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Trade Deadline - Open Thread

 

Check back -- lots more to come.

Here's a great reference tool when looking at trades and potential trades.

For the definitive look at teams salary situation check this online spreadsheet prepared by Wyn over at Canis Hoopus.

Wyn was also "playing around" and created this history of the Suns trade action over the past few years. I resisted posting this because it is painful to see...but Wyn's hard work deserves your attention. You can click on the image to see it full size.

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[Note by Phoenix Stan, 02/19/09 1:02 PM MST ]

This in under the wire: ESPN NBA - Knicks acquired G Larry Hughes from Bulls for F Tim Thomas

It is possible that things might trickle in in the next hour or so...as @jskeets points out.

 

[Note by Phoenix Stan, 02/19/09 12:53 PM MST ]

Less then 10 minutes to go...looks like a game of GM Chicken is being played out between Danny Ferry and Steve Kerr. Who clucks first?

 

[Note by Phoenix Stan, 02/19/09 10:55 AM MST ]

ESPN reporting (via text alert): Timberwolves acquired Shelden Williams, Bobby Brown from Kings for Rashad McCants, Calvin Booth

 

[Note by Phoenix Stan, 02/19/09 10:39 AM MST ]

Contract-wise Wally and Sasha is better then Big Ben and Sasha but think about a Suns line up without Shaq and no big man in return. Amare and then Lou, Barnes and Lopez?

Rebounding is out the window and you are back to the 06-07 Suns but without Marion and Diaw.

Now, if the Suns could get Wally Z and Verejao...but I don't see the Cavs giving up Andy for Shaq. That would leave them w/ three non-mobile centers and no active defensive bigs.

[Note by Phoenix Stan, 02/19/09 10:04 AM MST ]

Cleveland media reporting discussions w/ Suns about Shaq for Wallace and Sasha

This saves the Suns $2m $5.5m next year and moves Shaq. I am not sure how Ben Wallace looks starting next to Amare. He is a much lesser offensive threat. The real question is can he run the floor and defend the pick and roll better. I frankly don't know. Thoughts on that?

Don't forget that yesterday we heard rumor of JRich to the Cavs for Wally Z which saves the Suns $13m next year and lets LB get starter minutes.

ESPN clarifies contract details, etc.:

Because only $1.5 million of Pavlovic's contract is guaranteed next season, Phoenix would slice $5.5 million off of its 2009-10 payroll if it agreed to send Shaq to the Cavs.

It's believed, though, that the Suns are resistant to taking back Wallace and thus trying to convince Cleveland to part with Wally Szczerbiak's $13.8 million expiring contract instead, which would turn this into a huge financial windfall for Phoenix.

[Note by Phoenix Stan, 02/19/09 08:00 AM MST ]

Six hours to go until the trade deadline. After all the discussions and all the rumors and all the options, I think the Suns will stand pat. Other teams won't.

My pick for the biggest deal to happen today is LaFrenz' contract for Richard Jefferson. I just don't see how Pritchard doesn't improve his team this season using that oh so valuable asset.

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The Hornets were lucky that Chandler failed his physical. That would have been a pretty devastating trade for their chances of doing far in the playoffs. Kinda sucks, though … I thought the Suns would now have one less roadblock in Western conference.

by jburning on Feb 19, 2009 7:52 AM MST reply actions  

Hi I'm new and I want to say

Only Kerr would trade today. He’ll trade Barbosa AND two first round draft picks just to get them off the books.

Oh wait, he can’t do that because we don’t have draft picks to trade. THAT was his first trade he ever made with Kurt Thomas!

by The True Anonymous Coward on Feb 19, 2009 8:06 AM MST reply actions  

...you spit misdirected angst almost every day?

Sarver was pulling the trigger on financial moves before Kerr ever showed up.

by underxthebridge on Feb 19, 2009 8:32 AM MST up reply actions  

there was a ridiculous statement

I don’t remember where saying that Gay is basically an overrated and not very good scorer. I agree, don’t trade AMAR’E for him (though I would love to see him in PHX) but this is crazy

Once upon a time the Suns got out on the break... and along came Steve sucKerr

by Murcy on Feb 19, 2009 10:59 AM MST up reply actions  

that being said

I don’t expect a trade today. It’s not Pritchard’s way to make big mid-seasons trade.

by Cablinasian on Feb 19, 2009 8:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Look at all those "3M cash" we got!!

Seriously, that chart makes me want to gnaw my face off…

by gadogry on Feb 19, 2009 9:32 AM MST reply actions  

I heard that The Celtics

are interested in Raja.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Feb 19, 2009 9:50 AM MST reply actions  

Yahoo Sport sez

Suns-Cavs discussing Shaq for Ben Wallace + Sasha Pavlovic. Doesn’t make basbetball sense at all. Contract wise the two cavs earn 19M next year, a tiny wee bit less than Shaq. And their contracts expire after next season, just like Shaq’s.

So it doesn’t make that much money sense either.

by gadogry on Feb 19, 2009 10:03 AM MST reply actions  

Oh oh OHHH!

ESPN reporting the same thing, adding that Pavlovic’s contract is only partially gaurenteed next year.

I’m sort of OK with Shaq for Wally + Pavlovic, although that deal doesn’t make any basketball sense. Not ok with Shaq for Wallace + Pavlovic. Ben is like Shaq with no offense.

by gadogry on Feb 19, 2009 10:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Thought I was gonna be cool, and break that story here. Too slow :( I personally like the trade a lot.

by jburning on Feb 19, 2009 10:10 AM MST reply actions  

I take that back, got a bit ahead of myself ...

I didn’t realize Ben’s contract ended the same time as Shaq’s. I’ll just say it’s “interesting” for the moment. Ben is the type of player the Suns need … no ego, likes shot blocking and other defensive dirty work.

by jburning on Feb 19, 2009 10:13 AM MST up reply actions  

Ben Wallace

is definitely a shell of himself. Too undersized to play centre in the West. Doesn’t rebound/block shots anymore. Can’t hit free throws. Can’t hit an open 10-footer to save his life when ppl double Amare. And so on and so on. I hate to have Ben Wallace on my team.

by gadogry on Feb 19, 2009 10:45 AM MST up reply actions  

While Ben Wallace has a ridiculous contract for what he does, he’s the type of center the Suns need. A defensive minded guy who’s actually allergic to offense.

by jburning on Feb 19, 2009 10:11 AM MST reply actions  

But can he run

is he a mobile active pick and roll defender? I just don’t know…

by Seth Pollack on Feb 19, 2009 10:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Not sure...

I honestly haven’t watched Wallace’s guy too much. He’s an even worse free-throw shooter than Shaq, though.

by jburning on Feb 19, 2009 10:18 AM MST up reply actions  

Wallace's "game" that is.

I dunno … actually, I don’t like this trade compared with one involving Wally’s expiring contract. It still doesn’t really get the team “over the hump” and it also doesn’t save fiscally. It does, however, cut off Shaq complaining about touches in the new system.

by jburning on Feb 19, 2009 10:19 AM MST up reply actions  

what about sims?

He can rebound, dump shaq off for less and suit of that MVP. Can’t be worse than lopez.

by STUCK IN LA on Feb 19, 2009 11:16 AM MST reply actions  

he can rebound at the D-league

level…he might or might not be able to and this. There’s a reason he’s not yet stuck w/ an NBA team. I think he’s potentially a nice bench big but he’s not ready for big time minutes. Not on a winning team anyway.

by Seth Pollack on Feb 19, 2009 11:19 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree.

Although it’d be nice to see him get a minute at some point here.

by Azreous on Feb 19, 2009 11:25 AM MST up reply actions  

I've watched Big Ben a little this season

he would have to play PF – but still has some hustle and defensive energy, and unlike everyone else on this team, does, in fact, have some ability to defend the pick and roll.
Why doesn’t this trade happen?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=dynzqr
 The cav’s are still getting O’Neal. The Hornets still get rid of Chandler to shed salary, and get some kind of big in return
The Suns shed 7 million at the end of the season, putting them under the luxury tax, and get Chandler, who doesn’t need the ball on offense and plays some semblance of defense.
This seems like a pretty easy trade for all 3 teams to make

by UASun on Feb 19, 2009 11:53 AM MST reply actions  

Shaq for Ben

I worry that Shaq would be sorely missed by the team. Chemistry is more important than stats. Is defense really that important?

by Majerle9 on Feb 19, 2009 12:57 PM MST reply actions  

Is Shaq really that good for chemistry?

Don’t get me wrong. I’m 100% against the Shaq for Wallace trade, mainly because it doesn’t really address in any meaningful manner the biggest issue facing the Suns—cap space. However, it seems to me that the chemistry on this team has been a toxic mix of egos all season, from Shaq complaining of his need to get the “Shaq touches”, to Amare upset over not being voted captain, to Nash complaining about “too many mouths to feed” (not to mention Bell’s and Diaw’s attitude apparently degrading to the point the Suns felt the need to trade them). I wonder if maybe we underrated D’Antoni’s ability to keep all that mostly suppressed? I kind of miss the days when the only complaining we heard was the occasional whine from Marion about lack of respect and the occasional boast from Amare.

by TexSUN on Feb 19, 2009 1:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Good points....

But I don’t think D’Antoni had much to do with keeping egos in check – the winning did that.

by Majerle9 on Feb 19, 2009 1:10 PM MST reply actions  

Possibly...

…but (a) maybe D’Antoni had something to do with the winning (after all, the Suns started the season with the same roster that went 15-5 or whatever it was to close the season last year), and (b) in D’Antoni’s system, if nothing else, things moved fast enough that everyone on the floor got a fair number of shots. Of course, the last 4 guys on the bench were disgruntled from never getting to play, which seems to be something Gentry is trying hard to correct (tough to tell against the Clippers, but looked promising).

by TexSUN on Feb 19, 2009 1:26 PM MST up reply actions  

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