Practice Report - Seasons change, Mentality remains
Today was a very interesting scene at the Suns practice facility. Aside from being the team's first exposure to the local media after a devastating 0-3 road trip, there was a special appearance that seemed to set a tone that I can't quite describe.
Channel 12 News' Bruce Cooper was on hand for the first time since the devastating loss of his son Marquis in a tragic boating accident off the coast of Florida. I don't know Bruce and only briefly shook his hand today so I won't speculate on how he's dealing with this unbelievable loss.
I can tell you he was greeted warmly by the media and team including Coach Gentry and as you will hear in the audio was a true professional today back doing the job he is so good at. As a father of four myself I don't know how I would go on after something like this but Bruce is doing just that. Best to Bruce and his family.
In Phoenix Suns business there was no shortage of interesting subjects to explore:
Most news worthy news is the the update on Leandro Barbosa. He practiced a bit today and Coach Gentry said he did well, and is listed by his coach as "hour by hour" and might play limited minutes as soon as Wednesday's game against the Rockets. My sense is that might be a bit optimistic based on some other things I heard today. It all seems to depend on how he responds to today's limited scrimmage activities.
The Suns are never lacking in humor and their approach the final eight games is no exception. Coach Gentry in describing the team's chances followed up the cliche, "It's not over till it's over" with "I think it was Thunder (Dan) that said, we should put Julia Roberts and Lyle Lovett's picture up there and know that anything is possible."
He went on to say in response to a question from Bruce Cooper about staying optimistic, "We are. What we decided and we talked about it today is we are going to have an eight game season and we have four games at home and four on the road. What we need to do is be the first team to go undefeated in a season."
(actually this was very first question ask but I've taken editorial license to rearrange the quotes because I wanted to tell the Thunder story first and explain the picture of Lyle and Julia you've been wondering about),
Yesterday, Coach Gentry twittered about the mental toll the loss in Utah took on the team. This jumped out at me because I have been critical of the mental make up of this team for over a year now so I asked Coach Gentry to explain this more.
"We had fought so hard to get back in that game. It is really really tough. When you are 21 points down you usually don't get back in the game and we did a great job fighting all the way back and then we get seven points up and two and half minutes in the game and you just have to be able to win those games. Especially when you are fighting for your life like we are. Then we had a tough turn over at the end of the game and I just think to mentally go into overtime and lose that game it took a lot out of us I thought."
I wanted to hear a bit more on this topic so I ask him what teams can do to overcome that and come back that next game.
"You've got to shake it off but it's not easy to do. There's not a lot of teams that are going to shake that off especially when you are in a position where you are fighting for your life. It was a tough pill to swallow because we had done everything we had to do to win that game and we made a couple of bad decisions at the end and it cost us."
Pressing my luck, I asked Coach Gentry if he thought it was normal in that kind of situation to see teams have that kind of hangover from one game to the next.
"Not always, but you know in that situation it was tough and then on top of that it was a back to back game and we were playing our fourth game in five nights and that is a factor, guys. That is a huge factor with a team that is an older team. If you've got a good young team that's got a lot of bounce in their step then that's fine but when you are playing with guys that are playing 30 to 35 minutes a night and they are 35 years old it can take it's toll."
There you have it. The Suns are an older team that wasn't able to mentally bounce back. There's not much else to add to that.
Shaq vs Robin
The interesting side story of the day seemed to be the "discussion" between Shaq and Robin on the bench during the fourth quarter of the Blazers game. AOL Fanhouse had the scoop on what Shaq actually said:
"Do something. Either block it or lay them on their back. Period. That's what you've got to do as a big man. Don't flop. Lay them on their (expletive) back. That's what I was taught and that's what I'm trying to teach him, instead of being out there like a (expletive) loose tree, blowing in the wind."
Coach Gentry seemed amused by all the fuss. He didn't quite understand why we would be interested in a perfectly normal thing but he did feel it shouldn't have been so public.
"First of all, it shouldn't have ever been public...If Robin wants to learn and he does, you are talking about a guy talking to him that's the best low post player ever to play the game. Robin accepted that. I don't have a problem with that."
I didn't have a problem with it either and judging by your comments no one did but I was curious what he meant about about it not being public. So I asked.
"I don't know if a camera should have been there. I think he could use a little discretion too but that's ok. I think everybody is making a really big deal out of small thing. Its no different then sometimes I yell at guys and they yell back. To me it's no big deal. Sometimes guys get on guys. That's what team mates do. People are trying to generate a story out of it and I don't see where the story is."
And then in typical Gentry fashion he closed the matter with this
'First of all, Robin can't beat him up so he can't say anything back anyway so that's the end of it right there. He's forced to listen."
There you have. One old-school coach supporting his old school player talking about laying guys on their ass instead of giving up open layups and getting laughed at. Nothing to see here. Move along now...
Steve Nash later came out of the locker room and took some questions. He echoed the desire to try and win the rest of the games and expressed his bitter disappointment at losing the past few games.
Steve addressed my topic of the day, the team's mentality, "We've had a lot of adversity and for whatever reason we haven't capitalized."
He talked again about all the changes that have gone on this year and getting a "late start with all the moving parts". This seems to be a fairly constant theme for Nash when he talks about the Suns season. Looking back at all the changes is certainly one place to lay the blame.
I asked Steve about the mental toll of the game in Utah carrying over.
"There is no doubt that it was tough stretch of the season playing four game in five nights with a lot of travel and tough games but having said that I would like to see us come out Sunday night and overcome it. Sure we were tired physically, mentally and emotionally but you've got to find a way to give it everything you have and maybe we did but I like to think we could have given it a little bit more."
Nash also talked about the Suns environmental awareness projects in advance of the Planet Green promotion on April 1st.
Other notes:
- Shaq was asked if he was talking to day. "No". But he did seem to be a good mood hugging and even kissing Suns.com Stephan Swiat at one point. Fortunately for Stephan that was after he had showered
- Gentry on the Rockets: They've played extremely well. Scola has made the difference. Brooks is playing well and Lowrey off the bench. They are a solid team and are not going to beat themselves. They didn't miss a beat without Ttracy which Gentry went on to say was not to say they are a better team without him, "I don't know where anybody gets that idea from." Me either but maybe the good men over at The Dream Shake have some thoughts on that? Go ask them and while you are there tell them how great Houston is.
- Paul Coro asked if the team did some of the things defensively Gentry wanted in the fourth quarter against the Kings. "Like actually guarding people" He went on to had "ha ha" and laughs were had all around
- Gentry talked about the zone and that he doesn't know why its not working as well but he is disappointed that the zone which had been good up until last week wasn't (working well). He feels the team needs to do a better job containing ball on the perimeter in the zone.
- Needless to say, he wants the Suns to do better job keeping teams out of the paint on dribble penetration
- I asked if JRich is healthy. Gentry said he was. I failed to ask about his seeming to lack any lift in Utah where he only scored 4 points on 2 - 11 in the overtime game
- Alando Tucker stayed on the court working on corner three's. His arc which has looked flat in games was more pronounced in this practice session
Gentry audio
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Wow!
Awesome job Stan. Thanks for the inside scoop. I’m glad to hear LB is bouncing back from the injury. Hope we don’t rush him into the court.
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
by PanamaSun on Mar 31, 2009 10:08 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
As always very nice. Thanks for the time you put in on this stuff.
I know it takes you away from your family and we all appreciate it.
TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"
by antiw0rm on Apr 1, 2009 7:50 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks guys!
There was SO MUCH interesting stuff in this one. I couldn’t wait to work on it
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by Phoenix Stan on Apr 1, 2009 8:21 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're the man, Stan (rhyme?)
Stan, I really love reading your posts about the Suns games, practices and other stuff. I appreciate your dedication and hope you can keep up with that.
by Diego Queiroz on Apr 1, 2009 9:45 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
My imaginary hat's
off to you. As soon as I have the money to buy a real one, I’ll take that one off too.
"I can shoot with my left hand, I can shoot with my right hand, I'm amphibious"
by Diosnomeama on Apr 1, 2009 9:50 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
This is turning into a real love fest…anybody have any thoughts on how the team responded mentally? About Gentry’s comments on the Shaq/Robin thing? On the Suns defense? Just kidding with that one…
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by Phoenix Stan on Apr 1, 2009 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't
give anymore insight this year. lol… I’m on board to watch see where we end up. Then we can start talking about what we think will happen and what we think we should do. Then when the draft comes we can watch as nothing of the sort happens and the team goes a completely direction that none of could see happening. Which, by the way, is hard to do as I think this board has covered nearly every predictable outcome?
TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"
by antiw0rm on Apr 1, 2009 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Antiw0rm with no insight?
What is the world coming to?
"I can shoot with my left hand, I can shoot with my right hand, I'm amphibious"
by Diosnomeama on Apr 1, 2009 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I resent
this statement :))
TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"
by antiw0rm on Apr 1, 2009 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow I just realized.
Writing on the go doesn’t work well…
TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"
by antiw0rm on Apr 1, 2009 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We love you Stan!
Okay, now that that’s out of the way…has anybody else wondered what our training staff could do for T-Mac? You’ve seen what they’ve done with Hill (who is on track to play every game in the entire season for the first time in his career), Shaq and Nash. I can’t help but wonder what they could do with T-Mac because a HEALTHY T-Mac is still an elite player in this league – like Gentry said, the thought that the Rockets are better off having Tracy hurt and not playing is ridiculous!
by watdogg10 on Apr 1, 2009 10:07 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Tracy is such a hack. I hate that guy. Is there even such a thing as a HEALTHY T-Mac?
by jburning on Apr 1, 2009 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
There wasn't such a thing as...
a HEALTHY Grant Hill until this year. McGrady is nowhere near a hack – he is one of the few players that (again when healthy) can get his shot off any time he wants over anybody. He is awesome at creating for himself and others. I don’t know, maybe some people can’t remember his days in Orlando but this is a guy that over his career has averaged 22 pts, 6 boards and 5 assists – I repeat, this guy is not a hack.
by watdogg10 on Apr 1, 2009 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it.
T-Mac’s problems are at least partially in his head. After all, he went from being in the next Jordan talks to being a running(limping?) joke in the league. As far as the article goes, it sounds like they’ve gotten their act together, but I still think it’s too little too late. Gentry seems to be better at interviews than Porter, giving concise, detailed answers as opposed to Porter’s vague generalities. The Shaq/Lopez thing was way overblown, I think it’s about time someone tells him to get his act together.
"I can shoot with my left hand, I can shoot with my right hand, I'm amphibious"
by Diosnomeama on Apr 1, 2009 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Stan
These posts are quite informative, and very very well done. Now that the loving is done with I guess it’s time to offer my two cents worth.
I personally love Gentry’s reaction to the Shaq/Lopez thing. Gentry took the right attitude in saying that Lopez should listen to Shaq, and keeping himself above it. This kind of thing happens in sports a lot. I’ve done it myself, by telling a rookie what to do or not to do. Although I don’t curse at them, because it was high school. I think one of the reasons it got blown out proportion is because the media continues to look for opportunities to talk about the poor state of affairs on the team.
Nash’s comments were also typical Nash, trying to be the level-headed lockerroom presence. Once again great work Stan.
by Willman on Apr 1, 2009 12:29 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I think this isn’t so much the media looking for a story as much as the natural interest of Shaq yelling at a guy on the bench in public. Because it is Shaq and because it hasn’t happened before.
I think it is a legitmate point of curiousity.
I also don’t think anyone in the media is presenting this as a negative. In fact I think everything I have read about this spins it as a positive that Shaq is doing this.
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by Phoenix Stan on Apr 1, 2009 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it's just me
Yeah it is definitely a positive and I am probably reading too much into it, since there has been a lot of coverage about the situation of the Suns earlier. I would have to say it’s something that is not seen all that often in the NBA, done by anyone. It was definitely a good move by Shaq for sure. I agree that it is a positive.
by Willman on Apr 1, 2009 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking about
Gentry’s reaction to the media attention and what I came up with (hours after the fact) was that it is similar to Nash making a great play to win a game. It happened. It was positive for the team. People what to know about it.
Maybe I will tell him that tomorrow :)
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by Phoenix Stan on Apr 1, 2009 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
if the training staff is a bunch of miracle workers...
why the hell did they let Amare take his damn mask off?
by Funky Flapsack on Apr 1, 2009 12:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
cant controll what a player does.
They can only put the band-aid on.
TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"
by antiw0rm on Apr 1, 2009 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if I'm old school
but I don’t think a player should ever yell back at his coach. I only did it once because I thought it was unfair for him to blame only me for a blown play. Later that night I felt really bad and called my coach to apologize, but that didn’t stop him from benching me for 2 consecutive games. The way Barnes yelled at Gentry that time was way out of line.
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
by PanamaSun on Apr 1, 2009 12:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
+1 for no players yelling at coaches.
I remember football practice. I don’t care if you do everything right and the coach is having a bad day. When he grabs your face mask and starts spitting in your eyes while he is yelling at you, you just take it. It’s ok afterward to go back and say, “hey not cool”. But yelling at a coach…. never a part of any sport I played, at least with out serious consequences.
This is just another reason Matt Barnes has worked his way into the Antiw0rm’s book of least favorite players.
TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"
by antiw0rm on Apr 1, 2009 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I played basketball in a junior league
once, and I had possibly the worst coach ever. He had played college ball, and he blew out his knee, so I think he was bitter about that. His system was completely arbitrary and inconsistent, and one day I went off on him and said some things about his mother and other things I can’t remember. Sometimes, yelling at a coach is the right thing to do in the proper context. However, Matt Barnes is my third mortal enemy, right after Christmas and diamond commercials, so anything Gentry said to him was probably justified.
"I can shoot with my left hand, I can shoot with my right hand, I'm amphibious"
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