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Stoudemire is untradeable, and he should have been traded for Biedrins


Amare is untradeable and there is no way of trading him unless we trade him to a good team and them really good. The only place you could trade him is Goldenstate and he does not want to play there. The suns cannot possibly get rid of him without making the team a lot worse. I tried looking up a trade and I could not find any good options. I cannot see any trade occuring. You can try and I would like to see if you could come up with anything. I think you should have traded him to the Warriors when you had  the chance. I think you should have traded him for Andris and speedy Claxton. I will tell you why you swap Biedrins for Stoudemire.Biedrins is a great big that every great team needs. He rebounds, he plays hard, he blocks shots, he gets tip ins, and he is efficient. He also could run the pick and roll. What I was thinking was that the Suns could have had 2 bigs in frye and Biedrins who could run without giving up size and rebounding. Biedrins could with a point guard like Big Stevie Nash,(my nickname for my hero) the greatest pointguard today, score 13-14 easy. Channing Frye could play like a Dirk Nowitzki role shoot threes, make jumpers, block shots, and get rebounds. Biedrins is very underrated, but he is a very valuable player. he is very young too, and he will only get better, imagine what Steve Nash could do for him. The suns lineup would be very similar to the mavericks. except that they would still run.

You have the great passing pointguard Steve Nash who is way better than Kidd 

you having your scoring 2

Hill and marion are different but have similar roles: rebound, score if you are open, and do whatever to help the team.

then You have your shooting and rebounding 7' powerforwards. Frye is a poor mans dirk. He really is they are very similar in styles of play. I think Frye could avg 15, 8, and 1 or 2 blocks a night. he can contribute well if given the oppurtunity espescially with nash.

Then You have your centers who do the dirty work except biedrins is way better and smarter than any Dallas center

So lets compare

Nash            >       Kidd  Yous see similarities

JRICH      =        Howard

Hill             <          Marion

Frye            <         Dirk

Biedrins        >       Dampier

And I was wondering do you guys wish the Suns kept Ben, I kinda do because you could run him at center and Stoudemire at the pf. it would be cool

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You wish Suns traded Stoudemire for Biedrins
No we need Stoudemire
168 votes
Yes biedrins is a better fit
9 votes
I uhh just umm really like Chuck Norris
39 votes

216 votes | Poll has closed

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Frye couldn’t hold Nowitzki’s jock strap. Dirk gets his huge scoring games with the opponents defense centered on shutting him down. At the end of a game, you can give Dirk the ball and he can create his own game winning opportunity with everyone in the building knowing he’s the ball is going to him. Frye gets points because people leave him wide open because they are worried about the other players on the Suns and the other teams think we aren’t going to be successful with our Center out chucking threes. Frye cannot create his own offense, he has never, at least in the NBA, been “the man”. I am very doubtful that he can take anyone off the dribble since all the shots I’ve seen him make are set shots after a pass.

by eagleheart on Nov 25, 2009 1:12 AM MST reply actions  

Frye's offense

Channing is capable of taking it to the hole and has had a few nice drives from outside this season, but there is no way on earth anyone is going to confuse his offensive skill set for Dirk Nowitzki’s any time soon.

It’s just like you said: Dirk is capable of going for 40 on nights when the opposing team’s defense is keyed on shutting him down.

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by Mike Lisboa on Nov 25, 2009 1:26 AM MST up reply actions  

I am saying they have similar styles

not skills, but we could use him as a pop in shoot guy in the post or do pick/pop with him and nash

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by Mike Fox on Nov 26, 2009 1:12 AM MST up reply actions  

Except

At the end of a game, you can give Dirk the ball and he can create his own game winning opportunity with everyone in the building knowing he’s the ball is going to him.

The Finals against Miami (last 4 games) andthe 2007 first round against GS, arguably the most crucial 11 games in Mavericks history when Novitzki repeatedly choked and passed the ballaway rather than take his team home to victory.

I’m just sayin….

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by Hawk42 on Nov 25, 2009 7:23 AM MST up reply actions  

Choke

Yeah yeah… Yes Nowitzski has choked a few times, but at least he’s been there and got the t-shirt. He has experience as “the man” he has led his team far into the playoffs, never all the way to a title. And yes if you had Kobe, Lebron and Nowitzki on your team you would want Kobe or Lebron with the ball not Dirk though depending on the situation you might consider Dirk. If your team had Frye and Dirk, you’d want Dirk taking the shot.

by eagleheart on Nov 25, 2009 7:55 AM MST up reply actions  

no question

I still think the only thing keeping Nash/Dirk from a title was Nellie

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by Hawk42 on Nov 25, 2009 9:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Seriously

why is there any more talk about trading Amar’e??? he is playing good this season, rounding into form, playing harder than ever… Why on earth would we trade him? especially with Biedrins playing worse than last year

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by Murcy on Nov 25, 2009 7:23 AM MST reply actions  

especially for Biedrins

probably not even 1/4 the player Amare is.

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by Hawk42 on Nov 25, 2009 7:25 AM MST up reply actions  

you’re joking, right? amare is an offensive force, sure, but he’s a terrible defender and gets waxed on the boards by biedrins. an injured andris biedrins might not be a 1/4 the player amare is, but when healthy, he’s a damn fine player (with an even finer contract).

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by cap'n hack on Nov 25, 2009 6:21 PM MST up reply actions  

not joking

I’ve watched Biedrins. He can’t shoot past 3 feet, he is a foul machine, and can’t shoot free throws. Did Biedrins ever score 18 points in a quarter? If you asked real basketball people instead of fans, you would get a lot of laughs at your suggestion.

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by Hawk42 on Nov 26, 2009 9:42 AM MST up reply actions  

the fact that you’ve “watched” him doesn’t change that fact that you are missing how good he really is. he’s a limited, but very effective offensive player, an absolute beast on the boards and a far superior defender to amare. amare is better than biedrins because of his incredible offensive game, but if the you said i could have biedrins and his current contract or amare for the ungodly amount he’s asking for, i take biedrins happily.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Nov 26, 2009 4:39 PM MST up reply actions  

it's easy to be a beast on the boards

when the rest of your team bolts for the other hoop as soon as they’re sure the shot’s missed. it’s like david lee, the reason he’s an automatic double double machine is because no one on the knicks will go crash the boards.

i’m not knocking on biedrins. i think he’s a solid player. he’s got pretty good rebounding mechanics, he can score if he’s in the paint and it’s a relatively simple shot, and he seems to be a fairly smart player.

now, like hawk had mentioned earlier, he is a TERRIBLE free throw shooter. not exactly something you want to bring to the team that’s 26th in the league overall in that category (at least i think that’s where we are). for our team, yes, we have a lot of offensive weapons, but we need to have someone that we can give the ball to down low, let him do his thing and get an easy two, or head to the line and make the free throws. that’s amare stoudemire right there, folks. not andris biedrins.

i like biedrins, but not enough to bring him to the suns.

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by Trevor Paxton on Nov 28, 2009 12:17 AM MST up reply actions  

actually, rebounding rate statistics (where biedrins is so amazing) are among the most consistent stats in basketball. he’d be a beast on the boards wherever he went and i’ll say that with lots of confidence.

i don’t think he’s a good fit for the suns either, i’m just standing up for an underrated player receiving abuse to make an overrated player seem better than he actually is.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Nov 28, 2009 1:29 PM MST up reply actions  

i'm not saying he's a bad rebounder.

i just don’t think he’s as amazing of a rebounder as everyone says he is. if you threw another player who might actually care about rebounding into the mix, and biedrins’ numbers would likely dip a bit.

i completely agree that he’s an underrated player. just only underrated by a little bit.

the same goes for stoudemire, where i do think he’s a little overrated, he’s come down to earth in the eyes of a lot of people. everyone has been able to see that he seems to be disinterested with rebounding the ball so far this season, but when he wants to, he can basically give you an automatic 25/10 player. can you say that for biedrins?

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by Trevor Paxton on Nov 30, 2009 11:37 AM MST up reply actions  

i hate to be rude

but this post was just plain dumb…didnt make any sense at all….I think it is clear we are doing just fine the way we are….i would say they are overachieving a bit, but thats fine with me….Biedrins and Claxton for Stoudemire?…you must smoke crack….Biedrins and Frye in the same front court would only end our season faster than Shaq did….This team is set up perfectly for all parties involved….They have the shooters to run and gun again…J Rich has settled into a supporting role that suits him much better….Grant Hill looks 10 years younger….Nash is on his way to at least SOME MVP discussion….I dont think Frye has any complaints right now and Stoudemire is the first option like he has always wanted to be….AND they are able to give that bench and young players plenty of PT…..I dont things could be much better for the Suns right now….So I’m sorry but this post was both pointless and unnecessary….Wait til the off season for nonsense like this….That is when we will have to figure Amare out…just enjoy the show for now…

by NSU Stud on Nov 25, 2009 5:45 PM MST reply actions  

My point was

that it seems very unlikely stoudemire would resign, and once he leaves there isn’t much of a success rate, so why not trade him for a young guy who can run and gun while playing terrific defense and rebounding. biedrins is great at pick and roll offense, and you could work the pick and pop with frye. he also has great hands. he is young, and his offensive game will only improve. The Suns are great, but how long would they be capable of this success. Which is why I think we could run a more consistent better rebounding and defensive Dallas style of play while still being able to run.

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by Mike Fox on Nov 26, 2009 1:23 AM MST reply actions  

Normally I’d vote for this trade but let’s wait until January if Amare will be consistent on his commitment to defense and if he could go back to at least 8 rebounds per game average. If we could get GS to include a 1st round pick(2010) and Anthony Randolph then by all means do this.

by Spit_Fire on Nov 26, 2009 2:00 AM MST up reply actions  

holy cow, are we talking...

biedrins, randolph, and a first round pick in 2010?

hell, i might even make that trade now. the problem with randolph is that he’s playing under don nelson. that kid could be taking the league by storm, if given consistent minutes and a sign from management that they believe in him.

sure, he’ll play 33 minutes one game, then he’ll play 7 the next. what kind of message is that sending to one of the most (potentially) talented players on your team?

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by Trevor Paxton on Nov 28, 2009 12:20 AM MST up reply actions  

why are we even talking about this anymore

Amare won’t resign with Golden State so this thread is moot. Yes, we could do a lot worse than the proposed draft day trade but that is past history and won’t happen.

As long as we are 12-3 there will be no talk of trading Amare.

by bradley281 on Nov 26, 2009 9:22 AM MST reply actions  

Of course

a Warrior fan would write something like…

Plus, if Biedrins is such an improvement over Stoudemire defensively so as to merit the swapping of the two… why on earth would EVERY GS WARRIORS FAN be on this Amare-for-BigB trade…. oh wait, I know – it’s because Biedrins ISN’T such a defensive improvement over Stoudemire so as to warrant such a silly trade. Keep dreaming.

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by Eutychus on Nov 26, 2009 7:40 PM MST reply actions  

That was my take

If Biedrins was so good, why do they want to trade him?

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Nov 27, 2009 1:47 PM MST up reply actions  

I am proposing an unbiased opinion

The Warriors are my home team and I wll always be a fan, but Suns are my second favorites
The Suns need a rebounder and a good defender because Stoudemire doesn’t seem to try on either. Trust me, Biedrins is a better defender.
Also I am proposing this because it seems very likely that Stoudemire will bolt for a contender as soon as he can, and I think the Suns should get something for him while they can instead of being left with nothing next year.

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by Mike Fox on Nov 28, 2009 5:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Nothing?

Someone already made this point, but in this day and age $17M in cap space is hardly “nothing.” And I don’t see Amar’e opting out at the end of this season. Could be just a hunch, but I don’t see him taking his chances on the open market unless he goes absolutely berzerk over the remaining 80% of the season.

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by Mike Lisboa on Nov 28, 2009 8:19 PM MST up reply actions  

exactly.

no one is going to give him the $17+ million he’s looking for. also, he actually kind of likes phoenix, from what i understand. the system caters to him. the fans love him. he has the green light. what more can you ask for?

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by Trevor Paxton on Nov 30, 2009 11:39 AM MST up reply actions  

Careful what you wish for...

You could make a top 10 list just from BSOTS if you go back to the end of last season. It’s not so much a reflection on a particular fanbase as it is on the fact that the more active members you get, the more fanposts you get, the more, um, less-informed proposals that pop up…

This is why the “REC” button is so important. It allows the good, well thought out stuff to rise to the top.

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by Mike Lisboa on Nov 27, 2009 7:02 PM MST up reply actions  

bahaha!
I think that if the Mavericks don’t win a championship this year they will never win a championship

that is pure gold. because, you know, the NBA is ending in a few years.

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by Trevor Paxton on Nov 28, 2009 12:23 AM MST up reply actions  

for one

for one, this is just plain confusing. Amare is both untradeable and tradeable? for two, why in the hell are we trying to model ourselves after the mavericks?

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by ifiredterryporter.com on Nov 27, 2009 9:45 AM MST reply actions  

The Mavericks have been like a model of success for a long time

They have been consistent and they have always been successful. This success has lasted a long time. I think every team would like to have that success. The Suns therefore could model there team in a Mavs way while still applying their skills in order to be successful like the Mavericks

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by Mike Fox on Nov 28, 2009 5:15 PM MST reply actions  

Check your facts

Since coming into the league in 1980, the Dallas Mavericks have 12 losing seasons, 1 fewer than the Phoenix Suns… who have been around 12 additional years. Maybe the Mavs want to model themselves after the Suns?

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by Mike Lisboa on Nov 28, 2009 8:25 PM MST up reply actions  

I also believe

The Suns are the most winning franchise to never win a championship.

by hcblankscreen on Nov 28, 2009 10:01 PM MST up reply actions  

i think just about everyone

will agree with you there.

i’d rank the suns either fourth or fifth in the all-time greatest franchises list. only behind the lakers, celtics, and bulls.

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by Trevor Paxton on Nov 30, 2009 11:40 AM MST up reply actions  

Spurs too

What they’ve done in the last decade alone is pretty amazing.

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by Mike Lisboa on Nov 30, 2009 3:42 PM MST up reply actions  

It IS pretty amazing

How many generally middle of the road teams luck out on not one franchise big man, but TWO in the lottery?

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by Hawk42 on Dec 2, 2009 9:49 PM MST up reply actions  

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