The Most Tradable Sun: Leandro Barbosa
Before you sharpen your pitch folks and come at me with your virtual rotten tomatoes, know this:
I DO NOT THINK THE SUNS SHOULD TRADE LEANDRO OR ANYONE ELSE FOR THAT MATTER
I hate mid-season trades for teams that are winning and especially for the Suns that have seen so much turmoil over the past two years. The last thing the Suns need right now is locker room disruption.
So consider this an exercise in relative player valuation and pure fantasy GM wankery.
Leandro Barbosa's usage is down this season for two obvious reasons. Jason Richardson and Goran Dragic.
LB is averaging only 21.4 minutes per game which happens to be exactly how much he played his rookie season in 2003/04. If you take out the two games he started in place of the suspended Jason Richardson his floor time drops even further to 17.8 mpg which approaches his career low.
When he is on the court Leandro is doing exactly what he's always done. His shooting percentages are right at his career averages (FG% .480; 3P% .406) and he's pushing the tempo and attacking the rim.
Unfortunately for Barbosa, he's not getting the time backing up both guard positions in a 3 man back court rotation as he had in years past. Dragic has started the season where he ended his rookie campaign and is looking like he's a solid backup point guard.
Comparing the two Dragic is a better defensive player, better rebounder and in five fewer minutes per game is averaging 1.3 more assists. While Leandro is clearly more explosive scorer of the two, Dragic is looking to be the better all around player with a much better feel for running the team and finding his teammates.
At the shooting guard position, Leandro's size has always been a liability on the defensive end and his relatively poor rebounding and play-making make him a much lesser player than Jason Richardson and a questionable starter for any team in the league.
Leandro will make $6.6m this season, $7.1m next season and has a player option for $7.6m in 2011/12.
Given his reduced role for the Suns one has to wonder if there's not an opportunity to move him to a team like Minnesota that desperately needs bench scoring.
A combination of Ryan Hollis and Wayne Ellington would match salaries and give the Suns some front court depth and an interesting young two guard who could split time with Alando Tucker behind Richardson. If the Suns could get back a 2010 1st round draft pick as well then this is a deal you have to seriously consider.
That is if I were even considering a trade at this point in the season. Which I am most certainly not....unless the Suns could get that Timberwolves 1st round pick (or maybe the rights to Ricky Rubio?)
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no. just no. leandro is better than dragic…let that fucker go.
by kuato lives on Nov 23, 2009 11:05 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
A wankerdom comment at it's finest.
way to contribute.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
All emotional attachments aside...
…I think this is a great idea (if we were looking to make a trade, that is). As I ranted in a previous game thread, Barbosa is becoming a one-dimensional, put-your-head-down-and-drive-to-the-basket-right-away-type player nowadays. Yes, he’s got blazing speed; yes, he can score; and yes, he’s got a great attitude. But if you’re looking at a deal where you could get young talent and a 2010 first-rounder for him (like the Min. trade mentioned above), go ahead and do it. It’s not like this type of offense – even as it pertains to the second unit – would take a huge dip, or any at all, scoring-wise.
Good call.
With the current roster, LB is the most moveable piece. We all know how this business is and come time of the All Star break some teams get desperate to try and save face for the season. I would hate to see LB go, I would be worried as all hell about the chemistry of the team. But, why would you keep a bird locked up in a cage when it can fly. LB is not being used for his full potential. If the team can get something like young talent and a 2010 pick, than it could be good for the future.
Keep in mind, losing Diaw last year when Stat when out. I think all of us said ughhh why did we have to get rid of Diaw. You can never cound injuries, sometimes they happen and sometimes they don’t.
Also I would hate to have to be the one to tell LB he got traded. It would be like telling Travis that Old Yellar has rabies and he needs to be put down. The alligator tears would be huge.
by Gorilla Game on Nov 23, 2009 1:25 PM MST up reply actions
yeah, that'd be tough
“Last season, Barbosa was the subject of a prank when he got a call in his Los Angeles hotel room saying he had been traded to the Knicks. Barbosa reportedly was in tears before learning it was a hoax.”
I don’t think the Suns want to trade anyone away at this moment, given the success they have been having. If Leandro can adapt to his role, I think he stays. I don’t think he will be the type to start complaining about minutes. He knows he’s blessed to get paid to play this game and takes what he can get, as do most non-starters (Allen Iverson excepted). I don’t think the Suns could get anyone back right now that would be helpful given the depth and chemistry of our bench.
Leandro is JUST a scorer
and honestly, we have too many of those guys on our team (conversely, our hustle guys tend to be offensively weak. We need more balanced players).
But therein lies the problem: the rest of the league knows Barbosa is just a scorer. We won’t get anyone with too much upside for him, and we won’t get a stat filler unless we get a loose change for a dollar type trade.
I’d say stick with Barbosa for now unless we get someone that we could instantly plug in and would contribute across the board. I would love to see us get a big guard that could defend and rebound come off the bench with the hustle squad (Dudley and Lou). I’d say a big center, but we’re somewhat stacked there, mostly because Channing and Robin are both different types of players, so they cover the gamut.
Bottom line: we don’t have a spot in the starting lineup, so we’d be trading points for overall stats off the bench, which really isn’t a big part of the team, for now.
I say for now because I would move Barbosa in a heartbeat if we had an injury (Nash and Grant are old, Amare is injury prone). Goran isn’t ready to run the team, and if we reacquired Dan Dickau (aka The Equipment Manager, cause he looks like that should be his role on the team), we’re dead. Dudley is great but he’s a hustle off the bench guy. And until Lou can get a decent shot, he’s not gonna start anywhere.
So for now, let’s stay put. If someone gets injured, I’m moving Barbosa like stock in newspapers.
I concur, good sir
This is sort of what I was getting at when I mentioned LB as the Suns odd man out in the rotation in the recap comments.
It’s no knock on Barbosa. It just feels like his minutes are getting harder to come by, especially if AG is going to continue running out that wacky 3 guard lineup with Nash and Dragic sharing the floor.
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by Mike Lisboa on Nov 23, 2009 11:40 AM MST via mobile reply actions
I loved that lineup
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
I could see more of that in the future – with either
Nash – Dragic – Richardson
or
Nash – LB – Richardson
or
Nash – Dragic – LB
Now that would be a way to mix things up and get opposing teams all kinds of confused. I personally like the Nash/Dragic lineups with anybody else on the floor – Nash is one of the game’s all time greatest shooters and passers and Dragic is really showing everyone what being under the tutelage of a 2 – time MVP can do for your already above average court vision and passing skills.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
Thats my only issue with trading him...
I think Max touched on this a little, what happens if we drop richardson / dragic / nash ect…. as it stands now he isn’t hurting the team. But as a reserve if one of those shooters goes down we could be in real trouble. So if we trade him we have to remember our starting lineup isn’t made of steel. If we trade him it has to be somebody offensively that can produce in a more developed roll.
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Good post Stan
I love LB, nothing better when he gets going and scores in bunches. I like his full speed approach and it appears he is well liked and appreciated on the team.
That being said you make some real valid points to trade him. I believe what you see with LB is what your going to get. His time to improve and expand his game is over. I would love to see the Suns get in the first round this year. I think the Suns should entertain offers and if one is to good to turn down you have to make the deal. I have no idea who would want LB but I am sure there are teams out there who could use his services.
How about next year the Jazz get the Knicks No. 1, ouch.
One question:
Why are you talking about trade right now? Do you know something others don’t know?
nothing
This was more just random thinking after watching the Suns play a 3 guard line up and not include LB.
Been thinking about his reduced role and fewer minutes for a while.
Haven’t asked Suns about it b/c answer is obvious
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 23, 2009 1:56 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I would be heartbroken if we traded LB. He's our spirit animal!
With that being said, I agree with the basic premise of the post, which is that he is our most moveable piece. High production for what he’s being paid…
if we could get Rubio or Love I think you’d have to consider it, but not a fan of the proposed Minny trade as is.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
rubio schmubio
im betting $5 that this guy is gonna be waaay overrated. the media just got a hold of the kids story and ran with it, and everybody ate it up.
anybody remember goran pwning rubio 1 on 1 this summer?
haha spirit animal? Is that a Rob Dyrdek reference I smell!?
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
i can't believe how depressed reading that made me...
…although i was wondering a while ago if the nets would trade rafer alston and courtney lee for barbosa. We’d get Alston’s expiring and Lee who i’d absolutely love on the suns. The nets get barbosa and Harris in possibly the fastest starting backcourt in the nba, only problem would be if the nets considered LB worth losing 5mil of cap space for 2010.
If i’m honest though i’d still rather keep LB, and i reckon Kerr’s gonna be thinking the same.
I dunno if it’s the emotional attachment (being Brazilian and all that), but reading this post gave me a gut reaction of abject disgust and denial at the idea that Dragic could end up being the better fit for the Suns roster right now. But logically, it’s hard to argue with the premise of the article, considering Dragic’s upside and the current needs of the roster.
by thebraziliansir on Nov 23, 2009 3:25 PM MST up reply actions
I, too, agree with the premise of your post
As far as assets for trade LB fits the bill. His time on the court has lagged, both due to injury and also to the fine play of JRich. His contract is extremely reasonable. I just don’t know what we would get back for him
As much as I like Tucker, however, I haven’t (in limited minutes) seen anything from him that makes him a serviceable backup 2 guard. His shot is flat, he’s not explosive, and plus he’s not under contract for next year.
That being said, if we could get a 2 back in a trade or a 1st round draft pick where we could get another 2 (and plus another 4 or 5 in the trade) it would have to be considered.
That being said, I, despite being a grown man, would cry seeing LB go. I think as the year goes on, his time on-court will improve. I wonder how much of his early season struggles (even despite his injuries) are due to playing too much in the off-season…
But alas, I’m glad this is only a blog post, and not an actual occurrence, because I think at the end of the day, I would hate to see LB go. I still fondly remember his game winning shot against Chicago years ago, and hope he can return to that form….
level of play
really hasn’t slipped
I had expected to see that due to the wrist but his production is on-par for his career. His minutes are down which is why his raw numbers are down but he still shooting his same percentages.
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by Seth Pollack on Nov 23, 2009 2:35 PM MST up reply actions
I agree that statistically he’s performing on par with career averages, but more-so I was referring to the plays where he seems to make bad decisions (like on fast breaks and becoming a ball hog). I know he’s always been this way to an extent, but it seems more common this year. Perhaps I just hoped he would improve and not be “on par” with his career in these non-statistical ways. I think that in time, he’ll improve all of this, which is what i was trying to say regarding “returning to form”
by ArizonaCactus on Nov 23, 2009 3:05 PM MST up reply actions
Will Barbosa earn more time?
What’s different about this team is that now the role of the bench is energy, stops, hustle and attitude, not neccesarily scoring. That makes LB a less valuable cog in this machine. He still offers alot as a 6th man. That makes great trade potential.
This situation being obvious to Barbosa, it will be interesting to see how he responds.
Gentry talked about this today
it’s a good problem to have but he’s got quite a few guys that need to get minutes and Clark is barely getting any run and Lopez is coming back….
Just remember that anytime you think someone should get more minutes it means those minutes are coming from someone else.
Unless (until) there’s an injury.
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LB IS the injury.
Don’t forget that the guy is playing with a sub-par wrist.
Considering his affliction, Dragic is getting more burn.
I’d expect Dragic’s mins to go down as LB gets better.
All that being said, i’d love to snag Rubio :)
I hope
Dragic gets more time – and Steve Nash rests more. LB and Dragic need to develop the kind of on the court telepathy that LB and Nash have, and I think that feat lies more on the shoulders of the young Brazilian more than the Slovenian.
They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...
I could not possible disagree more
The fact is, Amare is the most tradable asset on the team. Why?
1. Barbosa is a rotation player. Amare is a star, like it or not, and many more teams would be willing to re-arrange their roster to get a star, rather than a role player.
2. Yes, Amare gets paid more, but obviously any team that trades for him would be able to talk extension with him before it gets done. Additionally, players get moved in contract years quite a bit. And there is no shortage of dumb contracts teams can unload to make the numbers equal.
3. The trade proposed in the post in unmitigatedly retarded. Call me a troll or whatever, but neither of those two players would even begin to crack our rotation, and neither has an upside above that of Barbosa. Additionally, The Wolves had to trade Foye and Miller two get a #1, both of whom are somewhat equal to Barbosa. No, Barbosa is definitely not the most trade-worthy Sun, where lack of equal talent or even interest makes any Barbosa trade worthless
By tradeable.
we mean that trading Barbosa isn’t going to (in theory) change the dynamic of our team. He is the most movable piece with least about of direct effect on how things work now. Amare does not meet those guidelines.
TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"
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TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"
Correct.
Amare would not get traded this year due to there winning ways. Barbosa being traded would be a win win for both teams involved. Gives them a ligitamet 2 guard and in return give us a few role players and a great pick for the future.
In a side note I think Amare will p/u his 17mil option for next yr cuz he is not playing as a max contract player at this pt in the season.
Interesting...
but let’s see how the team does in December. With our incredibly tough schedule up ahead, we should have a better idea of what our needs our or what who we can afford to move by the end of the year. Then, perhaps in early 2010 we can start contemplating any moves. Just a thought…
Geo
Hmmm...
I completly agree that he is(Barbosa) tradable. Thats not a bad statement to make and I feel that Barbosa’s value on this team has dramaticaly dropped this season. We could still win w/o him and his trade value would be respecfully high on the market.
Your right the Suns are not going to make a trade like this but its great to marinate on this fantasy GM opinion of yours. Great work!
Uhhh NO!!!
Leave well enough alone. I understand the conjecture, but for a team that is currently teetering on having the best record in the league, now is not the time to start playing monopoly and removing solid to major pieces of the team. Whatever happened to the need for a thing called DEPTH. It’s a long season and we’re a sprained ankle, tweaked knee or H1N1 diagnosis from needing Barbosa to log heavy minutes for a few games or few weeks. I follow the Tar Heels and so I’m a fan of Ellington. But if we wanted him, coulda drafted him. The first 7-8 players are solid, we have a good rotation. Right now, it ain’t broke…so everyone stop trying to fix it.


























