The 10-2 Phoenix Suns Are Tough
Gone are the days when the Suns ran teams off the court with high-paced fun and gun basketball. This version of the Phoenix Suns has already proven to be more versatile, mentally tough and resilient than any of the earlier Nash-era teams.
Asked before Sunday's game against the Raptors what his favorite part of this year's team is, Suns head coach Alvin Gentry quickly mentioned the teams resiliency. His favorite win up to that point wasn't the big upset over the Celtics at the Garden. He was impressed with his team coming from behind in Philadelphia on the last night of a long road trip. It was a game the team easily could have let go but they battled back and got the win.
Five times in ten wins the Suns have been trailing going into the fourth quarter and five times now the Suns have overcome double digit deficits to get the win. Obviously the Suns don't want to have to come from behind but what it shows about this team are a few things that have been missing in Phoenix for the past 5 years.
Versatility
A few years back when the Spurs were at the peak of their greatness they played inside-out defensive basketball and liked to keep the score in the 80's. But on numerous occasions they would get down to the fast-paced Suns early in the game only to adjust on the fly and out -run and out-score Phoenix beating us at our own fast paced game.
Great teams have a style of play that suits their personnel and their coach. Plan A. They also have the depth and willingness to adjust when Plan A isn't working.
This Suns team has shown that it can win when the long ball isn't falling. After averaging 47% from three to start the season the Suns are 22 for 68 (32.4%) from behind the arc over the past three games.
After getting blown out in the first poor shooting night in LA, the Suns in the past two contests were able to adjust to a more defensive approach holding Toronto and Houston to a combined 35.3 field goal percentage in the 4th quarter.
In Sunday's game it was Jared Dudley closing out the game in place of Grant Hill and Tuesday it was Jarron Collins who pitched in with 5 rebounds and 6 points in 9:25 of play in the fourth.
Maybe even most impressive is that despite the focus on rebounding and defense and without the long ball the Suns still shot 50% in the fourth periods of both games and continued their streak of breaking the 100 point mark in every game this season.
Mental Toughness
Say what you want about the Spurs and I love beating them as much as any Suns fan, but you have to respect the way they approach the game. They have proven over the the years to be extremely tough to beat in close games because they have the mental toughness that leads to late game execution.
The Suns are now 3-0 in games decided by less than 4 points.
This is a team that not only believes they can win but they trust and support each other. Amare's 7.8 rebounds per game isn't all that impressive but his activity is leading to extra possessions and he and Channing Frye are boxing out so the wings can grab the loose ball.
This is a sign they are willing to do whatever it takes to win and display of maturity and grit that we've not seen before. It is almost as if the team's stars and starters are being pushed by the example set by hustling role players like Amundson and Dudley.
Doing what needs to be done. Late game execution. Hard work. Those have been hallmarks of Spurs basketball and now for the first time the Suns are singing from that song book.
People criticized Steve Kerr for wanting to turn the Suns into San Antonio-West. Maybe those fans are seeing now that while the style of play on the floor doesn't have to be the same the mentality of winning teams is important.
Whatever it is this season, the Suns are clearly on the right track. They are winning games in ways they couldn't have back in the "glory days" of the run and gun and they are winning fans over not with their high-flying scoring antics but with toughness, determination, execution and grit.
The true test will come when the team has to overcome a losing streak and suffers the inevitable injuries but for now this is a Suns team we've waited a long time to see.
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The results may be the same, but watching those Spurs teams was like watching paint dry. Whereas this team wins and makes it look exciting.
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by Hawk42 on Nov 18, 2009 11:25 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
style is different - mentality is same
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 18, 2009 11:26 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We don't have
The whiners and cheap shot artists , either.
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by Hawk42 on Nov 18, 2009 12:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
you forgot champions
There was a lot not to like about the Spurs but there’s a lot there they did very well.. I see us starting to take the best of it
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 18, 2009 1:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm loving this
Instead of the Run & Gun or Fun & Gun – I’m calling it the Stun & Gun… we are seriously stunning teams with our defensive execution – watching Steve Nash contain Brooks (one of the fastest players in the league) in 4th quarter by moving and sliding his feet and getting the perfectly timed cut-off help from his forwards, and seeing Amare multiple times this season hold his own one-on-one on switches with great isolation players is stunning to me.
At times I find myself standing in my living room with my mouth wide open and shaking my head… not in dissapproval but in straight shock at how well we are locking down teams in the 4th quarter. It’s stunning. It’s the Stun & Gun era.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
by Eutychus on Nov 18, 2009 11:40 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
^^disapproval
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
by Eutychus on Nov 18, 2009 11:41 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
very good point...
all those predictions of nash getting torched by the quick young pgs in the league are turning out to be a thing of the past. Even when pg’s arguably win the numbers game on paper ( CP3 for example) it’s to the detriment of the team, and we come away with the win.
He’s gotten the best of monta, Brooks, Rondo, Baron and I’d say broke even with cp3, all things considered…bring on DWill!!!
by Fritzy on Nov 18, 2009 12:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
add to the list all the rookie's he's taken to school
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
by Eutychus on Nov 18, 2009 1:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
more tough?
I wouldn’t say this team is more mentally tough 12 games into the season. You don’t go to the WCF without having some mental fortitude…
by alimoe on Nov 18, 2009 12:06 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Easy Wins
The previous Suns teams had great “winnability”, they could win lots of games, but when faced with serious adversity (close games, chippy play) their game execution tended to fall apart and they’d end up getting taken out of their game : playing the opponents style, turning the ball over, sloppy execution, etc.
What we’re saying is this team this year is NOT falling apart in those same situations.
by eagleheart on Nov 19, 2009 6:21 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Ironic...
How Porter was supposed to be the guy to turn us into the Spurs…but then we decided we wanted to go back to Run & Gun through Alvin Gentry….now that we have Alvin Gentry, we have that Spur mentality.
It’s still early, but I think Gentry is a better coach than D’Antoni. Gentry holds players accountable, makes them develop and improve on their weaknesses, and utilizes the bench.
I am anxious to see how Lopez fits in once he’s back. An athletic hustle guy who can send big guys who can’t shoot freethrows to the line, block shots, rebound. We’ll need him against the Duncans, Garnetts, Bynums, Jeffersons, and Howards of the league.
Things are finally clicking and falling into place. December is going to be a very tough month for us…if we are going to go on a losing streak…December will be the month.
by DaMax85 on Nov 18, 2009 12:56 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I'm excited for the return of the RoLo too!
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
by Eutychus on Nov 18, 2009 1:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
eek rolo
I’m still not convinced he can fit in with this team.
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by PHXgp on Nov 18, 2009 5:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i'm still wary.
i need to see that he won’t just “send someone to their ass” or whatever shaq told them. yeah, it’s good to protect “your” paint, but fouling someone every time they get close to “your” rim is the sign of a terrible defender.
i’m going to go ahead and give shaq the benefit of the doubt, but maybe when he told that to lopez, it did more damage than it did good.
we’ll see, when he returns.
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by iamtrevorpaxton on Nov 19, 2009 1:11 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see what happens if ROLO does that to the Big Cactus. See how he feels then.
BTW, do we have an estimate for ROLO’s return.
by Suns Fan For Life on Nov 19, 2009 6:59 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm excited too!
Our bench is playing so well for us and has been a critical factor in this great start the team is having. Just imagine how much more effective we will be once Lopez comes back. We’ll have more versatility and options on any given night. He can come off the bench or start, depending on who we’re playing. As a matter of fact, I now like our front court much more than before the start of the season. We have more options now. Besides Frye and Lopez, Amare can play center and be effective against some teams that don’t have the 7-footers like Houston (and be effective is the operative phrase). And, Collins has added depth and more versatility to our front court. At the very least, he is six extra fouls. At best, he will do some rebounding, put up a few points and do some dirty work. He will protect Frye and Lopez and allow them to get some rest. Finally, Clark and Amundson can help out as well. And, everyone’s been grabbing rebounds so that’s been a pleasant addition to this season’s team. I’d like to see how we fare against the Lakers once Lopez returns and we make some adjustments from the first game. December should be a good test for us and an early indicator whether we can make a run this year.
Geo
by Galvara1022 on Nov 18, 2009 2:34 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
like gentry said.
we’ll have a good idea of this team at around 25 games in.
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by iamtrevorpaxton on Nov 19, 2009 1:12 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Look at Nash
in that picture. I mean, the dude is stone. Everyone else looks like they are doing the encouraging stance. Yeah they are focused, but mostly on team and communication and encouragement. Nash is stone. I wonder if this was right before he took some foul shots or what. All I know is if looks could kill..or win games…we would be undefeated.
Go read a book!
by N8lol on Nov 18, 2009 2:45 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
What about those two losses?
Those two losses made me nervous, though. It’s not that they were losses; it’s that they were both blowouts. The Orlando loss suggests that a team with enough size in the paint can dominate the Suns. Since I heard from someone (here?—I don’t remember) that the Suns probably gave the Fakers too much respect, I am supposing that as mentally tough as these Suns are, the Fakers are tougher (and slimier, but that’s another issue), tough enough to laugh off the Suns—without Pau Gasol.
by species8473 on Nov 18, 2009 4:17 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Keep in mind:
In both games, none of the starters played more than 25 minutes. If Gentry kept all the starters out there for their usual 35 minutes or so, I’m sure they could have closed the gap. But Gentry felt it was more important to rest the guys than close a game in a game that was lost.
Also … second game of a back-to-back, on the road, in the midst of a hellishly long road trip.
by jburning on Nov 18, 2009 4:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
True Statement.
The back-to-back thing makes a huge difference. Remember LA rolling into Denver the night after they beat us, only to be blown out and held to a pathetic 79 points?
by DaMax85 on Nov 18, 2009 7:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 18, 2009 5:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Weeellll…I guess if he wants to play the Spurs’ game—not try extremely hard during the regular season, because no one needs to win 82 games—that’s fine with me. I’m always thinking that a team that wins a championship from an eighth seed would be as good as an 82-0 team that swept every playoff opponent. Not that these Suns will probably get an eighth seed.
by species8473 on Nov 18, 2009 4:25 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Really enjoying Suns BB this year
Dudley is rapidly becoming one of my favorite players,please in the name of all that is good and decent win the Pacific Div.,please
by southern oregon on Nov 18, 2009 4:27 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
we will do our best
you can count on that
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by PHXgp on Nov 18, 2009 5:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
also, we need to be prepared for the future
I’m not saying that we’re going to have a mid season meltdown or anything, but no team can stay AS hot as we are now. We’re rolling and taking advantage, which is great, but there will be times during the season when the championship caliburality of our team will be in question. It’s during those times that we need to see a team who isn’t willing to give up.
Personally, I look to Gentry’s 25-game benchmark to see how we are doing.
I’m along for the ride and I’m loving it so far.
p.s. still worried about Robin Lopez. I think he should be doing footwork drills and sprints ALL DAY. That guy is gonna have trouble keeping up, and moving fast enough on defense to get to the ball or get to a position.
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by PHXgp on Nov 18, 2009 5:50 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Good thing about Lopez...
Is that we don’t DESPERATELY need him at the moment. Expect him to come in and play low minutes for a while until he can integrate effectively. He’s not going to HURT our team…he’ll either be a non-factor, or big a big help.
by DaMax85 on Nov 18, 2009 6:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
thats probably accurate
I just don’t want us to get hung up on him as our go to guy anytime soon…
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by PHXgp on Nov 18, 2009 9:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Best case / worst case for Lopez is this:
Worst case scenario: Lopez fouls out in 5 minutes. Best case: Contributes meaningful hustle minutes.
by eagleheart on Nov 19, 2009 6:23 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
And are you sure he isn’t? They don’t have to tell the public everything.
by species8473 on Nov 19, 2009 2:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Cautiously optomistic
The trust Gentry portrays with the bench is huge. Guys will make mistakes and Gentry rides out the players, doesn’t yank them at the first mistake on the floor.
It also sounds that Gentry is being heard and the players are responding. Porter never had the ears and hearts of these players.
I am anxious to see the Suns play the Spurs, Mav’s, Jazz and Trailblazers, then we will get a feel where this team fits in the West.
This team reminds me of the 1976 squad, just a bunch of guys who had fun playing together, mix of youth and vets, lead by a great guard, Westphal/Nash.
by Grockcubs on Nov 18, 2009 10:49 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I loved that 76 team
They passed very well, and the rebounding was as solid as you could get with 2 6’6" forwards. This team is better, though. The offense ran through Alvan Adams. The team did not come together until after Gar Heard joined the team.
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by Hawk42 on Nov 19, 2009 11:51 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Westphal
What was Westphal like as a point guard? I have the impression that he scored more and passed less than Nash.
by species8473 on Nov 19, 2009 2:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Westphal
was a slashing guard who took the ball to the hole. They used Sobers a lot that year at the point even though Westphal had more assists. Westphal could get to the line. No 3 point shots in 1976. I just remember him going full speed all the time, just relentless.
by Grockcubs on Nov 19, 2009 9:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate not having enough time to write well...
sorry guys. This one sucked in the word sense…
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 18, 2009 11:05 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
no worries!
thanks for the post.
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by PHXgp on Nov 19, 2009 6:15 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
No matter what
just hope that we don’t let our guards down tmr against NO… they’ve beat Clippers without CP3!
by paulimer on Nov 19, 2009 1:34 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
keep in mind, the clippers AREN'T that good.
they’re not that bad, either…but it’s not like they went out and thrashed the nuggets without CP3.
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by iamtrevorpaxton on Nov 19, 2009 8:59 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
"...mentally tough and resilient than any of the earlier Nash-era teams." I disagree.
Yes, we’ve come back and won games from double digit deficits multiple times, but we shouldn’t have been in that position in the first place, especially against inferior competition. Aside from Miami and Orlando, we do not have a win against a winning team(if I looked at the schedule correctly). To me, the fact that we trail in double digits and then come back isn’t something we should be ‘woohoo!’ about. We should be ‘woohoo!’ about the comeback, but “this is not good” about the fact that we fall behind to bad teams in the first place.
Secondly, that 05/06 team showed the most heart and resilience out of any Nash era team IMO. No Amare, no KT for the playoffs, no Raja for that series, plugged in new players and made it work, came back from 3-1, battled through two 7 game series….I don’t see how we can anoint this team yet when they’ve only played 12 games after the kind of season we saw that other Suns team go through.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Nov 19, 2009 9:18 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Boston too!
And of course, they can only play the games that are on the schedule. They’ll get to play the teeth of the Western Conference soon enough.
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by Mike Lisboa on Nov 19, 2009 3:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, can't believe I forgot about Boston
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Nov 19, 2009 7:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good points......
Let’s not overlook our competition in the West. Portland just got done winning 4 out of 5
on the road. Granted, they played some subpar teams, but nonetheless, 4 out of 5 on the road is good anywhere, anytime. I don’t think this team is a fake however — the Boston and Philly wins convinced me of that. But I think we need to Win a couple of ROAD GAMES against this group: Lakers, Spurs or Mavs or Blazers for me to feel really good. You can throw Utah in there as well since they are so tough at home. If we can win 3 out of 5 against those squad on the road, (first meeting with each on road but 2nd meeting with LA) then I’ll be convinced. Needless to say, I think the most important team to beat is the LAKERS. I said it in my fanpost and stand by it — we need to do everything in our power to Win the Pacific Division. It has to be our driving force and motivation. Everything depends on that. I do not think this team will be able to go far in the postseason as a third, fourth or fifth seed — just my feeling. We have to establish ourselves as top flight in the regular season and then secure home court.
All this is not to say that would guarantee us anything, but, to have a legitimate chance we have to Win the West.
by Jack Frost on Nov 19, 2009 9:38 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
To what about those 2 losses
First of all I don’t dis any team. The so called Fakers are world champs. Did they fake their way to the title. Now if I were a Suns fan I would hate the Lakers too. I understand your frustration. The Lakers won 15 championships and the Suns none. I am not in your shoes so I don’t know how you feel. I moved from L.A. to Utah in 2005. If I wear my Lakers hat, t-shirt, or sweatshirt around here I get nasty looks and nasty comments. I don’t dis the Jazz. If I did, I probably would get mugged. True, the Suns have the best record in the league. I just don’t see them getting past the Lakers in the playoffs. The Lakers are to long for the Suns to handle. The Suns have a good solid team especially after picking up Richardson and getting rid of Shaq. The Lakers are a bad matchup for the Suns. Bynum, Gasol and Odom are simply to tall for the Suns to match up against. And then there’s Kobe. You don’t have anyone who can guard him as much as most teams in the league can’t guard him either. No one expected the suns to be this good, but come playoff time I don’t think the Suns can beat the Lakers even with home court advantage. You lost to New Orleans who are having a bad year. The truly great teams don’t loose games like that very often. You did beat Boston on the road. Great win for you. Enjoy the ride.`You never know what can happen in this league. Players get hurt.`This might open a door for the Suns but as long as the Lakers stay healthy I don’t think the Suns can beat them in the playoffs.
by jdcrosier on Nov 23, 2009 1:01 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

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