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Amare Stoudemire has never been shy about sharing his feelings. He's called for the ball. He's not been humble about his career goals. And he certainly let his feelings about Mike D'Antoni be known (after he left). 45055733_medium

Today Amare talked to the media after the Suns final day of practice which involved a team photo and no actual practice, He didn't spare any punches in letting his thoughts be known about where the Suns season went wrong.

When I asked him about missing the playoffs by just a few games and what points he looks back on with regret he said this:

"There's probably a few games we should have won. We've got to beat the teams we're supposed to beat. We didn't quite do that." 

Fair enough and he continues on..

"I think Alvin did a great when he came on board but it was kind of tough with TP there for a second..."

He was then asked if that move had been made earlier if things would have gone any differently.

"Absolutely. If that move would have been there earlier and also if I wouldn't have gotten injured we definitely would be talking about the first round of the playoffs."

So there you have it. According to Amare the Suns aren't in the playoffs because of Terry Porter. You can't get more clear then that.

But what was it about Terry that made things go so wrong? Was it the style of play as Steve Nash likes to talk about or was it the personality of the coach? According to Amare, there's no question.

"With the players we have we can adjust to any style. I think it's more of a personality fit."

 

Star-divide

Asked to reflect on the difference from the playing under Mike D'Antoni, Amare had even more to say which gives quite the insight into who this young super star player really is and leaves little room for what kind of coach he thinks he needs to be successful.

"Mike was a quiet guy. Sometimes he didn't talk to a certain players. Didn't communicate as well to the players which sometimes can be a little frustrating because you want to build that relationship with your coach. You want to build that friend(ship) so you can sit down with him and talk about personal thoughts and also basketball. You want that friendship with your coach. Mike was a quiet guy.

Then you bring in Terry Porter a guy who's a little more, a little more bold as far as 'his way or the highway'. Wasn't really accepting of what we thought would work or try an implement what we thought would work.

Then you bring in Alvin, a guy who is definitely a players coach. A guy you can talk to and say 'hey man you know', 'family situation here', 'or my kids here', 'my kids are doing great in school', 'how are your kids'. That's the type of conversation you want to have with your coach. Alvin's that guy.

You want a coach that you can really hug and hold and high five and really have fun with. That makes it fun play. You can high five and hug your team mates. You don't want to have fear of your coach. You want to be respectable with him but you also want to be a friend with him."

Get that? A coach you can be friends with. A guy you can hug and hold and high five who makes playing the game of basketball for millions of millions of dollars fun. You don't want a guy that thinks he knows more then you or a guy that isn't friendly with you. You want a nice coach not a mean coach. It's really that simple. I am not sure how Steve Kerr screwed this up to begin with.

You certainly don't want a coach who doesn't let you do what you worked on all summer improving. Amare when asked about what he was going to work on this summer told us how that went.

"Stay tuned. Stay tuned. I worked on so many aspects this last summer, when I came back this year Terry Porter wouldn't allow me to do it"

No fair. Damn reporter baited him into that one.

"So, I will work on some more things this summer. Where ever I'm at or whoever the coach may be. I hope it's Alvin (Gentry), I will be able to implement that."

No worries though because that's not what's most important.

"I think guys bought into the system somewhat as much as possible. We didn't quite make the playoffs but we stuck together, we stayed a team, and that's what's most important."

On most days, updates from Amare on his health or his outlook on his contract situation would be the main story. And maybe all this mumbo jumbo about Porter is old news to some of you and it is the main story. Here's that part of the story.

Amare, wearing huge black framed glasses to correct his newly imperfect vision reported that he's still not exercising but should begin working out this July. He expects to be 100% for next season.

As for where he will be playing, Amare seems to be very keen to say the right thing.

"Even if the Suns don't want to offer me an extension there's lots of teams that are willing to so it's not a big deal to me. My thing is to stay in shape keep my body toned up and be ready for next season. Come back with a chip on my shoulder and be ready to dominate."

To be fair, when asked if staying in Phoenix was still his first choice he said,

"Absolutely. I love it here. My fans love me here. They believe in me here. No saying they don't believe in me elsewhere but I've been here my whole career and they watched me grow and mature as a man and also as a player"

So don't worry Suns fans. Amare knows how much you love him. I am sure he would like nothing better then to hug and hold each and every one of you.

There's more here that you really just need to listen to for yourself to fully appreciate. You will note that it was Amare that first brought up Porter's name and was more then willing to let his feelings be known.

 


 

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Wow, I'm speechless

or not… Grow up Amar’e!
This really shows you that Amar’e is troubled. He went thru a lot of things as a kid and it’s still showing. He craves attention, he wants everybody to love him. I kind of feel bad for him.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Apr 14, 2009 3:34 PM MDT reply actions  

I think there are about 4 NBA players that don't act the same way?

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on Apr 14, 2009 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Can they Defend the Pick & Roll?

Cause if they can, Steve Kerr wants their agents’ number.

PSN ID- presbot

by presbot on Apr 14, 2009 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

guess you are right

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Apr 14, 2009 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wow

Another chapter in the awful soap opera the Suns have become. I can do without him hugging and holding me, my girlfriend does that just fine. Thanks for the interview, if nothing else, it exposes Amare for the headcase that he is.

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee."

Drew Gooden.

by Diosnomeama on Apr 14, 2009 3:46 PM MDT reply actions  

What if you don't have a girlfriend to hug you?

Can I still have Amare’s hugs, then?

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Apr 14, 2009 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

They're all yours man.

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee."

Drew Gooden.

by Diosnomeama on Apr 14, 2009 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

This

pretty much sums up what Amare was talking about with Gentry.

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee."

Drew Gooden.

by Diosnomeama on Apr 14, 2009 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Damn it! My link didn't show up!

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee."

Drew Gooden.

by Diosnomeama on Apr 14, 2009 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JlVqfC8-UI&feature=related

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee."

Drew Gooden.

by Diosnomeama on Apr 14, 2009 4:04 PM MDT reply actions  

It's interviews like this that make we wonder

I wonder if teams giving access to the players all the time is a good thing. Amare is not a Ph.D. candidate for a reason. He rambles and meanders all over the place. If he actually took the time to think about what he was saying — or wrote it out before saying it — I doubt it would sound the same.

He said D’Antoni was a quiet guy. Maybe he was talking about Dan, because I don’t remember Mike ever shutting up.

He went out of his way to make amends (at least twice) to the veterans, saying Nash, Shaq and Hill have done a great job keeping the team together and showing great leadership. Someone told him to get that in the next time he got a chance.

Then the discussion about Porter’s attitude — well, actually, quite a few observers credit Lopez’ and Dragic’s second half of the season with a change in the coaches.

I’m not defending Amare; I’m just saying that sometimes persons with big egoes like to hear themselves talk and they sometimes ramble on in a rather pathological way. I’m not sure I would want my life continually documented in this way.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Apr 14, 2009 4:15 PM MDT reply actions  

Come on now

These guys get media training and it’s not like they are getting grilled by a hostile Euro press corp. All he has to do is not talk about it.

by Seth Pollack on Apr 14, 2009 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

And join the ranks of every other NBA player.

As a fan I love this stuff. As an athletic individual myself I understand where he is coming from. As a professional in the IT world getting payed to do a job I understand how hard it is to work for a boss that you clash with. Yes these guys make a lot of money.

Frankly I’m a little sick of the “shhh” attitude that surrounds the NBA. I think that’s part of the real problem.

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on Apr 14, 2009 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

media training? c'mon, Stan

Give anyone else like Amare (yes, I mean a poor, inner-city youth who barely got out of high school and had a broken family life) a microphone and a question and you might not get a Teleprompter-Worthy response.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Apr 14, 2009 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

A lot of Amare bashing...

But obviously the brass thought that the Suns lack of wins was at least partly because of Porter – dude was fired in the middle of the season and it wasn’t because of one of Isaiah Thomas’ “truck parties.” So yes, Amare is throwing Porter under the bus in a sense, but he’s also speaking the truth…Porter’s system wasn’t producing the wins necessary to get this team to the playoffs.

by watdogg10 on Apr 14, 2009 4:22 PM MDT reply actions  

And ...

If that’s what Amare really feels. Then doesn’t that make him a bigger man for not being afraid to say it in front of the media?

TO THE NBA - " Yeah, you have created a rift within me ; Now there have been ; several complications ; that have left me feeling nothing ; I might say, you were ; wrong to take it from me ; Left me feeling nothing " - Disturbed, "Numb"

by antiw0rm on Apr 14, 2009 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Was it Porters system or the players?

If you ask me, none of the players really bought off on it and gave it there all. From day one, players including those no longer here complained.

by Gorilla Game on Apr 14, 2009 11:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Okay Stan

this is clearly about bashing Amar’e now isn’t it? It’s not AT ALL okay that he is saying these things about Porter to the media. He HAS failed to live up to expectations. But Porter did not get fired without a reason. the team was playing bad. real bad. They improved under Gentry, and MIGHT have made the playoffs if Amar’e was playing, and a ton of other ‘ifs’ to which we got used to in the past few seasons. Obviously, you don’t have to be great friends with your coach (just try to imagine that with Sloan or Popovich), but you DO have to have a good relationship with him and buy into his system. Nash didn’t. He got a fair share of criticism, even though he is really unable to play any other style (sadly) than run n gun. Of course Shaq was good under Porter – the whole team, filled with superb offensive players, was centered around him, which arose his ego, and prompted him to play better – and act as a black hole, as he frequently was in his earlier days – only now, he’s not that good. The whole point of this rant is: I feel like you diss him more than he deserves. Gentry IS a good coach for this team. And why, oh why, OH WHY is the moron meter is still in favor of genius??

Once upon a time the Suns got out on the break... and along came Steve sucKerr

by Murcy on Apr 14, 2009 4:30 PM MDT reply actions  

okay sorry for the first sentence. it was a bit rushed

Once upon a time the Suns got out on the break... and along came Steve sucKerr

by Murcy on Apr 14, 2009 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

This article isn't about Amare; it's about how Stan thinks Porter got screwed

You know, maybe Porter was brought in to introduce a different mindset, but i think Amare’s right, if Porter wasn’t a good communicator or he was just a poor coach, how is that the players’ fault? Stan, it’s time to admit that a change in coach was a good thing for this team

by Funky Flapsack on Apr 14, 2009 5:33 PM MDT reply actions  

Porter did get screwed

I think the discussion is should look at how and why. First, Kerr made a bad choice. That is a given. Is it, however, such a bad choice that the players cannot be blamed? The answer is: “no.”

So, then, where in that broad spectrum of possibilities does the blame fall? The players for being babies? Porter for being too stubborn but not smart enough to make it work (remember that D’Antoni is both stubborn and smart)? There sure is a lot to consider.

I think, though, that Stoudemire was not throwing Porter under the bus until Porter had left on the bus. As the bus was pulling up, Nash/Raja/Boris threw him under it.

Is that because Stoudemire is such a thoughtful, diplomatic-minded individual? Or, is it because he buys into the system at the moment, lives existentially and speaks pathologically? I vote for the latter. Which also explains his flip-flop on the Suns’ “leadership” problems.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Apr 14, 2009 5:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

Amare does seem like an easily influenced mind. Like he’s basing his opinions on what the media is saying, or what the “in” crowd likes.

by Funky Flapsack on Apr 14, 2009 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

True enough

that I have my opinion what has always been from day1 that yes, Porter was a bad hire, a bad fit and his firing was the right move BUT ALSO that the players have a role in his not being successful.

As for Amare – you can listen yourself. No one asked him about Porter until he brought it up. He choose to talk about Porter. He choose to talk about a very good and well respected ball player in the way he did. He had a lot of other things he could have said besides what he did.

Like he could have said (if asked) ’it’s too bad things didn’t work out but we are focused on the future’. Cliche? Yes. But also respectful of the man. I guess I am just old school that way and don’t think players should be talking bad about their coaches.

I get that this is a player’s league and you can’t fire the players but that doesn’t mean I like it.

This also shows a lot about who Amare is and what’s important to him. That is pretty useful information when forming an opinion if this is a guy you want on your team compared to other “greats” that are more professional if less talented.

And finally, it would be another thing entirely if Amare had played great despite the issues. He didn’t. Remember the polls around here screaming for him to be traded? That wasn’t b/c of Porter. That was b/c Amare wasn’t working hard on the floor and was regularly getting out rebounded by guards.

What you see here is a guy who was upset b/c his boss didn’t let him play the way he wanted to play and he let that affect his performance. I don’t think I will ever be ok with that from any player.

Grant is a big Gentry fan but he also played hard all season long. Shaq is a big Gentry fan but he’s not said word one about Porter and he played hard all season long.

As we’ve seen over the past so many years, talent only gets you so far in this league. Character matters. And basketball reveals it.

by Seth Pollack on Apr 14, 2009 7:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm going to start charging you a dollar

every time you quote me. I kid I kid!
I totally agree. I didn’t like Porter since the beginning. I wanted to give him a chance but it really seemed like the job was just too much for him but I will never accept any coach bashing from any player. There’s a reason why he’s the coach and you should respect him even if you don’t like him. Amar’e played like crap during a large stretch of the season and several times i found myself wishing he was benched by Porter and that never happened. Just because of that he should be grateful. He needs to shut the f*ck up and play hard. Period.

"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"

by PanamaSun on Apr 14, 2009 9:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Porter was part of the problem.

If I sign up to be a manager in my profession, these things are true:

  1. The role of a manager is to “add value” to the work done by his/her subordinates, otherwise there’s no point in me being there.
  2. If I come to an existing stable organization, then I can only make small changes at any given time. Big changes must come as the accumulation of small changes.
  3. I can’t change the culture in any dramatic way, except through these small incremental steps.
  4. I have to get “buy-in” for change, and not force the issue.
  5. I have to respect the people working for me, especially industry veterans, and not cause personality conflicts.

As far as I can tell, TP failed on all counts. And, Kerr did stick by Porter, when he traded Raja and Boris. If the Suns didn’t have a shot at the playoffs, TP would probably have survived. But, I’m convinced that this team actually had a decent shot at the brass ring with some minor modifications to the strategy/tactics/lineup.

TP tried to rebuild the engine and the transmission on a muscle car that just needed a tune-up, and maybe some new tires. Of course, he was doomed to fail.

Now, if TP had been at any Silicon Valley startup, and had comported himself the same way he did in Phoenix, he would have been fired just as quickly, and just as unceremoniously, like any other bad boss. No sentimentality, or gripes about how unfair everything is.

That’s not to say he’s a bad coach, but he was a bad fit.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Apr 14, 2009 6:27 PM MDT reply actions  

I’m surprise that Mike D was the quiet one lol

by Azrael on Apr 14, 2009 6:48 PM MDT reply actions  

The Amare bashing is the one we need to stop

Amare needs a coach who is patient and guide him and he really needs it. I wish we had a coach like Ewing who is guiding Dwight and you can really see the improvement.

We also need to lay off Amare for a while or we risk reducing his motivation to play better or play at the same level as 2007-2008. I’ll settle for that if he does not get better i.e. double double threat with close to 10 rebounds and plenty of blocks.

And if we do want to trade him for good players and high picks, we have to stop giving team the impression that we can’t wait to get rid of him because the other teams will lowball us.

Can Suns fans take that into consideration?

We need to trade Nash and get a floor general who can play defense, especially when we can’t defend the perimeter that. Zone is only going to get us that far…

by magenta on Apr 14, 2009 11:08 PM MDT reply actions  

The difference

between Dwight and Amare is Dwight shows willingness to learn, and Amare seems willing to coast through his career on raw talent.

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee."

Drew Gooden.

by Diosnomeama on Apr 14, 2009 11:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Dwight was like Amare in 2007 and 2008

You may not have followed Orlando in those years but there were games where the coach benched him for ignoring rebounding and defense. Scoring was the thing for him.

Until he finally realised that he had to carry his team rather than pad the stats.

E Wing was also a great one-to-one coach for him.

Amare needs constant attention as he is still as insecure as they come as he lacks college basketball experience.

When the attention is on Nash or Shaq, he feels slighted and unmotivated and plays poorly like what he did under Porter who ran 2 out of 3 plays through Shaq instead.

I think Suns are being way too judgemental on Amare when he’s still so young, Nash is one good example of a late achiever. So why not Amare if we give him the close guidance and fan support he needs?

After all, most of you give Nash a free pass half the time for zero defense and PGs having career nights against him becos of shooting, FG% and assists?

So why not lay off Amare a little more with his shooting, blocking and rebounding abilities?

by magenta on Apr 14, 2009 11:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Coast?

Look, we all know that Amare hasn’t made the progress on the defensive end that we would all like to see but he hasn’t just coasted on raw talent. He has worked HARD to add the midrange game and has become one of the best midrange shooters in the league. He has become a much better rebounder than he was when he first arrived and has learned to be effective around the rim without having to dunk it. Yes, he definitely needs to focus on the defensive end and learn better defensive fundamentals and have the tenacity to want to defend the better big men in the league as opposed to just letting others take care of it – but dude hasn’t just coasted. He successfully came back from microfracture surgery (just ask Kenyon Martin how hard that is) and has refined his game to become one of the best offensive PFs in the league.

by watdogg10 on Apr 15, 2009 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not going to play semantics today.

If you have a better word, by all means.

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee."

Drew Gooden.

by Diosnomeama on Apr 15, 2009 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

+ 1

Glad someone noticed that Amare did work hard in his own way under difficult chances.

But the people here still wants him to transform into Tim Duncan for some reason.

by magenta on Apr 16, 2009 1:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

You know,

that’s the same rationale I used to avoid going to college for years. I kept telling myself “I’m still young, there’s still time”. That’s how you end up going nowhere. Will you be saying that about Amare when he’s 30 if he shows little or no improvement? Potential is only a worthwhile attribute if it’s put to use.

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee."

Drew Gooden.

by Diosnomeama on Apr 15, 2009 9:58 AM MDT reply actions  

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