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A lot of people maintain that since D'Antoni's teams didn't win the championship, they essentially "got us nowhere"/were somewhat pointless, or a waste of time. I thoroughly disagree. Stan has said many times that ENJOYING THE JOURNEY is a huge part of what makes sports special, and I can say that I thoroghly enjoyed the journeys that the SSOL crew took us on.

This wasn't written by me, but it sums up my feelings far more eloquently than I could:

 

For the last few years there has been this ongoing debate on the value of the Suns as "entertainment". The crux of the argument is that Phoenix, while fun to watch, has never made it to the finals (let alone won the title), so one has to question whether the team can be regarded as successful or, more to the point, whether it was worthwhile to maintain a "fun" approach to the game with no assurances that this philosphy could ever make them championship.

Before getting to my almost-certainly-unpopular position, let me point out that there are no assurances in any sport. Ever. The Pistons have been held up as a paragon of teamwork and defense, but it isn't as though they punch a ticket to the finals every year. Their successes are tempered with failures. And like most teams, the failures are more frequent and often more celebrated.

The issue with Phoenix, however, was the absence of any ultimate success and the definition of success as "winning during the regular season" or "being fun to watch". Bill Simmons - love him or hate him - captures this perfectly in his piece on the Suns as "critically acclaimed".

So I'll cut to the chase - I liked the Suns as entertaining and "fun to watch", regardless of thieir limited yields in the postseason.

Here's the thing: I'm not an old guy, but I'm certainly not a young guy. And when you get older, the weight of reality seems a lot heavier. You might have kids and a career and mortgage payments and medical issues (for you or the family), and your folks get older and maybe pass away, and you have wills to write and tuition to save for and eveything in the public domain seems to hit you a little harder.

Enter sports.

When you're young, you can obsess about sports - every little stat, every transaction, every story in the news. Sports probably occupied 85% of my free time as a teenager. But nowadays, sports is a mostly-pleasant diversion from real life. I watch the games I can, I keep an eye on the nightly scoreboard when possible, and I visit places like this to discuss issues with likeminded fans from time to time. But sports is no longer the panacea it once was.

The biggest value of sports, for me, is entertainment. There are 82 games in a year, spanning 6 months. The playoffs, in contrast, last for a couplle dozen games over a month and a half. If you focus solely on the latter at the expense of the former, you're going to hand wave a lot of time away just to be disappointed (very likely, given that only one team wins it all) at the end of the season. Of course you are upset if your team exits the playoffs, no matter what, but is there not substantial value to watching a Suns-Nets double OT shootout (even if it's ultimately meaningless?) If you devalue the regular season to focus solely on the playoffs, you are missing Kobe's 81-point game, you're missing an unlikely string of Arenas buzzer-beaters, and so on.

I, for one, miss the "fun to watch" Suns, and I'd take them back in a heartbeat even if it meant continual struggles in the playoffs. Life is short. Sports is entertainment. I don't want to spend the season grimacing through 82 games or being bored to tears by a plodding half-court system, even if it results in Ws. I want fun and excitement and a fun distraction from the things in life that matter.

That distraction was undervalued, packaged, sold, and unceremoniously kicked out the door. If it results in a championship somehow, make no mistake - I'll be thrilled, I'll jump for joy, I'll fly to Phoenix to watch the parade. But I'll also be sad that it came at the expense of 6 months worth of fun and entertainment. Because if those things are suddenly valueless to you, then you had better be drawing a paycheck for it. Otherwise, what are you really getting?

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A false dichotomy

on some level there is a flawed assumption that one can either be only one of the two (i.e. either entertaining or successful), but not both.

certainly our previous brand of basketball was entertaining, and fairly successful. but people from the front office, down to players and fans wanted more.

the big problem is that this team has underachieved. the fact that they underachieve so greatly limits the entertainment one can have watching them.

there is no inherent reason successful basketball has to fail to be entertaining. it’s just that as currently instituted, this team has not found the balance of both. the blame is multifactorial, for sure.

and, i think it’s clear no single or series of trades will make this problem go away.

by ArizonaCactus on Feb 8, 2009 6:41 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Oh God!

Then i suggest all reference to records be removed from this site. Who cares what our record is or that of our opponent? That standings not be displayed, at all. And that we totally ignore the post season since it matters not. This sounds more like a liberal plot to further dumb down our schools. Can’t offend anyone by having one team end up a winner now, can we?
You are telling me that all those fans of other teams that win their sports championships didn’t enjoy the ride to that destination?

If you make every game a life-and-death thing, you're going to have problems. You'll be dead a lot.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 8, 2009 6:44 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

That's not the point at all

I completely and totally enjoyed the D Backs 2001 WS win. I went to those games all through the playoff’s (and the reg season) and it was a blast and winning made it even better.

But only one team gets to win each year and barely 4 or 6 have a real chance to win. Should the fans in Minnesota and Miami turn off the TV and stop going to the games b/c they aren’t going to compete?

No. There are 82 games PLUS the post season. If you are fan its b/c you enjoy the competition of each game. You want to win each game. Even though you might not win a ring you want to feel like your team can beat the other team on any given night.

If your team is so bad that they aren’t going to win many games then what. You want to root for players that are trying to win. Again, its the competition of sport that is attractive and the key word is competition.

The Suns were competitive before and they won games and the combination of the two for 82 games made them fun. It got to the point after 06-07 that we all expected them to go to the next level and when they didn’t we got greedy.

We were willing to trade that entertainment for 82 games for a chance (and long shot chance) at being better in the playoff’s. That’s what the Shaq trade was and the team has never been the same since.

But as we saw tonight and we saw for points in this season this team can still compete and they can still have fun even if they don’t have a chance in hell of winning the ring this year.

All you can ask for is they try to win and not just collect their pay checks and go through the motions. There’s no entertainment value in that now is there.

by Seth Pollack on Feb 8, 2009 9:13 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

We are on the same page

I don’t disagree with a word you are saying.

If you make every game a life-and-death thing, you're going to have problems. You'll be dead a lot.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 8, 2009 9:30 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Super

Because I don’t disagree w/ rasvaj either except to the degree that D’Antoni was without fault and didn’t want Shaq as much as Kerr.

by Seth Pollack on Feb 8, 2009 9:46 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think an interesting point in all of this is though

Why has Amare dropped off so much from the production he initially showed with Shaq last season? (Haven’t seen that said or mentioned anywhere.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 8, 2009 10:14 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

I don’t think anyone knows and its not just last season. He started this season looking GREAT. Then…not so much starting about mid-Nov.

He did say today that he typically plays better in the second half which was certainly true last year but the upswing started in early Jan.

Hard to say if he’s just not focused or if he pissed about Shaq taking over as “the man” or if (as many people believe but I dont) that its somehow Porter/Kerr’s system

by Seth Pollack on Feb 8, 2009 10:21 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if that has anything to do with D'Antoni leaving

D’Antoni knew how to reach Amare, and he knew how to keep him effective in a flow of the game. It reminds me of how less effective Ron Artest became once Adelman left the franchise. Because Adelman believed in Artest’s multi dimensional abilities, it seemed to bring about a different Ron-Ron. It showed in the amount of where Ron shot the ball, and how much ball handling he did.

I think, in short, Amare’s problems, are so unique, it is a bit difficult to explain why. I only know that if the Kings get Amare, I will stop being a Kings fan. (That is how much I do not like him.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 8, 2009 10:28 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Goose

Meet your Golden Egg

It got to the point after 06-07 that we all expected them to go to the next level and when they didn’t we got greedy.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Feb 8, 2009 9:21 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Ah

but then the whole concept of “FUN” is subjective isn’t it??
(what maybe fun to you, need not necessarily be fun to me and vice versa) :-)

Whats up doc?

by RottPhiler on Feb 9, 2009 5:07 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

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