The deal less traveled - Sarver checks in
by Phoenix Stan on Feb 19, 2009 2:53 PM MST
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After weeks of intense speculation, name calling, fruit throwing and trade machining, the deadline has come and past for the Phoenix Suns with no deals done.
- Amare isn't going to the Bulls for Tyrus Thomas and some other "stuff"
- JRich and his arrest record isn't going to the Cavs for Wally World
- The Big Shaqtus isn't going to become the The Big Cleveland Rockus
- Barbosa wasn't sacrificed on the altar of payroll cuts
How are you feeling about it all? Disappointed in the deal not made? Happy with standing pat, with our new team averaging 141 points per game?
Sports KTAR Radio reporting that the Shaq deal to Cleveland for Ben Wallace and a 1st round pick but decided not to do the deal...Sarver himself rejected the deal.
Listen to the interview here:
- Sarver on the radio saying they will figure out the money next year...
- Sarver excited about last two games and about Shaq fitting into the new style...likes the guys
- Sarver stressing that he passed up opportunities to save money while other teams did things to cut payroll. "I am in this business to win." Even if they were mistakes like Banks instead of Rondo it was a basketball decision and not a dollar decision
- Deals might happen this summer - depends on what happens w/ team, ticket sales, the economy, etc
- Emotionally it is a very up and down business (that's part of the problem right there)
- Per Sarver - we weren't that close to trading Amare. We get calls about a lot of our players
- 90% of what's in the paper is nonsense (which means about 99% of what's here is)
- Sunday is an opportunity to make a statement against Boston
[Note by Phoenix Stan, 02/19/09 2:50 PM MST ]
I've given up keeping track of all the last minute deals. Check out the expert(s) over at BDL if you care what happened with the big Will Solomon - Patrick O'Bryant trade.
[Note by Phoenix Stan, 02/20/09 3:44 PM MST ]
A little late - but Kerr gets a Genius Point for not making a trade. It seems pretty clear there were no good offers on the table and so standing pat was the right move. The polling agrees by like 90:1.
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No move is a good move
I’m really excited at the events over the past 48 hours. Clippers or not, there seems to be new level of excitement on the team. Looking forward to the Boston game Sunday.
by Majerle9 on Feb 19, 2009 1:13 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
75% ok with it
The only one of those I sort of wish we’d done is that JRich for Wally, mainly because it pretty much immediately cures the cap space issue without giving up a guy who’d been on the team for ages, nor really hurting the Suns lineup all that much either IMO. Shaq for Wally would have accomplished the cap space thing but without another big in return, would have meant hoping someone useful and big was waived in time for the Suns to pick him up (I would, however, have loved the Shaq for Wally+Varejao deal, but that never stood a chance of happening, so no use thinking of it).
So next season the Suns will have the mother of all expiring contracts, and if they finish out this season strong, maybe season ticket sales will pick up to the point they’ll no longer feel the need to jettison talent merely for the money. Who knows. In any case, big props to Sarver for sucking it up and letting the deadline pass without doing something expedient and bad like LB to Memphis for nothing.
by TexSUN on Feb 19, 2009 1:17 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I'm down w/ letting the calendar roll.
Still wish Rich was driving like a maniac in Cleveland instead of Phoenix though.
Next season, Nash+Shaq’s expirings=CRAZY DELICIOUS
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Feb 19, 2009 1:25 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
One last dance....
for our big 3 (Nash,Amar’e,and Shaq) “Never say die & keep the faith” my fellow suns fan.
by wapsobsidians on Feb 19, 2009 1:44 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
One last dance....
I kind of feel like this is it as well. One final Spring of hope. Less than 2 months to go until playoffs. If the stars align, maybe we’ll get San Antonio in the first round.
by Majerle9 on Feb 19, 2009 1:51 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I'd bet on it
It seems almost certain that if Phx is to make the playoffs that they will get San Antonio for no other reason than that is how it should happen for this team. Of course fighting for a bottom seed while being only a few games back combined with the fact that that SA is comfortably in the 2/3 seed means it is more than likely.
by turs12 on Feb 20, 2009 1:42 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why
But I have a good feeling. I can’t explain it.
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
by PanamaSun on Feb 19, 2009 2:01 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
hey Majerle9
i like the way you say that….“if the stars align” nicely done…let just keep the faith and if that window is closing,then just get a sledge hammer and slam that F*#@%N window to open….we still have “One Last Dance!!!”. GO SUNS GO!!!
by wapsobsidians on Feb 19, 2009 2:06 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
haha, what?!
You guys do know that just because we have Nash and Shaq’s salaries coming off the books doesn’t mean we’ll have free agents flocking to join the Suns, right? What if Stoudemire leaves to join D’Antoni in New York? What other players on the roster would attract a stud player? I’m sure Dwade and Bosh would RUN to play with Dragic,
By the way, the Suns defeated the CLIPPERS, let’s not start thinking the Suns are contenders all of a sudden. Thornton did drop 30+ on our rough-and-tumble defense last night…
by Totalward on Feb 19, 2009 2:24 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Fine w/ me if Stoudemire leaves.
He’s not worth the max extension he wants.
As far as perspective goes, here’s my mindset: we won, and that’s a good thing.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Feb 19, 2009 2:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not so much banking on the Suns signing free agents in 2010, as I am on them using Shaq and Nash’s expiring contracts to trade for good players at the deadline next year.
by jburning on Feb 19, 2009 2:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Free Agents Aren't the best way to go...
They’re expensive and unpredictable. Developing young players works better, and is cheaper. We should try to recover a lot of draft picks from some of the pick hoarders (Portland, OKC, I’m looking at you!)
by presbot on Feb 19, 2009 3:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
funny
I think the opposite. Draft picks are much less predictable and generally take far more time to develop then free agents.
Banks was just a bad mistake.
I can’t find it, but there was a great article on Draft Express showing the % of draft picks at what point in the draft that “panned out” and how long it took them…
Blogging Suns Basketball
by Phoenix Stan on Feb 19, 2009 3:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Draft vs Free agency
Yes, draft picks’ success rate are lower and takes longer to develop, but they get cheap, CHEAP contracts.
To sign a free agent, you almost surely have to overpay.
by gadogry on Feb 19, 2009 5:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds like a good article
I have no info to back me up, so if anyone has a good source, jump in.
It does take a lot of time, but I think it pays off if the long term if a team knows what they want to be and sticks with it. Maybe it doesn’t cut down on mistakes, but it makes them less costly. Getting rid of a Banks on a rookie contract is easier than being stuck with GMtoni’s contract.
I am just playing armchair GM, but I see a lot of the smart teams getting good key players by drafting smart and sticking with it, while a lot of teams get severely burned on free agents.
Damn, Someone just said this in half the words.
by presbot on Feb 19, 2009 5:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
oh
and the Clippers were missing their top three big men. Let’s maintain SOME perspective, dudes.
by Totalward on Feb 19, 2009 2:26 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Perspective
After the first half of this season, I’m going to savor the back2back 140+ nights.
by Majerle9 on Feb 19, 2009 2:30 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
"Once more into the breach!!!!"
With the deals that were aparently on the table I’m happy that we’re standing pat. Now we just got to make something of this season.
"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness
by Turambar on Feb 19, 2009 2:47 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Good interview.
It seems like Sarver is saying the right things. Admitting mistakes, settling down, waiting for the off-season for a top to bottom review of the on- and off-court review of the team.
by Mike Lisboa on Feb 19, 2009 3:21 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, cuz the Sunz are going all da way this year!
And Shaq and Nash have at least more than 3 years left. (cross fingers)
"If you're a Yankee fan, or if you're not a Yankee fan - you have to admit, we're winners." - #21
"Once the Hack-a-Shaq works once, you know I’m going to see it again. The only thing worse for basketball than that defense is the Lack-a-Shaq offense, where I have to go to the bench because of foul trouble. There is no fun in that." - The Big Aristotle
"Pressure is something you feel when you don't know what the hell you're doing." - Peyton
by J-Gao on Feb 19, 2009 3:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
About the Clippers
I don’t care if they were missing 3 of their big men and are lousy to begin with. A Porter led team would of found a way to piss us off. Be it a close game or a loss. That didn’t happen, so that’s what gives me hope
by Funky Flapsack on Feb 19, 2009 3:59 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I guess this is why the Spurs were after Vince Carter
Didn’t understand that that rumor at all until I saw this:
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2009/02/19/20090219spursginobiliout.html
by TexSUN on Feb 19, 2009 4:45 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Look at that poll
123 yes’s versus 12 no’s at this moment. Has there been a more lopsided poll on this website?
by gadogry on Feb 19, 2009 5:56 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I know
what’s even more funny is how much that’s changed since we first started talking trades…I might go back and chart that. That would be fun.
Blogging Suns Basketball
by Phoenix Stan on Feb 19, 2009 6:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Again...
I think when the earlier polls were posted, firing Terry Porter did not seem like it was on the table as an option. The departure of Porter and introduction of Gentry as head coach was a huge factor in the no-trade momentum swing.
by Mike Lisboa on Feb 19, 2009 6:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
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