Suns tell Porter his job is in jeopardy
Sources close to the Suns front office tell me that Terry Porter hasn't lived up to expectations and has been given a list of specific things to improve on. Failure to perform could cost him his job.
Many blame Porter for not maximizing the talent on the roster and for not gaining the respect of his veteran players. Reports include Barnes and Shaq ignoring him on the bench and demanding to be put back in the game or refusing to be taken out.
Porter has been unable to display the confidence needed to earn the trust of his players and, in retrospect, may have never had the experience and reputation to be successful in this environment.
It would not be fair, however, to put all the team's woes on the head coach's shoulders. Porter has his work cut out for him trying to balance the desires and demands of his two MVPs, along with a large assortment of star players both young and old. He walked into a situation where Shaq, Amare and Nash all needed the same space to work. No coach can change the laws of physics and create space where none exists.
Porter's boss, General Manager Steve Kerr, drafted and signed guys for their defense and hustle but then quickly abandoned this approach in favor of unleashing his point guard. Unable to gain their buy-in, the team traded two defensive role players for yet another scorer who needs the ball to be most effective.
It is hard to find an example of another team with six guys that all can shoot 15 times per game being asked to mesh their various skills together and learn to be role players. Five great players at their position makes for a nice fantasy team but not necessarily the best basketball team.
The fact that this information came to me (along with similar reports to Hoops World) says as much about the struggles of the coach as the organization that employees him. I wonder if Porter is being set up to take the fall for the lack of consistency and commitment to a coherent vision from the top.
Terry Porter might not be the right guy for this job, but if that's the case, the person responsible for hiring him cannot be ignored.
I have no word on timing or who possible replacements would be. One would assume Alvin Gentry, who has head coaching experience with the Clippers, could be interim choice if a move is made.
Moving Amare...
The word I am getting from the top is that moving Amare is for financial reasons and that is certainly consistent with other reports, along with what Amare believes.
Amare made these comments after Monday's game in Detroit:
"I think it's all about what they want to do and what they're trying to do financially," he said. "I think their main focus is their financial intake."
I have my suspicions about this. My guess is that putting the "blame" on the finances will cause less turmoil with Amare if a deal isn't done and also serve to increase (or least not decrease) his trade value in the eyes of other teams and their fans.
The term "addition by subtraction" was used by the Suns' front office in the past few weeks, although that kind of talk has now died down.
That is not to say that I don't believe that the team's ownership group wants to get under the salary cap, but if that's the primary goal, there are certainly other ways to get there without trading away a young All-Star like Amare.
The Suns' organization declined to provide an official response to these reports.
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Is what we call DAMN FINE JOURNALISM.
Well done lad, well done.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Feb 9, 2009 8:30 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Insert "that" at the beginning of the subject and it sounds more jovial.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Feb 9, 2009 8:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a sort of good news, bad news story. Good news is Porter might get fired; bad news is another confirmation that Amare might be moved just to save some cash, without much consideration for talent in return.
by jburning on Feb 9, 2009 8:34 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Getting rid of anyone for financial reasons, to me, is a bad idea. And yes, it’s beginning to look more and more like Porter is mostly to blame. We need someone to come in and make damn sure the Suns aren’t bi-polar anymore, though who or when I wouldn’t have a clue. To me it’s the coaches fault when we play great one night then bomb the next. It’s the coaches main job to keep the players focused and execute what they practice. Porter obviously can’t do this, seeing how poorly the Suns play every other night. Talent is there, motivation is not.
Do you think he’ll have any chance to do what he’s been asked to do now, since he hasn’t done what he was asked to do at the beginning of the year? If not, why not just fire him now?
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Feb 9, 2009 8:40 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
i second that
If Amare is moved without equal or slightly less than equal value in return, then I’m gonna puke and possibly riot.
On Porter. Goodbye sir. I’d like to say it’s been fun, but it wasn’t.
by Funky Flapsack on Feb 9, 2009 8:41 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Coach Kerr?
In the interest of justice and great story lines, Steve should step in and prove his concoction works.
by dCoye on Feb 9, 2009 8:48 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Come on, Kerr … make Beasley/Marion or Aldridge/LaFrentz happen and get it over with!
by jburning on Feb 9, 2009 8:50 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I know this sounds completely ludicrous, but Shaq, Nash, and Amare could be another “big 3”(with less defense). Of course, chocolate could be vanilla if it were a different color and taste as well.
by Diosnomeama on Feb 9, 2009 8:50 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
His “defense first” slow approach actually lowered defensive efficiency and the slower pace decreased the offensive firepower. What has he done right?
by Fundefined on Feb 9, 2009 8:53 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
If he was looking to drive away the fans, he’s succeeding. The 2nd quarter was starting as I got home from work, I watched about 10 min., saw where it was headed and so I turned the channel. Once we were down by 15, it was already over in my mind.
by TwinnerA on Feb 9, 2009 9:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
we should hire Mike Shanahan.
In all seriousness, it’s time to stop speculating and start seeing. Kerr, I wanna see some action. If we’re gonna fire Porter, please do so tomorrow. And replace with something respectable. And if we’re gonna dump salary, please be someone other than Amare, unless you can somehow get Beasley/Marion in return.
by Funky Flapsack on Feb 9, 2009 8:57 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
So we bring on Shaq and his mammoth salary last season and we dump Amare for salary this year?
by TwinnerA on Feb 9, 2009 9:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
In all fairness
No one saw the recession coming…. :P
Whats up doc?
by RottPhiler on Feb 9, 2009 9:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Read my solution
by Aluminum Foyle on Feb 9, 2009 9:01 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I was guessing Avery
back when the search was on
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Feb 9, 2009 9:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
avery is a TERRIBLE fit for the Suns. The suns are a group of veterans (at least the starters) and need a coach who knows how to appeal to veterans. I think someone like Doug Collins.
by ArizonaCactus on Feb 10, 2009 10:41 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
Putting aside having to listen to his voice during the post-game interviews, if we thought we had a revolt against the system with Porter, wait until we have Avery calling every play from the sidelines. No thanks.
by TexSUN on Feb 9, 2009 9:15 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Plus one.
There’s a reason why Devin Harris exploded after Avery…he wasn’t being micromanaged.
Nash would hate him more than Porter.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Feb 9, 2009 9:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Avery solves nothing
he sounded like he was too much of a control freak in Dallas. From what I heard, Dallas’s vets got sick of it pretty quick too. I can’t imagine it would be any different in Phoenix.
by Diosnomeama on Feb 9, 2009 9:05 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Atleast...
he brings credibility and won’t mind cracking the whip on some of these guys.
by Aluminum Foyle on Feb 9, 2009 9:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You're not given respect
You earn it
Avery is crazy, but few get in his way.
“To whom much is given, much is expected,”
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Feb 9, 2009 9:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We need an evil genius
Like A Popovich. Someone with wicked smarts.
by Funky Flapsack on Feb 9, 2009 9:12 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
You want an evil genius... how about Rick Barry
"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".
by Pliny the Elder on Feb 10, 2009 1:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry.
I meant to say, steal Popovich’s brain and put it in Porter’s head.
by Diosnomeama on Feb 9, 2009 9:14 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I agree about way too much blame being put on Porter
Kerr hired the guy because he said the right things, not because he was the man for the job.
I’m not saying Porter’s a good coach, but he was really set up to fail.
by hcblankscreen on Feb 9, 2009 9:21 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
True
He was set up to fail. Tough situation to be put into.
We needed a real rebuilding-type coach. The kind of challenge that Cotton would always step up to …
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Feb 9, 2009 9:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
what i want to know is..
When is Kerr’s job on the line? All of the blame should land squarely on his shoulders.. and then trickle down to everyone else.
by brian13 on Feb 9, 2009 9:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I’m not reflexively calling for anyone’s head here, but if the GM put together a bunch of parts that produced something less than a high-performance machine, and if the GM hired a coach that isn’t getting everything he ought to be getting out of the machine he’s got, then shouldn’t the owner be looking at the GM and asking, “How much time would you say you spend on these TPS reports?”
I don’t think it will come to that, though. If it’s clear that he’s a flop as GM, I expect Kerr will resign at a convenient time for the organization. He doesn’t need the money or the headache.
by beatcal on Feb 10, 2009 12:03 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Several questions here
Reports include Barnes and Shaq ignoring him on the bench and demanding to be put back in the game or refusing to be taken out.
1. So, Bell and/or Diaw were moved because Porter couldn’t handle them?
2. Would you tell Shaq to sit down?
3. Does that explain why Porter isn’t sticking to the same Shaq-rotation that D’Antoni so briliantly implemented (i.e., 5 or 6 minutes then getting him back into the game when Nash rests)?
4. Who the hell does Barnes think he is? Shaq?
5. Can you blame them? C’mon, Hack-A-Bowen?
6. Was Amare saying that the captains need to stand up to Porter?
7. Was Amare saying that the captains need to make the players respect Porter?
8. Was Amare saying that the vets (Shaq) were setting a bad example?
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Feb 9, 2009 9:22 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Here’ s the answer to all your questions: don’t try to figure it out because your head will probably explode if you think about it too much. I was in denial about 7SOL being a thing of the past. Now I just drink a few beers and search for a silver lining. Let me know if you find one though, because I’m running out of beer.
by Diosnomeama on Feb 9, 2009 9:30 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
This is what Porter said after the game: "Back-to-backs are tough, especially against a team that has a lot of athletic energy and likes to run," And did you also know: water is wet, and heat is hot?
by Diosnomeama on Feb 9, 2009 9:40 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Nice job, Seth
I’m going to go back to DreamShaking now, where our closest sources are our drunken buddies that will shout offhand, “Trade T-Mac!” whenever he misses a shot.
"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
by Tom Martin on Feb 9, 2009 9:44 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I think you meant Stan...
right?
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by Phoenix Stan on Feb 9, 2009 9:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I am sure
from the outside this is quite a commical situation the Suns find themsleves in.
As a Suns fan from the “Hawk” and the Van Arsdales, this situation blows.
Kerr really has dug a hole with the hiring of Porter. Yes all other mistakes have been well documented, but we live in the now, and Porter is the now, and he is not capable of running this team.
Fire Porter first, like um, yesterday, then go from there.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Feb 9, 2009 11:06 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
oh dont worry guys...
you’re gonna love tyrus thomas……..
by brose on Feb 9, 2009 11:30 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not really sure about Porter
of course, we could blame him for a lot of things (although, not everything). If the system is the problem, and not the coach, then changing our coach will have a marginal (or non at all) advantage.
I’m more in favor of moving Shaq (for anything, or for a defensive/mobile big) and let Amare/Nash take care of the offense. We need not be SSOL all the time, but we obviously need more defense. I hope they move Shaq instead of Amare.
My god, I hate Barnes. The guy is so full of himself. I hope he reads this and gets move somewhere, like CBA (does that still exist?).
by Azrael on Feb 9, 2009 11:51 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Hire Flip Saunders
He always kept Detriot’s offense going, which indirectly improves the flow of the defence and he’s been to the finals.
by magenta on Feb 10, 2009 3:54 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
For this roster...
…I’ll take Flip. Especially above Avery. If we eventually end up with a roster capable of Spurs-like defense, then give Avery a whirl (much as I hate to say listening to him talk just grates on my nerves; something about his voice is like nails on a blackboard).
by TexSUN on Feb 10, 2009 7:38 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Before any more moves
are made I hope Sarver, Kerr, Griffin and the other sit down w/ consultant and go on a old fashion vision quest.
What kind of team do you want to be for the next 5 years
What pieces do you have now that fit that
What doesn’t fit
Who’s the right coach for the system you want to have
you know…thinking stratergically
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by Phoenix Stan on Feb 10, 2009 7:51 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Just going by...
…what the rumors seem to be saying, i.e., everybody is on the block but Nash. If that’s really true, then the last thing you’d want is to bring in a Nash-style-unfriendly coach like Avery. Now, if they decide to move Nash for defense, move Shaq for defense, and keep Amare to make him "the man" on a team similar to the Spurs, then yeah, maybe bringing in Avery starts to make more sense because (a) he probably wouldn’t put up with Amare’s nonsense, and (b) he might be able to convince Amare that Tim Duncan is a better role model than Kobe. Of course, they’d first have to have a "bury the hatchet" chat about this:
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2009/02/09/20090209sunsamare0210.html
"I heard (ESPN analyst) Avery Johnson say one time that I was a bad locker-room guy or whatever," said Stoudemire[…]
by TexSUN on Feb 10, 2009 8:15 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget to fire the guy who hired the yes man coach, made the bad draft picks, and put this whole mess together.
While we’re at it, can we fire the guy that ran Joe Johnson, Bryan Colangelo, and Mike D’antoni out of town?
by stampchez on Feb 10, 2009 6:33 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see the list of things
that they asked him to get better at. Maybe Kerr read my Post back in november. I’ve not been a Porter fan since day one.
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
by PanamaSun on Feb 10, 2009 7:08 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Porter sucks
Terrible decision-making, including waving the white flag early. Does coach not think that the starters could have made a run against Philly despite being down 13 in the third? Or was it Goran time already? He did a similar thing last week against GSW when he pulled all the starters with 6 minutes left of a 13 point game. You’re telling me the Suns can’t outscore the dubs by 13 over a 6 minute period? He needs to play Barbosa more, rest Nash, balance time between Nash and Shaq better, and for God’s sakes, force Amare to dominate when he’s in the game with the bench.
And as an aside, Matt Barnes needs to go, and fast. I’ve never seen someone with as poor hands or as low a basketball IQ as him, yet guns like his name was Kobe and doesn’t defend a lick despite being known as a defender. Piss poor.
by giggs on Feb 10, 2009 7:28 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
dbdynasty's backing up your story
“Didn’t I tell you guys this last week? Sheesh. No love.”
"dbdynsty25 wrote:There is some significant drama in the FO right now. Kerr telling Porter how to do his job being the biggest thing.
Is that why D’Antoni left in the first place? Maybe Kerr needs to just coach the team since he’s the one barking out all the orders."
“Anytime the coach and GM sit down for a few hours and then the GM sends the coach a long long document stating each and every thing he is doing wrong and what he needs to do to fix it…I’d say there is a chance for the coach to lose his job. I didn’t divulge a lot of the info I have on that subject for confidentiality sake. Maybe someday.”
A LONG LONG DOCUMENT? Wow, Kerr comes off like a douchebag…
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Feb 10, 2009 9:08 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Well...
maybe if Mr Dynasty wrote a bit more then just posts on a message board…. :)
Blogging Suns Basketball
by Phoenix Stan on Feb 10, 2009 9:20 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yo stan BDL called BSoTS on the video podcast today!
good on ya!
by STUCK IN LA on Feb 10, 2009 10:46 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry... called BSoTS out, referencing this post
by STUCK IN LA on Feb 10, 2009 10:48 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Skeets and Tas are going to be in Phx this week for ASG btw…might do a blogger meet up at some point. Keep you eyes open. This week is going to ROCK.
Blogging Suns Basketball
by Phoenix Stan on Feb 10, 2009 11:06 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
are they're any meet ups planned?
by STUCK IN LA on Feb 10, 2009 11:10 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Discussed
not yet actually planned
Blogging Suns Basketball
by Phoenix Stan on Feb 10, 2009 11:25 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Kerr's Micromanagement
D’Antoni tore Kerr’s head off for even trying, and
Porter seems to be following his lead like a puppy-dog.
Isn’t there a happy medium?
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Feb 10, 2009 11:34 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Coach, Kerr and Players
Seems like the big downfall of the Suns begun when the “Ohhhh Soooo holy Mr. Kerr took office !!! The Phoenix Suns were a absolute top team, with a top coach and top players who maybe needed one or two seasons more to become champions. These players really had total fun playing, not so anymore right now.
With Kerr’s micromanagement and "old style” basketball from the ‘70 and ’80, he thought he can turn around a coach like Mike D’Antoni……..yeah right. :) Honestly, if I have a team who averages 115 or more points a game, has in one season two winning streaks over 10 games, I really don’t give a s..@t about defense.
But yes, in order to employ a “Suns Destroyer” like Kerr, you need to get a cheap coach and trade away players like Bell and Marion and Amare in order to afford someone like Kerr !! Actually, Mr. Sarver, you probably can give Kerr a raise……….since I believe Steve Nash won’t be too much longer with the Suns either !
Here is what probably will happen : Amare gets traded, Porter gets fired, Kerr becomes coach……………….and then Steve Nash too ( Like Mike D’Antoni) leaves the Suns. And after a year or two, Kerr get fired too……. and the Suns will start all over.
I can’t believe that R. Sarver will let all that happen !!! Maybe the Suns are just a business for him and he doesn’t have a clue about basketball.
As a huge Suns fan for the past 17 years ( since my move from Germany to AZ ) I really, really have to say : THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH to Mike D’Antoni, Steve Nash, Amare, Raja, Shan and all the other players for giving me at least a few really exciting season and a reason to watch almost every Suns game !! it was a blast, now it’s over !!!!!
Great job, Mr. Kerr…………. Why don’t you go back, writing you columns and putting the Suns down in writing…………ohhh wait……….you don’t have to screw the Suns while writing, you can do that much better in your current position !!!
Cheers,
JCE
by jce on Feb 10, 2009 10:41 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
WHO THE HELL IS Barnes ignoring him on the bench and demanding to be put back in the game or refusing to be taken out. HE NEEDS TO GO
by WickedPHX on Feb 11, 2009 10:08 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
OMG (JCE) YOU SAID IT ALL!!! THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH to Mike D’Antoni, Steve Nash, Amare, Raja, Shan and all the other players for giving me at least a few really exciting season and a reason to watch almost every Suns game !! it was a blast, now it’s over !!!!!
by WickedPHX on Feb 11, 2009 10:15 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
More dissent
Stoudemire was asked what Porter is telling the team regarding its recent skid. There was a long pause and a look around a locker room that never offers vocal support for Porter.
In assessing coach Terry Porter, Sarver said, “Terry came into a challenging job. Terry’s got room for improvement and could do a better job. He’s trying to do a better job. At the end of the day, he’s responsible for how we play, along with (General Manager) Steve Kerr and myself.”
You think Sarver’s going to fire himself? Or Kerr?
At the beginning of the season, when the Suns were supposed to be “experimenting” and “struggling” they were doing pretty well. Of course, Nash was playing a ton of minutes and the bench was thin. Now, the Suns are in a bad stretch and Nash is out with injuries (was he over-played?).
It was supposed to be a bumpy start, not a bumpy finish.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
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