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Bittersweet ending, Porter finally out.

Party is over, everyone has left. Hotel rooms are empty and for those of us who follow the Phoenix Suns, a bunch of questions remain unanswered. Let me start by saying that I love All Star weekend and that I was looking forward to it this year since it was at Phoenix but I found it hard to enjoy it with all of the trade talks and rumors about Amar'e and Porter. The worst part is that I know a bunch of people felt that way and I'm sure that David Stern didn't appreciate any of the backstage drama either.

Back when I wrote Part 1 of the season preview series, most of us agreed that it was time for a change, that our up tempo style had been studied, dissected and deciphered and that we really needed to step up on the defensive end if we wanted to get a legitimate shot at the championship. All of us knew that this task was going to be difficult with the type of players that we have. They played 4 years for a coach who didn't practice nor taught defense and only preached offense, three of our starters are not good defenders (to say the least), most of the players were put together to fit one style only.

Think about it, this was not an easy job to take.

Star-divide

Porter's job was to come in and focus on defense. To get into these player's heads and make them understand that everything starts with not allowing the other team to score. That you can only be so good on offense and you know...get stops from time to time. I applauded his eagerness to make these type of changes but I think everything went downfall when he tried to put his own stamp in The Suns offensive strategy.

The Big Dilemma

Porter claimed that The Suns needed to use Shaq more often, pound the ball on the post and slow the game down. It's hard to blame him for going to Shaq. The Big Cactus was looking like his old self.  He seemed more agile, his great low post moves were back: The baby hooks, the low post spin and dunks. But by over using him, he limited our other scorers to just watch and stand around while Shaq did his thing. Opposing teams liked this strategy because it's the same one they have always used against us with Nash. Make him a scorer and not a distributor. Only this time we did it to ourselves and we transformed Nash into a "regular point guard". Let's not forget that Shaq was not able to sustain his outbursts. We have said it a bunch of times, there would be times where he was destroying the other teams in the first half, only to score 6 in the second half. Porter's strategy to feed Shaq so often became predictable just like D'Antoni's run n gun.

D'Antoni's Shaq strategy:

Coach Mike wanted Shaq, let's not forget that. Shaq was happy to come here as a role player, he said that himself. During the last 20 games of the regular season last year, the Suns became unpredictable again. Here's why:

  • a) The Suns would still run, but this time they would slow down the game whenever they wanted to. Teams had no idea when the Suns were going to run or give the ball to Shaq on the post.
  • b) Shaq rested for large periods of time. This was done for the purpose of not clogging the lane and let Amar'e and Nash do their thing. Not to mention that it kept him fresh for whenever he was asked to be the primary scoring option. Do you guys remember the game were he just dominated the Spurs in the second half?
  • The reason that I bring this up now is because I'm expecting Gentry to do exactly this.

Porter's Issues:

Rotations: We noticed that this was an issue since day one. At first I thought that we were so used to coach Mike's rotations that maybe it felt weird to actually use the bench. Maybe Porter was trying to figure out which lineups had more chemistry and who played better with whom. This was going to get better with time. It didn't. Porter pulled out players when they were hot, Nash was playing a bunch of minutes,  He insisted in playing Barnes before LB. Not having consistent rotations can cause turnovers and confusion among players.

Reluctance to run: This came as a surprise to me. Having watched TP in his prime. I thought he understood the importance of a fast break. There were games where we finished with less than ten fast break points and even ones that we finished with None. If that's not misusing our players I don't know what is.

Not earning his player's Trust: It's hard for me to believe that Porter lacks leadership skills. He was an outstanding PG and to be able to reach that level you have to be a good leader. Maybe he's the type of coach who should only work with a young staff until he gets more experience or maybe Suns players are spoiled millionaires who are so enamored with D'Antoni's system that they just refused to accept any changes. I'll leave that up to debate.

Final Thoughts

Everyone agreed that it would have been better to hire an experienced coach. It's not Terry's fault that he couldn't do the job. If someone is not able to do a specific job it's the employers fault for hiring in the first place. That's Human Resources 101. I don't have any doubts that Terry was trying to please his employers by following Kerr's instructions. Kerr is not off the hook on this one. He did have the guts to fire someone he hired, therefore, accepting his mistake publicly. You got to give him that. I'm sure that he's aware that this leaves a huge stain in his resume.

Once again we are left with a lot of questions and doubts. I guess we can only watch and keep our fingers crossed that this works out for our beloved team's sake.

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My biggest concern

is that all this drama really only reflects one thing.

Steve Kerr, the general manager of the Phoenix Suns, knows nothing about the abilities and inabilities of the Phoenix Suns’ players. Whether it was players ego, or inability, or Porter’s tactics, it really all falls on Steve.

Who can trust a GM that doesn’t even understand his own team and players?

by ArizonaCactus on Feb 16, 2009 2:52 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

to our dog of a franchise

it’s about 2.3 dog-years. So i say, yes, to the end of an era.

by ArizonaCactus on Feb 16, 2009 3:11 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe we have a discussion of this in the archives.

it was determined that using the definition of era to mean an indeterminate amount of time worked, long duration isn’t necessary. (So just don’t mention the 4 month thing)

by ZonaFlash on Feb 16, 2009 3:21 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are right.

Gentry is going to do exactly what we did the last part of last season. The problem is that I don’t think we have the personnel to do what we did last year. I don’t think in any instance the floor spacing is going to be there. Our three point shooters in my opinion don’t scare anybody enough to give Amare and Nash room to work anymore. Barbosa has been the only one remotely consistent from the outside and 1 player isn’t going to be enough.

"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi

by antiw0rm on Feb 16, 2009 3:13 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

and Gentry is no D'Antoni

good or bad, all coaches who advertise themselves as a D’Antoni have been shown to be impostors. Mainly Iavaroni and Del Negro.

by ZonaFlash on Feb 16, 2009 3:22 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Del Negro's an idiot.

Iavaroni had a turrible roster, I’m still interested in him….

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 16, 2009 4:34 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed...

The lack of legitimate 3 pt threats is completely out of line with D’Antoni’s system. Then again, maybe barbosa/jrich/barnes will come alive behind the line in the new system… actually no Barnes won’t.

by bangbang240 on Feb 16, 2009 3:34 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

i actually believe that Barnes will be MUCH better in a faster paced system. I just hope he no longer gets priority in the minutes scale over Barbosa.

then again, he couldn’t be much worse than he is now, so anything would be an improvement.

by ArizonaCactus on Feb 16, 2009 3:47 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Barnes loves uptempo man, "WE BELIEVE!"

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 16, 2009 4:34 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Barns.

I hope so. Otherwise we need to fill his spot with somebody more useful. I do however like his toughness and willingness to fight. Something we need a little more of on this team at times.

"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi

by antiw0rm on Feb 16, 2009 4:48 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I..

… just don’t like Barnes really. I intended that last bit of the comment as a joke.

by bangbang240 on Feb 16, 2009 5:27 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

No 3-point shooters? How many do you want? How many were on the team last year?

Nash still hits close to half.
Barbosa is having an off-year and still in the high 30s (his average suffered from the early-season difficulties).
If Richardson doesn’t get carted-out JC-style, he can still hit them — and hit them better than the slumping Bell.
I don’t mind Barnes taking them if he’s wide open — but that sort of statement would probably go through his ears as “shoot as often as you can”
Hill inside the three-point is consistent (think long baseline shot)

The only “3 point threat” we’re missing from last year’s team is Marion. The spacing could still be there.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Feb 16, 2009 3:58 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

You're right spacing could still be there.

But I still think that even last year we had been hurt by the lack of threat.

I almost feel lately that Barnes might be better off throwing them up as a no-look backwards shot from half court while being double teamed.

And Richardson has been off and on. While Bell and those guys had a fear already placed in the other team that they will score if you look like you might go help somewhere. Sure the shot slumped towards the end but we also lost more games. Once teams realize that they aren’t hitting those shots they tend to cheat and play more help defense.

And of course Nash is Nash. Hopefully the new system will get him more of his type of looks at the hoop as even he seems to be shooting poorly as of late. Might be his back / shoulder / thigh but time will fix that.

Possibly a Hill, Barbosa, Richardson (if he isnt in jail) could get the job done? I still have my reserves that it would or could work but it is possible. If they figure out how to grab more offensive rebounds in the run and gun style I can see it working for sure.

"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi

by antiw0rm on Feb 16, 2009 4:44 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Marion not much of a threat

In fact, I remember being so disgusted watching him hoist them up

by Funky Flapsack on Feb 16, 2009 5:44 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

...

Richardson was having an awesome year in his 3pt percentage pre-trade but after the trade his number is closer to his career average (.366). I’m not sure if he can hit them like Bell or Q or even JJ (.478 in 04-05!!) did in our former years when D’Antoni’s system was running like clockwork.

Hopefully Barne’s 3 pt accuracy does improve with the new/old system. But his per year averages range from dismal (.158) to decent (.366).

Nash is money, espescially if he gets enough shots per game. Barbosa is better now and will likely flourish under Gentry. Hill does help with the spacing even though teams know he is at his best when slashing to the basket. However I still think we don’t have the same outside threat we used to have.

by bangbang240 on Feb 16, 2009 5:46 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

"Where we going? I don't know!"

“Where we headed? I’m not certain!”
“All I know is we are on our way!”

-Paint your Wagon

by ZonaFlash on Feb 16, 2009 3:53 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Nice reference. Great movie.

Sadly, when I saw the first line, I thought the second one would be “How do we get there? C’mon let’s go!”

That’s from the PBS show “Zaboomafoo.” Having younger siblings continues to be a curse for me.

by Azreous on Feb 16, 2009 4:05 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I bet Shaq will complain

about not getting enough shots. Now instead of having the whole team pissed, Shaq will be the only one wanting Porter back.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Feb 16, 2009 6:12 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Bench him...

…if that happens. So sick of the whining, over-inflated egos on this team. But you’re right. That’s probably exactly what will happen, especially if the Suns don’t turn running into winning right away.

by TexSUN on Feb 16, 2009 7:02 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure Gentry will have the guts to do it

I feel the same way, so sick of the big egos on this team. If we feel that way…imagine how Nash and others feel in the locker room.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Feb 16, 2009 7:52 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I never thought

an owner could have as much influence and use it in such a negative way that Sarver has in such a short time. Sure he pays the bills pays the salaries, but everything he has touched has turned to crap.
 This team will continue to go up and down.
 As my mother use to say " I am so angry I could spit"

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Feb 16, 2009 9:10 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Unless

he wises up and sells the team to someone who actually knows what they’re doing, this will be the norm for a LONG time.

by Diosnomeama on Feb 16, 2009 11:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Good recap

Well put, I wish TP the best!

Sometimes I feel like I'm going in different directions...

by porterfan30 on Feb 17, 2009 12:49 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I just listened to Jalen Rose

On Espn radio and he was saying that the players didn’t give Porter a fair shot. I’m not sure I agree with this 100%. I think everyone’s confused, the front office, the players, coaching staff. They just can’t figure out what type of team they want to be.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Feb 17, 2009 7:24 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

The coaching change just confirms this.

Come on, R&G style team then Shaq joines. Then coaching change to more traditional style of play. Porter then changing style to more R&G. Then the addition of JRich. Now getting rid of Porter to Gentry. It is obvious that the higher ups do not know the direction of the team and they are grasping at straws. I still would not be surprised if Sarver sells the team and leaves. Although, his banks did just get $140 mill from the government so who knows.

by Gorilla Game on Feb 17, 2009 9:56 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Van Gundy

I heard him saying something similar yesterday. I don’t fully agree, either.

Everyone was told that they were going to keep the same offense and tweak the team by instituting a different defense and a deeper bench rotation.

However, Porter’s idea of “defense” was to keep the other side’s possession to a minimum by slowing down the offense. The bench? Yeah, that happened …

Porter, regardless of whether it was his fault, attempted to do much more than the promised “tweaks” — why is it surprising the players didn’t buy in?

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Feb 17, 2009 10:00 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Because is easier to blame the players

I’m sure Kerr wouldn’t have fired Porter if he felt the players were just throwing a tantrum. He’s putting his reputation (what’s left of it) on the line. You saw his face in the press conference, he really felt that Porter was just not clicking with the team. I don’t believe for a second that Nash and Amar’e or any of the players had anything to do with it.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Feb 17, 2009 12:50 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

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