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I don't care about making the playoffs and I want to pretend for a minute that financial considerations are not going to impact basketball operations (Yes, I also live in a fantasy world where I believe the "Senate Ethics Committee" is not an oxymoron and may actually police its members).

Can you -- do you want to -- imagine 7 Seconds or Shaq with Amare and LB back in the mix?

 

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In all honesty, I don't know how I'm voting.  I'm still on the fence.  Whatever position I take today will probably change tomorrow.

For all the grief we've given Amare, he was still getting over 20 points a game.  With Gentry running the show, why wouldn't he average close to 30?  On this point, notice how Nash has gone from, "I've got a lot of mouths to feed," to "I need to be more assertive and get some points."  Coincidence or the lack of Stoudemire?  If he were still around, there'd be a lot less hand-wringing and furrowed brows about the playoffs.  There'd also be a little more optimism than, "If the Suns make the playoffs, they shouldn't be huge underdogs for Game 3 against the Lakers."

I'm still waiting to see if the guys get tired without LB.  More than anything else, he can carry the offensive load and offensive energy for periods of the game.  This helps during long stretchs of closely-bunched games.  I guess we'll find out over the next 3 games.

If the team gets blown up, we're going to get a lot of "hustle play" from guys like Amundson and a lot of fumbled passes from guys like Amundson.  Do you want to see that for the next 2-3 years or do you want to bring a team together that could be a dark horse in 2010 and then see Amundson fumbling passes for 2-3 years?  Are you good with just delaying the inevitable or is it time to man-up and take your medicine?

Given that it's essentially a foregone conclusion that an 8-seed/lottery team should not pay an 8-figure luxury tax, someone will probably have to go.  Mainly because of my affection for the players over the last 5 years, I'd get rid of the overly-expensive new guy.  However, I'm thinking doing that unthinkable is the easiest thing to do in regard to other teams' willingness to wheel-and-deal.  If that is what happens, Barbosa seems to play better when he emulates Tony Parker than when he emulates Steve Nash (I'm not making comparisons, I'm telling you who LB should emulate).  If Hill sticks around, that's a pretty good starting five with a solid bench (as we've seen over the last month).

Even that squad, though, is probably not a top-four team in next year's Western Conference.  Maybe -- maybe -- good enough to compete for the fourth spot.  With that squad in the 4-spot, Hollinger probably gives you a 13.63982715% chance of winning the title.

Over the last week, I've seen enough of the team working together to give me hope for next season.  I'm just worried that I'm setting myself up for another season of frustration.

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What have we got to lose (except a $12-15MM luxury tax bill)?
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I was going to wait until this fully played out over the next few weeks to weigh in on this but clearly the last 6 games (and really all the game since Amare went out) have pretty much made a mess of any idea that there is a clear path forward.

I hope Kerr doesn’t have any summer vacation planned.

by Phoenix Stan on Mar 26, 2009 10:26 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

About Amare

I dont know how the heck i feel about him but why not reserve judgement until we see what Gentry can do with him, and/or how well he fits with this team that is gelling pretty good – addition by subtraction or would we be better now if we had amare.

That being said, I think after this year you have to whatever happens excluding the impossible championship blow it up and rebuild with a team that can challenge in the future.

by egp the great on Mar 26, 2009 10:35 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Bad question

Because you’re lumping LB and Amare together even though there’s 2 totally different situations going on

LB had been a part of the resurgence before his injury, and will be coming back soon. He’s a relatively cheap contract, he works his ass off at all times, creates instant offense, and is tailor made for this offense. Also with his continued improvement on both ends over the last couple seasons, this is a no brainer…not to mention that everyone in the locker room loves him.We would be stupid not to bring him back..

Amare comes with a lot of issues, costs, and considerations..with him there’s a valid case to be made both ways…so really lumping the 2 together in the same question makes no sense…

by Fritzy on Mar 26, 2009 10:51 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

LB's going to stay

My only point was that it’d be nice to see him out there right now.

Amare had a couple of good games with Gentry before the eye injury.

Are you saying keep Shaq and Nash but try to move Stoudemire?

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Mar 26, 2009 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shaq and Nash

As much as i wish, that would kinda sorta hamstring us for the future, so I doubt would happen anymore. Dont start the Amare trade thing again though

by egp the great on Mar 26, 2009 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: hamstring for the future

Yes and no. That’s an awful lot of money freed up after next season.

by Azreous on Mar 26, 2009 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess my point was this:

the question was:

Can you — do you want to — imagine 7 Seconds or Shaq with Amare and LB back in the mix?

as tho it was a package deal…it really should be 2 questions…imo

by Fritzy on Mar 26, 2009 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guilty of imprecise language

I was assuming LB was in the mix and asking if we should keep all of the big payday guys around

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Mar 26, 2009 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

LB is the future of this team.

He’s a great player with a great contract.

by stampchez on Mar 26, 2009 11:00 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

entertainment

I want to see the current team for a whole year under Gentry. Post-losing streak, this is as entertaining and energized the suns have looked in a long while.

by firetomleander on Mar 26, 2009 11:06 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

In light of the last 6 games

AND, don’t forget, at least 4 of the previous 6 games in the losing streak were games we could win now that the bench is improved.

Players to retain

Barbosa
Nash
Dudley
Lou
Barnes
Hill
Dragic
Tucker
Shaq

Players to think long and hard about

JRich – is he worth 13 mil for a streak shooter who can’t figure out how to play defense?
Lopez – between now and draft day, you have to decide what he is

Player to trade

Amare

Here is my thinking. We can win without Amare. He completely changes the dynamic when he plays. All of the sudden it is not all about winning, but how Amare will get his shots and watching him gripe to the officials. Trade him and get a good starter and a lottery pick. Draft Sam Young and Cole Aldrich with the extra pick. Aldrich might be able to start after Shaq leaves.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Mar 26, 2009 11:18 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I almost agree

except for Barnes … he’s still a chucker and he only plays well with his back to the wall. There wouldn’t be a need for such heroics if he didn’t help get the team in this position. As a back-up forward, I’d keep Dudley over Barnes and see what else is around for other needs to fill the spot.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Mar 26, 2009 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

gotta stick up for barnes here

the only thing to complain about with his game is his 3 pt selection. His D, passing, finishing at the rim, and all round hustle have all been vital to our current sucess. And alot of it doesn’t show up on the stat line..he’s still young and has alot of time to acquire better b-ball IQ.

 Not to mention he’s dirt cheap,he’s got heart, he’s a good locker room presence, and best of all, the next time there’s a brawl, you know he’ll be first out swinging, thus taking one for the team so that amare or shaq dont get suspended..

 I have to say Hawk42’s break down is dead on..as much as I’d love to see amare get it together, in the words of that guy from sanford and sons, that boy just aint right…

by Fritzy on Mar 26, 2009 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

His "only" probem is huge

It’s kind of like saying, “She’s got all the makings of a supermodel (legs, body, hair, etc.) except for the elephant-man-like face.”

His insistence at repeatedly jacking up those shots — especially contested and early in the shot clock — overshadows everything else he does. And it’s a HUGE detriment. Then, he makes one clutch three (out of 8) and he’s a great player?

And, he’s repeatedly shown he doesn’t care about improving his 3-pt shot selection.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Mar 26, 2009 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks man

I just spit soda everywhere.

"I can shoot with my left hand, I can shoot with my right hand, I'm amphibious"

by Diosnomeama on Mar 26, 2009 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh..interesting analogy

but the bottom line is that if gentry, who seems to know how to run his team, thinks it’s a problem, he pulls the plug on barnes’ 3’s. As it is he’s got the greenlight .

 And if as for a supermodel with a nice body and a butterface, well, a paperbag fixes that up nicely..

so what we’re talking about here is what is the equivalent of a paper bag over the head for barnes…

by Fritzy on Mar 26, 2009 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

the problem is.

If we keep paper bagging our problems… we might as well be a grocery franchise.

" I'm going to root for the Suns when they are winning or losing, but when losing I will point and blame the failing economy on the Referees."- Me.

by antiw0rm on Mar 26, 2009 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

DONE

I want to see a dude at the next game with a Barnes jersey and a paper bag on his head.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Mar 26, 2009 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good idea.

Practical and environmentally conscious.

"I can shoot with my left hand, I can shoot with my right hand, I'm amphibious"

by Diosnomeama on Mar 26, 2009 2:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Core to build around...

Honestly, I think the unthinkable is not just the path of least resistance, but not a bad play at all. It leaves us with a YOUNG core of Barbosa, Stoudemire, and Richardson, with Hill and Shaq rounding out the starting line-up. As we’ve seen, a bench of Dragic, Amundson, Barnes, and Dudley can wreak some havoc. I’m not sold on Tucker and I think Lopez probably needs another season to come into his own.

That said, I’m all for reserving judgment for the remainder of the season. It remains to be seen how this bench holds up for a full season since most of them rode pine for basically the first 60% of the year. It’s easy to have fresh legs when over half your season has been spent in warm-ups.

And of course, there’s Amare’s opt-out clause to contend with and the likelihood that Hill and Shaq’s games drop off next year. Planet Orange: Where Fluxball happens (and happens and happens and happens).

by Mike Lisboa on Mar 26, 2009 11:28 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

they deserve a full year together

Looks like I wasn’t the only one thinking ahead. Kerr should stand pat and see what these guys can do with a full season under their belt.

The only move he needs to make is the purchase of a bottle of chloroform for Robert Sarver.

http://phoenix.fanster.com/suns/2009/03/25/pick-and-roll-mapping-the-suns-offseason/

by Black Jesus Disciples on Mar 26, 2009 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Don't know about Gentry

He’s done well, but I think what he did was realize what was going on and let the players play.

I’m not so sure that’s always (or more-often-than-not) the best move. It happened to be the right move at this time. What else has he shown? That he’s a great assistant coach, an above-average interim coach and a below-average head coach when given the team at the beginning of the season.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Mar 26, 2009 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Win - Win...

Even if it doesn’t work out…Amare, Shaq and Nash’s contracts are ALL up the next season so why not roll the dice and if it doesn’t work Sarver can get rid of them all and keep his stupid money!

by watdogg10 on Mar 26, 2009 11:32 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

The problem is this

The Suns right now have 10 players under contract for next year totally $77m (assuming they pick up Nash’s contract) and that doesn’t include Hill.

The lux tax is expect to be about $68m. Add in 3 cheap players at the min and you are around $80m or about $12m over the lux tax line.

Sarver is NOT spending $12m in lux tax and I don’t blame him. Maybe if the Suns make the playoffs and look solid he will pay a few million over.

So, someone is getting voted off the island.

We will be getting way in depth with this after the season ends

by Phoenix Stan on Mar 26, 2009 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

It won’t be the exact same team, but they can come up with a similar core and give it a run

by watdogg10 on Mar 26, 2009 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

Right now – gun to my head – I would say try and move JRich for picks to a team that’s under the cap. There are about 8 of them.

LB can start at the 2 with Tucker and a pick or other cheap bench player. Look at Thabo Sefalosha. That kid is paid under $2m and is a solid SG. So, I see JRich as the most replaceable on the roster if you don’t want to blow it up.

There’s still the Amare issue though b/c if you don’t trade him he can walk after next season and you get nothing in return unless you extend him to a big contract which I don’t think the Suns want to do. Especially since the CBA is up in 2011 and likely will be more favorable to the owners so if you sign Amare to a long term deal now you are stuck w/ the terms for like 6 yrs.

Complicated matters

by Phoenix Stan on Mar 26, 2009 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will stick to the blog life.

I don’t want any part of that rats nest. Every door you open is just another 5 ton tangled ball of string.

" I'm going to root for the Suns when they are winning or losing, but when losing I will point and blame the failing economy on the Referees."- Me.

by antiw0rm on Mar 26, 2009 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

No...

Come on – you know I have a man crush on J-Rich! I do see the value in letting him go, though.

by watdogg10 on Mar 26, 2009 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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