IMO: The Suns' best trade option

by jburning on Dec 23, 2009 10:10 AM MST

Michael Beasley
Mario Chalmers
Jermaine O'Neal (expiring)

Why Miami does it:
They get their superstar sidekick to Dwyane Wade. Amare would be highly motivated to re-sign with Miami, given the locale and who he'd be playing with. They get a scoring punch with JRich, whose contract doesn't last forever. They seem to have kind of given up on Chalmers. While they like Beasley, they'd rather have Stoudemire, I'm sure. O'Neal wasn't a part of their long-term plans and they were only using his expiring deal to make room for a superstar sidekick anyway.

Why Phoenix does it:
They get really young, really promising young talent back in Beasley. While he's a bit of a headcase, the Suns' organization and coaching staff, as well as his potential teammates, are all very solid and would provide a nurturing environment for him to blossom and learn to be a character player. Chalmers is a solid point guard prospect. They can move him to back-up point, and play Dragic in more off-guard scenarios. While O'Neal doesn't fit their current plans, he's mainly in the deal for his huge expiring deal, which will provide the Suns with a lot of flexibility this summer to pursue free agents or otherwise just have some room under the cap and luxury tax thresholds. It also gets rid of JRich's contract.

I personally feel this deal makes the most sense for the Suns in obtaining top-notch young talent and gaining financial flexibility. It also makes a lot of sense for the Heat, given their stated goals for this off-season.

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Of course ...

I would also still welcome a deal with Golden State that sent Amare to them for either Randolph/Biedrins/Azubuike(other random player), or Curry/Biedrins/Azubuike(other random player), but the Heat trade keeps us from trading without our conference and especially from within our division.

by jburning on Dec 23, 2009 10:16 AM MST reply actions

Woah heck no

Amare is overrated(no defense and no reounding) and we have backed away from him. These trades are awful. AR isn’t being shopped he’s just available as well as every other player but reports are that AR and Ellis are again getting close to untouchable. We value Buike more than you know and Curry just got here why would we give him away? The most i’d give for Amare would be Biedrins + expirings if Amare signed an extension.

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by dubzfan on Dec 25, 2009 12:09 AM MST up reply actions

Thanks for your input.

by jburning on Dec 25, 2009 7:28 AM MST up reply actions

All this because

you’ve now decided your team is going in the right direction (48 wins, 29, and now on pace for 21)?

You’re talking like your roster is something more than the stuff tyhat lines stable floors. A little dose of reality, here. The guys who brought you your biggest triumph in the last 12 years are gone (Davis, Richardson, Jackson, and Barnes.

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by Hawk42 on Dec 25, 2009 9:58 PM MST up reply actions

Every player has his price.

“Untouchable” is a word GM’s and front office brass like to use to quell the average fan’s anxiety over a talented player.

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by Trevor Paxton on Dec 26, 2009 1:06 PM MST up reply actions

I think

This deal cannot happen because Amar’e can opt out next season. D-Wade is a also a free agent next season. Michael Beasley has a lot of potential so i doubt the Heat would want to part with him. Plus even with Amar’e and J-rich I don’t think the Heat can win a championship. And there’s always a chance that Amar’e exercises his player option which might screw up thier plans if he doesn’t pan out there. IMO it is a huge risk for the Heat and I don’t think it will happen. If the Suns choose to do this i’m all for it though

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by phxsuns on Dec 23, 2009 10:21 AM MST reply actions

Actually

I don’t Amar’e to be traded but it’s all up to Steve Kerr

Steve Nash plays D!!

by phxsuns on Dec 23, 2009 10:22 AM MST up reply actions

I think there's a huge chance that Amare would re-sign with Miami.

by jburning on Dec 23, 2009 10:24 AM MST reply actions

He gets to play with Wade, he gets to be associated with Pat Riley, the Heat have the money to sign him to a max contract, he gets to play in South Beach.

by jburning on Dec 23, 2009 10:25 AM MST up reply actions

I also don't see it as a huge risk for the Heat.

They’ve been positioning themselves to make a move on a marquee compliment to Wade. Outside of LeBron or Bosh, Stoudemire would be their best choice.

by jburning on Dec 23, 2009 10:26 AM MST reply actions

I could see why Miami would do it

But the Suns? not so sure

I has been my pipe dream for a while that Phx lands Wade, though. Here’s hoping Shaq puts in a good word

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by JSun on Dec 23, 2009 11:13 AM MST reply actions

The Suns get a great all-star-level prospect who’s very young and they get under the cap for the first time in a long time, as well as getting a point guard prospect.

by jburning on Dec 23, 2009 11:29 AM MST up reply actions

so

If this trade does go through, who do you think the Suns will sign in 2010? Please be realistic.

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by phxsuns on Dec 23, 2009 11:58 AM MST reply actions

Depends on who's actually available.

Getting Beasley would eliminate their need for a true marquee free agent, since the point of the trade would be that the Suns expect Beasley to be an all-star eventually.

I think the Suns’ main target in free agency will be Rudy Gay, particularly if they don’t think Clark is the future at small forward.

by jburning on Dec 23, 2009 12:20 PM MST up reply actions

Clark is not the answer

So Gay would be a good signing. Clark and Lopez were not good picks, Kerr needs to get his act together in the draft. Of course no No.1 next year takes Kerr off the hook. Passing on Budniger and Cassapi was not smart.

by Grockcubs on Dec 23, 2009 1:27 PM MST up reply actions

Most realistic trade post ever.

Trade posts still suck, though.

by jj24 on Dec 23, 2009 2:40 PM MST reply actions

Not a bad idea but it all hinges on who we could get with our (still limited) 2010 cap room.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Dec 23, 2009 4:23 PM MST reply actions

This IS a good trade post

It makes some semblance of sense for all parties involved. I still think the Suns best option is to re-sign Amare. He’s still working his way to Max money though.

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by Mike Lisboa on Dec 23, 2009 9:53 PM MST reply actions

Agree. Keep Amare.

Amare is one of the more dynamic players in the game. I think we need to try and keep him.

The guys you mentioned from Miami just don’t excite me. Beasley has potential, but seems to be a bit of a wild card with his attitude and energy. Both JRich and Amare will bring it pretty much every single night. etc..If we were to give up Amare I’d want a solid, established player who isn’t over the hill like J. O’Neil. Maybe a deal like the Golden State trade you mentioned up top. I like Azubuike. I think if we are going to move anyone it should be Channing Frye for a more defensive minded guy. We have enough shooting. We need someone to block shots and score inside. Biedrins looks good in that regard.

by Jack Frost on Dec 24, 2009 7:25 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs

Frye for Shaq?

by brian13 on Dec 25, 2009 10:48 AM MST up reply actions

By the way...

I totally REC’d this even though I disagree with the content. THIS is how trade posts should be done, as it doesn’t leave you scratching your head wondering why either team would necessarily go for it. (Though I get a little stabby over the thought of Jermaine O’Neal in a Suns uni, expiring contract or no.).

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by Mike Lisboa on Dec 24, 2009 7:27 AM MST up reply actions

Thanks!

I don’t really want O’Neal as a Sun at all, but man, that’s $23m off the books.

by jburning on Dec 24, 2009 10:43 AM MST up reply actions

Perhaps

Thinking out loud:

Beasley’s past psychological problems scare me though. Perhaps not as much as Amare’s injury history. Chalmers seems to have the upside to be a quality PG, but I’m in the camp that Dragic could be quality as well. I haven’t seen enough of Chalmers so I’m going off of one or two games and the numbers and the numbers don’t blow me away.

So if this was to go down, who would run the point for the Heat? Arroyo is starting now. If Chalmers is the future, wouldn’t we have to provide either a draft pick (which we dont have) or a suitable replacement?

I like the thought of getting some young, cheap replacements to build off of, but it certainly leaves us small at the 2-assuming you start Barbosa or Dragic (who is not a 2), so then we have to go get a Richardson replacement.

I’d much rather see us trade for something serviceable for Amare, along with a 2 guard and a #1 next year. In fact any trade involving Amare should net us a #1 and more.

And by the way, agreed, this wasn’t the usual espn trade machine BS, or “we need LeBron.” Good post.

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by Wil Cantrell on Dec 24, 2009 8:37 PM MST up reply actions

Some of the stuff people come up with..Trading Amare Stoudemire for basically Michael Beasley would be stupid as much as I liked Beasley in college he will not be the player that Amare has become.For the first time in his career he is playing defense scoring and rebounding. When you trade a star player you only get 10 cents on the dollar

and for the guy that said Earl Clark is not good is crazy he is a very good defender and has an improving jumpshot why are they bringing him along so slow I dont know but I believe if we would have put him on Durant the other night he would have gave him more problems than Hill and Dudley because of his length and athleticism

by Lebrontophx2010 on Dec 26, 2009 9:29 AM MST reply actions

dont trade amare!. let him stay!

by STUPID KERR on Jan 2, 2010 6:03 AM MST up reply actions

However I think Phx should try to work out that deal with the Rockets for McGrady that was talked about this summer

by Lebrontophx2010 on Dec 26, 2009 9:31 AM MST reply actions

Can you imagine

how many open shots Nash would get McGrady? However, I am afraid the price would be too steep. It would have to start with Richardson, and probably include Barbosa. Still, a starting five of

PG Nash
SG McGrady
SF Hill/Dudley
PF Amare
C Frye

would be a nightmare to defend.

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by Hawk42 on Dec 26, 2009 12:34 PM MST up reply actions

I must be one of the other people

Who would hate to have McGrady on my team, except as an expiring contract.

by jburning on Dec 26, 2009 2:15 PM MST up reply actions

as an expiring contract McGrady has some value

But if anyone thinks that his playing would make our team better, i would vehemently disagree. a ball-hogging shooter with poor defense and inability to make his teammates better would destroy this team’s chemistry and fragile psyche.

by ArizonaCactus on Dec 26, 2009 3:13 PM MST up reply actions

Yeah I forgot

as it is, we are a machine primed for a deep championship run

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by Hawk42 on Dec 26, 2009 4:23 PM MST up reply actions

I'm already looking for Finals tickets!

by rsavaj on Dec 27, 2009 11:41 AM MST up reply actions

Agree with hawk 42 its safe to say we our a first round Maybe second round team at best in the playoffs J-Rich for T-Mac was talked about According to Ric Bucher over the summer..both teams couldnt get the numbers to work..it could be a good trade it could work as an audition..our system will inflate T-Mac stats and could give him trade value after the season if not we get rid of him or use to MLE

by marques m on Dec 28, 2009 5:43 PM MST up reply actions

I’d love this trade, I’d just be a heat fan lol. Beasley can aspire to be Amare, doubt he’ll ever be that good, he has the same strengths and weaknesses more or less, only Amare’s strengths are miles better than Beasley’s. Jermaine is pretty good, but he’s expiring so no real team value in that, only financial. And Chalmers will probably never be an All Star. That would be awful for the Suns…I like it.

by Teske22 on Dec 27, 2009 12:07 PM MST reply actions