Suns Lose Edge, Focus, Discipline and Game to Cavs
It will be easy to point to the 17-1 run the Cavs went on starting at the 6:51 mark of the fourth quarter and say the Suns lost the game there. But that's not what happened. The Suns lost this game when they walked on the floor not fully believing they could beat LeBron and the Cavs.
There was a distinct lack of focus and confidence throughout the entire game. In the first half it manifested itself in turnovers (10 of them leading to 16 points for the Cavs). In the second half it was turnovers (9 for 14 points) and poor shooting. And poor defense. And too much energy paid to the officials' calls or non-calls.
"I thought we lacked a little bit of confidence at times," said Nash who went on to add, "Overall we didn't have a real winning mentality tonight. I thought we were hesitant and a little doubtful rather than bold and aggressive and determined."
That's an understatement.
This was a very disappointing loss and the Suns only have to look in the mirror to find the culprit. I've made a lot of excuses for this team from the road heavy schedule, injuries, the occasional bad call but there is no excuse for tonight other than the obvious.
The Cavs are a far better team than the Suns right now and everyone in that locker room knew it. Instead of "We believe" this game was about "We hope". That's not a recipe for success.
It is still a long season. They still have another game in less than 48 hours but we all saw it and it's going to take a lot of good wins to earn back the faith that this team is anywhere close to being considered not just a contender but a truly viable playoff team.
The excuses varied depending on who you asked:
"I thought overall, although they shot a high percentage, that we did a pretty good job defensively for the most part," said Gentry who laid the majority of the blame at the feet of the turnovers.
"I think Cleveland did a good job. What they did was they went small. They put LeBron at the four...," said Dudley who went on to talk about how difficult it was for Nash to shoot over a big or to find the wings open.
"They came out and played well and did what they had to do and beat us pretty bad," said Hill.
Nash had a different answer. He didn't think the Cavs lineups had anything to do with it. He didn't think he and his teammates let the referees impact their mental focus. It was just about a "lack of confidence and decisiveness" - two words which are becoming this season's "lack of energy" go to explanation for anything bad.
At first Steve tried to stick with the line that they did a decent job in the half court defensively stressing that the turnovers and fast break points were the real downfall. But then he thought better of that, "To be honest, we did have a bunch of break downs in the half court."
He credited 50 of the Cavs 109 points from the combination of turnovers and half court defensive break downs.
So where did those break downs come from?
Showing hard and consistently on the high pick and roll didn't help. We saw the same thing against the Spurs. Good teams, and say what you want about the Cavs "LeBron on 5 offense" but they are a good team, are able to take advantage of that. They slipped the pick and roll and with Verajao in the game they were able to take advantage of that as the Suns rotation was confused and tentative.
"We gave up a lot half court on simple back cuts that we've got to be able to defend," Gentry said about the Suns porous defensive effort. While the Cavs were giving up nothing easy and closing out on shooters as if they were the rested team, the Suns visibly deflated in the final minutes and basically rolled over and played dead. That's never how you want to finish a game.
Amare, aside from hitting open jump shots against Shaq's sagging defense, was a non-factor. He played a very poor game showing a distinct lack of poise and/or leadership. He was also noticeably absent from the locker room media availability as well, leaving Hill and Nash to face the music. That's never a good sign.
This game isn't the end of anything. The Suns still have a very favorable schedule starting in January and the team is still able to beat lesser teams but without a huge step forward over the next few months the Suns are (to paraphrase Denny Green) who we thought they were.
If you let your expectations get to high, this will serve as your reality check. If you expected disaster from this year's Suns you still have reason to be impressed. In the mean time, there are plenty of teams that wish they were as good as the Phoenix Suns and fortunately, we get to play a lot of them in the coming weeks and months. Fun times indeed.
Game Notes Record In Real Time:
1st Quarter
- Amare tests the jump shot early. Missed. LeBron jump shot. Money
- Shaq is not going to come out and guard Amare. Nor can he run the floor with him. Amare dunk after a made basket
- JRich had his teeth rattled running into Shaq at full speed. At least he knocked Shaq down as well
- JJ Hickson switched on to Nash? Steve goes right at him and easily gets past hiim
- Crowd goes nuts for LeBron dunk on the break. You suck Phoenix
- Amare with 10 quick points against Shaq and draws offensive foul against him
- Suns sloppy. 4 turnovers lead to 2 Bron jams that got the crowd buzzing. Amare used to get opposing crowds buzzing....those were the days
- Suns offense doing it's thing. Great side for things to come. 27 points w/ 2 minutes to go in qtr
- 30-29. Suns shooting 61% behind Amare's 5-7, 10 points. Suns also lead rebounding 10-8
- Without 6 turnovers, Suns are up 8 or 10 points
2nd Quarter
- Grant Hill in the open court. So smoooooth
- Lou hit a jump shot!!! !!!!! !!!!!!!!!
- Dragic with the Nash-like move to drive baseline and sidearm a pass to an open Dudley for three
- Suns making silly mistakes. Bad passes. Bad fouls. Not playing smart
- Lou + Varejao equals much hustle hair. Almost too much to take in
- Suns fans booing Shaq when he checks in or touches ball. Why?
- Dragic just left LeBron in his wake and on the deck after LeBron switched onto him!!!! Hell Yes!!!
- Gentry is PISSED. Another turnover. That's 9 total. That one on Dragic
- Nash got long rest. Came back in 5:27 in the 2nd
- Delonte West playing well. 9 points in 10 minutes
- Crowd goes NUTS for travel call on LeBron
- Suns getting lost on defense with too many heads turned watching LeBron play basketball
- Amare with 3rd foul with 2:25 to go in half. Not a Max night despite hitting some open shots early
- Frye took that hit from Shaq like a man
- Frye goes out with this 3rd foul as well. Robin in. Lou and Robin on the floor together. Suns better get stops b/c those guys ain't scoring
- Gentry and LeBron jawing after James gets his 1st foul at the end of the half
- I take back what a said about Anthony being a lesser player than Candace. Hits a face up three on Lou
- Cavs up 59-53
3rd Quarter
- Energy a bit flat to start 3rd. Maybe they have no asses left after Gentry chewed them off. 10 1st half turnover give the Cavs 16 points. Not going to work
- Nash PISSED after non-call on layup attempt versus Shaq. Nash made it btw throwing it over his head while facing the other way. Oh, Steve
- Like a little green Canadian, Nash hulks up and drops like 7 quick points
- James barrels into lane after dribbling air out of ball and runs over Frye. No call. Of course
- Suns can't buy a three. 4-13 (30%)
- Cavs playing hard and tough D. Can they keep it up? (that's what she said)
- So much for Lou coming back this year as a better shooter
- LeBron PISSED now after picking up an offensive foul. Stands and watches Lou go right around him afraid to pick up 4th
- Poor shooting 3rd quarter but Suns still only down 7. 75-82
4th Quarter
- Suns now shooting 27% from three
- Frye hammers Verajao HARD in the face. That easily could have been a flagrant. Torched him w/ the elbow
- Going to take a serious come back to win this one. Suns only down 7 but getting beat thoroughly
- Too much energy expended on refs
- Suns can't get stops. Can't hit shots. Cavs closing out hard and making their looks
- Dudley playing well. Pump fakes a three and drives for an open lay up. Mike Brown calls a timely timeout. Cavs up 92-86 but momentum might have been shifting back
- Mo Williams torching Suns yet again. 23 points
- Suns D is horrible. HORRIBLE
- Down 11. Crowd doesn't believe. Suns playing like they don't believe. Gonna take a Nashicle
- Amare misses a zero footer. Grabs the miss. Goes up. Verajao gets a clean block and Amare loses his shit and picks up the dumb T. Not a smart game for Ax
- Suns in free fall as LeBron starts lighting it up to close game. Cavs up 103-86. Fans streaming for the exits with no tacos in sight. 4:18 to go
- Amare's trying to foul out
- Epic collapse. Weak effort. Suns down 105-86 with 2:30
- Garbage time with 2:00 minutes to go. ugh
Post game audio:
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Yup.
That about sums it up. Even though the Suns hung around for three and a half quarters, I never got the feeling they had a run in them to make it a game. It’s a a particular shame, because this was a winnable, if difficult, game.
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at least show up and give your best effort
if you do that and get beat, so be it. This was horrific. Fortunately, it’s not been the trend like it was last year. So far anyway they’ve bounced back from pretty much every loss
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 22, 2009 12:04 AM MST up reply actions
I understand the Cav's are good
However the Suns ball movement was not crisp. Delonte West looked like a star last night, J Rich disapeared again and Amare had one of his " I am pissed off games"
They can beat the Cavs, they just have to dig deeper, Meaning JRich and Amare.
Lebron vs. Jrich
I didn’t get to watch this game, but I saw there was another “Lebron pwning Jrich” moment in this game. The past two games Jason Richardson has had dunks that Lebron has blocked and made him look silly. This game Lebron had a pass between Jrich’s legs for an assist to Sideshow Bob er Anderson Varejao.
Highlights
Here’s what I’m talkin bout
LBJ blocks Jrich’s needlessly executed 360 dunk
LBJ blocks Jrich layup
This one has no direct link since it’s new, go to the game’s highlights:
LBJ pass between Jrich legs at 2:00 mark of Suns v. Cavs highlight
I know this
sounds reactionary from last night, however I think the Suns should entertain offers for Amare. Amare should of been a beast last night, whether Shaq, “Z”, HIckson or Varejao is guarding him, Amare needs to dominate. 6 Turnovers and 5 fouls, no thanks.
I think when you weigh all the factors in, long term deal, max deal, is he going to be the face of the franchise?, will he succeed when Nash is gone? I believe a trade is the best option. To what teams, what players? That is something I am sure Kerr and the like have looked into.
Sure Amare can look brilliant, goodness I know. But the Suns need to be bold and move him, not sign him to a long term contract.
I certainly understand that feeling
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 22, 2009 7:03 AM MST up reply actions
I just don't see it.
Where does he go and who do you get to replace him. Sure he is off or uninterested every few games. But is 1 beastly game not better than zero? There will be nobody that the Suns will be able to coerce into coming to phoenix that will replace the statistics this guy averages and that’s just the simple fact. The guy is surely no LBJ and I think maybe its time we stop expecting him to be?
TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"
I will say this
He scored against Shaq as he should. Varejao is a very good defender and physically an almost perfect matchup in that he is athletic, quick and long and guys like that can bother Amare so once the Cavs went small the scoring needed to come from somewhere else.
Both Hill and JRich recognized this but couldn’t get it done. The Cavs defense just outplayed the Suns in the 2nd half and that’s not on Amare. That’s not to say Amare should have played better on the defensive end and found more ways to contribute (although he did have 12 rebounds)
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 22, 2009 7:09 AM MST up reply actions
Stan
It will always be a Trade Amare or Amare is great thing with this team. If we are winning its Max Contract if we are losing its Mr. Trade Idea. He just simply isn’t Kobe or LBJ. We harped about his rebounding stat and I’m pretty sure the past month he has been doing pretty well in that department. His shooting was on. I can’t really find fault in what he was doing beyond the fact that he isn’t allowed to show ANY emotion on the court because if he showed his true emotions he would be ejected nearly every game.
(Nash fist pumped with no ‘T’… LBJ was literally spitting in the refs face yelling at him with not “T” on several occasions) The guy has been conditioned to not get fired up and show emotion. Anyway I’m getting on a soap box here … I’ll stop.
TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"
Yup
I agree with that too. I certainly understand after last night the sentiment to move him and I also fully appreciate what your saying.
My guess is Steve Kerr is equally conflicted :)
In my mind it all comes down to what kind of deal he would except and/or what kind of offers you can get for him. It’s not clear cut.
I would be fine trading him if the deal were right. I would be fine extending him if the deal were right. I am certainly disappointed in last night though but clearly this was a team failing and not just on Amare’s shoulders.
It’s not “just a loss to the Cavs” as much as the way it happened. When the Suns came from behind and beat the Heat early in the year that was a meaningful win b/c of how it happened. This loss was the opposite. Both games are telling and I think it is fair to say this Suns team isn’t anywhere near an elite level and yet they are far more entertaining and watchable than last year.
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 22, 2009 7:26 AM MST up reply actions
Kerr
has a real tough decision, I do not envy this spot he is in. I just look at Nash’s age and the contract that Amare is going to demand. Nash is the perfect point guard for Stat and will the Suns be ever able to replace Nash with someone even close? I just can’t see that happening.
I would try to get a first rounder and players for Amare. If Kerr looks at this realistically I think he has to move him. I love Stat, but the truth hurts, he has to be moved. He is the one chip that could bring good return.
I don't think...
Blaming this on any one or two players is not meaningful. This was a team loss. It was a complete breakdown. The passes as was mentioned from the start of the game where lethargic at best. You can’t lob a pass to your teammate with three defenders (not to mention one of them named LBJ) in the NBA. They just simply didn’t show their true potential tonight.
TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"
I am with you to an extent
but J Rich and Amare were glaring disapointments last night. For Amare to get to the level of the superstar he has to bring it every night, like Kobe and Lebron
If Amare were to be traded....
I think Cleveland would actually be a good and willing trade partner. As evidenced by last night, JJ Hickson can play and they have Z’s 13M expiring that we could either take and use as cap space or involve another team looking to shed salary. Due to the fact that we lack interior toughness and D is always the excuse. I would be very happy with the following.
Amare to Cleveland
Z to NO
Hickson, Okafor, + Clevelands pick to PHX
I think its about time to trade Amare while we can, he is healthy and performing at the moment.
I had a similar idea, though it was just a two-team deal:
Stoudemire to Cleveland for Hickson, Ilgauskus, and Anthony Parker (as a throw-in).
Anthony Parker!
We’d almost round out the All Lesser Brother Squad! One more and we could field a 5 man squad of less-talented basketball siblings. I’d even get behind signing Cooper Manning to the squad just for the novelty of it all.
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by Mike Lisboa on Dec 22, 2009 11:56 AM MST up reply actions
He's only in it
To make numbers work and because, well, trades are generally a give and take.
The main deal would be the large expiring deal of Ilgauskas (would only do the trade if Amare seemed like he was going to opt in, which I have a feeling he’ll do), and the future talent of Hickson.
I would be down with that ...
it might mean we finally saw Earl Clark on the court a bit.
I still don’t think we should even be considering thinking about making moves until at least mid-january, and if our win percentage is still in the .600’s at that point i’d rather we stay put.
Instead of trading Amare,
I think the Suns should begin tampering with Chris Paul. Totally unethical, but the much more important question to the future of the franchise is the succession of Steve Nash. And Paul becomes a free agent right when the contract expires on a certain ageless MVP.
The continuing problem with trading Amare is how you get anything better than 75 cents on the dollar for him. From the proposals I’ve seen so far, nothing really seems to be all that much better than allowing him to walk and ending up with 17M in cap space. If nothing else, the Suns might want to stand pat and let him opt in at the end of the season THEN trade him. An offensive machine who also represents 17M in expiring contract is worth far more than whatever Amare represents right now.
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Oh and Paul to Amare?
Just as sick as Nash to Amare.
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look at the bright side
The Suns didn’t blow a 35 point lead.
Steve Nash plays D!!
by phxsuns on Dec 22, 2009 10:48 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
So wait..
Suns are 18-10, have NO first rounder, and the “solution” is to trade Amar’e for $0.60 of the $1? That is crazy. If you gonna do that, wait until after this season, surely.
Only trouble is if you want until after the season, you risk him walking for nothing.
I didn’t even realize this until another poster mentioned it, but we wouldn’t be able to spend all of Amare’s $17m salary if he walked. We’d only be able to the amount we’d be under the salary cap, which I believe was around $8m.
spot on wrt the cap, but think about the other side of the cap issues
If Amare were to re-sign with the Suns, that wouldn’t count against the cap (but it is calculate for luxury tax purposes).
However, if he signs somewhere else, that does count against the cap. The cap exception would not work for the team to which he’s traded. E.g., Even if Cleveland signs him to an extension or re-signs him after 2011, his salary still counts against their cap b/c a returning player needs to have played 3 years for the team he’s re-signing with for that team to get the cap exception.
With Amare’s ability to be a “cap-buster” for another team, does he really have a $17M value as a free agent? Especially in this current financial/economic situation?
There is some incentive for Amare to pick up his $17M option, but the new 2011 CBA may reduce future max contracts — which is why many players see an importance on getting their contracts in stone soon.
It’s always more complicated than a blogger thinks, but if you really want to structure a “win-win” and Amare really does want to stay in Phoenix, then he gets paid his $17M next year and signs an extension for about $15M-$18M a year for something like 4 or 5 years. Yeah, I know, he needs to get paid.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
three years
I am thinking an extension shouldn’t be for more than 3 yrs which is what the Lakers extended Gasol for.
That would be four more full seasons after this one which sounds like a lot to me given his micro-fractured knee. Know one has gone beyond like 5 years playing after that surgery so it’s all uncharted territory
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 22, 2009 2:11 PM MST up reply actions
I agree on 3 as appropriate
I suggested 4 and a little less $$ per to make it “win-win”
Mmmmm ... Guinness
point being that
Phoenix has been a free agent destination because of the thought that the management takes care of its players
Mmmmm ... Guinness
Am I correct in assuming
That if a team engaged in a sign-and-trade for Amare, they’d be able to absorb his contract if they had within 125% of his new salary coming back to us?
Yes
but the 125% only applies to teams at/over the cap. Suns could send him to a team under the cap for a bag of basketballs
Mmmmm ... Guinness
no one is that under the cap though
at least not until the off season
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 22, 2009 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
I didn't realize that
but also … it would have the same cap implications as letting him walk
Mmmmm ... Guinness
It's entirely possible
The Suns wouldn’t want fair value back precisely because of this.
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One thing is for certain:
The foreseeable future of the Suns franchise depends entirely on what they do with Amare. Sucks to be Kerr.
Amare
only resign him for $11m-$13m his not worth more and there is a chance we can make a splash in free agency if he walks
in defense of Amare
last night, Amare had a very good first quarter. He got into foul trouble, and was forced out of the game. We all know when Amare has been in foul trouble we suffer immensely.
However, It’s not his fault we lost the game…He had a bad game, as per our lofty desires. But so did Steve Nash! Lots of ill-timed turnovers, poor shooting, a lack of confidence, etc….Thus, where are the trade Steve Nash contingencies??? We lost as a team last night, and i totally agree that overall there was a lack of confidence. I think it should be much easier to blame Channing Frye for that loss if we are going to single out a specific player (which I would very much hesitate to do).
As much as I don’t think Amare is worth the money he is going to get next year, he’s not the reason we lose. He’s only part of the problem of last night, and overall, has played very well recently.
Plus, Amare would be a fool to test the free agent market next year, cuz he’s not getting any more than what PHX owes him if he picks up his option. The current economy and the other top flight free agents puts Amare on the second tier and he’s not gonna get more than 13-14 million a year from another team, imho.
On another note
Amare is the only player on our roster that provides interior toughness. And before we all laugh at his version of “toughness,” which is reasonable, do we really think Z, Robin Lopez, Channing Frye, or anyone else would be an upgrade on defense in the paint???
Yikes, it’s come to the point where I’m defending Amar’e!!!
No wonder it’s raining today. God must be crying.

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