Has anybody else Noticed? Because this is how I feel.

What the hell..

a. An official may assess a technical foul, without prior warning, at any time.

What the hell kind of crap is that.

" I'm going to root for the Suns when they are winning or losing, but when losing I will point and blame the failing economy on the Referees."- Me.

by antiw0rm on Mar 30, 2009 10:25 AM MDT reply actions

No respect? Absolutely.

The exact same thing you’re talking about is happening to Boston this year.

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by Diosnomeama on Mar 30, 2009 12:18 PM MDT reply actions

I must say that during our Jail-Blazer years it was the Suns who I followed and rooted for the most. I agree with you on the lack of respect part, but winning a championship would have changed all that… and the Suns were absolutely robbed of a championship by the commissioner. Turned me off of the NBA for a while, and I’m not sure I’ve completely recovered from it, as I’m sure many of you haven’t either. It is a sad time for Sun fans right now, but just look at the Blazers as examples of how you can turn it around in relatively short amount of time. I don’t think we’ll ever again see anything like D’Antoni’s system with Nash, Amare, the Matrix and crew. What a fun team to watch… I have great memories. RIP Run N Gun Suns.

by two buck chuck on Mar 30, 2009 1:36 PM MDT reply actions

might be able to turn it around faster

if your GM was willing to part with some of that young talent in Portland

by Funky Flapsack on Mar 30, 2009 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions

That won't be happening.

It’s a legitimate model that the Suns could follow themselves to retool — but it involves 5 years of sucking, which is probably more than Sun fans want to deal with…

The first signs of this would be Shaq and Nash and Amar’e all being dealt in deals heavy with draft picks after the season…

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by timbo on Mar 30, 2009 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions

Suns fans would get used to it.

It’s Suns owners that couldn’t handle it.

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by presbot on Mar 30, 2009 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions

Thats true.

We went through a rebuilding period right before the barkley era. In which we didnt make the playoffs for several years. … THEN we went to the championship…

I could handle it if we had a common goal in sight. This year I cannot handle it because we changed the goal 3 times.

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on Mar 30, 2009 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions

when did we not make the playoofs for several years before Barkley

now Barkley was “supposed” to put us over the top…but we were in the playoffs ever year KG was there before Barkley arrived…even made a couple of Conference finals…I know we lost to Prtland one year…maybe both

by ron_dasun on Mar 30, 2009 9:58 PM MDT up reply actions

i guess i was thinking 86 to 88.

3 years of turrrble basketball. Then we got back into it with winning records and a finals appearance.

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on Mar 31, 2009 8:27 AM MDT up reply actions

Not to mention the whole drug scandal.

Dark times.

by Azreous on Mar 31, 2009 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions

Deal Shaq and or Richardson for draft picks or someone like a Gerald Wallace, Josh Smith or Calderon.
Use Shaq’s 20 miilion to sign one of the free agents this summer like David Lee or Okur and they’re back in the mix. That is if they want to continue to run, then those are the pieces to get.

Summer of 2009. Bring back Hill only for cheap and bring back Barnes if the money is right.

In 2010 they have massive cap space if Nash and/or Amare leave. Frankly Amare is about 25 years old and you build around him, Barbosa and keep Amundson. Anyone else can be had in 2010 cause frankly Dudley (cant score), Dragic, and Lopez (fouls more than he scores) dont look to be pieces to build around.

You cant max out Nash in 2010, but they got to keep him because he runs this motor no matter how bad his defense is..

Just some ideas.

by Lefty3 on Mar 30, 2009 7:49 PM MDT reply actions

Success

Yes, Respect no. Win championship(s) that equals respect. 16 Teams make the playoffs in the NBA, that is not an accomplishment that usually is a given. Do you think the league gives Dallas respect? No, they blew there final against the Heat, they don’t deserve respect. Respect is earned not given, win a championship Phoenix then look for respect.
And our we going to sit around and complain about David Stern for the next decade? Goodness, the Suns got a bad break, we all no that. But hell, what on Gods green earth would give you the inclination that with Diaw and Amare the Suns would of beaten a Tim Duncan lead Spurs team, since we never beaten them in the playoffs and they basically own us?
This team needs to re-group and get some man parts.

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by Grockcubs on Mar 30, 2009 10:26 PM MDT reply actions

SCREWED and Double Standards

Even though the Suns have made mistakes in the front office, and in coaching decisions by D’Antoni, one thing is for sure, and that is the mainstream media will not give the Suns the level of respect that we feel they deserve, but the fact of the matter is, they (ESPN/ABC, TNT, FSN) are under the supervision of David Stern to say the right things. Remember Bill Simmons was griping about how we got screwed over with the Cheap Shot Bob suspensions, but then when he had David Stern on his podcast, he swallowed his tongue, and said the right decision was made with the suspensions, and moved on. I’m surprised he is allowed to get away with calling OKC “Hijack City” now, which it truly is. As badly as we were screwed, the ppl of Seattle got the biggest screwjob in the history of the NBA.

But anyways, nobody, and I mean NOBODY, ever spoke out in the media against Kevin Garnett not getting suspended after pushing a ref in the Hawks series last year, even though Stern was at that game. Series was tied 2-2 after that game 4. I believe Kendrick Perkins jumped off the bench as well, but not one suspension handed down. If the league were to suspend KG and/or Perkins, the Hawks probably win game 5 in Boston, and then go home to Atlanta with the possibility to win game 6 and the series. The media never made a big deal of KG pushing the ref, because everyone loves KG and the prospect of the Lakers/Celtics finals. Yes, they showed the little altercation and the shove, but nobody took a stance. And even though as much as I loved watching Kobe and the Lakers lose in the finals, the bottom line is, the Celtics got a protected ride from the NBA’s secret service/commish.

by Aluminum Foyle on Mar 31, 2009 9:39 PM MDT up reply actions

Maybe just maybe

Sarver and Kerr sold the respect of there peers plus a draft pick for 3 mill cash.

by Gorilla Game on Mar 30, 2009 11:31 PM MDT reply actions

I am a Blazer fan

Outside of Portland I have rooted for Phoenix the past few years. They were so much fun to watch! It was how basketball was meant to be played.

They might now have won it all, but they won, and won big! Your team celebrated MVP’s, All Stars and All NBA inclusions during that run. Anyone I would talk to would gush about how fun the Sun’s were to watch. It was a special, special team. That blend of just the right talent ; finding the right coach at the right time.

The Blazers had the record for the longest consecutive playoff appearances. We took it for granted. Now, we have the current longest playoff drought in the league. It has been painful but well worth it.

Hopefully the Suns will enjoy a revival as well.

by hoopsdreams on Mar 31, 2009 11:37 AM MDT reply actions

Yea, I've come to sort of despise ESPN

Not so much for suns-bashing (although Jon Barry has made me scowl a few times) but for the sort of dolts-in-suits that they put on there and pass off as sports gurus. 80% of them are absolute morons, and given all their money and pull I simply do not understand why they can’t find one or two analysts that aren’t cringing assclowns. Its made even worse by the whole faux-business aspect of their presentation, jesus christ this is supposed to be a SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT network, not CNBC, and the fact that the analysts are actually complete fools makes all the retarded graphics and expensive suits seem like part of a sad sketch-show parody.

(the onion summarizes this much better than I ever could: http://www.theonion.com/content/video/ncaa_expands_march_madness_to)

Although they are just as bad analytically speaking I much prefer the TNT trio and the GP-CWeb NBATV combo, where its basically just a few guys shooting the shit and cracking jokes, a much more appropriate format given the subject. Basically if you’re looking for legit analysis avoid ESPN.

by IrrationalAgent on Mar 31, 2009 4:57 PM MDT reply actions

+1

for the phrase “cringing assclowns”.

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by Diosnomeama on Apr 1, 2009 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions

For some reason the above link redirects to a diff video, just click on the one about march madness

by IrrationalAgent on Mar 31, 2009 5:05 PM MDT reply actions

The haters will keep on hatin

Mark my words though, our time will come and when it does our enemies will know and fear us.

I just have no idea when that fabled day will come.

We really need some things to go our way.

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by Turambar on Apr 1, 2009 9:58 AM MDT reply actions

More proof.

NBA.com shows the Suns a farewell to the Suns and critisizes their ability to play saying we cant beat teams like the Kings. …. At the same time there are Lakers scores at the top in which they had been swept by the bobcats… who barely have any kind of record to worry about. The Kings also nearly beat the Hornets if it wasnt for a prayer shot in the last few seconds.

Oh how the evidence piles up.

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on Apr 1, 2009 1:09 PM MDT reply actions

That kind of stuff P/s me Off.

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on Apr 1, 2009 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions

It's possible that people react against the Suns

because they tried a different formula to win a championship. Not preaching defense is something new in the NBA, because of this, there’s always going to be haters and doubters. We couldn’t win it all, so at the end I guess they were right. It pisses me off but we have to suck it up until we (or any other team) prove them wrong.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Apr 1, 2009 1:28 PM MDT reply actions

You may be right.

But I look at it as a team aspect. The Lakers are playing defense and lost to the same teams. The Celtics are playing defense and lost to the same teams. I bet if you look at the point differential it isn’t all that different than ours is. It’s just a thing I have. I get peeved at that kind of article. When clearly it can be written about 100% of the top teams at any given point in the season.

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on Apr 1, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions

True

but the thing is that The Lakers are the number one seed in the West, while we are going to miss the playoffs unless something extraordinary happens. The Lakers can lose to Sacramento but then they go on a 10 game winning streak (including beating good teams) and everything is forgotten. On the other hand, we beat Utah and then on that same week we lose to the Kings. That won’t get you respect.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Apr 1, 2009 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions

You have to earn respect

and btw – in general I find that even in the Suns hay day there was a ton of positive coverage and yet everyone complained about the small % of things that were negative.

It’s normal to feel bias that isn’t always there just like it is normal to think the refs are bias mostly b/c the positive stuff (good stories and good calls) don’t register in the brain. We are programmed to see the bad so it resonates more

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by Seth Pollack on Apr 1, 2009 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions

blah.

I think everybody misses what I am trying to say here. I’m not saying, “oh poor me oh my”. I’m saying I’m mad about the treatment we typically get by the NBA and its minions ( yes other teams get the same shaft). I’m mad that a sport I love is being degraded while its upper workings are worried about how we are viewed in foreign countries. I’m mad that people WILLINGLY turn a blind eye and except less than coherent excuses and reasoning. … And Panama that’s just it, the Lakers are the number one seed in the West. Why is it not a bigger story? They have around 8 games left and are losing to teams with records like 34 / 40? We haven’t been on the front page of NBA.com this long since we acquired Shaq. We havn’t been projected to make the playoffs since before the All-Star break. Why is it such a shock now? How about the fact that the Hornets had to throw up a prayer to win against the same team we are being criticized for losing against. Did you guys even read that article? It’s garbage. As a fan of basketball I feel its my right to demand more of the product.

How about Boston. They went to the big show. Won a bunch of times… Then turned into a team with no chance to be good for along time. They still got respect. …

You know what this is obviously not a good media to vent.

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on Apr 1, 2009 4:07 PM MDT reply actions

Anyway I'm off for the next few days...

So you wont be reading any unsightly ranting from me for a few.

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on Apr 1, 2009 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions

It's alright man!

I totally get your point. The truth is that the media likes to beat you when you are down.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Apr 1, 2009 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions

If my memory serves me correct

We’re tied with the Lakers and Cavs for the most nationally televised games and appear more on national TV than the Celtics. We got knocked out in the first round, yet the Suns were given more national coverage than the defending champs and just as much as the leagues best, and most popular teams. I think that says a lot about how the Suns were viewed, especially from a marketing standpoint.

One year sure makes a difference, though. In the same season we went from being one of the most heavily marketed teams to being on the receiving end of highlight plays. In these latest bunch of “Where will Amazing happen?” ads we’re on the receiving end three times. We’re not shown in TNT’s race for the playoffs ads, and it’s becoming rarer and rarer that a Suns highlight ever makes the top 10. I was dumbfounded last night when the J-Rich to Shaq oop didn’t make anybody’s Top 10, but that’s just the way the Suns are now.

For the most part I completely understand. But when the league digs up a regular season Wade highlight from 03-04 to promote the playoffs I get a little pissed.

by hcblankscreen on Apr 3, 2009 4:43 AM MDT reply actions