No Surprises Here, Suns Drubbed by Lakers 108-88
Tonight was deemed "Mission Impossible Part 2" by a respected Suns journalist. The local commentators were hoping for a rain out (hur, hur). While there was no rain or Tom Cruise sightings at the game, winning was to be a monumental task. The "tired" Suns on the second night of a back to back didn't play a perfect game, and even if they did, they probably still would have lost to the defending champions.
There was certainly some good that came out of this game, and there of course, was some bad.
The Suns at least competed tonight. The first quarter witnessed an active Suns team, combatting a nearly flawless Lakers attack. Amare Stoudemire showed up, feeling his outside game and battling inside for rebounds. But five turnovers leading to a 9-2 Lakers run in the first 7 minutes left the Suns in an early hole.
The Lakers D held, as it did for the rest of the game, limiting any Suns inside penetration. Pau Gasol switched off on Steve Nash, thus alleviating any pick 'n roll success.
Still the Suns were making shots, ad held close. A Jared Dudley three brought the Suns back to a 2 point deficit, the Lakers still held a 29-26 first quarter lead.
The Suns battled in the second quarter as well, going on a nice little 6-0 run. Yet the Suns struggled on D, allowing Laker penetration and two wide open threes. Robin Lopez left his man too early, allowing the first, while Steve Nash went underneath a screen allowing the second. The Suns were still playing respectable and even managed a free throw, their first with 3.49 to play in the second. But this was as good as it was to get for Phoenix on this night as they ended the first half down 54-44.
The Suns were outscored by 11 in the third quarter and all was, well, finished at that point. The lakers continued to attack and get what they wanted on the offensive end while the Suns went cold from outside, and continued to have trouble getting in the lane.
The Suns second unit closed the lead to 13 midway through the 4th quarter, but back to back three pointers by Shannon Brown ended the Suns small run.
The Rest of the Good (which wasn't a whole lot)
- The Suns shot 57% 1st quarter, Nash had 7 Assists (who cares, I know)
- Goran Dragic had a nice little pick off of Shannon Brown, took the ball the length of the court for a layup. (It was nearly dropped. You gotta DUNK, Goran).
- Robin Lopez didn't look dreadful and confused, in fact he looked serviceable. Heis aggressive at the rim and has a nice little 5-6 foot jumper. I'm hoping he can get in shape and put in 10-15 minutes eventually this season. he could be valuable against the more sizeable teams.
- The Suns second unit played pretty well. Lopez, Dragic, and Dudley all played solid. Earl Clark had a nice 15 footer off the dribble.
The Rest: A Very Small Ode to the Lakers:
OK the Suns are tired and this was a back to back game on the road. We didn't expect much. But this Laker team flat plays defense. The cut off the lanes and the Suns simply couldn't penetrate to the hoop. The Lakers also rebounded and played good perimeter defense. The Suns couldn't shoot from the field, they couldn't make a three. Further, the Lakers executed their offense flawlessly. Ron Artest made threes, Kobe Bryant simply toyed with Suns defenders. Bynum was all over the glass, and Gasol confounded Amare Stoudemire. So...what in God's name were the Suns supposed to do tonight? They played the reigning champion and got trounced. I don't like it, you don't like, but that's the way the mop flops.
End of story.
Pertinent Numbers:
- Suns shot 4-13 from three point land. The Lakers were 10-21.
- The Suns shot 11 free throws, making 10. The Lakers shot 22-26.
- The Suns had 14 turnovers, the Lakers 11.
- The Suns had 37 rebounds, the Lakers 42.
- The Suns had 36 points in the paint, the Lakers had 40 (maybe I missed them, but I do not recall the Suns scoring that much in the paint).
- OH, AND THE LAKERS HAVE PLAYED 16 OF THEIR FIRST 19 GAMES AT HOME. (yep, I'm just a smidge bitter).
Next up, @Dallas, 6.30 PM on Tuesday, 12/8
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Getting Killed By LA's 3-Pointers
All the talk comes down to this – the Suns were killed by the Lakers 3-pointers -not by Kobe Bryant’s scoring. While he clearly drew in the defense – Kobe only knocked down 26 points.
For a look at the numbers, just go to this handy link:
http://www.sunsstufft.com/2009-articles/december/getting-treed-by-las-threes.html
From the folks at www.sunsstufft.com.
sad face
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
who let the junkyard dogs out??
As I keep mentioning, this Suns team is a work in progress, and right now the wheels are a little loose.
However, bear in mind that this Lakers team has been together, almost intact, for 3 years, and is playing about as well as it can, for this part of the season. Our Suns otoh, have a ways to go, meaning that they can get much better.
It’s easy to get all excited about a surprisingly strong start, and consequently raise ones expectations wrt this team, but we’re not there yet. not by a long chalk. Early indications of mental toughness were premature. Not that this team is weak, mentally, but it hasn’t yet developed that “rip yer lungs out, and piss down your throat” attitude it needs to succeed. Junkyard dogs.. remember.
If you’re undersized, the way to beat the Lakers is with a combination of speed and physical play. If the refs are going to call everything, in any case, you might as well get your shots in, and put a little seed of doubt in their mind.
Anyway, imho we’re missing that gnarliness with Lou out of the lineup, and no-one has stepped up yet to fill in the gap. Sideshow might, when he gets in shape, but I think this is the kind of thing you use a Taylor Griffin for.. He certainly has the jones for it.
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by Pliny the Elder on Dec 6, 2009 11:32 PM MST reply actions
Hello from Lakerland
I’m going to agree with fedres from the first comment (reply isn’t working for me). I thought you guys played a good game, and that we were unusually hot from the perimeter. If we were a bit cooler (like we usually are) and you guys are a bit warmer (like you usually are) it’s a much different game.
The bench made it interesting in the fourth...
…but we had the door slammed in our face. If we had cut the lead down to single digits, they would have panicked. Instead? We fell back behind by 20. We really could have used Amundson. He’s not afraid to pick up the foul, and he gets six hacks/bumps before he gets disqualified. We needed him badly.
We also could have used Barbosa. The pace of the game was completely in favor of the Lakers, and Barbosa could have rescued us. Given, it was the second leg of a back-to-back and the energy wasn’t there. However, the lack of execution on the offensive end was just too much.
Rebounding also killed us.
Important: Did anyone else notice how Robin Lopez shut down Bynum during that stretch in the fourth quarter? This could be the answer for the next two against the Lakers.
Until then, though, bring on the Mavericks.
by ArizonaBornandBred on Dec 7, 2009 12:19 AM MST reply actions
Disagree with fedres & stephens
Yes, the Lakers were really hot shooting from the outside tonight, but I thought it was pretty clear that was because the Suns made such an effort to try to limit the points in the paint (after LA had 78 of them in the last matchup) that they were willing to concede the outside to a large extent. Gasol, Bynum and Odom combined for only 31 points tonight, and I think that speaks pretty clearly about where Phoenix’s defensive focus was at. But when you really try to limit things inside, it opens things up outside, hence all the threes.
Also, Phoenix may just have a super-hot shooting night against the Lakers at some point, but from the looks of things it won’t be because the Laker D suddenly gives up a bunch of uncontested jumpers. The fact that the Suns attempted only 13 threes tonight speaks pretty loudly about how little the Lakers were giving the Suns defensively. The bottom line for me is that if the Lakers can get away with switching Pau Gasol onto Nash on the perimeter and Nash doesn’t burn them for doing so, then there really isn’t gonna be much the Suns can do against LA. Maybe that’s just a testament to how big and long the Lakers are, because even with Gasol out there on the perimeter defensively, the Lakers’ interior D was still packed in there with Bynum, Odom or Artest guarding the rim. Normally if Nash gets that switch on a big man, he can lure him out of the paint and then drive into a now-weak interior, but that wasn’t the case tonight. Instead Nash had to settle for either swinging it around the perimeter or attempting high-arching shots over Gasol’s outstretched hands.
by WildYams on Dec 7, 2009 3:01 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
88 points
I think it’s pretty clear where the Suns got beat here: a smothering Laker D. The Suns had very few open looks, aside from Amare’s jumpers. Giving him that keeps him out of the lane, preventing him from becoming an and-1 machine.
And until the Suns make some kind of adjustment offensively, apparently switching a big on to Nash has solved the riddle of how to take him out of a game.
Also, the road-heavy Suns schedule comes into play as the frequent travel eliminates practice days taking a lot of the crispness out of their nascent and simplified defensive schemes. I expect that to tighten up as they get more consistent dates at home.
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Lakers have to much size and experience
While the Suns were getting mugged keep this in mind. The Lakers have been playing the triangle together for 3 years with the exception of Artest. The Suns have not. I was impressed with Phoenix in a lot of areas. 1. Nash is the best PG in the NBA hands down. 2. Amare shoots very well from the outside for a big man. 3rd. I’m impressed by your bench and you have injuries. I think the Suns will get better. They are a scoring machine but play poor defense. Just like the Lakers did 2 years ago. I’ve heard rumors that some want Amare gone but if you keep this team intact have a big man learn to play the post play some D, and play inside out basketball you’ll be a very good team.
This game didn't happen
As painful as it might be, at this point in season we aren’t on the same plane as the Lakers and especially not in anything less than ideal circumstances regarding rest and having all our guys…
Dallas will be a good test as will Orlando at home on Friday. Denver Saturday on the road? Not likely but then we have the Spurs at home Wednesday which should be another good measuring stick game and then even Portland on the road after that.
I am just going to pretend last night didn’t happen. The lack of ball movement and the tendency for too many of the starters to try and go iso and win the game themselves….didn’t happen. Moving on and oh btw, Go Cards! Holy Cow what a win
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by Seth Pollack on Dec 7, 2009 7:26 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
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I agree with Stan…last night never happened. As for everyone complaining about the schedule, just wait until the second half of the season. I would much rather play the easier portion of the schedule after the All-Star break and hopefully be able to be a little fresher going into the playoffs. Oh…and GO CARDS! Not going to lie, I watched the Suns game during timeouts of the Cards game as I was watching ol’ man Favre get torn up!
ArizonaBornandBred mentioned Rolo shutting down Bynum
did anyone else see this? can anyone elaborate? i must have missed that but wanna hear more…
No penetration
Suns played too soft, afraid of the lane. Only 11 attempts from the line?
I wouldn't really say the Suns are soft
One doesn’t want to fall in the trap of making excuses for his team, but let’s face it, the team’s early-season schedule is brutal, both in strength of schedule, road heaviness, and the number of back to backs against elite teams. The Suns have two starters in their mid-30s, so back to back night games are going to be uphill battles. The Laker early-season schedule is very home-heavy, but their strength of schedule has still been pretty strong. The good thing for the Suns and the tough thing for the Lakers is that when January comes around, their respective situations will be reversed. While I think a Laker team at full strength is superior to the current Suns, a more accurate head-to-head evaluation will take place in Phoenix later this month when the Suns are more rested.
Lopez did a good job on Bynum. He has size and good footwork defensively, and would probably have to force Bynum into his secondary moves the next time they play. He stopped Bynum’s primary move on one or two occasions last night. Bynum didn’t get the ball more often last night simply because the Lakers have other good offensive options.
Schedules have been overhyped.
Much has been discussed about the amount of Laker home games vs. the amount of Phoenix away games so far this season, in this article and thread. I have to concede that the schedulers gave Phoenix no favors placing 2 away Laker games on the end of back to backs. True, the Lakers have had a lot of home games so far, and Phoenix has had a lot of away games. As a Laker fan I am not too concerned for 2 reasons (with regards to Phoenix). The first reason involves the quality of the teams the respective teams have faced. The combined record of Phoenix’s opponents this year has been 199-219 for a 47.6% win/loss percentage. The Lakers opponent’s record has been a combined 187-190 for a 49.6% win/loss percentage. If you look at the number of teams LA and Phoenix have had to face that have had records above .500 (teams likely to give a good fight), Phoenix has faced 7 opponents out of 21 games, meaning 33.3% of the teams Phoenix has faced have had a winning record. As far as the Lakers are concerned, 10 opponents out of 19 have had winning records (56.2%). If you throw out Phoenix vs. Laker head to head matchups, only 5 out of 19 of Phoenix’s opponents have had winning records (26.3%), vs. 8 out of 17 for the Lakers (47.1%).
My second reason why I am not concerned, is that last year the Lakers had the best road record in the NBA. We are not talking about Portland, Denver, or Cleveland here (teams that feast on home games and sweat out the roadies). Also the Lakers this year will hit the road with the added benefit of an all star caliber center that was missing most of last year. This is no excuse for last year’s performance (best road record needs no excuses). This is only to note how they are potentially better this year. Furthermore, it is no coincidence that all three of the Laker’s losses (this year) came while Pau Gasol was injured. Again this is no excuse, as the best record in the NBA needs no excuses. This is only to note how potentially better they will be for the remainder of the year.
As I said earlier, the schedulers did the Suns no favors by placing 2 away Laker games on the end of back to backs. But like the future away schedule, I am not sweating the 2 upcoming roadies in Phoenix. This is because the Lakers simply match up well with the Suns. The Sun’s matchup problems start in the front court. I would argue that right now the Lakers have the strongest front court in the NBA. Offensively they are very efficient; they pass the ball well and rebound. On defense they are long, athletic, move their feet and rebound. The Sun’s offensively feast on the pick and roll, but the Lakers’ bigs rotate well. The Lakers’ big’s athleticism prevents the Suns from running them off the court. Furthermore the Sun’s center is a 3 point specialist and their power forward is in love with 16 foot jumpers. This creates 2 big problems: one is that these are low percentage shots with a small chance of an offensive rebound. Second, outside jumpers result in few fouls. Do you really think the foul disparity is a result of some conspiracy here? The Lakers power inside game combined with the Suns big’s love for outside jumpers inevitably results in a disparity of foul calls. If you want more foul calls, attack the basket.
Oh yeah, that is just the front court, now add Kobe Bryant to the equation. Things get a little better for the Suns in the back court, but not much. Steve Nash is a great offensive player, but his favorite play is the pick and roll (a play that the Lakers cover well). Defensively, he is just plain awful. If Derek Fisher is a bad defender (he is, but is playing fewer minutes), Steve Nash is worse (but is playing more minutes). Both are old, but as I said earlier, the Lakers can D up on the Sun’s favorite play. Also if Derek Fisher gets beat, the Lakers can rely on strong interior defense to back him up. Steve Nash and the Suns. . . not so much. Jason Richardson is a good SG, but he simply does not match up well with Kobe.
Put simply the, Lakers squad seems designed to expose weaknesses in the Suns roster. For the Suns to win is seems that the Lakers would have to fall in love with the 3 point shot and forget to pound the ball inside (something they have done in the past).
When all is said and done, given that the Suns and the Lakers play in the same division, they will have virtually an identical schedule. Maybe you might want to say that the Suns have a harder schedule because they have to play 4 games against the Lakers, while the Lakers have to play the same 4 games against the Suns. I think we can exclude those games for this comparison. The gist of this article and thread seems to be that the Lakers easy schedule means that they are really worse than their 16-3 record reflects, conversely this article and posts seem to imply that the Suns are better than their 15-6 record. Projected out over the season this would leave the Lakers with a 69-13 record, the Suns would have a 59-23 record. While I think the Lakers will fade, a bit, I would not at all be surprised with 65-67 wins. I would also not be surprised with the Suns ending at 59-23. In the end I pretty much do believe that the team’s current records pretty much will reflect the overall season outcome.
Matt

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