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Nash, Defense Spark Suns Victory in Miami

At Suns Media Day a couple months back, Steve Nash was asked how he felt. The 36 year old point guard looked down and thought for a moment, then replied with a smile: "joyous." The joyous Steve Nash led the Suns with 30 points in a hard fought come-from-behind victory against the Miami Heat tonight, 104-96. While going 4-5 from three-point range, Nash also became the Suns All-Time 3-point leader.

The Suns looked sloppy and fell behind early during a 17-1 Miami run in the first half but managed to keep things close until Nash caught fire and the defense tightened in the second half. While Amare Stoudemire, Jared Dudley, and Louis Amundson scrapped for rebounds and blocked shots, Grant Hill, Jason Richardson and company held Dwayne Wade to a meager 23 points. After the game, Stoudemire quipped, "the guys are really taking defense to heart." It is easy to believe Sun Tzu after his words followed a gutsy team performance. From a fan's perspective it doesn't get any more exciting than watching your team fight back from a deficit and show so much fire in doing so. Seeing Jared Dudley scream in delight after scoring a hard fought basket warms my heart and makes me want to be ORNG.

The bench played excellent tonight including Jarron Collins, whose box line doesn't do him justice. The guy played tough and didn't hurt us. The rest of the rotation played inspired, aggressive basketball:

  • Louis Amundson: 10 points, 5 rebounds and 3 blocks
  • Jared Dudley: 8 points and 3 boards
  • Goran Dragic was solid in 11 minutes of play with no (zero) turnovers and a nice take to the hoop

Grant Hill struggled from the field going 2-11, yet managed a double double with 10 points and 12 boards, nicely complimenting Stoudemire's 11 rebound, 3 blocked shot performance. While everyone contributed in this victory, it was Nash's 25 point second half that led the way to an improbable win. For a half the Suns looked destined to give this game to the Heat, shooting nearly 40% from the field and 50% from the free throw line. Dwayne Wade picked apart the defense while Jermaine O'Neal and an oddly athletic looking Quentin Richardson buoyed the Heat offense.

Star-divide

Some more items of Suns interest:

  • Grant Hill is leading the Suns in rebounds, averaging 10.3 per game
  • The Suns bench of Amundson, Dudley, Dragic and Collins shot a combined 10-18 from the field
  • Channing frye has made more three pointers in 4 games this season than in 63 games last year. In his prior three seasons in the league he made a total of 9.
  • Earl Clark registered his first DNP of the season tonight
  • The Orlando Magic are the Suns next opponent tomorrow in Orlando at 5 P.M. MST. The Magic are returning from an 85-80 loss in Detroit.

[Note by Phoenix Stan, 11/04/09 6:49 AM MST ]

The Suns in the fourth quarter of this game were simply amazing outscoring Miami 29 to 15 and holding the Heat to 22% shooting. 22%!!!

The quarter started with the Suns down 81 - 76 and Nash on the bench. The unit of Dragic, Richardson, Dudley, Collins and Stoudemire went on a 10 - 3 run so that when Nash and Frye came in at the 7:18 mark the Suns had taken a 2 point lead.

Catch that? The Suns took the lead with Nash on the bench. How huge is that?

Here's what Gentry said about the bench, "I thought our reserves did a good job. It's really tough to have Steve sitting over there especially when the games on the line and you want him in there all the time. I thought Goran [Dragic] did a really good job of coming up with a few baskets and just being aggressive and getting guys some open shots. Jarron [Collins] came in and it was the first time he played for us and I think he set some really good solid screens to open guys up for shots and did a good job defensively. We're happy with the win but like I said, we're not ready to crown ourselves yet."

Sure, it helped the Wade was on the bench as well but credit where credit is due and that goes to those bench guys for giving Steve the time to rest so that when he came back in he could score 8 points and 3 assists and zero missed field goals.

But Wade was back in the game when Dragic blew by his man on the wing and went hard to the rim. Wade, a fantastic defender, came over for the block but Goran was able to adjust in mid air and drop the ball into the front of the rim. It's not the kind of play that ends up on a poster - but it should.

The Suns used the zone defense with great effect as well as which Nash said worked well, "We haven’t really used it much or had much success. It really came out well for us tonight."

Amare was fantastic. Richardson and Dudley did great work on Wade. Nash is playing as well as he's had in at least two or three years.

To overcome a night in which the Suns missed 10 free throws and Frye's shot finally went cold (we knew it would eventually) was very impressive. This was a great win.

 

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Defense!

I got a little dizzy reading “defense”, “scrapping for rebounds” mentioned together with Suns and Amare Stoudemire in several sentences above. Who would have thought it would come to this! If Amare continues this he’e easily up there with the Lebrons and Wades coz i’m pretty sure his offense will soon be back full tilt.

by toto_l2003 on Nov 3, 2009 11:32 PM MST reply actions  

Amare was totally beasting last night! He took it hard to the rim on many occasions and really played good transition offense. The blocks and rebounds were obviously huge for the Suns as well! ;)

by SunsFTW on Nov 4, 2009 7:46 AM MST up reply actions  

4-0

Undefeated baby YEAHHH!!!

by Spit_Fire on Nov 4, 2009 12:09 AM MST reply actions  

De-what?

lol i went to sleep thinking we would loose and wake up to a suns win and some defense lol looks liek our Zone Defense kind of irked thier team
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20091104_Suns_are_in_the_zone__beat_Heat_in_battle_of_unbeatens.html
hopefully tonight against the magic who lost last night and had a cold shooting night we can stay in the game and 2time take over in the fourth again.
Go Suns

by phxuk: Ap on Nov 4, 2009 7:25 AM MST reply actions  

lol

the zone is for college and that’s the difference? So in saying that (and we don’t know what context that answer was in) Quintin is admitting they could not be a college team running zone?

Weird.

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on Nov 4, 2009 7:36 AM MST up reply actions  

beat?^

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on Nov 4, 2009 7:36 AM MST up reply actions  

I’m expecting a Suns loss tonight. First back to back of the season against a team that made the finals last year. I’m hoping that I’m surprised though ;)

by SunsFTW on Nov 4, 2009 7:48 AM MST up reply actions  

I knew

That Amare would do it eventually. There were a lot of people on this site and others who thought that he was too selfish to work on his D game but I knew that it would happen eventually. The guy WANTS to be the best player in the NBA and he knows D is a part of that, I just think he was putting it off working on other things.

Its awesome to see us 4-0 against a good team with Amare still under his potential. When he starts exploding for 25-30 pts a game then we will know. But even tonight he was super efficient! 6-9 from the field? WOW! Thats what I am talking about.

Go read a book!

by N8lol on Nov 4, 2009 7:28 AM MST reply actions  

Yep! When he’s 14-20 from the field, and shooting 80% from the line again we’ll be in much better shape!

by SunsFTW on Nov 4, 2009 7:49 AM MST up reply actions  

You know what we arnt considering

Is that we are missing a healthy Barbosa. I think that part is amazing for our second squad. I know they have been rotating starters in with the second team but still. Barbosa is around a 20/5 guy and that’s a lot of offense to be missing and still pull out a win against a supposedly quality team.

My worry today is guarding Howard and the three point line at the same time. I know Howard fouled out last night against Detroit with 8 points and only a few boards. Lets hope that we can find a way to cap is productivity in the same manner. If we can do that we can focus more on the three point line and possibly come out with a win.

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on Nov 4, 2009 8:23 AM MST reply actions  

Our zone

wont work if he is blasting us inside for easy high percentage dunks/shots.

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on Nov 4, 2009 8:24 AM MST up reply actions  

great point about LB

being out…

The zone is useful at keeping guys like Howard out of the paint but it leaves a LOT of wide open outside looks.

I would expect to see more double teams on DH – especially right when he puts the ball on the floor. He can pass well out fo the double when he’s standing up but not so much on the move and he’s pretty predictable.

So they can either force him baseline and bring Amare across the lane like they did on the that block on Al Jeff or force him middle and bring a wing player like Hill or JRich to bother him when he’s moving across the lane

Personally though, I would like to see us not double at all early. Let them feed him the ball. Even if he’s scoring easily 1:1. That keeps the other guys from getting hot and then later in the game you can double.

The key will be if the Suns can score again. Orlando’s defense this year hasn’t been as good as it was last year….oh and Jameer Nelson is a stud.

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @phoenixstan

by Seth Pollack on Nov 4, 2009 8:35 AM MST up reply actions  

True Nelson is

I worry about Howard getting fry / amare in trouble foul wise. He is bigger and stronger. That’s why I think we will end up needing the zone which against this team will be hard as they can hit the 3 when they want. (as most teams can).

I hope you are right about being able to double him. I guess I’m used to seeing a Suns team that cant double and successfully recover on the open man. Oddly enough I’m worried but I’m not at the same time. Maybe this is due to our lowered expectations?

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on Nov 4, 2009 8:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Agreed...

I would like to see Amare take on the challenge of guarding Howard out of the gate…if he gets in foul trouble or whatever he can switch off but it would show more growth on his part if he stepped up and challenged himself against Superman

by watdogg10 on Nov 4, 2009 8:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Easier said than done, but I'm hopeful

If Amare/Frye/Collins can keep Howard from getting good low post position, the Suns can stay at home on the sharpshooters.

I’m hopeful Amare stays juiced up and makes Howard work. I don’t know that Frye has it in him, but Amare is giving me hope. If he can, Collins can bang and use his six fouls. Howard does not have great range, and he does not have many fundamental post moves (unless he’s improved over the summer). The farther the Suns keep Howard from the hoop, the better the chances of winning.

There’s probably some sort of graph or metric that ZF can do up (e.g., the Suns’ chances of success are proportional to the average distance that Howard gets his touches from the goal).

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Nov 4, 2009 8:45 AM MST reply actions  

even better

he might not play due to a shoulder issue…that would increase our chances dramatically

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @phoenixstan

by Seth Pollack on Nov 4, 2009 8:50 AM MST up reply actions  

I just read that

in the NBA preview. That would be fantastic. However, I would really like to see how we handle him.

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on Nov 4, 2009 8:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Stan

When can we expect the preview?

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on Nov 4, 2009 9:00 AM MST reply actions  

Im itchy

I hurried this morning to get all my work done so I can set here like a bump on a log and read all of this stuff :))

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on Nov 4, 2009 9:01 AM MST up reply actions  

ha

it will be a few hours…I’ve got a busy day and couple of sick kids on my hands

feel free (anyone) to post a preview in the Fan Posts and if it’s decent I can bump it to the front page

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @phoenixstan

by Seth Pollack on Nov 4, 2009 9:20 AM MST up reply actions  

That sucks

Hope your kids get better. And in that case take your time!

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on Nov 4, 2009 10:24 AM MST up reply actions  

Let's hope that Grant can get us off to a solid start like he has been..

He’s been averaging 13 of his 17.5ppg in the first half. If he can do that and also help us on the boards against Howard and Co. by grabbing close to his 10.3 rpg, that would be key.

by brian13 on Nov 4, 2009 9:50 AM MST reply actions  

I can't be prouder of the way we won last night's game

That’s how you play basketball and win championships. It wasn’t what we were doing in 05 and 06 or the couple good years after that. It wasn’t what we were doing with Shaq. Nash and co. finally has that mix of youth and maturity great teams need and probably it won’t mean anything anymore, our window of opportunity too closed for any type of run (we can always break and enter through the back door), but this may very well be the best Suns team to step on the floor in any of the years of Run and Gun.

But we’ve got 78 games left to play and I could be very wrong about the way I feel today.

Every game counts. Go Suns! Let’s beat Orlando!

Fanaticism is not logical

by SunDolphin on Nov 4, 2009 10:40 AM MST reply actions  

But I think

you are on to something….. Lets enjoy this while it last as we could really hit a wall at any point in the season and be set for failure.

So I say lets party!.

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on Nov 4, 2009 10:47 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Nov 4, 2009 10:52 AM MST up reply actions  

ah, the neurotic pride of the suns fan...

Hooray we’re doing great!!..alright when’s this all gonna come crashing down?

I’m right there with you..heh

by Fritzy on Nov 4, 2009 11:30 AM MST up reply actions  

They played a solid game

Now if they can beat the Magic, they’ll have a respectable 5-0 record to start the year.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
Revenge of the Birds

by Andrew602 on Nov 4, 2009 11:32 AM MST reply actions  

Respectable?

That would tie a franchise record…and this is a franchise with a pretty long and proud record.

A win tonight would be almost miraculous

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @phoenixstan

by Seth Pollack on Nov 4, 2009 11:58 AM MST up reply actions  

A win tonight will make a difference later in the year

Get these wins early while other teams are still trying to jell. Orlando is a contender but they’ve got flaws to work out. Now is the time to take advantage!

Not to mention that tying the franchise record would be tremendous. I want to set a torrid pace the rest of the league is forced to match. I don’t know how we’ll win, but we’ve proven through 4 games we can win in different ways, and overcome various letdowns. We don’t need to play perfect, but we do need to play hard.

Fanaticism is not logical

by SunDolphin on Nov 4, 2009 12:14 PM MST up reply actions  

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