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Louis Amundson had a great defensive game for the Suns finishing with 8 rebounds, 2 blocks and a steal and the Suns were a +14 during his time on the floor. (Photo by Max Simbron)

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Louis Amundson had a great defensive game for the Suns finishing with 8 rebounds, 2 blocks and a steal and the Suns were a +14 during his time on the floor. (Photo by Max Simbron)

Tonight, the Suns used a balanced, dominating attack to defeat the road weary Detroit Pistons.The Suns controlled the game in virtually every category tonight-they defended, they rebounded, they made shots, they even looked respectable from the free throw line.

The Suns started hot, at one point shooting over 80% midway through the first quarter (9-11). Still, the Pistons hung around, keeping things close until the Suns bench took over in the second, extending the lead to 10.

This one was a sleeper, a pleasant sleeper mind you, from the third quarter on. The Suns played well on both ends of the floor and Detroit quickly discovered they were tired. Ben Gordon and Rodney Stuckey were non factors as the Suns held Gordon to 10 points and Stuckey to 8. The two combined for 7-26 from the floor.

Star-divide

The Suns were led in scoring by Amare Stoudemire with 21 points.  Steve Nash had 20 points and 9 assists. Jason Richardson finished with 17 points to lead the Suns in scoring.

Some other items of interest:

  • The Suns shot  57.9% from the field (11-19) in the first quarter, holding the Pistons to 41.7% (10-24), led by Nash and Stoudemire with 6 points and 7 points respectively. The Suns led 29-26.
  • Leandro Barbosa and Goran Dragic led the Suns to a 10 point lead in the second quarter. Dragic looked like his normal, 2009 self, driving the ball to the rim and hitting a three. The Suns starters returned with 6.20 left in the second and extended the lead to 16 as the Pistons appeared to wear down.
  • Amare Stoudemire was T-'d up for the first time this season after a missed shot. Honestly, I haven't seen Amare that pissed in a while, ripping of his glasses and screaming at the official as he jogged back down the floor. Gotta admit, I liked it.
  • The Suns shot 11-18 from three point range (61%)
  • At 11-3, the Suns are tied for the best record in the NBA with Atlanta and Orlando.
  • The Suns are one of only three teams in the NBA undefeated at home (5-0)
  • This year's Suns are only the 4th team in franchise in history  to open the season with 14 consecutive 100-point games. The Suns are the only team in the league to score 100 points in every game this season.
  • The sends held a solid rebounding lead throughout the game. Don't let the end statistics fool you: Detroit 39 rebounds, Suns 38. Let's remember the most minutes any of the starters played was 30. At the end of the first half, the Suns led the Pistons 22-13 in rebounds.

Post Game Quotes:

Alvin Gentry:

On the Game:

"It was a good win. They're all good wins, but we played a tired team.  I think we did a good job of trying to jump on them early."

On Goran Dagic's performance:

"Goran did a really really good job tonight. He was really aggressive and obviously he shot the ball well."

On Steve Nash:

"Steve was a little more aggressive with his shot tonight...Steve knows, he knows what we need...I think he has a feel for when we need him to step up and be more aggressive."

Amare Stoudemire:

"I'm slowly getting myself back into a rhythm. It's improving as a team we're playing well enough to get these wins. Just want to continue to grow and keep getting better

"I got a little upset in the heat of the moment."

Jared Dudley:

On the New Orleans loss: "It was a tough loss, it should not have happened." 

Goran Dragic:

On playing the 2 next to Steve Nash tonight: "It was my first game with Steve, it was a really nice feeling. It's really awesome. It was my Dream to play with him on the same team."


Next up, Memphis comes to town on Wednesday, 7 P.M.

FINAL - 11.22.20091234TOTAL
Detroit Pistons 26 16 21 28 91
Phoenix Suns 29 29 26 33 117

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[Note by Phoenix Stan, 11/23/09 7:24 AM MST ]

The first quarter of this game was by no means something to write home and tell your mamma about. The Suns after looking good with a quick 9 point lead out of the gates ended up give up a 16-4 run and were down 3 and forced to call a time out.

That gets forgotten in the blowout win but it was not exactly a shinning point of goodness in what was otherwise a romp. The entire first quarter felt lethargic as if both teams were playing with concrete shoes and were racing to see who would be swimming with the fishes first.

Fortunately, the Suns bench came in at the start of the second period and went on a 10-3 run in the first 3 minutes behind the defensive energy of Lou, the steady leadership of Goran (that's right. I said it) and 6 points (3-3) from Barbosa proving me right in naming him the PPOG.

Grant Hill said this about the clean-shaved Lou and his bench mates, "The bench has been great for us all season. You see the confidence. Goran's shooting the ball extremely well. He's running the show. Leandro and Jared are doing a great job. Lou I thought defensively, that's as good as I've seen him in awhile."

Then around the 6 minute mark Gentry replaced his best line up with those scrubs - Nash, Richardson and Stoudemire - and they promptly turned a 10 point Suns lead into a 4 point lead.

The turnaround from that point was ignited by (another) awesome Steve Nash sidearm pass from the baseline in traffic to a wide-open Jason Richardson at the top of the arc. Swish. Three points and the score was 49-42 with about 5 minutes to go in the half.

Phoenix would then proceed to lock down the tired Pistons team with great rotations. Detroit doesn't move the ball well on a good night so collapsing and trapping their ball handlers was a very effective strategy. The Pistons wouldn't score again for the entire half and finished the period with only 16 points on 7 of 20 shooting.

That is stone cold lock-down D right there.

The most interesting lineup of the game also came during this stretch when Gentry responded to the Pistons with the three guard unit of Nash, Richardson and Dragic along with Stoudemire and Frye. The mobility of that unit combined with all those ball handlers and shooters was a +7 and helped Goran have a team high +19 on the night.

Richardson said this about playing with Nash and Dragic, "It's definitely offensive punch. You've got two point guards out there that can pass the ball and can score...I don't know if it's a lineup we will use all the time but it was fun to see the three of us on the court at the same time."

While the Pistons often run three guards at the same time, in this stretch where Phoenix went small they actually had gone the other way and were playing Wallace, Jerebko, Villanueva, Summers and Chucky Atkins.

It was good win as far as any win is good and it was nice to see the Suns take care of business against an undermanned and tired Detroit team but overall I wasn't too impressed with this one. Just another "W" in the "W" column. Time to move on and not get complacent before Wednesday's game against the Iranian National Team Memphis Grizzlies.

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I feel super smart, ragging on Amare and all in the game thread

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Nov 23, 2009 12:31 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Just finished watching the game on DVR

It was nice seeing them win in a walk.

Random thoughts:

1) Anyone see Earl Clark bring the ball up on one play, drive and dish on the next then bury a jumper on the third? Granted it was garbage time, but kid can ball. When the time comes, I think he’ll grow through some Dragic-like growing pains, but he’ll deliver in a big way eventually.

2) I’m going to stir the pot and say Barbosa is increasingly looking like the odd man out in the Suns’ rotation. It’s almost like the increasingly smart play of the rest of the team is exposing a basketball IQ that might be… lacking? I’m not calling him a bad or dumb player, just the unfortunate C student in a class full of curve wreckers.

3) I lost count, but 4 or 5 of Amare’s 9 makes were dunks. That helps a fella’s shooting percentage.

4) Jared Dudley: 2-7, 0 rebounds. Can we cut him already? I mean, wasn’t it obvious he was holding this team back and was the reason the Suns didn’t win by 35? After he missed 3 shots, why did he bother taking the other 2? And couldn’t he at least crash the boards if he was going to shoot 29% from the field? After that performance the Suns should send him to Iowa instead of Taylor Griffin.

5) The Dragic one-arm crosscourt/wraparound pass: Steve Nash has to be teaching him this in practice. He tried one with Dudley a few weeks ago and Dudley was out of position (because, as I think I just demonstrated in my last point, based on tonight’s performance, Jared Dudley is completely unreliable and we should immediate commence with the trade scenarios involving him and lambast Steve Kerr for keeping him on the roster) and not expecting it. Tonight, Dragic pulled it off twice, hitting teammates for wide open shots. Every time Steve Nash makes this pass, announcers inevitably say, “Only 3 players in the league could make that pass.” Get ready to make it 4.

6) Only 3 games in 7 days? And 2 of them are at home? This is the Phoenix Suns’ early season schedule we’re talking about, right?

7) Bad Stat of the Night: After giving up 25 offensive rebounds to the Hornets, the Suns allowed the Pistons to collect 17 o-boards tonight. Good teams (or, apparently, the CP3-less Hornets) will make them pay for this kind of play.

8) 57.5% FG shooting, 61.1% FG shooting, 88% FT shooting (22-25!). Yeah, probably gonna take more than a handful of offensive rebounds to overcome that kind of offensive efficency.

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by Mike Lisboa on Nov 23, 2009 12:44 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

great analysis

but based on the announcers it seemed like barbosa was hitting plenty of money shots and was playing aggressively (without fear for his wrists, I presume). what in particular makes you think that LB is having a tough time with this team?

by yanyanman2 on Nov 23, 2009 3:48 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

*Correction

Dragic tried the one-arm crosscourt pass with Dudley a few games ago, not a few weeks ago. But Dudley was still out of position because, well, I think I already covered that. No use beating a dead horse.

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by Mike Lisboa on Nov 23, 2009 6:40 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

HAHA.

I like the Dudley / STAT bashing comparison. Nice little egg there.

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on Nov 23, 2009 8:03 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Great points

LB and Dudley are totally worthless.

Let’s see if we can lure the Knicks into giving us Eddy Curry for those two.

Grant Hill is totally the next MJ!!

by gadogry on Nov 23, 2009 8:14 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

In all seriousness though

I actually already felt that LB was the odd man out since the JRich trade last season. He went from a super sub (~30-32 mins a game) to a regular sub (~20-24 mins a game). Hill and JRich need their mins and none of them can play the 4, so there aren’t many mins at backup 2. And we need to give Dragic some backup mins at the 1. And there are only so many minutes to go around.

LB played quite well in the 2 games JRich was suspended. So I really think his relative struggle/lack of production is more due to the amount of minutes he’s getting.

Grant Hill is totally the next MJ!!

by gadogry on Nov 23, 2009 8:18 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you guys serious?

Dudley is worthless? Guess 1 game changes the fact that he’s the team’s #1 chemistry guy, best effort/intensity guy (next to Amundson) and a very good outside shooter??

Ready to dump on LB? Dude, is hurt. Failure to recognize and accept this and forget when healthy he’s a top flite/game changing offensive talent?

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by RedHopeful on Nov 23, 2009 10:26 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

no

they’re not serious. he’s making a comparison on how amar’e is treated ’round thisyere parts, pardner.

Libertarianism is just Anarchy for rich people

by Murcy on Nov 23, 2009 10:48 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

And Frye!

Seeing as Channing at least had the decency to pull down 10 boards on his off shooting night against New Orleans.

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by Mike Lisboa on Nov 23, 2009 11:10 AM MST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

We disagree on one thing and I’m already getting the sarcastic post from you?

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Nov 23, 2009 5:35 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Would the team's #1...

…chemistry guy keep jacking up shots even though he was obviously having an off night? And if he’s not going to make his shots, can’t he at least show some of his so-called hustle (which, face it, is just code for making routine plays look hard…) and get a rebound or two? Sorry, it’s obvious Charlotte threw him in with J-Rich to say good riddance to bad rubbish.

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by Mike Lisboa on Nov 23, 2009 10:51 AM MST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Bologna

Dudley’s hustle is in no way a code for making easy plays look hard. Look, the guy isn’t great out there and clearly had an off night, but you have to recognize the guys has heart. He is always the first down the court, the guys diving for a loose ball, and the guy with his hands up on D. Give me a break, cutting him is a joke. And if you think Charlotte just wanted to say good riddance to bad rubbish I say one mans trash is another mans treasure

by Tucker Max on Nov 23, 2009 12:37 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Mike is just being a grouch

ignore him…he’s being sarcastic

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by Seth Pollack on Nov 23, 2009 12:47 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair

I’m from Wisconsin, we don;t pick up on Sarcasm well haha

by Tucker Max on Nov 23, 2009 12:50 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't ignore me!

I’m not being a grouch either. I just wanted to make a point of how ridiculous the “one bad game” bashing of the team’s stars has been.

And I knew suggesting Jared Dudley was anything less than the mostest try-hardest get-it-donest player in the universe would touch a nerve.

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by Mike Lisboa on Nov 23, 2009 1:11 PM MST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I appreciated it Mike.

Gave me a good laugh. However, it is true. The bashing is crazy around here this season. Everybody is on edge ready to jump off the cliff so to speak lol.

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on Nov 23, 2009 1:15 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

what's that?

did you say something?

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by Seth Pollack on Nov 23, 2009 1:38 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I for one

… Find it hysterically funny. I sure love mockery.

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on Nov 23, 2009 1:05 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Congrats for the win

Congratulations for the win. What a way to bounce back after a humiliating loss to the CP3-less hornets. Alvin Gentry is the man for the job.

I’m glad we went 22 for 25 at the free throw line in this game, where surprisingly before (with the starting line-up we have) we are one of the worst free throw shooting teams in the NBA averaging only about 60%

Just don’t like the way AP sportswriters cover our ballgames. Why instead of giving due credit to the suns, they are mentioning that our team beat a tired detroit team who had to face us at home in a back-to-back at the end of their rugged road trip and they are without hamilton and prince.

But we have to understand that back-to-backs and injuries are already part of the NBA. Can’t take away their bias huh?

check this link:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2009112221

by marlon alexander l on Nov 23, 2009 3:21 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

wow
Dragic looked like his normal, 2009 self, driving the ball to the rim and hitting a three.

that must have been real hard to do!
great win, I’m really pleased… and yeah, the pistons lost again on sunday. as usual. and really: I can see us keeping this up. before the season I predicted 4th place in the west (behind lakers, nuggets and dallas) but now I see these 4 teams as pretty much interchangeable. yeah, the lakers seem better than everybody. yet they might not be. go suns!

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by Murcy on Nov 23, 2009 3:36 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Great game by the Suns

And in this case, a win is not just a win. We needed a rout. I’d not have been happy if the Suns went through the motions for 3 Qs, kinda turned it up in the 4th and eeked out a 5 point win.

Also, I like this line from Coro’s game recap:

[Stoudemire] said he regretted not opting for his jump shot against the Lakers

Good to see Amare and Gentry coming full circle!

Grant Hill is totally the next MJ!!

by gadogry on Nov 23, 2009 8:25 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Although I don't want Amare feuding with Gentry.......

I think he’s right. Or at least more right. If all they are giving him is the jump shot he should take it, but we need Amare driving and taking the ball to the basket. YOU NEED INSIDE SCORING TO BE A SUCCESSFUL/WINNING TEAM. I really don’t get where Gentry is coming from on this one; If Amare doesn’t provide us with points in the paint, then who will? Certainly not Frye,or Hill. On rare occassion JRich will go inside. We need Amare to score in the paint. Period.

by Jack Frost on Nov 23, 2009 10:36 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

There is no unwritten or written rule

that you must score in certain parts of the floor. I think Gentry’s approach is and always has been to take what the defense gives you. That’s why we’ve seen such a varied attack and such an arsenal of weapons already this season. A less than 100% Amare against an oversized and overpowering Laker front court is a recipe for failure in the paint. They were giving him the open looks at mid-range and Amare wasn’t taking them. He should have taken the open looks – made the Lakers bigs respect the mid-range and maybe he could have had easier baskets at the rim. Though I do remember Amare just flat out whiffed a lot of good clean looks at the rim.

Take what the defense gives you. Especially if they’re planting wooley-mammoths under the basket

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Nov 23, 2009 11:20 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

The whole idea is to give the opposing team something to think about next time up the floor. If Amare comes down and hits 3 consecutive 15 footers on the 3 consecutive trips, then it gives the defenders the choice of continuing to clog the paint and hope he misses or step out of him…which of course is a win-win for amare since he can hit those all day.

 Gentry knows what he’s doing here..I’m glad amare eventually saw the point of that…

by Fritzy on Nov 23, 2009 11:32 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, in regards specifically to the Laker game I can see it, BUT, in general

I think it helps us more with him scoring inside. Certainly, if a team like the Lakers is determined to take away the short shots in the paint, then you HAVE to take those mid-range jumpers. BUT as soon as they leak out then I think you need to attack, not only to draw fouls on the bigs, but simply because layups and dunks are much higher % shots.

And neither one of you addressed my main point: if Amare is not scoring underneath who will? I think this question will come up again the more top flight teams we play. Right now we are capable of beating Detroit, Houston (withou Yao) and other relatively small teams, but when we play tougher teams just sitting out at the three pt line all night is going to get you beat. In fact, I know Gentry is telling Frye to take those open 3’s etc, but don’t you guys think it would behoove us to have more looks for him inside. Post him up more etc?

by Jack Frost on Nov 23, 2009 2:18 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I don't disagree with a word you said...

I think we were reacting to, and amare was referring to, that specific match up on that particular night. I don’t think Gentry, Amare or humble bright siders Eutychus and Fritzy would dispute that going inside is generally a good idea for Amare (and to a lesser extent Frye), all things being equal…

by Fritzy on Nov 23, 2009 2:46 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

yup yup

Amare is at his best when he’s explosive and thrashing inside the paint – no doubt.

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Nov 23, 2009 3:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

RoLo to the RESCUE!!!

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Nov 23, 2009 3:50 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

FTW!

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Nov 23, 2009 3:50 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Nov 23, 2009 3:50 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice

Robin practiced today w/ the 5 other bench guys. He was a bit…over zealous. One observer described him as “psycho”

It’s a good sign that he’s anxious to get back out there and mix it up but don’t expect him to come in an big the “savior” either.

He might but probably won’t play Wednesday. Most likely according to Gentry he will be activated on the road trip and work his way back into the rotation. He’s still only practiced 3 times since training camp so expect him to need some more time to get back into game shape, etc.

It was nice to seem him so motivated though…even if he was a bit nuts

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by Seth Pollack on Nov 23, 2009 5:02 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Sideshow Rob?

That kid reads so many comic books… maybe he’s just really getting into character, you know, to live up to the Sideshow Rob nickname and be a crazy man on the court who puts creepy fear into the kidneys of his opponents… Probably not though! haha.

While I hope to see Dragic-like development from RoLo this year (he gets a lil’ curve like STAT now b/c of the injury) – if he can at least slow down a bit some of the Big C’s in the game and make a few shots with power and fury in the paint to me he will be a success! I’m pulling for the kid.

Btw – In Coro’s article he mentioned the same thing about practice – that RoLo ‘lost his temper’ or something – were you there? What happened? Did he get pissed at how physical Collins was getting with him? Did he punch somebody? He left it wide open for my overactive imagination…

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Nov 23, 2009 9:34 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing like that

Just a bit too intense for practice

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by Seth Pollack on Nov 23, 2009 10:51 PM MST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

And actually, the more I think about it there is more to it

than just that inside shots (layups, baby hooks, dunks) are higher %.. It is also about an attitude. You want to be aggressive both physically in your style of play, as well as mentally and emotionally. Typically, you don’t think of jump shooting teams as being “aggressive”.

When Amare takes it to the hole and jams it over you, well that is being aggressive. I think those kinds of plays tend to fire up your teammates more and actually translate to better, more aggressive play on the defensive end. Just look at the average NBA bench after one of their teammates throws down a dunk over an oppponent and you’ll see what I mean. I know that the Suns are primarily a jump shooting team, but Amare, is more than that. Alot more. And we need him to be that aggressive, attacking player — in my humble opinion. No disrespect to coach Gentry, who I think is a fine, fine coach.

In that Laker game Amare was simply not finishing at the basket. Perhaps if he had coach Gentry wouldn’t have been in Amare’s ear so much. But, even if a player like Bynum blocks one of our shots, I think we have to go right back at him. He WILL eventually foul, and more importantly it establishes us as the aggressor and says that we will not be intimidated and will not back down.

by Jack Frost on Nov 23, 2009 3:15 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

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