this developments) has close ties to some guys of the FO of Jennings team in Italy and she kept telling me last season how they were awed by his work ethic and attitude – the kid was a workaholic and the ultimate pro. And it definitely shows – one year ago he wasn’t able to hit a shot (especially off the dribble) and to run or defend the screenball. In Europe we spend an awful lot of time practising those things and he’s making jumpers and running the high pick’n’roll with Bogut brilliantly. He’s really matured a lot as a basketball player last season and during the off-season. And he’s aesthetically enjoyable to see running the open court.

Oh, btw, talking about Bogut, it’s a shame that all this Jennings hype is hiding his own development. I thought Bogut was already playing very well in the last 1/3 of the 07/08 season. He started last season magnificently, especially in the defensive end and on the boards, till he went down with the injury, so I’m not surprised a bit how he’s playing right now. His rebounding and defence are top-notch: right now I think only Dwight Howard and an in-form Garnett are better defensive bigs than Bogut. He isn’t flashy and I guess that’s the reason why nobody is talking about this (the other day I wrote that Bogut was on his way to deserve DPOY considerations and I got laughed), but he’s a freak thinking the game, contesting shots, closing driving lanes, moving his feet around, getting rebounding position… the way he draws charges is lovely. He’s been a bigger factor than Jennings in the Bucks season, I believe.

And I must have been one of the 4 persons in the universe predicting that the Bucks would make the playoffs (in fact, I have them making the 2nd round). They’re one of the top defensive and rebounding teams in the league: they have 2 elite defenders, one inside and one on the perimeter (Bogut and LRMAM), a few above-average ones (Delfino, Bell, Ilyasova) and then play a few guys who are so pesky, dedicated or experienced that they end up contributing positively on that end of the floor (Jennings, Ridnour, Thomas, Gadzuric). Their only subpar defenders are Warrick and Redd, but with Skiles as a coach, they’ll have to bust their asses out there. Defense and rebounding don’t make a title contender, but it’s basically impossible to miss the POs if you’re really good in those chapters of the game, no matter how terrible you are offensively.

by cordobes on Nov 15, 2009 11:55 AM MST reply actions  

Great passer vs great floor leader

There’s a difference between the two and while you are right that it takes young PG’s years to develop those skills the great one’s show it early. Paul and Williams both were obvious examples. Gordon in LA I think has it. Flynn and Curry have the make up for it.

I don’t think Jennings does which isn’t to say he doesn’t work hard or have GREAT talent. I also don’t think Tyreke Evans has those PG skills but he’s a monster and can easily play the SG and be more of an offensive playmaker type like D Wade.

Jennings is too small for that.

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by Seth Pollack on Nov 15, 2009 12:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree it's a whole different thing

But I think Jennings has shown as much of them in his 7th game as Paul or Williams in his rookie season. Young PGs tend to play always at the same pace and to not identify when and how to set up their scorers, when to shoot, and when to slow down or step up the tempo – that’s how I define a floor-general (I don’t think Gordon is one; Flynn is a very charismatic player, and a true leader, but I don’t think he’s one as well – in fact, I believe he’ll never be close to one). Another rookie from this class I believe has it is Maynor, for example. Bibby doesn’t have it – his game was always to play 1on1 and create off the dribble, for himself or his teammates (he’s always more productive playing for teams that run their offence through other players, like CWeb in Sac or JJ in Atlanta), Calderon, to name a player of similar quality, does have it. Nelson or Harris don’t have it; Rondo or Felton have it. I believe you can be successful with both type of players, you just need to put different pieces surrounding them. Evans is a Wade type of player, definitely.

by cordobes on Nov 15, 2009 12:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Iverson

What also distinguishes Jennings from Iverson is that Iverson shot .452 eFG% for his career, but still took 22 shots per game. That’s absurdly awful.

Right now, Jennings is shooting .558 eFG% on 20 shots per game.

That’s the kind of shooting that wins games.

Don't feel bad, Channing. We can't rebound either.

by rosewood on Nov 15, 2009 12:44 PM MST up reply actions  

He won't keep up those numbers

1. At some point teams will stop going under the screen when defending him

2. He’s not really that good of a jump-shooter

and I agree with you

3. He isn’t the kind of guy that will keep shooting his team out of games and freezing his teammates, a la Iverson.

by cordobes on Nov 15, 2009 12:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, I doubt he'll keep it that high

either but he’s going to have to take a startling drop to reach Iverson levels.

On the other hand, I’d guess that his TOs will go down as he gets more experience.

Don't feel bad, Channing. We can't rebound either.

by rosewood on Nov 15, 2009 12:51 PM MST up reply actions  

I don’t disagree with the subject line of this article, but the author misses the point of Jennings’ game.

I did not see the 55-point game, but come on. Any player playing any position who is that hot should take shots. And if they keep going in, that player should keep shooting.

I have seen Jennings three times this season. Not once has he tried to impose his will as a shooter or scorer in the first half. In all three games he ran his team’s offense and deferred to others. In no way did he look like a shoot first point guard.

In the first game I saw, he did little offensively in the first half, scoring 2 points. The Bucks trailed the entire first half and were down 11 entering the third quarter. Jennings came out in the second half, clearly looking to turn the game around. He scored 19 in that quarter, including 9 straight at one point. He did not force shots. He played within the offense. His offensive outburst came as Micheal Redd left with a sore knee and did not return. With Redd out and the Bucks lacking scoring, he took over and bludgeoned the Pistons with his shooting, penetration and disruptive defense. He turned the game around and the Bucks won easily.

In the next game, the Bucks routed the Knicks from the start. Jennings scored 17 on 7-16 shooting, 0-2 from the arc. He played a solid but unspectacular offensive game. The Bucks did not need anything more from him.

The third game was against Denver. Jennings got Bogut involved early, as Bogut scored 8 or 9 points early in the first quarter. Jennings did little in that first period, but scored a flurry of points in the second, totaling a dozen or so at half time. In a close game, Jennings came out in the third quarter, took over the game and built a Bucks lead with his offense. He scored 32 points shooting 11-19, 2-2 from the 3-pt arc. He was 8-8 from the foul line, all of those coming as the Bucks were protecting a slim lead in the final seconds.

In all three games, Jennings did the things that he needed to do for his team to win. He does not force shots or dominate the ball. He is very unlike Iverson in that respect. His shot selection has been impeccable. Almost all of his shots have been wide open, because he creates so much space with his quickness (note the lack of foul shots taken – he doesn’t get to the line because he is not taking contested shots). The only weakness in his shooting thus far has been that some of his shots are a bit early in the shot clock when the team is trying to milk a lead.

Jennings is a rookie with a lot to learn. 55 points in one game does not make him an All-Star or a good point guard. But the kid has shot 60% from the field the last two games (32-53). He has made 9 of 10 from the 3-point line. He has led his team to four straight wins. When defenses sag, good point guards take advantage by taking those shots. The remarkable thing that I see in Jennings is his ability to turn it on seemingly at will, and then go back to being a facilitator.

It would be a mistake to conclude that the ability to score makes Jennings a great point guard. It would be equally wrong to assume that the ability to score prevents him from being a great point guard.

by old skool on Nov 15, 2009 12:04 PM MST reply actions  

I'm willing to give Jennings the benfit of the doubt, this time.

I watched the highlights. It didn’t look as if he were forcing the action, and was taking what the Warriors were offering him. And I like the way he’s playing with Bogut.

The dish on Jennings isn’t his talent or his ability, it’s his mental state. That basically we’re looking at a re-Marbury, or re-Iverson, which is to say someone who plays his game to the detriment of the team. And any meltdown, if it happens, will happen three or four years down the line.

I have to say, though… he is playing much better than I thought he would.

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by Pliny the Elder on Nov 15, 2009 12:11 PM MST reply actions  

exactly

I am not commenting on how he played this game or any specific game at this point in his young career…his mentality IMHO is much more like a Marbury than a Paul or a Nash if you want to compare him to guys that can both score and lead their teams

It is always the case the early on the scoring gets a lot of attention but over time these issues about mind-set become more pronounced.

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by Seth Pollack on Nov 15, 2009 12:17 PM MST up reply actions  

But looking at this game

check out the players that the Warriors had on the floor…

They started 4 guards and small forward and Kelena only played a couple of minutes before hurting his knee. Anthony Randolph was the only big for the Warriors and he only played 20 minutes (why did he only play 20 minutes???)

The Warriors couldn’t pressure Jennings b/c they had no one in the paint to stop him. The kid stepped up and hit the shots but seriously…the Warriors had the smallest line up on the floor that I’ve seen in the NBA in I don’t know how long.

And the Warriors btw still scored 42 points in the 4th and almost won the game….

While you can say it is mistake for me to pass judgment on Jennings so soon it is equally a mistake to anoint him passed on this game.

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by Seth Pollack on Nov 15, 2009 12:23 PM MST up reply actions  

oh wait

Mikki Moore played 20 minutes as well…that makes no difference

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by Seth Pollack on Nov 15, 2009 12:25 PM MST up reply actions  

But those guys were head-cases, selfish..

…ball-hogs and with a tendency to be lazy and to be more worried about their status than winning basketball games.

So far, I don’t see a single indication that Jennings is that kind of player – quite the opposite. Why do you perceive his “mental state” to be of that kind?

Is it because of his brash and cocky manners and flashy playing? Way different things, IMO. Bob Cousy was as flashy and cocky as it gets. Even before his NBA game, Jennings had always reminded me of his current coach, Scott Skiles; surely not of Iverson.

by cordobes on Nov 15, 2009 12:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Once again

It’s not the attitude that is a detriment. It’s production. Iverson and Marbury were inefficient players.

At this point, Jennings is an efficient player, so unless things change he is not a “re-Iverson.” Instead, he’ll actually be good at basketball.

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by rosewood on Nov 15, 2009 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

not for a point guard

his job is to make everyone around him better…I seem to recall either writer or saying the Jennings gets my vote for “most like to be punched out by a teammate”

Lets see how he does when the team starts losing a bit and when he’s playing with guys that also think they need the ball

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by Seth Pollack on Nov 15, 2009 1:56 PM MST up reply actions  

and the Bucks record is a bit of a...mirage

the only good team they beat was the Nuggets who were on the 2nd of a back to back and at the end of a long road trip. Maybe Detroit in the 2nd game of the year…maybe

Their two losses were to the Bulls and 76ers. Wins over Knicks, TWolves and depleted Warriors other than that…

So far he’s done nothing to make me change my mind in the slightest

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by Seth Pollack on Nov 15, 2009 1:59 PM MST up reply actions  

What's a BrewHoop fanpost doing on the front page of BSOTS?

I kid of course. But this does seem like a big ol’ bucket of Haterade. The kid is 7 games into his career. He’s got his team playing well. Scott Skiles loves him. I think that more than anything speaks to how Jennings plays the game. Skiles is a no-nonsense guy who would have no problem calling out Jennings if he was being “detrimental” to the team. Just because a guy plays with swagger and goes off in 1 game of his 7 game career does not make him a me-first cancer.

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by Mike Lisboa on Nov 15, 2009 1:57 PM MST reply actions  

A counter perspective from Kevin Pelton at Basketball Prospectus

http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=780

Perhaps the most important point regarding his play as a point guard:

“Given the efficiency, a case can be made that Jennings put together the best scoring quarter ever in an NBA regular-season game.”

Point guard is about making the right decision for his team’s success. If he can score that efficiently over the course of a quarter, shooting is the right decision.

If this was one of those high scoring games where the kid was jacking up shots at a low percentage to get himself points, perhaps the argument against him would stand. But it’s hard to argue that he made the wrong decision if he was able to convert on that many attempts.
 
In fact, contrary to his (well-deserved) rap as an immature player, I would suggest that stepping up and showing the confidence to continue taking shots as a rookie to take the responsibility for the team’s victory is a sign of maturity.

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by Nate Parham on Nov 15, 2009 2:01 PM MST reply actions  

You guys are missing the point

it’s not about this game…where he was great…against virtually no big men and a slack defense but he was great in this game.

The question is can he be a top point guard in a few years. I don’t think so despite a great quarter or game or a great 7 games or even a great season

I don’t see it. Call it gut reaction but there you go

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by Seth Pollack on Nov 15, 2009 2:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Stan, let it go...

explaining it is like showing a card trick to a dog (not junkyard dogs, though, ‘cos they are smart). And you’re not going to convince anyone who isn’t already on your side, especially anyone whose judgment of a game is based on box scores and stats, and not from actually watching the game.

Jennings deserves the credit in this game, for doing what needed to be done, within the flow of the game, and being efficient (21/34 is pretty good going)

But I was like you, just waiting for this moment to happen since the start of the season. So far, I’m pleasantly surprised, although it’s early days. Iverson won a ROY and an MVP, before going off the deep end, and Marbury played a few good years in Minnesota, before he cracked.

I have to say, though, that I do see a possible future for this kid, that doesn’t involve going down the dark side, his tendency to talk out of his arse notwithstanding. Still, by taking sole control of the game, he’s had the taste of blood. What happens from here will be interesting to watch.

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by Pliny the Elder on Nov 15, 2009 2:24 PM MST up reply actions  

How many great seasons are needed to outweigh your gut?

:)

I can see the question marks based on the pre-draft stuff, but what we’ve seen this season is so far beyond what anyone could have expected that it’s hard to figure out what really is still relevant. Clearly he’s a much better shooter than he showed in Europe. How good? We’ll see. Clearly he’s a much better pure scorer than anyone expected him to be. How good? We’ll see.

Btw Pliny, I’m not sure how many games Stan has seen of the Bucks but I think watching him play is actually a better argument for him having true PG abilities than just looking at his stats. As efficient as he’s been, he doesn’t look like a PG in numbers, even if he’s scoring efficiently (then again, CP3 is doing the same thing this year). As Old Skool’s post emphasized, his scoring so far has been remarkably in the flow of games.

I do agree though that it’s possible this is all coming too soon for his own good. He had his struggles all of last year, so it’s not like he’s never known adversity, but damn. I’m very glad Skiles is around to develop him.

by Frank Madden on Nov 15, 2009 2:39 PM MST up reply actions  

that's a hard question to answer..

because it all depends on the situation.

Take Nash, for example. Wasn’t till he returned here, that he became Steve Nash, and that was after what 8 seasons?? That’s not to say that if you were paying attention, he wasn’t doing amazing things (like the year he played with Van Exel), but he didn’t get many opportunities to shine. If he’d been drafted by the Lakers (instead of Fisher), he’d have gotten a lot more attention (not to say what the Nash/Kobe backcourt would have been like.. imagine those two going at it in practice??)

But if a player is in a good situation, is getting good minutes, and has decent teammates, then as Stan says, 3 years will show what the guy can do to help his team win. For that reason, I’m far less impressed with Chris Paul, this year, compared to previous years, despite his amazing stats.

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by Pliny the Elder on Nov 15, 2009 4:42 PM MST up reply actions  

"...what we’ve seen this season is so far beyond what anyone could have expected that it’s hard to figure out what really is still relevant."

I agree that it seems like a lot of people are judging him based on things peripheral to his performance on the court…

There seems to be an underlying assumption by his detractors that there is a certain way to play point and he doesn’t fit whatever that mold is… A team like the Bucks needs foundational talent… he might be that and it might be possible to put players around him that complement what he offers…

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by Nate Parham on Nov 15, 2009 2:44 PM MST reply actions  

Are you kidding?

The biggest Goran Dragic defender (who is more of a 2 than a 1) is trashing Brandon Jennings for scoring? Dude can do it all…he is MORE THAN CAPABLE of creating for teammates! In HS that’s why everyone looked at him in the first place. Dude is going to be KJ 2.0 – I said before the draft that I wanted the Suns to take him and would trade Goran Dragic for him IN A HEARTBEAT! In fact, if we went to them with that trade offer they would laugh in our faces – clearly there’s no comparing the two but it just boggles my mind that you would defend Dragic so adamantly and turn around and trash Jennings after an all time great performance. Just because he has “swagger” don’t mean he’s a bad player or headed for a disappointing career it just means that he knows he’s good at what he does – in fact, haven’t we been calling for Dragic to have a little swagger for the last year? I don’t really know the point of this comment except to say that I just don’t understand your position on young PGs.

by watdogg10 on Nov 15, 2009 3:28 PM MST reply actions  

Well...this has been fun

I guess Brandon has made a lot of fans in 7 games…

we’ll just have to wait and see how it plays out.

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by Seth Pollack on Nov 15, 2009 4:10 PM MST reply actions  

I have to say, i'm one of them.

I know it’s early days, but I have seen a lot out of this kid which suggests that he could be a true leader, both willing to share the ball, and take the scoring load, and tho i can see where you are coming from in the main post, i don’t see it the same way.

But thanks Stan for creating a forum for the discussion of the future of Brandon Jenning.

Put me on the “Fan” side of the fence.

by Chucko on Nov 16, 2009 8:02 PM MST up reply actions  

I just scratched my head

When he said Oscar Robertson was a point guard

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by Hawk42 on Nov 15, 2009 4:40 PM MST reply actions  

Sour Grapes

This article reeks of it.

“it’s not about this game…where he was great…against virtually no big men and a slack defense but he was great in this game.”

Right, let’s discount one of the best performances by a rookie in NBA history because he was playing against a terrible defense. He has to be the first rookie ever to play against a terrible defense. In fact, every player who goes against Golden State should put up similar numbers. While we’re at it, let’s take Kobe’s 81 off the books because he was playing the Raptors. Regardless of who he was playing, it was an epic performance. He didn’t just play great basketball, he played pristine basketball.

By indicting him for his scoring, you obviously didn’t watch the game. The Bucks were flat and he energized the team and the crowd. Watching the game, I kept thinking they couldn’t lose because he refused to let it happen and willed the team to victory. If you didn’t watch the game and only read the box score, please don’t make a poorly written blog about it. It’s equivalent to someone writing a movie review after watching the trailer.

Just because you have Nash doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy another point guard. He’s a once-in-a-generation player, but that doesn’t mean every point guard has to play just like him.

I look forward to the next time Nash puts up 40 points, so I can read about you lauding his shooting ability.

by enfilade on Nov 16, 2009 2:00 PM MST reply actions  

Hes a stud give credit where it is do hes doing what he has to do to keep that team competitive i thought we should have been more aggressive in getting him an still keeping our pick….hes been NBA ready he came from Oak Hill and has been playing on a team with high profile players on a team like ours his assist would be up..

by marques m on Nov 16, 2009 6:54 PM MST reply actions  

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