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Bench leads Suns to 5th straight win, 118-115

"Bench leads Suns to win" is starting to become a very familiar saying around here after about a decade of never thinking of uttering those words. What a great performance yet again by this young group of active, confident and well mixed reserves. It sure is fun to watch the way these guys play with effort and heart.

The group of Lou, JD, Swift, Tucker and Dragic turned a 7 point 1st quarter lead into a 12 point advantage which starters managed to turn into a 3 point lead by the half.

Then in the 3rd quarter after the Nuggets come out and took the lead all the way to 11 point by about halft way through the 3rd the starters clawed by with an 11-4 run to close the 3rd quarter down 4. The bench once again came in and delivered a 6-0 run to regain the lead which the Suns were able to bring home.

This was a highly emotional game. Certainly of playoff intensity and watching it was difficult watching it to really think to much about why things where happening and not just get involved in what was going on. Therefor, I don't have a lot of real analysis for you until (if) I get a chance to watch this one again. And this one deserves to be watched again.

Box Score * Pick Axe and Roll * Game Quotes

 

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Here's what I got:

  • Suns came out looking great. The defense was so active and the Suns ended the 1st quarter out-rebounding the bigger Nuggets 17-7 and was +5 in second chance points. That's huge for the Suns
  • After really nice stint by the bench to extend the lead the starters got sloppy with the ball. There were several times the Nuggets were able to just slap the ball away from an unfocused Suns player and get easy points. The Suns has 6 turnovers in the 2nd quarter and were - 8 on fast break points
  • I missed most of the worst part of this game as I was driving to the arena during the stretch of the 3rd quarter that saw the Nuggets go on a 19-6 run. Not sure what happened there but I will re-watch that stretch
  • It seemed right around the time Lou was able to get under Nene's skin and earn himself and elbow to the head that sent Nene to the showers, the Suns woke up a bit and cut the lead to -4 in by the end of the 3rd. The Suns again had 6 turnovers for the 3rd straight period
  • Grant Hill and Jared Dudley can Duke it out for the game ball. Both guys were awesome. Hill finished with 23 pts, 10 reb, 5 assists and 2 steals and was a real floor leader
  • Dudley 12 pts and 8 rebounds in just under 30 minutes and the only steal he had was taking Barnes crunch time minutes which hustle play after hustle play. He and Lou were both all over the floor and fought for everything on the glass which lead to the Suns finishing this game with a 46 - 33 rebounding advantage which they really needed to overcome the 20 turnovers
  • Dragic and Tucker were both solid. Goran with the ball and with 8 efficient points in just under 13 minutes while Tucker didn't shoot well his defense and energy were solid
  • The Suns didn't ever seem to really be able to establish Shaq in the post consistently but his 7-8 from the line was huge along with his 2 blocks. There were times where it seemed the Suns reverted back to just standing on the wing and trying to make an entry pass that was too easily defended instead of using motion and screens to get him the ball in better position. Give the Nuggets credit through for playing him well. Both Nene and Bird Man were solid
  • Barnes was a non-factor offensively going 1-8 in 27 minutes. This guy is just not a consistent shooter and yet doesn't seem to be able to stop shooting. Credit Dudley for stepping up and Gentry for playing the right guys at the right time. Boy is it a change to have a Phoenix team that uses different guys at different times and is effective doing it
  • The refs sucked in this game. They didn't cause the Suns to turn the ball over 20 times and the Suns ended up with 11 more free throw attempts so it is hard to complain too much but this was not a good night for the zebras and I doubt either side feels differently
  • This was the best regular season game I've been to in a while as far as fan involvement. There were a lot of empty seats in the house despite the official report of a sell out but those that were there brought their playoff game cheering. Fun stuff
  • Those guys shot 47% from behind the arc that was mostly Mr Big Shot and Melo hitting 7 out of the Nuggets 10. JR Smith was held in check....or held himself in check. You never really know with that guy
  • Running 40 ft hook shots to end periods should be banned. You should not get 3 points in a professional game due to dumb luck. Then again, Shaq did shoot 88% from the line so I guess luck balanced out
  • The funny thing was I don't think either team played nearly their best ball. Too many turn overs for the Suns. Lack of effort to start the game for the Nuggets and off nights by a couple of key guys on both sides

Next up Utah on Wednesday. That is a tough match up since the two weakest links on the Suns bench are both exactly the kind of mobile athletic bigs you need against the Jazz. Swift and Robin both aren't looking nearly as good as the rest of the crew and that's a big weakness right now against these top team. If Robin were playing as well as Lou and JD this Suns team would be a LOT better.

This was a great win and certainly good to see the Suns gut one out for a change. We might not have basketball in Phoenix after April 15th but that doesn't mean we can't enjoy big games.

 

 

 

[Note by Phoenix Stan, 03/24/09 8:30 AM MST ]

I was able to re-watch the second half early this morning and have some more thoughts and fixes to what's above:

  • I was totally wrong about not getting Shaq involved. There was one bad play in which Grant Hill made a bad entry pass that got picked off but that was it. Shaq played 12 minutes and had 10 points on 3-3 shooting and 4 of 5 from the line in the final two quarters (which is half btw. 2 quarters = 1 half just to be clear)
  • I did not give Nash any credit for his two big defensive stops on Billups at the end of the game. On one play Nash anticipated Chauncey going left and got there first and drew the offensive foul. At that point the Suns were up 2 with about 50 seconds to go. Huge stop. On the next play the Suns were still up 2 and the Nuggets had the ball with 21 seconds. Nash wouldn't let him get a good look at a three and stayed right on Billups forcing a tough 2 pt attempt that missed. Grant rebounded the ball and that was it.
  • Now, Billups doesn't have the foot speed of a guy like Parker or Ellis so it is a easier cover for Nash for sure, but give it up to Captain Canada for making the stops because if Billups had gotten open and hit a three to win the game we certainly would be dogging Nash for it
  • Nene of course got tossed at 7:25 in the 4th and not in the 3rd like I mis-remember. Nene was huge for the Nuggets to start the 2nd half and as I said in the preview, when they went to him he was able to take advantage of Shaq by facing him up and both hitting jump shots and on one occasion pump faked Shaq and drove by him.
  • Nene picked up his 4th foul half way through the 3rd qtr which sent him to the bench and that allowed the Suns to get back in the game. He had 3 fouls at that point because the Suns went to Shaq earlier in the game
  • The incident with Lou was pretty lame and deserves a suspension. They were going at it for a few possessions in one on Suns free throw Lou got called for a foul but it was Nene that was swinging his arms back at Amundson. On another play after StuDley dove out of bounds to recover a loose ball back to Tucker who was fouled on his attempt (no call) and when Lou was going for the rebound Nene reached his around Lou's neck and threw him back. No call. Then came the next Nuggets possession in which Lou chest bumped Nene a bit to show is displeasure with getting tossed around by the Brazilian only to then have Nene raise his arms and elbow Lou earning the ejection. If the leauge reviews not just that play but the one or two before Nene will be sitting for a game.
  • Gentry once again went to the zone defense for most of the second half. The Nuggets busted it a few times but overall it worked well. I am not thrilled with it and certainly in the playoffs against better teams (Lakers) it would be a disaster. But for now it is working and keeping Shaq from getting exposed on the high pick and rolls

 

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I BELIEVE!!!!

LET’S GO SUNS….PERFECT TIME TO JELL…I’M NOT EVEN SAY IF WE MAKE TO THE PLAYOFFS…BUT WHEN…I JUST WISH GENTRY COULD FIND SOME USE FOR SIDESHOW ROB…HE MUST REALLY SUX

by ron_dasun on Mar 23, 2009 11:53 PM MST reply actions  

Hmmm

Hill, Dudley, Lou, JRich….shoot everybody stepped it up…Lets go SUNS

by ron_dasun on Mar 23, 2009 11:57 PM MST reply actions  

Great bench play..

I feel good about this game. I’m not sure I agree about Tucker though. In contrary to how he usually plays, I think in this one he rushed shots and forced others.

Dudley and Lou were incredible. Goran was solid. And definitely, Robin/Swift need to step up. Robin did some things well tonight, others not so much.

by brian13 on Mar 24, 2009 12:19 AM MST reply actions  

Tucker

I didn’t think he forced shots. Maybe on one occasion with the 2nd unit he used a screen to get a switch so he was matched up against a Nuggets big and he took a fade away baseline jumper that missed. He can make that shot though and needs to be able to be aggressive at times. He certainly wasn’t forcing them like Barnes has been.

The others he missed were in the lane and on two of them he was clearly fouled and didn’t get calls. Tucker is very good at finishing the paint so I have no problem with those even though it would have been nice if they went down.

I think it is hard to guys like this that only get a couple of attempts per game. Each one becomes more memorable whereas for example we don’t talk about JRich missing a wide open 3 late in the game that would have been huge.

by Seth Pollack on Mar 24, 2009 8:54 AM MST up reply actions  

True.

I really feel like Tucker will really good at some point. He has the ability to make plays and a decent shot. He just doesn’t seem to put himself in position to keep getting playing time. It will come though. He was becoming a real diamond before he got hurt.

Stan is right in my book. I didn’t see him force shots unless he was forced to force one. Say that 20 times fast.

" I'm going to root for the Suns when they are winning or losing, but when losing I will point and blame the failing economy on the Referees."- Me.

by antiw0rm on Mar 24, 2009 9:45 AM MST up reply actions  

I didn't rewatch the game or anything, but at the time I remember thinking..

that he was forcing some shots. I agree that I think he needs to be aggressive so I could be wrong, but even if he was forcing them a little, you’re right, its nothing like Barnes.

by brian13 on Mar 24, 2009 4:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Dudley vs. Barnes

I wish they’d start Dudley. Every time Barnes gets the ball on offense I get nervous – he makes a lot of bone-head plays with lots of turnovers or not setting things up for other guys – the offense tends to bog down when he’s got the ball. In contrast, Dudley is shooting really well, and he plays really smart basketball and hustles like crazy.

I’d love to see Barnes and Dudley swap roles/minutes from here on out.

by tptman on Mar 24, 2009 1:15 AM MST reply actions  

+1/2

Not a full “+1” because I’m not sure that Dudley is quite ready for primetime.

Next year, though, it’s pretty clear Barnes shouldn’t be around. Depending on who is left on the team, Dudly should get minutes at the 7 or 8 spot in the rotation — I’d think.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Mar 24, 2009 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

agreed

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Mar 24, 2009 2:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Hell yah. I saw some heart and grit tonight. The bench was fantastic. Barnes sucked. Gentry’s rotation was great.

by cabezonication on Mar 24, 2009 1:34 AM MST reply actions  

Anyone think...

That the Suns could be heading down the path the Lakers did a few years back where we’d beat them in the playoffs in the first round? The role players and bench guys may soon come into their own and start playing better and we’ll have a contender on our hands after a few years of mediocrity building around …idk… Stat?

by whatisboxhappening on Mar 24, 2009 1:38 AM MST reply actions  

woahhhh

calm down a bit on that lol

by M-A-Nthefkup on Mar 24, 2009 11:30 AM MST up reply actions  

lol! agreed, lets not get ahead of ourselves

I don't want to be a product of my environment, I want my environment to be a product of me.

by SBSunsfan on Mar 24, 2009 1:23 PM MST up reply actions  

I had to sleep so I missed the entire game, but at 5 o’clock in the morning that final score looks pretty sweet to me. It’ll carry me through a long day!

Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.

by SunDolphin on Mar 24, 2009 3:17 AM MST reply actions  

Wow

What an awesome game. Go Suns!

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Mar 24, 2009 8:35 AM MST reply actions  

Barnes I like, Swift is, well, not so swift.

I lament Barnes low percentage, but he plays hard and I like what he brings in other areas. He does tend to let the refs get in his head though—he got hacked and a couple non-calls early and that seemed to take him off his game.

Swift is just a dog, though. We had the Houston feed for his 1st game, and the announcers were all over his lack of effort, and last night you could see that on display. Bad shot and turnover, and then dogging it back up the floor. EJ had the call: You can live with the turnover, but then you’ve got to get back to make up for your mistake.

by SoCalSun on Mar 24, 2009 9:00 AM MST reply actions  

hurray!

C'mon Suns - one more time...

by ZonaFlash on Mar 24, 2009 11:37 AM MST reply actions  

Amazing win

Best game I’ve been to this year. Hope they keep riding this wave.

Some pretty unflattering comments towards the Suns said on the Pickaxe n Roll game review. I never even knew anyone could hate the Suns except for Lakers fans a couple years back.

"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Mar 24, 2009 12:18 PM MST reply actions  

I lost it! ha ha

That was a great game last night. Multiple lead changes and multiple runs by both teams. Like I state in my review my homerism completely got the best of me last night. After sitting here today for a few hours I realize it was a well played and hard fought game.

by Nate Timmons on Mar 24, 2009 12:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Homerism?

We don’t know the meaning of that here…we just know the Suns are what Dr. Naismith envisioned while hanging a peach basket 117 years ago.

by watdogg10 on Mar 24, 2009 1:09 PM MST up reply actions  

From the Pickaxe and Roll write up on the game
The key moment of the final period came at the 7:25 mark when Nene was ejected from the game after a head-butt and then left elbow to Admundson’s head

and then

Every team needs a dirty player and an agitator and Phoenix has their guy in Admundson.

Amundson you’re such a thug for dirtying Nene’s forehead and elbow with your face…

The writer then goes on to complain about the officiating…???

 I guess altitude and sports are not a good combination for producing intelligent writing…

by Fritzy on Mar 24, 2009 1:21 PM MST reply actions  

The most ridiculous part about that

is there’s no mention of Nene dropping Amundson on the other end just before the part that actually got him the ejection. If anything, that was more warranting of what happened than the elbow back on Denver’s end.

by Azreous on Mar 24, 2009 2:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Complaints went both ways

I’ll admit that my brain probably lacks some oxygen intake up here in the high altitude in Denver.

And I don’t think I went on to complain about the officiating later in the blog … I complained right up front about the bad officiating. But I only used the Suns as examples, but did mention the Nuggets flop just like every other team in the NBA. I more so just hate flopping, but don’t blame the refs for the Nuggets loss last night (though it may come across that way).

The end of the game last night was rightfully called, but like I point out being a Nuggets homer during the game last night totally got the best of me. Wanted to see the Nuggs pull out a win.

I also don’t think Admundson was dirty last night. He did what he is supposed to do … go out and get under Nene’s skin. Nene should have been more professional and not let Louis bother him, but Nene, after a season of not agreeing with calls, finally appeared to snap.

Denver has two agitators in Dahntay Jones and Renaldo Balkman. Those guys are on every team. The Bruce Bowen types. You need them and when they are on your team you love them, but when you play against them … you hate them.

Was a fun game to watch down the stretch and the lead changes in the end were pretty crazy to watch and enjoyable as well.

by Nate Timmons on Mar 24, 2009 2:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Well put...

I know on our side I was yelling at the refs (through my TV screen) a lot too. I think the refs were very inconsistent with their calls, but they were consistently inconsistent for both teams. Overall it was a good game that could have gone either way. Fortunately, for those on our side of the fence, the Suns pulled it off in the end.

by watdogg10 on Mar 24, 2009 2:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Well I'm glad you've calmed down since then

and I understand the heat of the moment and all…but wow, what I saw is nene being a thug to amundson all game ( see Azreous’s comment)…and from what i’ve seen of them this year, this is not unusual behavior…so it’s kind of amusing to hear that Lou was the ‘dirty’ player in your eyes…maybe a revision to your post would be in order..

 as for the officiating, while i admit nash did appear to flop on that pick with Nene, the 2 charges he got out of chauncy were about as textbook as they get…even chauncey didn’t have too much to say from what i remember…and the rest of the game from our perspective was a 5 on 8 game, but i can understand if you’ll disagree with that…

 In the end, tho, we got our desperately needed win, and your team kept it’s position because portland lost last night too…and an exciting game to boot…

by Fritzy on Mar 24, 2009 3:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Well put.

I’m still in shock that Admudson is from Colorado.

It would be pretty sweet to see a Suns vs. Lakers first round series. I don’t see Dallas posing as much of a threat to the Lakers as perhaps a motivated Shaq and Co. would.

by Nate Timmons on Mar 24, 2009 3:46 PM MST up reply actions  

haha

now that you say that, I can totally see it..he’s kind of got a hippy, laid back vibe to him off the court…he rides his bike round town and all that…trust me if you had this kid you’d love him…

by Fritzy on Mar 24, 2009 5:01 PM MST up reply actions  

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