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Celtics 128, Suns 108: Well, That Happened

Bust!  The 140OB offense officially fizzled today in the face of a disciplined Boston defense.

The Suns' defense, particularly that of Steve Nash, was completely exposed by a disciplined (anyone see a trend here) Boston squad.  Rajon Rondo looked positively all-world today.  In my preview, I completely underestimated RR's ability to take over a game.  It helps to be guarded by the Canadian matador.  As was pointed out multiple times in the game thread, the irony of Nash getting absolutely gored (13-18, 32 points, 10 assists, 6 rebounds, 3 steals) by a player that could have been his protege was particularly galling.

And it's not that Ray Allen (31 points) and Paul Pierce (26 points) didn't make some noise.  It's just that Rondo having his way with Nash keyed the rest of the Celtics offensive domination (63% shooting and a double digit performance from Brian Scalabrine!).  I'm beginning to think that Steve Nash doesn't miss Boris Diaw's playmaking ability nearly as much as he misses his help defense.

Enough picking on Nash, though.  He was after all the only Sun distributing the ball.  Outside of his 11 assists, the rest of the team combined for only 8 additional dimes.  Even with him in the game, the Suns offense noticeably stalled whenever the ball wasn't in his hands (there, I said it, Stan).  Jason Richardson and Matt Barnes tend to force an offensive action instead of looking for a pass to reset and create something new.  And fouls absolutely murdered the pace of the game.  The 140OB (like 7SOL before it) is predicated on not fouling as fouls slow down the game.  The Suns fouled early and often enough to effectively kill their chance at running the Celts off the court after the 1st quarter.

More after the jump...

Star-divide

While there weren't many bright spots for the Suns, I'll enumerate a few of them here:

Goran Dragic: Looking less and less helpless in increased minutes.  He's hardly arrived, but it's obvious he's gaining confidence as Gentry gives him more responsibility to spell Nash.

Leandro Barbosa: His unbridled joy on offense is always apparent.  But it's his defense that's increasingly becoming the story.  He notched another 3 steals today after a few 5 steal games.  He may never be an all-defensive team player, but it's nice to see at least one of the run and gunners step up in this respect.

Jared Dudley: Another buried bench player benefitting from increased burn.  He's active at both ends of the floor and generally makes smart plays.  Let's hope he's part of the Suns' rebuilding process future.

The Bench: What they lack in skeelz, they bring in effort.  Outside of perhaps Dudley, I haven't seen any starters-in-the-making, but I see some capable back-ups that might not otherwise have been given a chance to shine under either Terry Porter or Mike D'Antoni.

(Side note: for all the ado made over how Rajon Rondo coulda shoulda woulda been a Sun, what are the odds he would have flourished under D'Antoni's tutelage?  Would he have cracked the 8 man rotation?  And doing so, would he have developed any semblance of the game he has now?  Sure, he's a beast now, but I'm not sure the Suns as they were constituted could have gotten him where he is now.  Food for thought.)

Alvin Gentry: He could take a cue or two from Doc Rivers in terms of game management (Did I really just say that?).  A well-placed timeout might have staunched the flow of points the Suns hemorraged in the second quarter.  But he's been pretty fearless about stretching his bench and challenging his starters to get out of the messes they've created for themselves.  The bar is low enough for him and the team that he's got a lot of freedom to tinker with line-ups and see who's going to be a productive player for the Suns going forward and who is, um, past their prime or never going to reach it.

Steve Kerr: In his recent interviews, it's obvious he's earning his stripes as a GM through the adversity the team is enduring (both of his making and not).  He appears to be smart enough to take this experience and make better decisions going forward.

Mental toughness: HA!  Just kidding.  The Suns embraced their inner victim by whining about call after call and racking up a few techs.  Legacies (*cough* Steve Nash *cough*) will be tarnished if this keeps up.

I know, the gloom and doom continues.  Here's the ceiling for these Suns barring a sudden ability to get consistent defensive stops: run poorer lesser disciplined teams off the floor and take their lumps against the NBA's elite.  All hail Phoenix Stan.  I for one welcome our wet blanket overlords.

Oh, and somehow I got through this entire recap without mentioning Shaquille O'Neal or Grant Hill.  They're still on the team and playing fairly effectively, so the Suns have that going for them.

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Boston's defensive rotations are sharp, crisp.

Pretty beautiful to watch.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 22, 2009 4:03 PM MST reply actions  

Bounce back?

I am very very interested to see how the team reacts to this loss…

How they bounce back against the Bobcats on Tuesday and generally respond will mean far more then the L against the defending champs.

No more blaming things on Porter or Amare. If this team is mentally tough, then now is the time to show it.

by Seth Pollack on Feb 22, 2009 4:37 PM MST reply actions  

Defense..

I hate it when people use steals as a primary measure of defensive prowess, because people with high steal rates often gamble on defense. Allen Iverson is a great example of a poor defender who gets a lot of steals.

The key is trying to diminish the opposition’s shooting %, and limiting second chance opportunities. We did lamentably poorly in the first, and broke even on the second wrt allowing offensive rebounds.

Forcing Steve Nash to play one-on-one defense is a retarded strategy, and one that is based in some playground macho BS. The aim is to win games, not prove who “the man” is.

Look, everyone knows Steve can’t guard anyone good, one-on-one, and it’s up to the team and the coaching staff to effect a scheme where his limitations are less exposed. That means providing help defense, and making sure that when someone does drive past him, they’re funneled to a position where someone else can provide better coverage. This is what the Spurs and Celtics do.

Now, I think this team is capable of that, to some extent, provided they play with energy and commitment. Games like this show what happens when you don’t commit.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Feb 22, 2009 4:41 PM MST reply actions  

Really? But hate is such a strong word, and I'm sensitive.

But Chris Paul is a great example of an excellent defender who gets a lot of steals. Is Leandro Barbosa Chris Paul? Nope. But he’s got to start somewhere.

by Mike Lisboa on Feb 22, 2009 4:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Hate *is* a little forceful..

but I use it to gather strength in the dark side of the force.

I was just making the point that good defense doesn’t flow from steals, nor does it consist entirely of man-to-man defense.

imho, team defense is far more important for long term success, and we won’t go anywhere without it.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Feb 22, 2009 5:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Good call by Pliny

Wade is a good example of a great defensive player as he averages high scores in steals, rebounds and blocks.

by magenta on Feb 23, 2009 12:08 AM MST up reply actions  

To me, a great defender is someone like Tim Duncan or KG.

who combine great individual and team defense.

Players like Chris Paul, while good defenders, aren’t great, because their defensive play is one dimensional, and they lack ability in the team defense aspects of the game.

For what it’s worth, I’d say the two best defenders I ever saw in person were Dennis Rodman and Scottie Pippen, who were masterful in both aspects.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Feb 23, 2009 2:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Excellent point...

…and one that I don’t think is made often enough. Everybody has a role on the team, and ideally, each player can hide his weaknesses behind the strengths of his teammates and vice-versa. That’s what prior editions of the run-and-gun Suns had, and it’s something that has seemed lacking this season. Whether it’s an “everyone’s out for himself” kind of thing, or whether the pieces simply don’t fit together as well as they used to (JRich+Shaq vs. Marion+Bell), I’m not sure. But it sure seems like all the sudden weaknesses like Nash’s defense are left glaringly exposed, whereas before, you’d notice it was there but you’d sort of brush it off because you know he’d more than make up for it on the other end.

by TexSUN on Feb 22, 2009 8:23 PM MST up reply actions  

That NY Times Battier article explains the point much better than I could

It’s all about making the opponent less efficient.

If you have good help defense, you can even turn a weakness into a strength, in this case by goading an opposing guard to go after Nash, and force him into a dead-end covered by Nash’s teammates.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Feb 22, 2009 8:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Defense?

The only defense I saw where terrible calls slowing the momentum of the game. Yes the Celtics are good. Do they make a lot of shots covored? Yes. Did we get out and run? NO. Why? Every time literally that we broke to the basket the whistle blew with some sort of foul. Take the start of the last quarter where we cut the lead down to single digits. In that span there where absolutely no whistles blown.

I like the comment by the ABC announcer praising the refeeres ability to keep the fast break going for the celtics by “not calling a technical on Steve Nash until after the fast break had ended” essentially giving the Celtics a three point play. At what point in the official rule book does it say this is allowed?

This happend all game long. Momentum was busted as it was 7 on 5 and sometimes I think the refs do this so they dont have to run down the court. I watched big baby and Powe literally hook their defender while Rhondo left for the easy bucket.

If you can see grant hill / steve nash / or anybody elses heel centimeters into the restricted zone on a call… How could you miss Big Baby 2 feet into the resticted area. It isn’t like the guy is little and the play wasnt the focus of attention.

The point is … refeerees in any game not just Suns games are almost as inconsistant as the Suns play this season.

And on a personal note I will never understand how the phrase “the aggresive team gets the calls to go there way”. This is basketball right? I would understand that statement in hockey and football.

BLAH!

"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi

by antiw0rm on Feb 22, 2009 5:01 PM MST reply actions  

Blaming the refs

is a cop out. The Suns got there ass beat. Celts can win in the 80’s and can win in the 120’s, sort of reminds us of the Spurs right?

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Feb 22, 2009 5:24 PM MST up reply actions  

It's not though.

So if we played a game, any game, say checkers for instance. And I started adding an extra square to every piece that moves, would you call it a cop out when you lost and complained that I added an extra square to every move? No. you wouldn’t right?

"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi

by antiw0rm on Feb 23, 2009 7:45 AM MST up reply actions  

There were bad calls

but that doesn’t disprove that the Suns played bad defense.

If anything, the game wasn’t even close at all for the calls to matter.

by Azrael on Feb 22, 2009 9:34 PM MST up reply actions  

this maybe true.

But my point is we will never know will we? As it was tainted by the fact that there had been bad calls. I’m not making excuses. The Suns lost so what. I’m just tired of watching NBA games in general where bad calls are a factor and there is absolutely no public voice in the matter. And those who do speak up get fined. Why would a system not welcome criticism in order to improve itself.

"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi

by antiw0rm on Feb 23, 2009 7:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Frustrating

I should have expected some kind of let down though. This team is so raw and different from only a couple days ago it’s ridiculous. Bleh!

Well the odyssey continues, God only knows where it will see the Suns in the end

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Feb 22, 2009 5:19 PM MST reply actions  

Before you blame Nash for everything, please note that Kerr traded

away out best perimeter and lock-down defenders in Diaw, Marion and Bell.

The D Antoni’s 7SOL is different from Gentry’s ZSOL as it had players who can play defense and do that well.

Please take note of that before saying Sun’s run and gun style can’t win games or titles.

by magenta on Feb 22, 2009 7:30 PM MST reply actions  

two questions really

can the system work and can this team running the system work…

I am working on that post right now actually…stand by

by Seth Pollack on Feb 22, 2009 7:52 PM MST up reply actions  

"yes" and "it has to"

I honestly can’t see what the Suns had to lose here. They were sitting outside looking in on the playoff race with no reason to think that was going to change. Maybe they’ll still miss the playoffs, but so what? Under Gentry so far, we’re at least getting a better look at the bench than we’ve seen in the last five years. Plus LB’s really getting an opportunity to really shine and show what he can do on both ends of the floor. That by itself was worth the change.

by TexSUN on Feb 22, 2009 8:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Still waiting

On this post. I like controversy ;)

"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi

by antiw0rm on Feb 23, 2009 7:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Gored

It’s about getting gored when you don’t keep a straight line … Fear … Hemingway.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Feb 23, 2009 10:27 PM MST up reply actions  

I thought

it was because of his beautiful red cape.

by Diosnomeama on Feb 23, 2009 12:35 AM MST reply actions  

Canadian Matador

Yeah, he’s the Candadian Matador because he gets out of the way and to let the other guy go all the way to the hoop for easy layups and career highs in points.

by eagleheart on Feb 23, 2009 12:54 AM MST reply actions  

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