Parsing the Words; Should the Suns Pick up Nash's Option Next Year?
As a cold-hearted lawyer who picks on small inconsistencies and words and twists to my own financial benefit, I could have a field day with what's been coming out of the mouths of the Suns' brass and the players.
In case you missed them, this article, this article, this blog and this site. I'm sure there's a bunch of other stuff out there, too, but these bites are more than enough. A couple days ago on the radio, Gambo said that Amare is trouble in the locker and is going to get moved. Amare, for his part, is confusing. Perhaps he is confused ...
He gets a lot of mixed messages, and he sends them out. A few months ago, when asked about the summer of 2010, he said he'd "explore all options" and "do what is best for his situation." He tempered that be saying he loved the Suns, loved Phoenix, loved his situation, etc., but he never said Phoenix was his number one priority.
Now, he's saying he wants to stay long-term, he wants to be a building block of a championship. He is -- understandably so -- confused as to why someone who has done so much for the community and kept himself clean and been such a basketball force can even be considered a movable part.
He's not perfect, but he is a good example. He is a true American Success Story. Colangelo used to move great players because of character problems. Now, a great role model is being moved for money?
I won't repeat my earlier postings, but Sarver has a right (and, possibly, a duty) to cut costs on a failing team. But Amare would significantly improve at least 25 other teams in the league. Tim Duncan and Joe Johnson think so.
At the same time that Amare claims to want to be here, he is implicating his teammates. For example, his notorious "team captains" quote last week. This week, he says that he's "done everything right" and hasn't "been getting DUIs."
The one most confusing is his comment that he's not sure if the team's still committed to winning a championship or throwing away this year. Can't the Suns throw away this year and be committed to winning a championship down the road?
I think he makes a point without knowing it. If this year is a goner, what is the best way to make a run for a championship soon? Building around draft picks and expiring contracts? Or, building around a guy with career averages of 21 and 8 who is entering his prime? Forget the fact that he's never going to be a guy like MJ, KG or TD. After that, he's pretty high on the list.
I've mentioned doing the unthinkable. TEXSun has posted as to why it's the only fair thing to do. Shaq is not going anywhere. If Kerr could move him, Stan would have to add 20 genius points (1 point for every $1M). Amare should not be moved, unless there is a blockbuster in return. The Suns can cut salary by moving Nash. The Suns also have a team option on Nash next year for $13M. Save some space and let him roam free in New York. Pair him up with LeBron after 2010. The Knicks and D'Antoni would average about 125 a game.
If the Suns can't trade him, or set up some sort of sign-and-trade after the season ends (which would not negatively impact season ticket sales as much as moving him next Thursday), then just let him out of his contract.
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I say do it. Anything to move on from this era. It’s over and we have to face facts. However, they ought to secure a decent point guard first or in the same off-season.
by jburning on Feb 14, 2009 10:05 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Get him the hell out of this mess.
Trade him to NYK or TOR, we owe him that much at least.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Feb 14, 2009 11:17 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Yes
after Shaq and Amare are no longer in town.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Feb 14, 2009 1:53 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Keep him
not for any financial reasons, I guess I’m just sentimental. It was sad for me to see when Ewing and Olajuwon got traded away towards the end of their careers after doing so much for their respective teams.
by Diosnomeama on Feb 14, 2009 2:13 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
This is a topic
That I’ve been avoiding for a long time. I guess I can’t run away from it forever. I don’t think is smart for Sarver/Kerr to move Nash. He is still the face of the franchise and it’s not like he is not performing well. He has lost a step and seems tired (Porter has been playing him a lot) but he remains one of the top 5 PGs in this very tough league. Wait til 2010 and then let him go if he wants to. Nash is by far my favorite player and it’ll be tough for me to watch him go. I guess I’m that selfish. :(
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
by PanamaSun on Feb 14, 2009 4:18 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
My head says let him go.
But my heart says no.
by Azreous on Feb 14, 2009 7:01 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Tough call
It makes the most sense of their potential maneuvers, but he IS the face of the franchise. But unless there are some serious issues with Amare that I’m not aware of, it does make more sense to keep him instead of the 35 year old point guard with the creaky back.
by Mike Lisboa on Feb 15, 2009 1:57 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Season Ticket sales would plummet
I don’t know how the banker could rationalize such a move.
At this point the franchise is a mess. And given the multiple sources indicating no one really likes Sarver, I wouldn’t put it past him, but if he lets the face of the franchise go then I don’t know how many people will bail. And in this economy I can only imagine that he doesn’t have the money to bail out the Suns if they don’t have a ton of season-ticket sales.
by ArizonaCactus on Feb 15, 2009 6:27 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
What a mess
Personally, I think the Suns blew it in regard to the post-Nash season ticket sales by egging on the anti-Amare sentiment. Otherwise, I truly believe the Suns could have worked out a cap-friendly buyout with Nash on the partial guarantee of his last year (or traded him for youth and draft picks), sent him on his way to the contender of his choosing, and rebuilt around Amare without the season ticket holders missing a beat. If they weren’t so bent on dumping Amare at this point, maybe they even still could.
Fans of Amare have been waiting a LONG time for the day when he would officially be handed the keys to the franchise. They were even ready to prematurely anoint him as such last season with all the “MVP” chants. I personally can’t stand Amare’s bragging. It grates on me like someone scraping their fingernails on a chalk board. I expect it’s even more annoying to his teammates in the locker room. But I’ve long since realize that when it comes to the fans, I’m pretty much in the minority on that as long as Amare backs up his bragging by playing the way he’s capable of—and Amare seems to play better when he believes the team is centered around him (e.g., last season). In any case, I still think any deficiency of Amare could be covered up by surrounding him with the right personnel that catered to his strengths while covering for his weaknesses, and most fans would eventually be proud to cheer for “Amare’s team”. But seeing as how it sounds like the Suns are now intent on trading Amare no matter what, I guess that’s water under the bridge.
So, now the Suns are (finally) going to admit the Porter mistake, and according to Coro’s latest (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2009/02/15/20090215spt-sunsporter.html) return back to their previous system. But minus Amare, minus Marion, minus Bell, D’Antoni, and yes, even Diaw. I’m not sure whether to cheer, cry, or run for cover. Interesting times….
by TexSUN on Feb 15, 2009 8:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, ownership has seemingly made mistake after mistake after mistake. I just don’t see the light at the end of the tunnel. Without significant improvements in ownership this team can’t go anywhere.
Stability is what helps organizations survive downturns, both in personnel and overall economic fluctuations. This franchise has nothing in the way of stability. If they keep rocking the boat trying to get it stable, momentum will eventually lead to it sinking.
I think I’m going to cry. While I run for cover.
by ArizonaCactus on Feb 15, 2009 9:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
why would they plummet?
Sure, they’ll go down, but I don’t think they’ll plummet. We all know this is a bandwagon town. If the team can stay competitive, the people will still show up.
by Funky Flapsack on Feb 15, 2009 9:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that this is a bandwagon town, but in this time of economic hardship, even the bandwagon $30,000 millionares won’t be able to swallow paying for tickets over their essential needs
by ArizonaCactus on Feb 15, 2009 9:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
$30k millionaires
can’t afford to go
they just take pictures outside the arena to go with the pics they take at the Mercedes dealerships
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Feb 15, 2009 10:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep Him, Why Not?
Maybe he will play better of Gentry brings back the wide open offense. But I agree with ArizonaCactus, season tix sales are going to go down anyway, but they would plummet if Nash was gone.
by Desert Ball on Feb 15, 2009 7:39 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Gotta keep Nash this year
I still think this team is WAY too talented to be performing at such a level. I can only surmise that
getting rid of Porter will be worth a few extra wins.
by ArizonaCactus on Feb 15, 2009 9:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
im on the same boat… i don’t want to see him go but i also dont want his talents go to waste for a team that isnt going anywhere as they are currently constituted
I'm just like you, only ten times better.
by noonoo on Feb 15, 2009 7:42 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
but I’m just selfish enough that I don’t want Nash to go unless he wants to leave. He’s the person that brought me back to the Suns after years of disinterest (mine) following Barkley’s departure.
by TwinnerA on Feb 15, 2009 8:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Similar story, but different thoughts
I was also enticed back into watching the NBA again by Nash and the Suns. Not only that, but having the Suns to watch helped me get through a very tough time in my personal life a few years back by providing the perfect distraction to take my mind off of it. Maybe it’s because of that I want to return the favor I guess. I want Nash to finish his career on a team that has a chance of winning it all, and where he can really play like Nash again. I want the Suns to be all pointed firmly in the same direction around a system they can believe in—even if it has to be a radically different system than the one that brought me back to the league in the first place.
What drew me to the Suns of 2004-07 was their resilience. The way they all seemed to care about each other and played like they never wanted the season to end. Now, that seems shattered beyond repair. If I thought it was possible for them to find it again with the personnel they currently have, I would, of course, never suggest trading Nash. But as it stands, with the team seemingly giving up the championship quest for now and going into money-saving mode, letting Nash go in exchange for younger (and perhaps more defensive-minded) talent seems the only fair thing to do—for both Nash and the Suns.
by TexSUN on Feb 15, 2009 9:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I only mentioned the unthinkable
if the Suns were committed to moving away from a style exploiting Nash’s skills while be concerned about money
If both factors aren’t there, it shouldn’t be an option
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Feb 15, 2009 10:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If...
Nash and Shaq’s contracts are off the books in 2010, and we happen to re-sign Amare, then maybe one of the high-profile free agents will sign with us.
by Funky Flapsack on Feb 15, 2009 9:36 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I can see Nash getting picked up by the Mavs
going on a righteous tear with Dirk and punishing the suns for letting him go b/c we thought he was too rundown…
by ZonaFlash on Feb 16, 2009 2:19 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Not a chance
That would mean Mark Cuban admitting he was wrong about something. Can’t see it happening.
by TexSUN on Feb 16, 2009 2:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
he says he would still do the j-kidd for devin harris deal.
’nuff said
by ArizonaCactus on Feb 16, 2009 2:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You're probably right.
But perhaps the Warriors getting to run Nellie’s system again…
by KJ7 on Feb 16, 2009 3:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The fact
that this is even a question is a sign of the sad times that have befallen the Suns.
We are truly in the presense of greatness hereā¦-- unnamedDBacksfan
by DbacksSkins on Feb 16, 2009 5:25 PM MST reply actions 0 recs


















