Amare Trade Rumor Open Thread
by Seth Pollack on Feb 10, 2009 12:01 PM MST
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PrintThe hot (only) topic these days is if where Amare is going.
Here's a quick recap of the rumors I've heard, read (or started):
- [Note by Phoenix Stan, 02/11/09 9:44 AM MST ]
- Sporting News reports that the Blazers have offered Bayless, Aldridge and the LaFrenz super expiring contract for Amare. (This is probably the best deal I've seen yet but I also still believe that this is being floated by the Suns to drive up the demand and price from other teams. I just don't see the Blzrs doing this and ths rumor doesn't jive w/ what my peeps in Portland are hearing either)
- Newsday is reporting that Donnie Walsh called the Suns about Amare but that a deal with New York won't be happening. No reason given why.
- Yahoo!'s Woj has this disturbing report about Sarver undermining Kerr's efforts to get the best deal possible.
- Suns offered Amare to Miami for Marion and Beasely. Miami rejected this
- Amare to Atlanta for Josh Smith and Marvin Williams
- Amare to Portland for Aldridge and Raef LaFrenz'
corpseexpiring contract (I don't believe this was anything more then a ruse by the Suns leaked to generate demand and increase urgency) - Amare to Detroit for Rasheed Wallace
- Amare to Memphis for Gay, Warrick and Conley
- [Note by Phoenix Stan, 02/06/09 12:33 PM MST ]
- KTAR has heard a lot of rumors including Amare to OKC for Durant and Wilcox (those numbers don't work btw but this does)
- Amare and Kerr talked today after shoot around acknowledging a trade is possible (audio coming soon around that)
- [Note by Phoenix Stan, 02/07/09 8:45 AM MST ]
- Chad Ford reporting Suns want to dump $40m in salary by deadline which means Amare AND Shaq
- ESPN also reporting "that the Bulls, Heat, Pistons and Trail Blazers are among the many teams with whom Phoenix has exchanged trade concepts, with the Bulls and Heat believed to be pursuing Stoudemire hardest at this early stage"
- NBA.com gets in depth with Nash and discusses the teams financial situation: "We've made the effort to really make a run with this team and make a push," Kerr said. "We did mortgage our future a little bit to do it."
- [Note by Phoenix Stan, 02/07/09 10:46 PM MST ]
- From Yahoo's BDL Skeets via twitter: Amare to Nets for Yi and Ryan Anderson and a 2010 1st rd pick.
- The Net rumor seems to have come from NJ.com. I am skeptical of sources like this. A team like the Nets only benefits from floating its name in the Amare sweepstakes. I don't doubt they've talked but nothing here makes me think this is anymore "real" then anything else.
- [Note by Phoenix Stan, 02/08/09 1:04 PM MST ]
- That paragon of journalism that NY Daily News is
reporting spreadingstarting a rumor of a Raptors - Pistons - Suns 3 -way. No real details other then Amare to Toronto, Bosh to Detroit (?) and Prince to Phx. This works if you throw in Walter Hermann to Phx. - It doesn't make sense for Phx though since Prince isn't expiring and isn't a big. He is probably a "Porter guy" though and would be a good mate w/ Hill at the 3.
- [Note by Phoenix Stan, 02/08/09 9:41 PM MST ]
- The Warriors appear to be in the mix. Or at least they want their fans to think they are.
- [Note by Phoenix Stan, 02/09/09 8:48 AM MST ]
- This report in Hoops World is interesting. It firms up the Marion and Beasley discussion as well as the Bulls and Nets interest
- More importantly it for the first time indicates the team isn't just "blaming Amare" and they are looking at Porter as the problem
- [Note by Phoenix Stan, 02/09/09 2:04 PM MST ]
- More indications that Suns nixed a Miami deal for Beasley and Trix.
- [Note by Phoenix Stan, 02/10/09 7:42 AM MST ]
- Ball Don't Lie sums up Detroit, Chicago and Golden State rumors. Nothing we haven't heard before
- This bit though is interesting from nba.com via BDL:
- The fact that was published on nba.com is telling as well.
- Telling us we should feel pity for billionaire owners who lost a few million and can't spend as much on their toys while you and me struggle in the real world and seek to indulge ourselves in a little entertainment called sport.
- [Note by Phoenix Stan, 02/10/09 8:24 AM MST ]
- Sam Smith on bulls.com wants you (and me) to feel sorry for Kerr, Paxton and all those poor GM's who are feeling the hate from the internet tubes
- The best part though was the quote from from Isiah Thomas:
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"You are the owner's shield..Whatever happens bad with the franchise it's your job to take that...Technology has given the angrier sports fan a way to vent more so than the passionate fan. It's given a person an outlet to get that anger out." said Thomas, now doing scouting for the Knicks.
- Screw you Isiah for blaming ANYONE for the way you spent your team's unlimited budget like a drunk sailor at Walmart. And why is this guy scouting players for the Knicks and not in permanent sexual harassment training class?
- [Note by Phoenix Stan, 02/10/09 12:00 PM MST ]
- Chad Ford has Amare at 80% likely to be traded and Shaq at 40%
- [Note by Phoenix Stan, 02/10/09 3:14 PM MST ]
- Hearing two eastern conf teams have the best offers so far. 1 being Detroit.
- Local radio also saying GSW in the mix with Biedrens, Turiaf and Randolf + pick and Memphis also in the mix.
Other ideas proposed around here or else where that seem interesting:
- Amare for Bosh
- Amare for Camby plus 1st rd pick
- Amare to Chicago for Gooden, Hinrich and others
- Amare to Kings for Hawes, Udrih and filler
- and Matt's just too crazy to ignore 3 way deal
- [Note by Phoenix Stan, 02/06/09 7:01 PM MST ]
- Ben from Blazer's Edge threw out this 3 way w/ Hinrich going to Portland, Sergio, Tyrus T and Frye along w/ LaFrenz contract to Suns and Amare, Tucker and Lou to Bulls.
- I replaced Tucker and Lou with Dragic and Barnes and I like it a lot better.
- Upside is Amare goes to Chicago where he's likely to resign and he and Rose can dunk a lot. Paxton, Kerr and Vinny are friends.
- Portland get's to dump Blake and replace him w/ a better defensive PG who doesn't need to be brilliant w/ the ball (Roy and Bayless have that covered).
- Suns get a decent backup PG and two young big men that can rotate at the PF and Center. Lot of different looks w/ Frye's outside shooting and Tyrus' athleticism. Lots and lots of cap space too with no long term deals which is what the Suns want.
- This is my new favorite.
[Note by ZonaFlash, 02/09/09 9:24 AM EST ]
Amare to Chicago won't work numbers wise....
Both Amare and Rose were the number "1".
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Trades
These are just trades I generated using ESPN’s trade machine. All of them involve getting a young, talented big man back, that has the ability to rebound, and also maybe a backup PG:
To Tortonto, for Chris Bosh and Jamario Moon (or maybe Jason Kapono)
To Portland, for LaMarcus Aldridge, Sergio Rodriguez, and another piece.
To Charlotte, for Emeka Okafor, Raymond Felton, and Adam Morrison.
To Memphis, for Marc Gasol, Rudy Gay, and Mike Conley.
To Denver, for Nene and J.R. Smith
To Atlanta, for Joe Johnson and Al Horford
To Minnesota, for Al Jefferson and Rashad McCants
Scratch Minnesota
Jefferson out w/ torn ACL
by Aluminum Foyle on Feb 10, 2009 4:39 PM MST up reply actions
+1 for Lamarcus Aldridge!
That would be sweet. Portland is the city of offensive boards too, would be good to see some of that hustle in the valley of the suns.
Wallace
Is the only guy I’d consider. He doesn’t need to operate in the lane on offense, he rebounds and he plays defense.
I’d like to see Marion back, but that’s a pipe dream.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
Why Amare?
Is it because he needs to go?
Because he’s the only movable piece?
Because he is the most movable guy?
Isn’t everyone but Nash on the table? If so, why? What about all that talk about running without Shaq? They can still do it without Amare, but it will be harder. No one on that list is a better finisher than Amare.
If Amare goes, Nash’s abilities will continue to be squandered and we will have a less successful, yet more boring version, of the Pistons and the Spurs.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
ugh
imagine!
steve kerr takes over. makes one abominable move after the next. the team completely loses focus when he chases the coach out of town. and then they decide to trade one of the brightest stars in the game because everyone else is running out of time.
at what point does the kerr-has-a-job-o-meter start ticking?
never
friends with the owner. and the owner is a banker who isn’t very smart
by ArizonaCactus on Feb 6, 2009 6:47 PM MST up reply actions
The friends part may be true but Sarver is the owner, a banker and probably got more cash than most of us put together….so maybe his plan is not completely clear yet.
You can only hope.
That is saying
his bank is doing well. How many small banks have failed over the past 6 months or are seriously hurting. I would not be surprised if he tries to offload the team. Just a thought.
Hmm
I think most of it is about Amare because he’s the most movable. However, you’d think Shaq would be very movable this season. He’s played very well, he has a contract that expires in that magical summer.
Heard this on KTAR
To Thunder for Durant, Wilcox, and 1st round pick. I think they might be shopping him. I like it
No Durant ...
We really need someone who can haul in 10 rebounds a game. Nothing against Durant, but he doesn’t address the team’s needs. If they DO go after Durant, then they better be trading someone like Barbosa or J-Rich to get a big man who can rebound.
Wouldn't that be what wilcox is for?
I like this trade, but I don’t think it would work on the court without getting rid of some of the other SG/SF to make room for Durant.
This would be FANTASTIC
Durant is a star, an absolute stud.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Is this just the hosts saying "wow i'd like that" or is this actually a rumor?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
they were just saying it as an idea
but i guess the contracts would work. And they did say the Thunder were open to shopping him
by Funky Flapsack on Feb 6, 2009 1:25 PM MST up reply actions
The fuck?
They’re “shopping” Durant? Wow…
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
haha
that will not happen. Guaranteed. Write it in stone.
Durant will be a top 10 player in the league for the next fifteen years.
No way
I don’t think they will trade Durant but I don’t want him.
I think he will be a very good player but not great. Not a super star. Not a top ten player. I would rather have Westbrock or Green or Collison to be part of a solid team.
Blogging Suns Basketball
really?
I understand that his defense is horrible, but his overall offensive attack is incredible. I’m a diehard Blazer fan, and I’d almost take him over Roy.
I still think that Oden was the right choice over Durant.
But Durant is one of the better scorers in the game.
Westbrook isn’t my favorite prospect, though. His turnovers are crazy high and his shooting efficiency too low.
Durant
is going to get huge money and he’s not the guy I want on my team to give max deal to. I would rather have the solid role players and Westbrock has more potential to help lead a team as a PG then Durant does as a scoring 3
How many scoring small fowards have really been super stars? Its a position easiest to fill w/ very good players. Durant will be a top SF but I would rather have an above avg PG, PF and whatever Green is.
You get three very good players that are young and you aren’t really taking a risk on versus a long term gamble on Durant b/c you know once you get him you are stuck with him. Besides, if he’s that good why would OKC trade him? Amare isn’t going to stay w/ the Thunder beyond next season when he can opt out.
Blogging Suns Basketball
I don't think OKC will trade him... Why would they?
I still think that Oden will be a better component toward a winning team, and that he was the right pick. Durant will be worth max money, though, and he’ll be a good player on a good OKC team.
I don’t think the Thunder will be that great, though. They are awfully small. Green is a tweener 3/4, and that doesn’t hold up against the bigger 4s in the west.
Really?
I’d take him over Carmelo to be honest, I just think he’s incredible. And what is he, 21?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I love it
Let’s face it. I think most of us are sure that Kevin Durant will not re-sign w/ Jokelahoma when he becomes a free agent. Maybe if the team were still in Seattle. And Amare probably won’t either, if he were sent there.
Wilcox would fill a need, and this would be a best case scenario trade. And the first round pick, only means more cash from a sale of a draft pick for Robert Sarver. However, I don’t see Sam “I still work with and for the Spurs” Presti making this deal. He will probably wait until Durant becomes a free agent, and do a sign-and-trade.
by Aluminum Foyle on Feb 10, 2009 4:47 PM MST up reply actions
First off..
Love 2 trades there- Camby & 1st rd pick and of course the Smith and Williams trade. But let me propose a question- Besides A’m’a’r’e’s’ scoring, what other skills does he have that improves this team??
I admit that I am a super-fan of the STATman but for me the shock and ah of his raw talent has passed for me. All I can see is a big flashy ego that doesn’t back up his “Gorilla Game” and ability to be the man. What do you think??
He's a bum.
He’s just too lazy. He could put up rebound numbers like D Howard if he tried and I am tired of the all show, no go STAT. If he is too lazy to play to his potential here in PHX, move him while we still can get something worth while.
First off..
Love 2 trades there- Camby & 1st rd pick and of course the Smith and Williams trade. But let me propose a question- Besides A’m’a’r’e’s’ scoring, what other skills does he have that improves this team??
I admit that I am a super-fan of the STATman but for me the shock and ah of his raw talent has passed for me. All I can see is a big flashy ego that doesn’t back up his “Gorilla Game” and ability to be the man. What do you think??
Psshhh
We’ve talked about Amare for Smith and Williams for a while – they’re trading a borderline all start and ok 6th man for 1st Team, All NBA All Start, and somebody who is already friends with their franchise player. Bibby, Johnson, Amare and Horford are the 4th best team in the East
The Clippers have a HUGE logjam in the frontcourt, but nothing on the wing. They give up an old center and get in return an young player (williams) a warrior in Barnes and a back up point in Acie Law to run with Gordon.
fact is
there is no way to salvage this season. It’s time to rebuild. Which means we need young talent. And no worries people, it doesnt neccessarily mean we’re garbage for 6 years. A team CAN turn around in one year. Our 2004-2005 team is a perfect example. We went from 29 wins to 62. Another example is the Celtics. They were 2 big trades away from a championship. Remember the year before they won? They had that 19 game losing streak. So if we get someone like Durant or whoever, we are 2 big trades away from relevance again
It's good to get a headstart on rebuilding if that's the object
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
dirk
If the Mavs star losing I think Dirk would be available. That trade would certainly help both teams.
Thought about that last night
while watching the mavs get rolled. They’re just like us. Maybe that would work. You get a PF that doesnt need the lane to work with and who can shoot can from the outside…Plus you get Nash his best buddie back. For the Mavs, it hasnt been working the way it is either, so they could be interested in a change.
by Funky Flapsack on Feb 6, 2009 1:12 PM MST up reply actions
I guess...
everyone might have a problem answering the question proposed. How does Amar’e imporve are team besides scoring?
If no Durant
That would be my next choice
by Funky Flapsack on Feb 6, 2009 5:33 PM MST up reply actions
I think if a trade for Amare HAS to include a double-digit rebounder who can play defense, otherwise it’s pointless. We have plenty of people who can pick up his scoring. About the only exception I’d have is LaMarcus Aldridge, who has similar numbers (20-ish points, and 8ish rebounds) as Amare, but he’s got a lot more upside.
I don’t think Portland’s as loaded with talented scorers. Brandon Roy is their leading scorer, but they’d rather have him act as a distributor and glue guy, rather than having to carry the scoring burden. They have a lot more threats from 3-ball land to space the floor for Stoudemire and Oden.
Bayless is a pure scorer
Rudy is a pure scorer
Outlaw is a pure scorer
Webster is a pure scorer
Blake is a pure shooter
Why exactly does Portland need more scoring? The Blazers are the second most efficient offense in the league.
Roy is a pure scorer
With extra assists and rebounds on the side. LMA’s outside shooting meshes perfectly with Oden’s (soon to be) great low post game.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 10, 2009 5:13 AM MST up reply actions
No mention of the Knicks?
New York would almost certainly pull the trigger on this deal, if Phoenix were interested.
Cap space to the tune of $7.6M, plus David Lee and Nate Robinson. (You guys can waive Anthony Roberson – he’s in there for salary purposes). Lee would be a beast next to Shaq.
+1
If this were a real possibility. I love David Lee’s work ethic and ability to go after a a rebound. David Lee’s 10+ boards a game are light years ahead of Amare’s 8 a game because Lee’s rebounds are the ones you really have to work for.
This is from J.A. Adande's chat on espn.com
miked Los Angeles, CA: Would suns even think abuot trading Amare for Lamar, it would help the suns because Lamar is pass first and uptempo kind of player also his expiring contract. Although I dont think the Suns woudl want to trade Amare to a Division Rival. BUt the Trade works on Trade Machine.
J.A. Adande: (3:53 PM ET ) One thing I was told by a Suns source was that moves would not be made for competitive reasons, it’s financial. So if you’re not making competition a priority, it doesn’t matter which team you’re improving or where they play.
I’m not sure I like where this is going.
nope.. he says its financial..
Ben (Phx): It pains me to say this because I am a big Amare fan…but I think it is time to trade him. Do you think there is a deal to be made that could make them into contenders this year, or will this send them into “rebuilding” mode.
J.A. Adande: More than rebuilding mode, the Suns are going to shift into cost-saving mode. So I wouldn’t look for them to make a move that puts them in contention, because that would probably mean taking on expensive, long-term contracts.
I wouldn't worry
Anande has been wrong so many times. Plus he’s Lakers biased
by Funky Flapsack on Feb 6, 2009 3:04 PM MST up reply actions
"Not for competitive reasons" If that's the case then....
Let’s do this
Jazz get
Amare
Barnes
Suns get
Milsap
Korver
Price
Harpring
I love big trades,
and I absolutely think it’s time to get Amare the heck out of here. But, just from a common sense standpoint, wouldn’t it be better to see what we could get for Amare over the summer? Over the summer, trade rumors fly and many deals get proposed, because teams and their fans are always looking forward to a potentially rewarding season, no matter how bad the team has played the season before. Wouldn’t it be better to wait until the summer and see if we could get something absurdly good from a desperate team? Just wondering…
More value now
Amare can opt out after next season. If you are team like Chicago or the Bucks you give up more now to get him (to bring in fans) for the rest of this season and next.
Blogging Suns Basketball
What do you guys think about a deal
where Toronto would get Amare, Portland would get Bosh, and Phoenix would get Aldridge, Rudy, and Lafrentz?
Something along these lines.
love aldridge
get rudy “back” would be nice but we need that PG back up so give up bayless and I’m in.
I don't see Portland moving Bayless
they worked for a month to never mention Bayless while praising every other player in the draft, and then maneuvered their way in to take him, trading Jack, who a lot of people liked. Also, Portland has no PG of the future if they trade Bayless. It’s much more likely that they trade Rudy, seeing as Roy already has 36 minutes of shooting guard covered.
I thought LMA for Amare would be good for you guys anyway. Heck, LMA is younger, a little less productive, and a lot less crazy.
They worked for two years to get Rudy to turn down
millions of Euros to come over here and play for a third of the contract he could have signed in Spain. There will be many more combo guards like Bayless in the draft.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 10, 2009 5:17 AM MST up reply actions
Really? From what I can gather the Blazer fans value Bayless more...
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Rudy had a bad month of January (rookie wall) Blazer fans are very 'what have you done for me lately'
And Bayless is getting his first run of the season with Blake going down with the dislocated shoulder. The front office is much higher on Rudy than Bayless.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 10, 2009 4:24 PM MST up reply actions
It's just that
Rudy will always be behind Roy. So if there was an upgrade at SF or PG, I’d be more willing to give up the guy who will always play backup.
Rudy plays SF in crunch time
(but so does trout)
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 10, 2009 10:59 PM MST up reply actions
I love
the trade options cropping up all over this site…. Bosh, Nowitzki, Lee, Aldridge, even Millsap!! (Jerry sloan seems to be the kind of coach who wouuld probably retire first before taking on a headcase like Amare).
Of course all this trade options are put up mainly by suns fanatics and thus all look like pipe dreams, LOL. But still i cant get myself to stop looking in at this site…. and im in a damned company meeting right now!!!
haha
me too. If i get caught, im busted. But its too intriguing.
by Funky Flapsack on Feb 6, 2009 5:35 PM MST up reply actions
Amare interview:
"I definitely think my defense has improved," he said. "(As far as rebounding), I’ve got Shaq down there. I can’t get 15 rebounds a night with the big fella taking up all the space."
This MAN just doesnt get it…. we dont care if he only gets 5 rebounds coz he’s busy boxing out for Shaq or the others. Its the 8-9 rebounds game he usually have where he looks disinterested on defense and most of his boards just falls into his lap
he doesn't get it
when the opposing players drive at you, knowing they have a good chance to score and make you look bad, it means they don’t respect your defense.
by Funky Flapsack on Feb 6, 2009 5:39 PM MST up reply actions
IMHO...
dont like it very much – tyrus thomas seems kike a younger version of amare (a headcase, not a consistent rebounder…) so this would basically be a salary dump with lafrentz contract out after this year. I guess im still hoping we get a good big man in return and get into the playoffs this year.
Tyrus
I am not sure Tyrus has the “head case” issues that Amare does but he might…at $2m/yr you can afford to bench him though. He certainly has some potential and low risk. I am not fan of his either btw but….
I do like Frye playing with Shaq along w/ Lou and maybe Lopez getting more minutes too. Sergio also could allow Barbosa to be traded for another better big man. I know people want to keep LB and JRich, but I just don’t see it.
Anyway – it’s not great by any means but I like it better them most of the others.
Blogging Suns Basketball
I see your point
porter would be hanged by sarver/ kerr if he benches amare’s 15million ass… although he probably knows in his heart he should bench him. i like rodriguez as a backup too.
another trade rumor (or more like longshot prayers by suns fans like us) is with Hawks for Joe Smith and Marvin W… but i like a better combination of Al Horford w/ either of the two.. Horford have not really played as well as his expected his year but i really like that he is a true big man with a lot of effort. But i guess horford is an even longer shot to hope for ( i also dont know how th salaries match)
My favorite so far...
Is the Camby trade and 1st rd pick. Only problem with that is he is getting a little older and the Suns have a horrific history of drafting, I mean they took Lopez in the 1st rd!
I am a bulls fan
I would take this without a second thought
The Bulls can't do this deal.
Both of the trades proposed in the three way with Portland we bring back WAY too much money to the Bulls and would put them into the Luxury Tax, which they have repeatedly said they won’t do, which is why Ben Gordon is probably leaving.
But this deal is close (a variation) but keeps the contracts and salary very similar which is a very important factor currently with almost every team.
Suns get:
Tyrus at the 4 spot. Defensive player next to Shaq (Offensive). TT could roam and get his 2+ blocks/gm.
Raef’s 12 mil. expiring contract, which Sarver obviously wants.
Sergio Rodriguez as your new back-up PG instead of Dragic.
What do you guys think about this one. I’ll call Paxson if you guys are down.
Way too early
If it fails this year, fire the coach and trade everyone.
It may fail, but give it a chance to fail definitively.
What happened to all Ker’s talk about “patience” and “growing pains” a couple of months ago?
Mmmmm ... Guinness
Agree..
Al Horford would be a great piece, he works hard, is young and we have a legit big man even after shaq retires. and he can play fast or half court.
Why?
I don’t understand the need for an Amare trade. He is a great young player, and it will be very difficult to get equal value in return. I would rather see the Suns miss the playoffs next year, than risk not having a player of Amare’s caliber for the next 5 years.
On another note, each move Kerr has executed has made the team a little worse. First Shaq, then letting go of D’Antoni, and lastly the Jason Richardson trade. Each move seemed defensible at the time, but the net result has been a vastly less effective team.
I’d like to see more blame on Kerr for ruining a wonderful team.
by designer on Feb 6, 2009 11:30 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Aldridge or Bosh or Nothing
If there is ANY possibility of him snapping out of it then we should keep him. At the end of the day theres really no other player at his size with his skill set (quickness, boards and jumper). That said, if he really is just habitually indolent (and nothing can change it) then its best to get rid of him. If we’re concerned about winning near-term then Aldridge and Bosh are really only comparable players that minimize any loss on our part. Like I said playing AT HIS POTENTIAL hes one of the few players (e.g. lebron or howard) for whom unloading would virtually always be a losing strategy. From our point of view its just hard to tell whether or not he will ever bother to care enough.
I should also say that I’ve been pretty skeptical of Kerr, although I think the JRich move might prove to be a good one, though perhaps not until things have settled down and its clear to him (and the other players) what in the hell this team is actually trying to do.
by IrrationalAgent on Feb 7, 2009 12:10 AM MST reply actions
Of the deals that seem realistic, according to “sources” in various stories, I think Stoudemire going to Portland for Aldridge and Raef LaFrentz, and to Miami for Beasley and Marion are the best we’re going to get. I pray that we don’t do any kind of deal with the Bulls (at least involving Stoudemire). They have absolutely nothing interesting but Luol Deng.
Kerr, please don't
do anything unless you get something good in return. Most of this trades are just stupid. If we got Aldridge or Bosh that’s fine but I don’t like any of the other options. Why do I get the feeling that we’ll get worse if Kerr trades Amar’e?
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
There's no doubt ...
… that we’ll get worse, in the short term, after trading Amare. I think at this point, they’re going to blow it up and rebuild. Honestly, I’d rather they do that than try to salvage this mess of pieces that don’t fit. Get a clear idea in your head of how you want to rebuild and do it. Try to get a nice to build around (Aldridge or Beasley), or at the very least lots of cap space for free agents, then don’t veer from the plan. I hope they do keep around J-Rich for solid scoring, Amundson for a good solid role player, and maybe even Matt Barnes, if they can keep him for $1-3m/year. The problem with the last few incarnations of the Suns was that there were too many stars, not enough role players.
+1
Except Barnes should be shown the door and Barbosa should be resigned for a long term contract.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
THIS IS BS!
They’re going to SALARY DUMP friggin Shaq. Seriously? SERIOUSLY? And then, THEN they’re going to trade Amare, so we have no frontcourt at all.
I hate this FO, I really do. I don’t want to trade Shaq for AI, or Sheed, or Marion, or whateverthef*ckever.
Why the frack did you idiots trade BORIS?!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
We're going to end up trading Shaq for Stephon Marbury
They want to get rid of Marbury more than we want to salary dump Shaq; presto.
Personally, if we’re salary dumping him, out of all the prospects out there, the ones I’d want would be Marion(but MIA doesn’t want Shaq back) or Kidd. We’ve played Kidd/Nash in the same lineup before, and it’s actually worked out. We’d just have to run like crazy…which isn’t going to happen.
If MIA wants Amare… http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=614172734182184498510&teams=141421212121&te=&cash=
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Amare Trade
Get RID OF KERR…. and Their NEW COACH…. if they trade Amare then the SUNS organization can go to HELL!!!! I’m sick of them getting a cohesive team and then when they don’t win a championship…they gut it and start over. The loyalty of the fans comes with the loyalty of the front office to the players….
DUMP KERR!!!!! BAD THINGS HAVE OCCURRED SINCE HE CAME ON BOARD!!!
I’m much more sick of Amare’s one dimensional game than I am of the front office. If Amare would have shown up to be the man he promised us he would be, i.e. focusing and playing hard even when you’re not getting points, we would be talking about how great we are, probably a game or two behind the Lakers, or even a game or two ahead, and already getting fit for our championship T’s.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
Based off of Chad Ford...
Suns want expirings+youth to build around for Amare, and expirings for Shaq.
Thus, I give you:
Not saying I like it, but if they’re rebuilding, then this sheds a crap load of salary, kinda keeps us competitive this season, and gives us B-EASY!
Sub in Marbury for Kidd and the deal still works, if Dallas declines.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Blazer Fan
Aldridge is iffy…
he is gonna excel with whoever he plays with, Amare.. would be a good upgrade for the next year or two. but i don’t think the blazers will do anything, enless the suns either throw in (hill or maybe barbosa)
PS. you guys could of had Sergio/Rudy coming off the bench, and they would of been GREAT in your old system.
"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"
As a heat fan, I don’t believe for one second that we rejected a Amare for Beasley / Marion offer. If that offer is out there we’d pounce on it in a heart beat. Amare is the power forward that everyone down here is hoping Beasley will develop into.
That would be a grand slam for Miami.
tell Riley to get the deal done immediately :-D
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I wouldn't see Portland getting Amare
but I think there is a high chance of a three way deal. Pritchard has a list of favorites from the software that he uses to help him evaluate players. Who ranks highly? Luol Deng… You’d probably see him in Portland if Amare went to Chicago.
i dont think the bulls will trade deng
unless they get really wowed by a deal. he’s been alot better lately.
And all I'm saying
is that the Blazers would have to be wowed by a deal to get involved. They won’t trade just to trade.
you guys are getting a little deluded here, really...
portland isn’t going to trade aldridge. period. he’s not as explosive as amare but he does just about everything else as good or better than him, plus he’s younger. i don’t think bayless would be in any deal they’d be making either…he’s a rook, he’s good…they can see him and roy double combo guarding the backcourt for at least the next 5 years. the best you could hope from from them would be the lafrentz expirer, one of their small forwards but probably not rudy, and rodriguez….none of that helps you guys but steve kerr is calling the shots so you never know.
the okc thing is intriguing but i think they like their guys, and like their chances for getting blake griffin in the draft which would fill their need for amare. their 3 guys that you would want (4 if you count wilcox but if youve watched him you know you dont want him) arent going anywhere i dont think.
the sheed for amare thing helps for a year or two but the guy isnt far from becoming a non-factor despite his previous awesomeness.
i can’t really wrap my head around why you guys (or anyone in the suns org) wants to move him so badly. this is basically steve kerr’s fault for imploding what was a team that was one nba screwing away (amare/boris 2 steps toward a guy = ENDANGERMENT bs etc) from being in the west finals right? this is what you get for pressing the panic button too early. steve kerr has shown himself to be almost wholly incomptent but somehow it’s all amare’s fault? i don’t know, i know he can be hard to stomach but again…there’s not really another guy like him in the league…when you take away everything that played to his strengths and replace all that with things that expose his weaknesses and make him worse do you blame him? wouldn’t you be pissed off if your new boss strolled in at your job and did something like that to you?
by mattw on Feb 7, 2009 2:42 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
An equally long comment
Amare is the one on the floor not giving full effort. Amare is the one who doesn’t care enough about winning, about team play. Amare is the single difference this year. He has not showed up and we’re a .500 team for it. When he played well, real early in the season, we were very dominant.
Most of the mistakes that have caused our current condition aren’t Kerr’s fault, because they happened before he got the reigns. You can’t keep trading draft picks for cash, not focusing on defense/bringing in defensive players, and not have discipline on a team for three years and not excpect to run into dire hardships, no matter who is running the ship.
Also, a lot of fans talk as if we had already won a championship with D’antoni. I enjoyed the run and gun Suns as much as anyone else, but that style isn’t the best formula for success. And to be quite frank, we did not achieve anything under D’antoni. Not a single thing. We made the playoffs and that was it. I don’t even remember taking one of our elimination series to a 7th game. So we can live in the past and cry about how close we got and how badly we were robbed, but the fact is that we weren’t good enough then, and now we’re probably better than we were because of Shaq, but it won’t ever look like that because the league has skyrocketed in talent. We were a great team when the NBA simply sucked. There were 3 good teams besides the Suns from 05-07. They all won or got to a championship series. I think the current Suns team would have won 2 titles in that same period, but the problem is I can name five or six teams now play that would have done the same.
Time ran out.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
Well, it’s sure seeming like everyone’s confident Phoenix will be getting Marion and Beasley for Stoudemire, based on all the reading I’ve done (and I haven’t had much else to do today). Seems like a good enough deal, if the Suns are confident they can’t move Shaq and/or Nash instead. If they do trade with Miami, it’d be nice to see if they could also snag Udonis Haslem.
Turrible.
No trade with NJ w/o Lopez.
Lopez(starter)+Yi(youth)+expirings, I’m fine with. We can even throw in Barnes or whoever
I’d rather have Brook at his price over Shaq, so then you trade Shaq for Kidd
Nash/Kidd
Richardson/Barbosa
Hill/Barnes or Tucker or Dudley
Fropez/Yi
Lopes/Amundson
Solid 10 man rotation methinks, and weirdly enough, with the way Brook is playing, I think we’d actually still remain quite competitive. We’d also have a really nice core to build around w/ Barbo, Richardson, Tucker, Dudley, and the wondertwins.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Heck we can even swap Lopezes so NJ would still be able to use the jersey
Start Yi or Amundson at PF
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Yeah I think any trade with Jersey needs to include Brooke Lopez. It would be nice to also get Chris Douglas-Roberts. However, it gets difficult to match salaries at that point, without taking on Vince Carter or Bobby Simmons. Simmons might be okay … he’s an okay player, and he’ll come off the books in 2010 still.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3422344810221727&teams=21212117&te=&cash=
NJ
I think I like something more along these lines:
amare and barnes for Yi, Anderson, Swift, and Hayes.
I would also love to get CDR but you would HAVE to move Tucker somehow to do that and I think I am ok w/ that b/c of CDR’s better defense. Even without CDR if you take on Hayes you have yet another guy at the SG but his deal expires this year.
If you ended up with Hayes and CDR you would HAVE to move Tucker (which I would hate) or Barbosa (which I would hate more) or just play none of those guys and wait and figure it out next season.
I kind of like the idea of Yi and Anderson. Yi is improving and can be a solid outside shooting PF as an option and Anderson is more of a David Lee inside guy. Swift you just waive or buy out.
I don’t want the other Lopez…the drama of having them both on the same team is too much and they aren’t about to swamp Lopez’s.
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 8, 2009 10:50 AM MST up reply actions
when I say Like
I mean the best possible w/ NJ – not that I “like like” it
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 8, 2009 10:51 AM MST up reply actions
I really don't think Yi will pan out to be anything special.
IMO, Brook has to be in the deal to make it worthwhile.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Special...
I don’t think he will be an all star but he’s a nice bench player at the four, especially against teams that aren’t too big up front.
He can also run the floor and finish. Not that the Suns run the floor any more…
He also is good for all star voting :)
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 8, 2009 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
I can definitely see Sarver looking at Yi as a cash cow though, what with all of China rooting for him.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Using China
as a promotion tool certainly worked for Amare…
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 8, 2009 12:06 PM MST up reply actions
Newest rumor
3 way w/ Detroit, Toronto and Phx.
Amare to Raps
Bosh to Pistons
Prince (and filler) to Phx
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Prince is a good defender
Which is needed, but we think they were heavy on wing players now
Mmmmm ... Guinness
Interesting deal....doesn't solve our problems at the 4 unless Prince can play 4.
Hope Maxiell would be coming back, and I wonder why we wouldn’t just cut out Toronto to take Bosh for ourselves.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Expiring: Kwame
Youth: Amir
Future piece to build around:…Prince?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
posted that to the thread
I don’t like any of the GSW deals.
As I posted here at GSOM
None of the Warriors are a good fit w/ the Suns now (Beans and Ellis or Craw) and the lesser players are just meh…
I like other deals much better…
The Heat deal for Marion and Beasley is growing on me for sure.
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 8, 2009 10:25 PM MST up reply actions
funny? The guys on the GSW board
don;t want Amare either?
by dungeness crabdribble on Feb 8, 2009 11:09 PM MST up reply actions
There will always be people on both sides of this Amare debate
That’s what happens when a polarizing issue comes around.
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I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Tayshaun Prince....
We would have him if we didn’t draft Casey Jacobsen!!!!!!!!
by whatisboxhappening on Feb 8, 2009 10:35 PM MST reply actions
Do not be surprised to see Portland help you guys out with a three team deal
we have young talent and assets to give you. Amare to Eastern Team, cap space and talent to Phoenix, Blazers get an asset from the Eastern team.
If Amare goes to Chicago, expect Pritchard to jump in to grab either Deng or Hinrich, sending Bayless and RLEC or something similar to Phoenix. Chicago gets their low post threat, Portland a starter at a position of need, and Phoenix young talent and cap space.
I would be stunned to see Amare in a Blazer uniform. Stunned.
Cablinasian?
Are you the Cablinasian from the Jim Rome Show?
Either way, we’ll give you Kirk. Ask your guys at Blazers Edge what they think of this one.
Portland – Kirk Hinrich (and you have to take Dragic and Simmons to make it work salary wise).
Suns – Tyrus Thomas, Raef LaFrentz (12mil expiring) and Sergio Rodriguez
Bulls – Amar’e Stoudemire
I love Bayless too
and he’s got lots of upside but like Monta we don’t need back court help.
Any deal needs to bring back big men that can play next to Shaq. I’ve never believed that the Suns were throwing in the towel on this season and “blowing it up”.
They are going to at least expect to make the playoffs this season and that means replacing Amare with rebounding that can step out and shoot.
Names like Beasley and Marion. Frye, Tyrus T, Ryan Anderson, Yi and perhaps even Gooden.
I would NOT expect the Sun to replace Amare w/ anything kind of guard or even wing beyond a back up PG of the Sergio variety.
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As a Warriors fan in foreign territory,
I humbly say we will trade you whatever we can to get Studemire. The Suns are the only other team in the NBA that I follow, with former W’s members JRich and Barnes. Let there be peace and understanding between our two teams.
Tayshaun + Maxiell is intriguing
Maxiell could become a 10 and 10 guy if he got more playing time
I now change my vote...
Don’t trade Amare. Something in Jalen Rose’s voice on NBATV last night changed my mind. Who can we get for Shaq and what should we be looking for?
I’m assuming the only reason the Suns would have nixed a trade for Marion/Beasley is because Aldridge or Bosh may be available, or they’re going to keep Amare, because that was by far the best trade rumor floating around. But, I wouldn’t be too shocked if we do a retarded trade with the Bulls that doesn’t include Derrick Rose.
Or they
don’t want to deal w/ the drama of bringing Marion back to Phx….who knows that the story is there.
I was totally unimpressed w/ the way they treated him when he came to town. Nothing. No thanks for the memories on the score board. Nothing.
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Maybe they could waive him or something. I know Marion wouldn’t be pleased about returning, and I’m sure Kerr wouldn’t be pleased about having him back, but it’s only a half-year of coexistence before both get to go their separate ways. He’s not getting much better treatment in Miami, and it certainly seems doubtful that Riley re-signs him.
too soon for a teary eyed retrospective.
and lets not forget what a little bitch Marion and his agent were being. We were in that trade for Garnett until Marion nixed it, only to sign with Miami.
Bastard!
There I was agreeing with Stan until I remembered we could’ve had the Big Ticket instead of the Big Bogut-Dominator
Mmmmm ... Guinness
I'm so confused
One moment I’ll read that the trade was Amare for KG, then I’ll read it was Marion for KG. Then I’ll read again it was Amare for KG. Then I’ll read it was Marion for KG.
I’d have traded them both for KG, using hindsight vision.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
Look's like there's a growing sentiment, among the Suns organization, at least . .
to KEEP Amare.
If this is true, but we do still want to trim payroll, why not try this?
Chad Ford mentioned the Shaq for Odom trade on ESPN . . . with the Clips looking to get rid of Camby, why not try this? We still shed 10 million for this year, and then Camby is up in ‘10. This also frees up Nash and Amare to work in the post again, without Shaq’s huge ass getting in the way.
dbdynasty(insider) on RealGM said that the move is going to be made purely for financial reasons so don't believe anything the media is telling us about looking for 'youth' or 'draft picks'
He said that it’s a straight salary dump; Kerr doesn’t want to do it but it’s the only way the organization can survive or something like that…
If they’re going to salary dump anyone, it NEEDS to be Shaq for Marbury, AI, or Kidd. Salary dumping Amare Stoudemire is turrible.
That’s one of the reasons why they nixed Marion/Beasley…b/c they’d actually be taking on salary this season.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
If they get rid of Amare for a pure salary dump, then I think Suns fans will break into Steve Kerr’s house and behead him.
Miami's asking for Barbosa, both b/c he's awesome and b/c they're using the "hey Bob, it'll save you money" line
And it appears as though we’re saying no.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Besides, it’s still cutting salary if they get someone like, say, Beasley. They’re losing $13/m or so from the books in 09-10, if they trade Stoudemire/Dragic/Tucker for Marion/Beasley.
They want to be under the lux tax THIS season, so 09-10 doesn't help
BECAUSE THEY’RE IDIOTS!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I heard the same thing re: Amare
along with another juicy bit of info that will make a lot of you happy….story is drafted. Just waiting to see if the Suns want to officially comment before I publish it.
But I also have another theory re: Amare and this talk about it being financial but…
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Oooh, sounds interesting.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
One thing the Suns
can’t do is blame injuries…
Look at these teams w/ Bynum, Al Jeff, JT, Brand, Ellis, Parker and Manu, the Clippers, the Wizards…
I mean it is a minor miracle that the Suns have been this healthy../knocks on head</>
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We’ve always been healthy though. When have we lost someone in the last few years to injury. Off hand I only remember losing KT. Nash has gone down for a few games, as have some others, and obviously Hill has had his issues (and Stat that one year), but our training staff is remarkable and whatever they do to keep us healthy, it works.
I almost wish someone WOULD have gone down early, for a long while, so if we ended up with the same record it would feel a whole lot better knowing we weren’t a complete team and we’d be getting someone back just in time to kick major ass.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
Our Front Office is officially inept.
Tyrus over Beasley?
TYRUS THOMAS OVER MICHAEL BEASLEY?!
I’m done freaking out about this, because this much is true. Whether or not you think we need to trade Amare, whether or not you think he’s overrated/is the issue with the team, this much is certain: with Steve Kerr as our GM, we will lose this trade horribly.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
btw I'm freaking out about THIS: http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1390
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I am so tired of hearing about the Bulls and Tyrus Thomas. Who in their right mind would choose Thomas over Beasley? Beasley already has numbers similar to Tyrus and he’s way younger. And who cares about taking back Marion? Sit him on the bench or lock him in a room for 4 months if you have to. It’s about his contract, not him.
Some shameless self promotion here
I’m going to include something I just wrote on StR, for their disapproval, and yours I suppose (and everyone else with a stake in this), but for your sake I’ll include a long blurb that pertains to you guys, and here’s the link, :
I think the team with the best shot, as long as David Lee and Danilo Galinari aren’t made completely untouchable, is New York. The Knicks have something that nobody else has: a willingless to pay luxury tax. So they can do a complicated deal with Phoenix that nets them Stoudemire. Ask yourself if you’re the Knicks, would you be willing to take on Shaq and Stoudemire both? Cuz they could pull it off. Stephon Marbury’s fat expiring contract will no doubt interest Phoenix because suddenly Shaq is in play here, and it will help alleviate the salary issue for next season. (The other issue is that it would help Phoenix get under the tax this season.) Shaq and Stoudemire combined make just under 35.1 million combined this season. Marbury makes nearly 21 million of that by himself. So it’s very easy to see why New York wouldn’t bother to waive Marbury if a guy like Stoudemire becomes available, and hey why not, let’s get Shaq and bring him near Newark while he’s at it?
Here’s the proposal: Shaquille O’Neal and Amare Stoudemire for Stephon Marbury, David Lee, Danilo Galinari, and Jerome James. This slashes nearly 3 million off the payroll, and barring another money saving deal, another team could take the rest for Phoenix. They can get under the tax, and they can do so easily by simply shedding Shaq & Amare. Why does New York do this? Why not? Help juice the team (mostly for prospective FA’s other than LeBron) with Shaq & Amare’s arrival, and D’Antoni could probably convince Donnie Walsh and the rest of the Knicks brass that this deal is doable (in terms of making Amare & Shaq work together better than they have this season), and it could help the franchise believe they could pull off a LeBron James coup in 2010, assuming they still have cap room, which, they would still have if they don’t sign Amare or Shaq to an extension this off-season.
The bottom line, if I’m Phoenix, and I’m dealing with New York, is I try to move Shaq & Amare, and cut my payroll way down to start the rebuilding effort this summer. I get 2 young players, and in return, payroll slashed for next season, and perhaps the cost cutting measure of no luxury tax this season. It’s a win-win for Phoenix and New York provided that they don’t care they’re giving up Shaq, and the Knicks don’t mind taking on that salary (I doubt it—but you never know). Now, I’m done with the Amare talk.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
The more I think about all this, the more I think Amare, at least, won’t get moved until early next week. They probably will let him play out the All-Star game as a starter to avoid any kind of mess there with re-assignments and such.
I would bet against that too
There’s also the time for Kerr to actually sit down & talk with a bunch of people in the league. (Last season the Kings dealt Mike Bibby on All-Star Saturday. It can happen over the All-Star break.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
This is a little different
Amare of course is starting. In Phoenix.
but more then that Kerr is going to milk this for the best deal possible (at least I hope he is) and all these rumors just help drive up demand and therefor the price.
He would be a Moron to do a deal too soon without waiting to see if another team is more desperate and throws in that extra pick or whatever…
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 10, 2009 8:40 AM MST up reply actions
Yup that too
I stand by this statement: New York has the best possible package cuz they can offer luxury tax relief this season, a lot of cap room for next season, and offer 2 quality young players in Galinari and Lee. If New York adds a pick, well that’s just gravy.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Except that
D’Antoni doesn’t like Amare and the feeling is mutual. Won’t happen unless its a Nash deal…
I would love to see D’Antoni take Shaq though
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 10, 2009 8:51 AM MST up reply actions
Hmmm hadn't thought of that
Figured the two had a working relationship.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Amare loooooves D'Antoni now that he's realized how good he had it.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
I’m actually kind of surprised at how little I’ve heard about Kerr’s potential moves. I mean, we have lots of people from other cities speculating about what their team is offering the Suns for Amare, but not much talking about what Kerr is likely to do, or from any sources within the Suns organization. Then again, I didn’t hear anything at all about the J-Rich trade, and very little about the Marion-for-Shaq trade until they happened.
Now that I’ve been thinking on it, a trade to Golden State for a package revolving around Andris Biedrins and Anthony Randolph wouldn’t be a bad consolation prize. I forgot how young Biedrins is, and he’s a guaranteed double-double.
Sarver won't take Beans's contract.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Beans contract is great. He is one of the few
guys who is actually underpaid compared to his peers.
by dungeness crabdribble on Feb 10, 2009 7:45 PM MST up reply actions
Probably BS rumor: http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?sport=nba&id=det&tid=4263122&lid=5
Sheed+Maxiell+FIrst for Amare
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
More BS when you take into account it doesn't save Phoenix any money this season, which is an automatic no go
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
One more thing, dynasty says that he thinks the trade talks will continue into NEXT week.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
We’ll see if Kerr can surprise/shock us. I’m hoping that he’s sitting on a Stoudemire-for-Bosh deal, or an Aldridge/LaFrentz deal. Overall, I don’t understand Portland’s supposed view on trading Aldridge for Stoudemire (as in they don’t want to give up Aldridge). Why would you want BOTH Stoudemire and Aldridge? Aldridge is a starter for any team at power forward, they certainly wouldn’t put Stoudemire on the bench, or keep Oden on the bench for long, while Stoudemire moves to the 5. Basically, I think it’ll just come down to whether or not they want to get over the top in the next few years, or if they’re content with developing into a real power in the next 2-5 years.
I hope it's Bosh
I’d even be willing to pull of a Bosh-Parker for Stoudemire-Barbosa to get it done. Bosh is a beast – everything Amare is supposed to be
Only things to worry about is that the Suns won’t cut any salary, so they probably only make this trade if they can move Shaq, Barbosa, or Jason Richardson for an expiring contract. Also, Bosh is a tad like Amare in that their effort often seems to depend on their mood. Bosh is a bit less temperamental, though.
Question
I heard, I think on TV, that Shaq is the problem with Amare that Amare isn’t scoring because Shaq is clogging the middle, which affects Stat greatly because of Stat isn’t scoring, he’s not doing anything…he is focused on defense and rebounding only when he’s getting his points. If Amare can’t play with a center, and you need a center to win a Ring, I think, more than you need a power forward (who has won without a center? besides maybe the Bulls, but Jordan was not a PF, and I won’t buy for a second that Duncan is a PF), why would Portland ever want to stick Amare next to Oden, a guy I am not very high on, but could turn out to be a major piece to any championship run they make?
I mean, come on, a dominating center-type player has won a championship each year for the last decade between Duncan and Shaq and KG. And Amare has proven himself to be neither a center-type player, or a player who can play with a center.
I think our best chance is shipping Stat, at least from the other team’s point of view, somewhere where he, once again, will be the biggest man on the court.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
Yeah, I would love Gasol and Gay/Mayo. No reason Gasol can’t turn into as good a player like his brother (as they are brothers), and Mayo and Gay are both outstanding with so much upside.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
Brothers
People need to stop saying that just because Pau/Marc Brook/Robin are brothers, they should be as good as each other. If this were the case, there’d be far more siblings in the NBA. There isn’t. Just because 2 people play with each other early in their lives does not mean they will be as good as each other. Hell, I’m sure most NBA players had best friends that they balled with as much as they would with a brother. That doesn’t mean that Lebron has a friend stashed away somewhere who will be a rival King.
Interesting take
I didn’t say anything about best friends or people who NBA stars played with as children. And I wasn’t talking about Pau Gasol’s two year old brother, but his twenty-four year old brother who has already made it into the NBA and who shows a very high level of skill and talent. I agree with you with most of what you said, though I’m not sure why you said it, and I must add that genetics is such that when you take two professional athletes, who are brothers, you will find there abilities are less different physically than they are mentaly. What it comes down to with Marc and Pau, and who will end their careers as the better player, is far less how they’re built, but how they think.
And someone has to be the better player. The question is which one, and how close the other will get.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
Eh
Basically I was just saying that we should stop comparing Pau and Marc because they have very different games and body structures. I agree that a player’s game has a lot to do with how they think but I think you can also agree that how a player thinks has a lot to do with how they are built. For example, Pau is willowy and thin; consequently, he doesn’t look to bang down low. Marc on the other hand, is more stout; consequently, he plays a more physical game.
The thing with friends and such was me trying to point out that just because 2 people spends loads of time doing something together (like brothers would), does not mean that they will be approximately the same talent wise. This is where I don’t buy the genetics arguement. Honestly, if they weren’t brothers and people just looked at their games, would people be comparing Pau and Marc so much?
Like I said though, I very much like Marc. If the Suns end up getting him, I think they’ll be very happy. It’s just a pet peeve of mine when people judge him against Pau instead of on his own merits. Not to say that you did, I just wanted to rant a bit.
I would trade Stat for Marc and a draft pick, to be honest
And I completely agree with you. I wasn’t saying they have the same game or are similar players (they look completely different), just that they can both be great players, instead of just Pau being great. Whatever drives Pau to be great is more than likely inbedded in Marc, whether that be nature or nurture.
Need an example of a basketball playing family, look at the Barry brothers. It happens, and when it does, the reason is obvious, though it is completely unfair to younger siblings to compare them constantly to their older brothers. I sure as hell wouldn’t want to go through my life hearing I’m only good because my older brother is.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
Neither of those trades seem to bring back expiring contracts, but I was listening to Gambo and Ash, as well, when those were mentioned, and they always seem to have an inside track into the Suns organization.
i was listening to Gambo and Ash too
and they did mention both of those. I like the Memphis one best, because rof the draft pick. We’d have to make sure its not lottery protected
by Funky Flapsack on Feb 10, 2009 4:12 PM MST up reply actions
it was..
i think rudy gay and some other scrub plus a 1st round pick. Can’t remember the scrubs’ name
Hate that deal
Gay is over rated and the last thing we need is ANOTHER wing player that needs the ball.
Also the Grizz don’t have any expiring contracts so you have take back crap like Buckner who has 2 yrs left.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=172711130052794&teams=29212121&te=&cash=
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 10, 2009 4:43 PM MST up reply actions
I like this.
I don’t think it could happen and it leaves us thin at the wing but I really like Lee banging down low and we drop 20 mil from the books.
It's about
$4m more in salary this year unless you can negotiate a buy out w/ Marbury…oh and it’s Marbury!
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 10, 2009 5:01 PM MST up reply actions
Buying out Marbury
Would be the goal. Plus his whole contract is off the books either way end of the year.
It sounds more and more
like the Suns need the LaFrentz contract. I really think we’ll see a three way deal, with LaFrentz in Phoenix, and Amare with the third team.
I love this deal...
I should I hate this deal less then all other deals:
Amare > Bulls
Hinrich > Blazers
Tyrus T, Frye and LaFrenz > Suns
At least you get two PF’s with very different skills. I am not a Tyrus T fan but it is possible he will get better. Frye is solid. And cheap. LaFrenz is a salary cap’s wet dream
Of course I like better this:
Shaq and Barnes > Portland
LaFrez, Pryz, Frye, Sergio > Phx
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by Seth Pollack on Feb 10, 2009 7:21 PM MST up reply actions
Wow @ Stan
for “Salary Cap’s Wet Dream”….nice one…haha
I like the first one better, because Tyrus has more of a chance of being a true centerpiece than either Pryzbilla, Fry, or Rodriguez does. Sergio is a fine backup PG, but I don’t see him as Nash’s replacement. So, essentially, we give away a 4-time all start for three role players and an expiring contract.
For one thing,
Frye would be a terrific Sun. His long distance shooting and Arizona roots would be great, as is his terrific personality.
I don’t think the Blazers make that trade, though. We’d have four point guards with a legitimate abillity to play.
Plus, the LaFrentz contract is so valuable in this economy… heck, there are rumors about Sessions/R Jefferson and Caron Butler floating around, just because their teams have to cut money from their cap. I dunno if we give it up just to get Hinrich, who, while better than Blake, is still only a tad bit better. Blake shoots much better, if recent years are what you’re basing analysis off. I’d love to have Hinrich… I just think we’d have to get more in return than just him.
Look out for Detroit
Amare to Detroit, cap space and talent to Phoenix, and Tayshaun Prince to Portland would be a terrific deal for all parties, especially if Phoenix really has to get rid of salary.
Sergio
In the first deal, does the money work for Sergio to go to the Suns too? I think this needs to happen – Sergio would be the best backup the Suns have ever gotten Nash and, with proper teaching from Nash, is good enough to be a temporary starter/permanent back up for when Nash leaves to try and get a championship.
really Tyrus Thomas
he hasn’t shown me much yet…unless he pulls a Tyson Chandler when he left the Bulls
NBA Coast to Coast said:
“Shaq has been told that PHX is taking calls regarding his services and he has told PHX management that if he’s traded he’d like to play with LeBron.”
So I put this trade together (strictly from a financial standpoint)
Cavs:
Shaq
Suns:
Wally Szczerbiak (expiring contract)
Anderson Varejao (expiring contract)
J.J. Hickson (young, 2yr rookie contract)
This saves about 1.5M this year (3M including lux tax)
Not very exciting but it will make it easier for the Suns to make a competitive trade for STAT.
Pick
I think the Cavs would jump to do that trade. I love Hickson but they need to win now to get Lebron to stay. Tell the Cavs to throw in a first round pick and I think it’d be a good deal for both sides. Cavs shouldn’t mind throwing in a pick since it’d be a low one anyway. As a Laker fan though, that trade would scare me a lot.
No way the Cavs would do this
Trading one of their few floor spacers and a guy that cleans up on the boards, blocks shots, and takes charges, for a guy that’ll clog the area that makes Bron most effective?
by hcblankscreen on Feb 11, 2009 2:10 AM MST up reply actions
They've
been shopping around Wally’s expiring so I don’t think they mind losing him, although he has been playing great lately. Besides they have West, Williams, and Gibson to space the floor already. They’re probably not gonna resign Varejao this summer so he shouldn’t be a problem either.
As for clogging up the middle, I always thought that was one of the most BS arguements. Kobe was able to slash to the basket when he was playing with Shaq; Lebron should be able to do the same. Whenever Lebron drives to the basket, the defense collapses on him. You’re telling me that Shaq with no one on him, next to the basket, is a bad thing? Or if his man stays on him, you have Lebron on single coverage. Again, that’s a bad thing?
Shaq clogging the lane is anything but BS
Maybe when he was a spry dude he could play in and out, get to the basket quick, grab lobs. Now that’s anything but the case, if Shaq’s not on the block he’s completely useless. Too slow to get on the glass or make a quick move after an outlet pass.
If Shaq didn’t clog the lane then Nash and STAT would be producing like they always have, but he does, so they can’t, and neither could LBJ.
by hcblankscreen on Feb 11, 2009 2:45 AM MST up reply actions
Dammit, he's right!
Well, about Shaq costing the Suns Amare.
Not so right in blaiming Sarver for the horrible Diaw and Banks deals. That was GM D’Antoni’s moves.
But he’s so damned right about Shaq costing us Amare! Dammit!
Mmmmm ... Guinness
To portland
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/13515062
The Portland Trail Blazers have made a strong play for Amare Stoudemire, discussing a package that includes LaMarcus Aldridge, Jerryd Bayless, and Raef LeFrentz’s $12.7 million expiring contract, a person with direct knowledge of the talks told CBSSports.com Tuesday.
If this is true why wasn’t it accepted by Kerr yesterday?
The Suns will NOT trade Amare before the all star game
It would be way to awkward. If this deal was offered, the Suns need to take it. Either they think they can get Bosh, or they took it but it’s not official till after the All Star Game.
if that deal is on the table
it’s got to be a three way trade.
by Cablinasian on Feb 10, 2009 11:34 PM MST up reply actions
I would agree.
How bad would it look with the all star game here in town and Stat being traded right before. If he is moved, it will not happen until after this weekend.
by Gorilla Game on Feb 11, 2009 10:19 AM MST up reply actions
CBSS Sports
I don’t trust anything these morons say.
Is it too late
to still trade Amare to Minnesota for KG? More importantly, once he is gone, what will become of “Stoudemire’s” downtown?
The Food Sucks anyway...
… and they charge a 10 dollar cover after Suns games.
by bangbang240 on Feb 11, 2009 11:09 AM MST up reply actions
the food definitely sucks. i tried to get a box out and they said they don’t do that kind of thing.
by ArizonaCactus on Feb 11, 2009 1:53 PM MST up reply actions
Time to hit the panic button
WTF is Sarver trying to do???
He is undermining Kerr, and will be the cause for another 10 Moron points for Kerr, when Amare is indeed moved.
I say bring out those little moron meters for everybody involved in the suns organization …. :(
Whats up doc?
Ugh ...
If this douche makes his own trade, this franchise will be permanently ruined. I at least trust Kerr is attempting to get back talent to build off of, even if he has to get an expiring contract or two, but I know Sarver is only looking at the bottom line.
Agreed
This is the most depressing thing I’ve read so far in this whole sorry mess. Can we not arrange for Sarver to be bound and gagged somewhere for he next week tomake sure he doesn’t pull something off. Otherwise I feel all we’re going to end up with for Amar’e is half the Chicago cheerleading squad and a towel boy.
He's trying to kill the team so he can move them.
It’s becoming clear.
Phoenix is a top 10 market?
$arver is a tighwad, for sure, but where would he move them too?
He’s not gonna get a gazillion bucks out of Seattle, and there’s no other market of comparable size that’s open.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 11, 2009 6:32 PM MST up reply actions
This came out overnight from Adrian Wojnarowski, so take it for what it's worth
But it talks about Sarver undermining Kerr. I don’t think it’s news to anyone around here, but I thought I’d pass it along.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
new jersey trade
what do you guys think about this?
we would get 2 mill in cap relief this year and 8 mill off the books next year. we would keep yi and brook. we could then just try and dump shaq and sign boozer and artest in the off season. it would be ok but i don’t think they would do it cause sarver wants to trade everyone but still make the playoffs.
Some interesting comments from ESPN chat with David Thorpe ...
D Miz (Breakin Down The Game): Sup Thorpe. Chad Ford said there’s an offer on the table for Amare that they’re waiting until after the All-Star break (or let other offers trickle in). You know what it is?
David Thorpe: (12:12 PM ET ) Yes, I think I do, for the most part.
Matt (Carroll, Iowa): Any chance that with so many teams said to be in the running to trade for Amare that the Suns could end up with a more impressive haul then most experts are thinking? When its all said and done what is your prediction on what the Suns end up with?
David Thorpe: (12:12 PM ET ) I think they’ll get less than people expect, but enough to keep Phoenix relevant going forward.
less than people expect
and i already expected us to get majorly screwed.
fantastic!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
KTAR reporting Portland deal is a bogus rumor.
Portland isn’t giving up Aldridge.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
the perfect trade
This Trade Succeeded! Go back to adjust your trade or start over.
Dallas Mavericks
Incoming Players
Leandro Barbosa
Salary: $6,100,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 12.9 REB: 2.4 AST: 1.8 PER: 18.63
Mark Blount
Salary: $8,513,916 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 4.0 REB: 1.9 AST: 0.2 PER: 9.31
Shaquille O’Neal
Salary: $21,000,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 17.5 REB: 9.0 AST: 1.6 PER: 21.66
Dallas gets point guard that fits better gets shaq to make a run in playoffs and 21 mill off the books in 2010,the kidd trade never worked out for dallas
Outgoing Players: Josh Howard, Jason Kidd
Miami Heat
Incoming Players
Josh Howard
Salary: $9,945,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 17.9 REB: 5.0 AST: 1.7 PER: 16.26
Jermaine O’Neal
Salary: $21,372,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 13.7 REB: 7.0 AST: 1.6 PER: 16.35
Amare Stoudemire
Salary: $15,070,550 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 20.8 REB: 8.2 AST: 2.0 PER: 20.14
Matt Barnes
Salary: $797,581 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 9.5 REB: 5.2 AST: 2.1 PER: 11.26
Obtained with a trade exception
Miami gets alot of talent and an automatic fav in the east …. forget 2010 if you get rid of beasley we make a run now …
Outgoing Players: Mark Blount, Shawn Marion, Daequan Cook, Udonis Haslem, Michael Beasley
Phoenix Suns
Incoming Players
Daequan Cook
Salary: $1,273,200 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 10.3 REB: 2.5 AST: 1.1 PER: 11.30
Udonis Haslem
Salary: $6,575,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 10.8 REB: 8.4 AST: 1.3 PER: 13.45
Jason Kidd
Salary: $21,372,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 8.9 REB: 6.3 AST: 8.4 PER: 17.29
Michael Beasley
Salary: $4,314,960 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 13.2 REB: 5.2 AST: 0.9 PER: 15.20
Anthony Parker
Salary: $4,550,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 10.3 REB: 3.7 AST: 3.3 PER: 11.85
suns get rid of alot of money and they gain a kidd expiring contract and they get young talent plus a plus future miami 1st and 2 round pick
Outgoing Players: Leandro Barbosa, Jason Richardson, Shaquille O’Neal, Grant Hill, Amare Stoudemire, Matt Barnes
Toronto Raptors
Incoming Players
Shawn Marion
Salary: $17,810,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 12.0 REB: 8.7 AST: 1.8 PER: 15.78
Jason Richardson
Salary: $12,222,221 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 16.8 REB: 4.4 AST: 2.2 PER: 15.72
Grant Hill
Salary: $1,976,400 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 11.0 REB: 4.8 AST: 1.8 PER: 14.46
raptors get better with this trade get a scoring guard which they lack , would fit better with bosh and 17 mill off the books with marion contract…
Outgoing Players: Jermaine O’Neal, Anthony Parker
What does everyone else think of this trade:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=172755734603244&teams=20212121&te=&cash=
Stoudemire to Philadelphia for Mareese Speights, Thaddeus Young, and Andre Miller. Suns get a good backup PG until his contract expires; they get a talent young big man in Speights and another great young player in Thaddeus Young. Philly gets to pair Amare Stoudemire with Elton Brand. Have Brand move to the 5 for a more athletic center, and put Stoudemire at the four. Lou Williams is ready to take over as PG,
I didn’t like this one at first, but it’s growing on me. Probably because it appears the Miami trade is gone.
i like it, but philly says nope, especially after young+speights destroyed amare the other day
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
nash
how about we don trade amare and trade nash for rose?, or how about no trade but put barbosa at starting 2 then move barnes to start 3 and bring rich and hill of bench, it would make sense cuss hill can act as a PG because hes the second best passer on the team, so either way the suns have to have hill or nash on the floor to win or go get a PG to back up nash
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