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The Phoenix Suns Four Glass Houses

Reading the comments on this site and others and talking to various Suns fans the common refrain is saddness and anger. Those emotions are typical for those suffering a loss and the Suns are certainly losing a lot more then expected.

Even more then the current struggles are the past defeats going back to the 04-05 season and the collective loss of what could have been.

The failures are well documented but the blame still swirls. Reading the fan meme (is that the proper use of that completely idiotic word?) there are four camps deserving of criticism and they all have a tendancy to throw stones in someone else's direction.

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The Big House (Roster Moves and Spending)

Taking a lot of heat from the fans and media alike are Sarver and Kerr and I would also have to include D'Antoni's GM brilliance in that too. (Remember Marcus Banks?) To be fair, there havve been some good moves too like signing Grant Hill to the veterans minimum and Barbosa's brilliant contract. But from not resigning Joe Johnson, to selling draft picks to the picks that were drafted there is a lot here to second guess. A lot.

Many put the blame on the Banker in Charge. It is overly simplistic though to call Sarver cheap when the Suns have the 8th highest payroll this season. Compare that to the Bulls (11th), Nuggets (15th), Spurs (20th) and Hornets (21st).

When you do look at the cost cutting moves that were made the one that stands out most was the Kurt Thomas dump.

Kurt was scheduled to make $8m last year and would have cost the Suns double that due to the luxury tax. He wasn't going to start for D'Antoni and in the previous year wasn't used in a critical role. Kerr traded him away and replaced him with the much less costly Brian Skinner who filled the role nicely for about $14m less. I have no problem with that except that we ended up paying Presti's Sonics a 1st round pick to take him and Presti just a few month's later was able to sell him to San Antonio for 2 first round picks. That doesn't make our guy seem like the best salesman on the used car lot.

Selling the draft picks to Portland two years in a row is another move that's easy to hate. It is hard to argue that signing Rudy or Sergio to rookie deals would have cost more then keeping guys like Piatowski or Marks on the bench.

Speaking of draft picks, this summer the Suns picked Lopez at 15 (a move I still like) and spent an extra million to move up and get Dragic and then buy him out of his Euro team deal and sign him to a record breaking contract for a 2nd rounder. We were told that both would play a significant role for the Suns this year. They still might but only if the Suns blow up their roster and go into serious rebuild mode.

Then there's the Big Deal from a year ago yesterday. Moving Shaq for Marion and Banks wasn't about saving dollars. There was a slight savings last year but then the Suns also took on the additional year more of Shaq's contract. Of all the moves, this is the one that changed the team the most but we will talk more about that later.

In all cases this points to poor personnel decisions and not a "cheap" owner. Is it any wonder that we are now hearing that Sarver is looking to cut payroll and save money? What's his extra spending got him so far? Only heart ache and pain.

The Head Shed (Team Philosophy and System)

Yesterday we ran a poll on this site asking visitors who they would rather trade or fire. 63% said fire Kerr or Porter versus only 22% for trading Amare (12% voted to give up and move to Portland). These results indicate a strong sense that the team isn't getting the most out of its talent combined with a belief that Kerr killed the Seven Second Golden Goose.

The nostalgia for the good old fast days are understandable. That was a fun exciting team and it changed the way basketball was being played. It was also a winning team at least in the regular season and during some down years in overall level of NBA competition.

Before putting all the blame on Kerr, it is important to remember that D'Antoni was already slowing the team down early last year and taking the ball out of Nash's hands to a greater degree then in years past. D'Antoni understood that being too dependent on Nash wasn't a winning formula (nor will it work for the Hornets) so he sacrificed the three point shooting to bring in Grant Hill who could help carry the distribution and mid-range duties.

Then when the chance came to erase his Banks mistake and move "locker room cancer" Shawn Marion, D'Antoni jumped on it. He said himself many times that he and Sarver were the biggest proponents and they had to talk Kerr into it. Now, some people don't believe that line and that's fine. Either way it came it about, bringing in Shaq completed and made irrevocible the end of the 7SOL era.

Since that time the Suns have been struggling to find an identity that fits the team's stars and also the fundemental workman-like belief that Kerr and Porter share regarding the need to play solid defense.

Having Shaq on the floor has greatly improved one of the Suns previous defensive liabilities - protecting the paint. Remember those good old days when teams would get to the rim at will against the Phoenix defense? Rebounding has improved as well.

However on the other end, despite numerous attempts by both D'Antoni and Porter, Shaq's presense in the lane has created a new set of physics that are as inescapable as the laws of gravity. There is no longer room for Nash to be Nash and Amare is forced into more outside jump shots. If Shaq hadn't found the foutain of youth and dramatically improved his ability to score (and hit free throws) his offensive presense would be an unmitigated diaster.

As it is, his presense at times has made the Suns half court offense look stale and has taken away the rythym that players talk so much about. At worst, it has alienated Amare and forced him to play against his stregnths.

Should the team build it's philosphy around guys like Marion and Amare and Nash instead of trying to force their round game into a square hole? It is a worthy arguement but it is also fair for the leadership to set the direction and expect the players to adapt. Asking guys to play hard every night and show some effort on both ends of the floor should not have to destroy a team.

What is not working as Kerr seemed to admit in this interview this week, is trying to have it both ways.

House of Cards (The Players)

At the end of the day the guys that lace up their shoes and cash their huge paychecks are responsible for what happens on the court. When you have a team with this much assembled talent you can only blame the management so far.

Guys have to focus and commit on a daily basis. This is something that Nash
and Shaq have been talking about and Grant Hill and Barbosa have been demonstrating.

Unfortunately, not all the players seem to share this view. Matt Barnes wants even more minutes to miss shots and Amare...well, you can't blame him "it's not his job...."

The focus on Amare now is understandable. This is a young man we've watched in Phoenix since he came out of high school. It has been easy for me to defend him over the years as a young player still finding his way. I never had a problem with his ego and his wanting to be "the man". He should feel good about himself and I want him to want to be the best.

Amare is an emotional player and it is not hard to see when he's playing hard and when he's not. I am not worried about his rebounding numbers or blocked shots. When Amare is focused and energetic his presense is felt on both ends regardless of the numbers. He will never be a great defender mostly because he doesn't have a high basketball IQ but he can make up for that with effort. We've seen him do it for long stretches including the entire second half of last season.

The problem now is that Amare is getting older. He's coming up on the point when he's going to want another contract so the Suns need to decide right now if this is the guy they want to commit to for the next 5 or 6 years.

Amare hasn't helped himself this season. Since the Suns came off an east coast road trip in early November when Amare had some of the best games of his career (including THE best game against the Pacers), he's played without the effort and energy and passion he needs to bring.

We've waited and waited for Amare to turn it on like he's done in years past but something is different this time and you have to ask Amare what that is. You can't blame the coach and the system for Amare not playing hard. I simply do not accept that it is ok for a max contract player to slack just because he's not getting enough shot attempts. And by the way, in the games when Amare is focused and is playing hard his shots attempts go up. The ball does in fact find energy and Amare himself refuses to be denied and he forces the issue.

The correlation between his shot attempts and the system isn't simply on the coach calling plays for him. Its about Amare deciding to put his head down and attack versus turning down those opportunities. When you've watched Amare for as long as we have in Phoenix, you can see the difference.

House of the Setting Sun (The Fans)

The fourth glass house is filled with the most rock throwers. It is of course the fans right (and obligation) to throw those stones. No good team with loyal fans would expect less. The Celtic fans were hitting the panic button after losing 7 of 9. Hornet's fans are on the ledge as we speak and we all know about Laker's fans impatience during the Summer of Kobe.

Still, Suns fans need to look in the mirror and remember that despite being #1 in the division January last year many of us were saying the team needed a change and wasn't going to win it all. We weren't satified with 60 win regular seasons. We got greedy and we wanted it all. We wanted a ring no matter what it took.

The fans of this team have no obligation to be right or to be fair but we can't forget that the moves made by the management and the pressure felt by the players is in some part a result of what we say and do (or boo).

All I am saying is let's not forget that the same players we cheered are the ones we now jeer and the same holes the team tried to address are the same ones we complained about.

Never let that stop you from throwing stones but also understand if your targets get a bit bruised by the accuracy of your hurls.

 

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Excellent post, Stan

This post sums it up quite well. What fans who continually bash Kerr fail to realize was that he was the one who had to be convinced to sign off on the Shaq deal. I also remember that point last season where we had the best record in the league well into January (and maybe further than that). At that time, despite the great record, I remember thinking to myself that this team would fall again to the Spurs if we had that roster in the playoffs. Did we fall anyway with Shaq? Yup. But at least management had the guts to try and pull a move that they thought would make the team better. That’s really all you can ask for from them. In this case, the players should be held much more responsible for what’s taken place with this team…

by Silkster on Feb 7, 2009 4:36 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Just phenomenal

First time commenter, long time reader here: this one is so good that I decided to stop lurking. Kudos, incredibly well said.

by Dynamo on Feb 7, 2009 4:41 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Welcome aboard.

by Azreous on Feb 8, 2009 1:49 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

great post

But I still think the main blame lies on Sarver’s fiscal philosophy and Kerr’s grand vision of how he wanted the Suns to play. Sure, Marion became disgruntled, bit isn’t it a bit curious how Marion became disgruntled after Kerr arrived? And then D’Antoni became disgruntled and left….and then Raja and Boris became disgruntled and supposedly demanded out. The common factor to me is Kerr.

Hiring Porter was a mistake, and I don’t think that’s up for debate.

Selling all of those draft picks was a mistake.

Again, I’m one of those who won’t believe that D’Antoni was the first guy who wanted Shaq. It just makes no sense to me whatsoever, and if he didn’t want Shaq, what could he have said? “Mike, what do you think of the deal?” “Yeah actually I hate it.” He HAD to buy the company line, and he knew it.

Again, Kerr has demonstrated that he doesn’t know how to make a successful team. We’ve all read about the big D’Antoni/Kerr spat that ended w/ D’Antoni screaming, “Don’t tell me how to coach offense!” The sticking point was Kerr saying, “Hey, let Amare be ISO’d more, give him the ball in more post up situations”, and D’Antoni presumably told him to go screw himself. We now see that he’s right…Amare’s not an effective iso player, and he sucks w/ his back to the basket.

As far as D’Antoni’s GMing goes…at the time, a lot of people thought Banks was a good signing. He was coming off a nice half season in Minny; we had just gotten torched by Parker and needed a speedy, tough defensive minded guard to slow him down. It seemed like a good fit. Boris is proving that he deserved his contract…Pike didn’t hurt us, he was cheap. Rondo’s the guy that got away b/c of D’Antoni methinks, and that really does suck.

So yeah, my view: Sarver/Kerr—>Porter=Fail

Amare’s lack of effort=Fail.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 7, 2009 4:42 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

All good points

I think I am saying that there’s plenty of blame to go around and after laying it out I am leaning most towards Kerr.

I would argue that Amare isn’t a good iso player. I think he is and there have been times when he’s been good back to the basket as well (but that’s not his A game for sure).

As for Mike Stache – I would just counter that even if he really disagreed w/ it he should have spoke out. He was under contract and really shouldn’t have been that scared of his job to accept something that huge. I truly believe that if he had resisted it wouldn’t have happened.

by Seth Pollack on Feb 7, 2009 5:13 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Well done Stan.

Extremely well written.
 My fan’s perspective: To this day the selling of Number 1 picks, was and we are finding out now, that the moves were terrible. This is on Sarver/Kerr combo.
 And my other beef is the lack of effort, and mostly by Amare.
This team has reached the point of no return. They have had more meetings than congress trying to come up with a stimulus package.
 Players need to be moved, a coached needs to be fired.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Feb 7, 2009 4:52 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

On Sarver and D'Antoni

Sarver’s biggest mistake was to let D’Antoni be a GM for a little while. I don’t know if he should’ve seen it at the time, but it was a problem.

No one thought Banks was a good move. No one thought it was bad. We were simply hoping and praying and not paying much attention to it. Pike? No way. He was here to replace Eddie House. Sarver and he simply avoided JJ2 by overpaying Boris.

On Amare and Shaq, D’Antoni was using both appropriately. Porter is not. I’ve done that one to death.

In that radio interview before December’s Knicks game, Sarver opined that D’Antoni put too much pressure on himself to win. D’Antoni, more than the fans, was not happy with 2 “Final Four” appearances. Maybe that’s why he pushed the Shaq trade. Maybe (definitetively) the fans were feeding off that as well.

Anyway, when D’Antoni had to go back to working for someone — someone why may be proving he’s quite an inferior basketball mind — it did not work out.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Feb 7, 2009 4:55 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

Points are well made, There is just a lot of blame to go around. When as a franchise you get so close to the FInals and lose in ( Suns fans eyes, Horry BS) difficult fashion, you point fingers everywhere.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Feb 7, 2009 5:07 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Big issues, less big issues

All this negative talk about Amare, it’s a wonder so many teams are showing interest. You would think Kerr would rather move Shaq, but it’s Amare that the other teams are salivating over. They think he has value. If Kerr is stuck with the Shaq contract, that shows that management rolled the dice trying to win it all last year, and the mortgaged future is here. So while there is lots of blame to go around, some issues are just more significant than others as to why the Suns are where they are at.

by dCoye on Feb 7, 2009 5:24 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

If everybody's buying ...

Why is Kerr selling?

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Feb 7, 2009 11:03 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Amare is a certain type of player...

…a superstar, a guy that knows he can score at will. A guy that can average 30 and 10. So why doesn’t he? We all know of the on court chemistry issues, Shaq clogging the lane etc etc. In some regards you can’t blame Porter for giving the ball to Shaq again after he scores. When he score it just looks so easy you think he can do it every single time. But even still, if you have to decide between Amare and Shaq (Mind you I’m talking about the Amare with a free lane, not the Amare that has to settle for 18 footers) then Amare and Shaq’s FG %‘s are neck and neck. Then Amare has oh I don’t know 25 percentage points better from the line. Unless Shaq has “that position” where its an automatic 2, you know the one I’m talking about, when he has his defender on his back so deep in the paint its just screaming for an entry pass; unless that is the case, why on earth would you ever prefer Shaq over Amare offensively? Efficiently it makes absolutely no sense. Egotistically…errr.

Superstar point – If Lebron or Kobe weren’t getting the touches and shot they wanted and were losing they wouldn’t perform on the defensive end either. This is a pretty loose argument but entirely true. Let’s not forget Kobe pre-Gasol. He made the All NBA team because his name was Kobe, not because he played good defense. The same year he jacked up all those shots to the tune of 37 ppg. He refused to play defense that year. Clearly he was getting the shots, but they weren’t winning. If you aren’t winning and aren’t getting the shots as the most efficient offensive player in the league (Amare). You aren’t going to play defense period.

Amare is the type of guy that does the right thing but it doesn’t seem like he’s doing it honestly, I understand that and see that. But if the Suns were winning and he was scoring 18 a game he wouldn’t say anything. He would at least pretend it didn’t bother him.

by Teske22 on Feb 7, 2009 5:34 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

First off

great article Stan, one of the best I’ve read this year.

I disagree with your (Teske22’s) point that Lebron and Kobe don’t play defense when they don’t get touches. First off, the obvious counter example would be the Olympics where Kobe concentrated far more on defense and let the others score. Secondly, Lebron stepped up his defense this year and he’s getting less minutes and putting up less shot attempts than previous seasons; same thing with Kobe. Why do they do this? It’s because they know that true leaders have to lead by example. This is why Amare simply isn’t a superstar. Being a superstar doesn’t mean that you have no weakness in your game. Like Stan said, Amare is never going to be a great defensive player – that’s ok. It’s not ok for him to complain about touches when he’s not giving his full effort night in and night out.

Kobe and Lebron both had stretches in their career where they exhibited poor defense. However, a lot of that was because their teams needed them to be offensive juggernauts. Who else was going to score on those Lakers teams that the Suns beat in the playoffs? Smush Parker? Kwame Brown? The same thing applies to the Cavaliers. You can forgive superstars for taking a break when they are forced to carry a team’s entire offensive load every game. Now that both players have championship caliber supporting casts, both players have focused more on other parts of their respective games.

Amare has a championship caliber supporting cast. He doesn’t have to put up huge points every game. Shaq, Nash, Hill, Barbosa, and Richardson – all their strengths lie in getting the ball in the basket. If Amare truly wants to be the man, the superstar that deserves the max deal, he has to understand what this team needs and seek to provide it. I want to see him diving after loose balls, fighting to keep a possesion alive, bringing his gorilla game on the side of the court where the Suns truly need him. Until then, he’s no superstar and the Suns are right to want to unload him because he will be demanding superstar money when he is a free agent.

by Worthy J. on Feb 8, 2009 10:36 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I love when people agree with me :)

but watching a game like last night and seeing Amare do all those things (at least early in the game) makes it more frustrating and confusing then ever.

You KNOW he CAN do it. It’s not just the system or the coach. It is on Amare to fight and scrap like he did last night (at least early in the game). I hate giving up on him and waited for the longest time but now as we approach decision point you can’t fault the team for exploring its options.

Perhaps just maybe all this talk will get Amare’s ass in gear and he will pick it up (like he said he would) and it will be worth it to wait until the off season to decide even if that means getting less back in trade.

by Seth Pollack on Feb 9, 2009 9:13 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Amare, yes, but he does need to step up his attitude. Ever since the talks of the summer of 2010, he didn’t seem the same. Toward the start of the season, we seemed pretty good off. I don’t really know what happened, everything happened so fast, with Boris and Raja being shipped away and all the free agent talks.
I do think they need to get rid of Matt Barnes. I do not like him. He is just like other players in the league that I have never liked. I doubt there is a better alternative at this point.

I’m not really sure what I’d like to see happen. I know there’s been a lot of close games, like the Christmas day heartbreak, and all the Shaq rests that were close. Half of those, and it would be a different season. Maybe it would be better to stay put and let the season play out, but you never know.

by Bostwik on Feb 7, 2009 6:16 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Brilliant Article

You put into words exactly how i feel. I’ve been racking my brain doing the same thing. Trying to figure out who to blame. As is everybody I’m sure.

As far as management is concerned, they have made obvious mistakes, but that only became obvious in retrospect. Many of the moves we all agreed with at the time. Now, I don’t know if that’s because management sold the ideas to us so well, or what. But I do think they had the best intent. They wanted a winner

by Funky Flapsack on Feb 7, 2009 7:35 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Good article

I think Nash and Amare are realizing the honeymoon is over and it’s too much for them to handle mentally. Amare has always struck me as the type of player that needs to be praised and coddled constantly, which is a shame and a waste of perfectly good talent. Out of the Lopez twins, I think New Jersey got the better end of the deal, but I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because it can’t be easy adjusting to the NBA while rotting on the bench behind Shaq. I think Shaq is easily the most dominant center in my lifetime so far(suck on that Dwight) but it seems like Phoenix is doing very little to develop him. I apologize for rambling, but a few beers make me feel smarter than I probably am.

by Diosnomeama on Feb 7, 2009 7:43 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Excellent post Stan

What is integral in the discussion is that the failure of this team is clearly multifactorial. So many changes at once, failed expectations, bad management decisions, poor chemistry on the floor; there are way too many issues to fix with a single or series of trades.

It is at times like this here where I try to remember the motto “the enemy of good is better”. In the sense that this organization had it good, yet we always desired better (that includes us the fans).

From my standpoint I think there is no importance to debating the changes we have made, as they won’t be undone, and the repercussions will last for a long time.
No longer is Phoenix looked at as a model of stability in terms of franchise ownership. What top-level free agent would want to come here to play for this organization? They have shown a lack of leadership, a lack of loyalty to players (whether these were bad decisions is at least debatable), and a lack of accountability.

In any organizational structure, leaders must lead for success. I have not seen either Sarver or Kerr (and to an extent) Porter, lead by example. Their fiscal irresponsibility combined with their lack of admission of clear-cut errors in judgement demonstrates a failure of an organization.

No trade can fix that.

by ArizonaCactus on Feb 7, 2009 8:14 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I agree; our problems are simply too multi-faceted and deeply rooted

The championship pipe dream was exactly what it was. A pipe dream. We had a lottery winner’s chance of the championship last year, and it’s the same this year. The illusions of grandeur, the delusional expectations of fans blinded by the over-inflated stats and regular season wins are ultimately what is responsible for these gut-wrenching feelings of sickening disappointment. Let us not forget that essentially, the roster was pathetically thin and simply made to look much better than it was; and that regular season basketball is very different from post-season basketball. We would never have won, but we all hoped we would, because we’d been denied of a championship all these years.

The truth is, management and coaching flaws and failures aside, as well as players’ epic inability to perform even moderately acceptably being overlooked, an extension of Phoenix Stan’s argument would be that we Suns fans have only ourselves to blame for illogically raising our hopes and expectations through the roof, overhyping our players and undermining the opposition. This points in particular to people who believe that the 2007-2008 7SOL Suns with Marion in the team last year could have survived past 5 games with any combination of the Spurs, Hornets, Lakers, or the Celtics.

With regard to the players, I know he’s getting paid unimaginable amounts of money(to most of us), and we expect players to earn their paychecks, but look around the league and you’ll understand the reality of the situation. NBA players are not always paid to play well and play hard. They’re simply paid. Blame not Amare for sucking and having a piss-poor attitude, but yourself for expecting him not to suck.

I’ve reached the stage of world-weary, defeated resignation whereby I follow the Suns and root for them still, but feel no frustration or surprise when we get beaten by teams like the Knicks or Warriors or Nets or Timberwolves and so on and so forth. It’s time to mellow.

by felixthm on Feb 7, 2009 9:56 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't have said it better

Fantastic way to describe the situation Stan – you have an uncanny knack when it comes to putting these sort of situations into perspective.

Definately agree that Amare hasn’t helped himself this season as far as bringing a consistent level of intensity and focus, and that has clearly hurt the Suns on and off the floor, but is definately not the main contributing factor in the lack of cohesion.

The front office do have a big decision in choosing whether to invest in Amare long term now or move one. Whatever happens, I hope it is more beneficial than harmful.

by dang on Feb 7, 2009 10:04 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Excellent post-

Being in DC and having not watched many suns game, I’ve been so bewildered by this team and Kerr’s moves. I’m still angry at that dirty Horry play – I’m convinced they would have won that year.

by ooba on Feb 7, 2009 10:22 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Kurt Thomas... Shawn Marion...JJ...

Regardless of who you blame for these moves… I feel like they were the beginning of the end. The point about saving money by dumping Kurt and getting Skinner…. come on, did anyone EVER buy that? They aren’t the same player, maybe the same type but that doesn’t really mean a whole lot. I mean, when we were still playing small before the Marion trade, did anyone actually think " gee, I bet Skinner will do as good a job on Duncan in the playoffs as Kurt ever did"… I’m not a brilliant basketball mind (something Kerr and I have in common) but that never made sense to me. As for Marion, why not wait and let him opt out of the contract if he was so unhappy, think of the cap room and maneuverability we would’ve had. Taking us further back… “gee Joe, I think its great you want to lead a team but we’re actually quite fond of having you in a suns uniform. Here’s a max contract, now kindly shut the fuck up and play basketball”… I can’t help but have this horrible feeling somewhere in the back of my mind that our team was just soft.

by SBSunsfan on Feb 7, 2009 10:34 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

well said

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Feb 7, 2009 11:41 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and nice post.

by SBSunsfan on Feb 7, 2009 10:37 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks everyone for the kind words

Bringing clarity to confusion is my personal motto. Kind of like Standing Tall and Talented but w/o the cool acronym.

by Seth Pollack on Feb 7, 2009 10:51 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

BCTC?

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Feb 7, 2009 11:02 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Not a Fantasy League

Kerr has made so many moves, it seems like he’s a fantasy team owner.

The fans are almost as bad about demanding trades. These two, combined with Sarver’s natural and good desire to keep the fans in the seats, have created too much movement.

Like with Coach D last year, I will ask the same question, “Who you gonna get?” Look who we ended up with. The only guys better (in both scenarios) were/are untouchable.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Feb 7, 2009 11:20 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

What can I say

You said it all, great post.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Feb 7, 2009 11:24 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

How do you want the Suns to win a ring?

We love the sun for their offense, their running plays and the 7-seconds up and up tempo. That sells the tickets and win games galore.

Most of us fans do not love the Suns who try to ape the Spurs in order to win the ring. If that was the case, you should go and support the Spurs instead.

A team needs a unique identity. The idea that there is only one way, one formula and one template to win a ring is a false one. But the fact that the way to lose games is to lose oneself is showcased in this entire season.

by magenta on Feb 8, 2009 12:09 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

A team built for the play-offs may not win the regular season

I think this season proves. Will Phoenix Suns make it to the finals playing the first or second seed in the first round? Maybe. Past the second round with all the tired legs and ageing players? Maybe not.

by magenta on Feb 8, 2009 12:42 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Detroit won in overtime tonight………maybe they will be nice and tired tomorrow………

by cabezonication on Feb 8, 2009 1:34 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

The Suns’ two biggest mistakes, in my opinion:

1) Lack of a clear identity right now. D’Antoni had a crystal clear idea of what he wanted his team to be like and he gathered players that clearly fit that mold, and he was very successful. Kerr appears to be piece-mealing this team together without logic or a cohesive goal. The first thing Kerr needs to do if he ever wants to be a successful GM is map out what his vision is, and start to build around that. Amare could still be an excellent cornerstone to a franchise but it would have to be one in which he’s not going to be more than a help defender and would be the number one option on offense. Not every player needs to be a super defender, so just fill the gaps with stoppers (ala Bruce Bowen), who don’t need to score. Put square pegs in square holes, and round pegs in round holes.

2) Lack of foresight or interest in developing young talent. This is why the Suns have no appreciable bench and no future pieces except Barbosa, maybe Jason Richardson, and Lou Amundson. The Spurs, the “new” Suns’ supposed model, has basically homegrown talent. They drafted Parker, Duncan, AND Ginobilli. The Lakers drafted Kobe Bryant. The Celtics drafted Paul Pierce. The Raptors drafted Chris Bosh. Free agents rarely make teams better. Shaq going to LA from Orlando is about the only example. You’d think the Suns would learn this lesson, since they drafted Amare Stoudemire. All the years of selling or trading away draft picks have killed the Suns’ ability to sustain success.

I really hope Sarver/Kerr keep these two things in mind going forward. I don’t think most fans mind a rebuilding project, as long as they can see that management knows what they want and they spend time developing their prospects (see the Trailblazers for the best example).

by jburning on Feb 8, 2009 7:45 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I almost like the prospect of success than the actual success. That tangible anticipation and excitement without a lot of expectations is almost a more pleasant situation to be in than one where success has been tasted but expectations are too high to sustain (see 2008-2009 Cardinals versus 2007-2008 Phoenix Suns).

by jburning on Feb 8, 2009 7:49 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Self pimp

Ok – I don’t usually do this but I want to experiment with this post. I added the little Ball Hype icon. Please click that and “hype up” this story. I want to see what happens (basically if it matters).

by Seth Pollack on Feb 8, 2009 12:05 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

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