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[Insert Team Name] Bests Phoenix, and US Beats Mexico

The three most exciting sporting events I've been to are as follows (in no particular order):  Game 5 of the Suns-Clippers series (aka, Raja Bell's 3-point shot), Game 5 of the Suspension Series with the Sp*rs and the US-Mexico friendly at the Cardinals' stadium.

If I was forced to choose which event had the most energy and intensity, it would be the soccer match.  It'd be a close call.  However, there big difference was the lack of acrimony.  The loud, obnoxious, screaming Mexico fans were loud, obnoxious and screaming in a playful way.  No hard feelings, just pure excitement.  Quite a difference from the Suspension Series.

Remember when the Suns' games used to be fun?  Like the 2005-2006 season?  Raja's 3-pointer?

Star-divide

I watched the US beat Mexico. 

Occassionally, I drifted back to the annoying tag team of Leander and Williams.  It's just too painful to listen to those guys when you're also watching a painful game.

Sure, the Suns had some moments.  That was a great first quarter.  Both teams going at each other.  Flashes of defense on both sides.  Good passing.  I'd bet that from the perspecitive of an NBA fan without an allegiance to either team, it was great basketball -- for the first quarter.  There was also a spurt in the third where the Suns kept it close.

However, the Cavs showed why they are a great team.  The dominated and punished when it counted.  They pulled away from the Suns in the second.  When the Suns got close in the third, they pulled away again.  In the fourth, they were up by 20+ at one point.

It really doesn't help to give up two dozen turnovers and over a dozen offensive boards.

I know all this because I did flip back to the Suns occassionally.  That's all I really needed to do to get the gist of what was going on.  Of course, after the US-Mexico match was over I watched the final, painful end of the Cavs-Suns game.  I still hold onto this notion that if I watch the painful moments, the good moments are that much better.  Well, that and I can't stand most of the garbage on television today that do not involve sports in some manner.  You know, "A bad day fishing ..."

The US team has dominated its CONCACAF division over the last decade.  CONCACAF is the FIFA division to which the US and Mexico belong.  They are the two top teams in the division.  There are several FIFA divisions around the world.  Leaders from each division are invited to the World Cup and have other tournaments and such (e.g., the CONCACAF Gold Cup).

Since 2000, the US is 40-0-10 in CONCACAF play on its home turf (I think that's the stat I saw during the match -- it might have been in CONCACAF World Cup qualifiers).  The US is also 9-0-2 against Mexico at home since 1999.

Of course, the division sucks.  Mexico and US have had some, limited success at the World Cup.  However, each team generall underachieves -- or, at least they do from their fans' perspectives.  That being said, the Mexico fans were a blast to be around.  Even when they lost.  I've never been to a World Cup, but my friends who have describe the same atmosphere.

I'm not sure what my point is.  I just found the juxtaposition interesting.

I don't blame Sarver for wanting to get under the luxury tax.  The Phoenix fan base is so fickle that I'm sure the Suns are going to have trouble selling tickets next year.  I'm not calling either side out, I'm just stating the situation.  Why should the Suns put money into a pot for all other teams to receive if the Suns are an 8-seed or in the lottery?

There are things I'd do before trading Amare.  Even with Shaq having a great year, I'd trade him for a bag of donuts and some coffee.  That would be a boon to the payroll and he doesn't have Amare's long-term upside.  If I wasn't concerned about season ticket renewals, I'd also probably do the un-thinkable.

No matter what happens, there are dark days ahead, Suns fans.  The headline above will be reusable.  The question in regard to rebuilding is no longer "if" but "how long."

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I'd trade Shaq ASAP too.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 12, 2009 9:43 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thank you..

for not stating the unthinkable.

by brian13 on Feb 12, 2009 10:12 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

i'll state it

Trade Nash. Trade Shaq. Have a core of LB at the point, J-Rich ar the 2, and Amare at the 4. Over time make that core better through freeagency, trades, draft, etc. I wouldn’t doubt we would be a lottery team for a couple years, but I wouldn’t mind.

by Funky Flapsack on Feb 12, 2009 10:15 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Awesome comparison

never would have thought of it. Mexico fans are a lot like Suns fans. They have a lot of talent in their team, they put a lot of preassure on the team’s coaching staff. I would never take that coaching job. They always feel their team is better than their rival (US) but most of the times they lose against them. (Spurs anyone?).

I don’t want the Suns to blow it yet, I’m in denial man.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Feb 12, 2009 10:33 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

You know, I have no problem at all being a fan of a rebuilding team, as long as the team seems to care and tries to compete. I’d rather watch a team that fights to the end and just doesn’t have the tools to win than a team that has the tools to beat anyone but not the fight.

In my view, blow the whole thing up except for Barbosa, Jason Richardson, Lou Amundson, and maybe Jared Dudley (gotta have a few bench guys who just hustle and bang around for 10-15 minutes a night), and just get to rebuilding. Snag a nice young guy in the Amare trade that you can make your #1 option on offense (preferably Beasley), collecting some strong draft picks while you’re in the lottery, and make some reasonable free agent pickups.

Don’t trade Shaq unless it’s for expiring contracts or a handful of young talent. Don’t do anything that’ll impede getting his money off the books. We might not be able to move Shaq or Nash this year, but definitely let them walk in 2010, unless you can re-sign Nash at the veteran’s minimum, AS A BACKUP.

And, for Christ’s sake, if you have talented young guys and rookies, PLAY THEM MORE THAN 10 MINUTES A GAME. I’d even start them, as long as you believed they could be starters in the future.

I’m really surprised the Suns have not learned that lesson. I mean, just look at guys like Mario Chalmers, Brooke Lopez, George Hill, etc. Guys who weren’t picked especially high, but had trusting coaches who gave them lots of playing time and the freedom to make mistakes.

On a team like the Suns, as presently constructed, they couldn’t give rookies playing time, because they’re trying to win a title. On a rebuilding team, that pressure isn’t there.

by jburning on Feb 12, 2009 11:48 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

That would be very true

if the coach had control over those decisions and those the players…

by Phoenix Stan on Feb 12, 2009 11:49 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Porter has a very bland personality, it seems like. Maybe the players don’t respect, because they can’t relate

by Funky Flapsack on Feb 12, 2009 12:15 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

It seems like every team gets about 4 to 6 years of success, then they have two terrible seasons. Those two terrible seasons give them a draft pick (like Duncan, Stoudemire, Howard, Paul, Durant), that, if developed correctly, give them another period of 4 to 6 years of success. It’s the Suns’ time again. SSOL is over. However, right now, the Suns have a chance to make the rebuilding period less embarrassing than Marbury’s tenure in AZ was. I saw we take that chance.

by jburning on Feb 12, 2009 12:30 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

but who's the next badass?

who can we get in the draft? This year if we dont make the playoffs, we still dont likely get a high pick, unless we get as lucky as Chicago last year. Next year we don’t have a pick. Our best chance is to trade Amare (which i still don’t agree with) to a crap team, and get a 2010 1st-rounder in return

by Funky Flapsack on Feb 12, 2009 1:02 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think this year would count as one of our terrible seasons, since we’re probably going to finish over .500. But, maybe we’ll get lucky, get #1 or #2 and draft either Blake Griffin or Ricky Rubio.

by jburning on Feb 12, 2009 1:14 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Crap, forgot we gave away all of our picks. Stupid Sarver!

by jburning on Feb 12, 2009 1:29 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

thank god for the cba

you’re not allowed to trade future picks consecutive years, so we actually have our 09 first rounder!

WOOOO!!!!!

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 12, 2009 2:47 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

i hear Rubio is sick wit it

by Funky Flapsack on Feb 12, 2009 1:19 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Awesome

I love hearing Americans describe football, great job Stan! Mexico have no talent though. Period.

by nash-n-burn on Feb 12, 2009 1:49 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

but I didn’t write this one. Credit goes to JSun who fancies himself a player of the beautiful game

by Phoenix Stan on Feb 12, 2009 2:05 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

"beautiful"

I do play the game, but I’m not so sure the game I play is the beautiful version

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Feb 12, 2009 6:50 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Whoops!

Sorry JSun, really should pay a bit more attention to what I’m reading. Must have been my Stan man-crush clouding my vision. He’s so witty.

by nash-n-burn on Feb 13, 2009 12:54 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

mephis deal nixed

just heard on gambo and ash

by Funky Flapsack on Feb 12, 2009 2:11 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that’s been going around the news today. I also read that Miami is again the frontrunner. I’ve also read that there’s already a deal done, they just aren’t going to announce it until after the All-Star game. Who knows. I wish they’d just take the Miami deal.

by jburning on Feb 12, 2009 2:20 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Kerr and Sarver suffer from the same delusion that a lot of us do: that the grass is greener on the other side, and they are(hopefully) finding out that it really, really isn’t.

by Diosnomeama on Feb 13, 2009 4:17 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

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