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Mark Cuban using blogs to skirt tampering rules?

Mark Cuban, the flamboyant and tech savvy owner of the Dallas Mavericks is known for flaunting the NBA's rules and paying fines as a result. It would come as no surprise then if Cuban used a supposedly unaffiliated and independent blogger to stir up trouble and skirt the league's ban on tampering.

In early April when the Suns were in Dallas for their final epic and failed attempt to keep playoff hopes alive in Phoenix, a rumor surfaced that Shaquille O'Neal wanted to be traded to the Mavericks.

The rumor was first floated on a web site called Dallasbasketball.com by the site's primary author Mike Fisher.

We have since learned that Mike has a long standing relationship with Cuban and his web site is owned by Dallas Basketball LTD, the limited partnership which owns the Dallas Mavericks. The Mavericks Director of Technology & Information Systems, Ken Bonzon is listed as the administrative contact for the web site.

The association between the team and the original publication of a thinly sourced rumor raises questions that tie into something a sports agent told me regarding Cuban's use of "non-traditional media" to stir up trouble with other teams and to insert himself into discussions that would otherwise be forbidden under the tampering ban.

According to the NBA Salary Cap FAQ, "tampering is when a player or team directly or indirectly entices, induces or persuades anybody (player, general manager, etc.) who is under contract with another team to negotiate for their services. The NBA takes tampering very seriously and may impose stiff penalties if it is discovered.."

I asked Fisher via email to clarify his association with the Mavericks and the ownership of this web site.

 


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Fisher responded by confirming that he's known Cuban for many years but that he's not been "used" in any way different then any other media outlet. His only response regarding the administration of his web site was that he "pays for it" and that he is self-employed.

Certainly, Mike is right that team owners and GM's regularly use the media to advance their own agenda. Typically, though a rumor such as the one floated about Shaq would be sourced at least to a "unnamed source with the Mavericks" instead of to "friends of Shaq".

I emailed Mark Cuban and the Dallas Mavericks for additional clarification regarding his relationship to Fisher and the web site. Cuban responded via email saying this:

"ken administers quite a few sites for myself and friends and has for more than 9 years. DallasBasketball is a site i got involved with  9 years ago before the NBA was active on the net and over which I have zero editorial involvement.  Fish writes what he wants to write and talks to who he wants to talk to.. Just as its been for 9 years."

Cuban went on to say

"it was disclosed and discussed years ago. Its not like the Whois hasnt been brought up many times before. That information is about as public as you can get.
As far as what he prints and why, thats up to him. Im not involved at all. Not even a little tiny bit. You have to discuss that with him.
Its hard to tamper when you dont have any idea whats being written, wouldnt you say ?
"

To clarify the uncertainly in that response, I asked Cuban directly if he denied being the source of the rumor or having any knowledge of the source of the rumor. His response to me was....enlightening

"What part of "not involved with him" didnt make sense ? Im all for you playing a Jr Dan Rather, but come on. Why would I even care what Shaq or anyone says. It has no impact on what happens in the real world.

Time to step away from the blog and get a real job."

Not to split hairs, but I did spend four years as a federal law enforcement agent (Army CID) and helped prosecute criminal cases back in the day so I can't help but notice that Cuban technically never did deny being the source of the rumor. Like he said though, it's not as if what he or Shaq says has any impact in the real world. Unless of course he violated league rules. Again.

I will now return to my day job as assistant to the managing janitor in my mother's basement.

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well, he is a live wire, that's for sure...

and Kudos to Stan for digging, but it sounds like he was pretty up front with his initial response..i’m pretty impressed that he answered at all, to be honest.

Let’s face it, as much as I like this blog, it’s one of thousands of sports blogs out there, so it was pretty nice of him to give as thorough of an answer as he did…

 Stan when you asked him for ‘additional clarification regarding his relationship to Fisher and the web site’, what part did you find ‘uncertain’? I thought it was a pretty straightforward answer, to be honest…

as for his 2nd answer, well, you can’t say it’s suprising…that guy takes more crazy pills than Garnet..lol..

 regardless, it was a good effort and even though it seems deserted around here, we do indeed appreciate it!

by Fritzy on Apr 20, 2009 5:12 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Well done, Stan

Before anyone thinks about believing Cuban when it comes to this stuff, I offer this, from Jan. 29, 2008:

Knowing that, a deal that makes sense for two teams is Kidd to the Mavericks. To make the salaries match, the Mavs could offer Devin Harris, Jerry Stackhouse, DeSagana Diop, Juwan Howard and Devean George. The latter three all have expiring contracts, which would clear about about $5 million off the Nets’ books this summer, free them of paying Kidd $21-plus million next season and give them a pair of solid guards in Harris and Stackhouse. (Mark Cuban, however, doesn’t see it this way. When I asked him via e-mail if the above proposal had any substance, he replied: “Step away from your crack dealer.” I’m taking that as a no, he doesn’t see that deal happening.)

Two weeks later, the Mavs reached a deal in principle with the Nets that included Harris, Stack, Diop and George. (Devean blocked it, Van Horn and a few million of Mark’s stash went instead.)

Mark thinks this is all a game, and has proven to be a liar in these situations. Kudos to Stan for pinning him down on this.

by Ziller on Apr 20, 2009 5:14 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

If I thought David Stern, or any of the other owners

were honest brokers in any of this, I’d give a rat’s ass.

But after what has happened with Joe Smith, Seattle/Oklahoma, and all the other under the table deals that go on… In Stern’s eyes, the only crime Cuban is guilty of is the one of getting caught.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Apr 20, 2009 6:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

because Mark wanted to protect Devin from knowing he was on the block, he’s a liar? What if the trade didn’t actually work out, and Devin was aware that his value to his team wasn’t actually as high as he originally thought?

And you say “Mark thinks this is all a game”.. dude, it is a game.

by JayKim41 on Apr 22, 2009 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, no, no.

If you play on the rec league at your local gym, then it’s a game. When you throw large amounts of money into it, it’s a business.

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee."

Drew Gooden.

by Diosnomeama on Apr 22, 2009 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, I love the Whois search

It’s a beautiful thing. I personally want to commend you for your “Jr Dan Rather” play. You think, as an entrepeneur for a tech company (i’m not even sure he does, other than owning the Mavs) would be more respectful of the blogosphere, and it’s rise to a viable source of media and reporting. I think Cuban really comes off as ignorant and a jerk in his reponse. Keep it up Stan. As the newspapers fall, the only ones left standing will be bloggers and web-reporters like yourself

by Funky Flapsack on Apr 20, 2009 5:49 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

wow.

i like cuban even less now. he’s the owner of an NBA team, yet still takes time out of his day to insult bloggers? now that’s class…

by iamtrevorpaxton on Apr 20, 2009 6:07 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

way to go stan

i understand that you just had to coax an outright denial from the man… his statements while alluding to his innocence likewise didn’t categorically state that he didn’t have a hand in spreading the rumor… the sly devil is slippery…

by menacejinx on Apr 20, 2009 6:51 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Hah.

Nice.

This is good stuff.

by Azreous on Apr 20, 2009 6:59 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

The guy suffers from short person's disorder.

I wouldn’t know, since I’m 6’4". Mwahahahahahaha! He can have his money and insecurity.

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee."

Drew Gooden.

by Diosnomeama on Apr 20, 2009 9:19 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Love it

Though we should talk more. I just got promoted to the managing janitor in my mother’s basement… It’s not that hard of work, and I could probably give you some good tips on how to get there. Let me know.

Blogging at RidiculousUpside

by Scott Schroeder on Apr 21, 2009 12:16 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

A Jr Dan Rather

Shouldn’t it be “Dan Rather, Jr.”? In any event, that Dan guy has never “investigated anything.” I’d rather be compared to John Stossel — that guy is always breaking the cover on the informercial scams.

Not only did he insult you, but he didn’t even insult you with an investigator’s name.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Apr 21, 2009 12:59 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

the Dan Rather ref was to the alleged George Bush Memo scandal

I’m sure it was meant as an insult, i.e. to describe someone who thinks he’s done an amazing piece of earth shattering investigative journalism, but actually turned up nothing. Think a pint sized Dan Rather.

Stossel is an even bigger jackass, though. He needs to STFU and just enjoy his hair, facial or otherwise.

actually, with all due respect Stan, I get Cuban’s point of view on this one. There must be a whole bunch of random people who spend their time playing gotcha with him, trying to trip him up or catch him on something. I know I’d get tired of it, after about the 2nd time it happened. And to be honest, I really don’t think he’s worth even a modicum of your time or effort.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Apr 21, 2009 1:47 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry, that would be alleged National Guard scandal

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Apr 21, 2009 2:05 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Turns out

Matt from Fanhouse pointed out that Dan Rather works for Cuban on HD.net…
http://www.hd.net/danrather.html

by Seth Pollack on Apr 21, 2009 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe...

he was offering you a job?

by Mike Lisboa on Apr 21, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

So...

Are you saying I shouldn’t have emailed Cuban to ask the question about his involvement with a web site he owns that is spreading thinly sourced rumors about other players and about allegations I’ve heard that Cuban uses this and other sites to get around the tampering rules?

He choose to respond. I asked one follow up question that I suppose you could argue didn’t need to be asked (I disagree) and he again choose to respond the way he did.

Btw – he continued to respond to me via email all afternoon with things like this:

“This is what I get for trying to be nice to a blogger. Have fun in the basement , rumor has it Shaq is going to try to lock you in down there.”

I mean really. If this was nothing, why would he even bother to engage with me? Why wouldn’t he after having this come up before just transfer that domain out of his control? Why wouldn’t he insist that his old friend Fisher disclose the relationship before publishing his rumors?

Cuban’s a smart guy and a proven trouble-maker. He doesn’t give a damn about the league’s rules and so is it really a stretch to think he wouldn’t stir the pot this way? He did it with Chris Paul right before the playoffs, leaking this information.

Let’s not forget that this all started b/c a web site his team owns published information about a Suns player. Just because he says he’s not involved doesn’t make it true. You can certainly choose to believe him but I think the information is relevant for evaluating rumors coming out of Dallas in the future.

Wouldn’t this information have changed the way the Shaq rumor was viewed and handled if folks knew about the relationship between db.com and Cuban? I do.

by Seth Pollack on Apr 21, 2009 8:01 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stan, I don't think that's what Pliny is saying at all...

It seems to me that he’s saying that from Cuban’s view, a blogger asks him a question, which he answers very thoroughly. Then the blogger responds by essentially accusing him of illegal activity.

Now, if it were me, I might be less inclined to be informative or even cordial at this point, and I’m considerably less crazy than he is.

 No one’s saying you shouldn’t have asked him to clarify the situation
 No one’s saying that we believe everything Cuban says
 No ones thinks he’s not capable of this even if he denies it

It’s just that his reaction isn’t that suprising..that’s all.

( apologies to Pliny if this isn’t what you meant at all, but from your posts we generally seem to be on the same page )

by Fritzy on Apr 21, 2009 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's exactly what I meant..

Stan, I was waiting so I could formulate a good answer to you, but Fritzy nailed, in fewer words and more precisely, what I was trying to say.

Now don’t get me wrong. IMHO, Mark Cuban is an asshole and a huge tool, but that, in of itself, doesn’t make him a crook. It does explain, though, why he has gone out of his way and continue to insult you.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Apr 21, 2009 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I will admit that being raised on MASH episodes gave me an over active sense of right and wrong…especially when it comes to holding “the man” accountable

by Seth Pollack on Apr 21, 2009 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

No big...

I’m a Silicon Valley resident, and people like Cuban are a dime a dozen here, and after a while, their general douchebaggery doesn’t even register.

Of course, coming from the UK, every once in a while I do notice, and then get the urge to want to correct their more egregious social failings with a baseball bat, a cattle-prod or a rusty chain-saw. But you can get arrested and imprisoned for that sort of thing over here, and I like it enough here to want to stay.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Apr 21, 2009 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

from what I understand..

the key to journalism is knowing what questions not to ask

by Fritzy on Apr 21, 2009 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't Diss Stossel

C’mon … the guy is always uncovering the ever-prevalent problems of things like getting overcharged at Target by 3 cents.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Apr 21, 2009 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Methinks

He doth protest too much …

Or, in the current vernacular, “Put down your crack pipe.”

Now, I’m relatively confident we may be able to get rid of Shaq. My theory (as posted here before) is that we need to find a team that thinks (1) Shaq is the missing piece, (2) is willing to spend the money for a year and (3) would like to get him off the books for 2010. I was originally thinking that only Cleveland was a taker on this deal (assuming they lose to the Fake-Show in the Finals); now, however, it appears Cuban thinks that replacing Ericka Dampier with Shaw may be the answer.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Apr 21, 2009 1:03 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Shaq and Dallas

While Mike Fisher spends a lot of his time “washing Donnie Nelson’s truck,” he rarely reports anything that isn’t mainstream. In this case, I was one of the 3 people who interviewed Shaq after that game, and he made it quite clear that he would love to play for Mark Cuban. I didn’t know if he was doing to try and get traded, or whether he was doing it to challenge Sarver to step up. Either way, it wasn’t Mark tampering, it was Shaq being Shaq.

by HOOPSWORLD on Apr 21, 2009 8:22 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Bill

I read this at the time along with the similar report in the AZ Republic from Coro. I see a difference between Shaq calling out his owner and comparing him to Cuban as he did here versus what Fisher published which was a clear cut “statement” from Shaq about wanting to be traded to Dallas. It was that story that was subsequently picked up and reported as Shaq’s desire to go to Dallas that I have issue with.

It certainly built on what Shaq said about Sarver but Fisher took it one step further citing “friends of Shaq” and not quoting Shaq as you did.

You are right though that Shaq says a lot of things to a lot of people including most recently at his post season press conference that he wanted to stay in Phoenix. Well, I suppose more recent then that was the NY Daily News rumor that “Shaq said he thinks he’s going to New Orleans in a deal for Tyson Chandler.”

Shaq being Shaq, I would have ignored this except for the undisclosed connection between Cuban and Fisher and the other rumor I was told about Cuban doing this kind of thing as a matter of course.
 

by Seth Pollack on Apr 21, 2009 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Shaq in Dallas talk has been going on since Cuban bought the team.

It’s just one of those pieces of news that never dies, because the Mavs fans have craved a true dominant center since the early days of Nellieball, and because they have Dampier now.

I know that Mark tried to get him during the summer he let Steve Nash go and Shaq went to Miami. The Lakers, though, wanted Dirk, who was the one untradeable part of the Mavs squad.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Apr 21, 2009 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice job Stan!

I’ve had my suspicions as well about Cuban. Here is a ridiculous article published by the Dallas Morning News’ Mavs blog, where getting Chris Paul for salary relief is discussed. I think Cuban is leaking these rumors, and I’m sure your guess is as good as mine as to why.

by trailblazersfan on Apr 21, 2009 5:18 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's my problem with this Chris Paul story...

The way I read this article is Tim MacMahon reporting a rumor, a whole bunch of what-if speculation and salary-cap juggling, and an unrelated general quote from Cuban, and then presenting the whole thing as if it were real, or nearly true, when in fact it’s just journalist wanking. Just another example of the declining standard in sports reporting I’ve ranted at length about.

I’d be willing to bet, in this case, that MacMahon, who is a paid staffer for the Dallas Morning News, writing on deadline on their website, got his info the way he usually does: i.e. from some staffer who works in the front office, or from the trainer or whoever.

So, while Cuban might be the source of the leak, there’s no actual evidence that he is.

Moreover, if the Dallas front office actually has initiated a conversation with the Hornets, offering to take Chris Paul’s contract (and, btw, these kinds of conversations happen all the time), then spreading the rumor is not only pointless, but counterproductive if they actually want to get that trade done.

I know if I were a Hornets fan, and I heard a rumor Chris Paul were about to be traded, or traded in the off season, I’d raise bloody hell about it.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Apr 21, 2009 8:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really interesting stuff, Stan. Good for you for trying to get Cuban to explain exactly what’s going on here; it does seem a little fishy to me.

 @Pliny and trailblazers fan on the Chris Paul one: I highly, highly doubt that Cuban is the source of anything in McMahon’s piece. Remember, Cuban kicked McMahon out of the Mavs’ locker room earlier this year for the crime of being a blogger.

Editor of www.sportingmadness.blogspot.com.
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by Andrew Bucholtz on Apr 23, 2009 12:00 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha.. I forgot about the locker room expulsion...

But didn’t MacMahon get his credentials back, after this blew up in Cuban’s face?

Anyway, you said exactly what I had tried to say wrt the Chris Paul piece, that Cuban most probably had nothing to do with it.

I’d say one thing in defense of Cuban: I don’t know of a single owner in any sports (and that includes Al Davis) who is under more scrutiny by the league office than him. And David Stern has shown a hair-trigger willingness to punish Cuban severely for even small infractions.

Cuban might be a blowhard, but I’d bet he treads carefully to avoid even the hint of impropriety when it comes to stuff like tampering.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Apr 23, 2009 1:07 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't think David Stern isn't looking

to nail Cubes to a tree, for even the slightest infraction ?

Recent history would suggest otherwise, considering the huge fines Cuban has gotten for essentially speaking his mind, vis-a-vis the rank incompetence of the NBA refereeing community and Stu Jackson’s office.

And I’m not suggesting that your source is incorrect, but there’s been many a story published, based on “friends” of a player or an owner, that have ended up crashing and burning because they were untrue. Most of these so-called friends are basically drinking buddies, not close to the players involved, and people who bs. their way into seeming more important than they really are.

As a former, real-life Agent Gibbs, I don’t need to tell you about the reliability and quality of evidence. Gibbs rule #3 applies: “Don’t believe what you’re told. Double check.”

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Apr 23, 2009 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t believe what you’re told. Double check.

which in this case, you did do.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Apr 23, 2009 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

very, and I mean very, interesting reading, thanks

and your last sentence is $

congratulations

http://sixers4guidos.wordpress.com/

by Ricky - Sixers4guidos on Apr 22, 2009 5:46 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Reply

from Fisher

Because somebody’s out there trying to stir up some shite about me and DallasBasketball.com, I’ll go ahead and state this in print and on the record, just so it’s out there: When I say my sources on Shaq’s desire to be a Mav are "friends of Shaq,’’ and when I quote O’Neal directly, I’m not doing it with any smoke or any mirrors. I’m doing it the same way I have in this business for 28 years: because it’s true and accurate.
    The sources of my end-of-the-regular-season story are people who were with Shaq at both of his Dallas parties, and one of them is a long-time business associate of Shaq.
    Thus, "friends of Shaq.’’
     I suppose it’s libelous for a blogger to "conduct an investigation of me’’ and then to report something about me that is untrue and damaging. But how money dough am I going to make by suing a blogger?

by DOH on Apr 22, 2009 11:39 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

We understand

that most fans of other teams aren’t too fond of MC, but this was a bit out of line. How can you be surprised by his response to you after your follow up question?

You not only called into question the credibility of MC, but also Fish and his entire staff, and this is their JOB. That’s pretty messed up, especially since you aren’t actually going on anything besides wild speculation.

Don’t take out your anger on honest people because you guys were eliminated and you have nothing else to write about.

by JayKim41 on Apr 22, 2009 1:04 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Then don't come in here

and act like you own the site. Mr. Stan’s job is to ask the questions, and Cuban’s is to answer(or not). This is a Suns fan site, in case you missed the title up top, hence the large amount of Suns related articles.

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee."

Drew Gooden.

by Diosnomeama on Apr 22, 2009 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't even hear about this stupid shit by reading this blog

It’s hard to not pay attention to news when its on the front page of ESPN and Fisher writes an article saying he’s being accused of aiding Mark Cuban in tampering.

And it’s unbelievable you cant understand that bullshit accusations actually go a long way in tarnishing people’s reputations (see Kobe Bryant). It’s probably best to have facts other than the results of a whois search before making a speculation of this nature.

by JayKim41 on Apr 23, 2009 10:03 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I would have never guessed you were responding to me.

Point out the part of the article where he accuses Cuban of anything.

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee."

Drew Gooden.

by Diosnomeama on Apr 23, 2009 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dios, I like the energy,

…but if you ask someone to deny doing something, then you’re essentially accusing them of doing that…

example: Diosnomeama, do you DENY, for the record, molesting that sheep?

by Fritzy on Apr 23, 2009 11:58 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

It's always a great day

when the conversation turns to sheep fucking. It’s an even better day when my name gets used in said conversation :/. But I don’t understand how asking for a straight answer to a question is equivalent to an accusation. I think Stan’s question was deserving of a simple yes/no reply. And yes, for the the record I deny ever molesting that or any other sheep, though I’m sure people that do so have good reason.

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee."

Drew Gooden.

by Diosnomeama on Apr 23, 2009 12:25 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Mark already answered him once though, dude.

The whole issue is that the follow up question was an unnecessary and inflammatory addition to an already sensitive topic.

by JayKim41 on Apr 23, 2009 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a fair point

I felt that his first answer was more generic in nature to the general relationship he has with Fisher and wanted to be perfectly clear that he wasn’t involved in this specific case. So, I asked a more specific clarifying question.

Frankly, I am not surprised he was put off by the follow up question either. I was surprised that he choose to respond the way he did but I wasn’t personally offended by it.

Remember that this isn’t something I dreamed up. It’s something that was passed on to me supported by Cuban’s ownership of the web site which Fisher does not disclose when talking about the Mavericks or other teams when he publishes rumors that otherwise would be considered tampering.

If I told you this web site was owned by the Suns (it is not) wouldn’t that change how you viewed information you read here? Wouldn’t you wonder about who’s agenda was being served? And then if someone in a position to know about these things independently told you that was in fact the case wouldn’t you want to get more information?

That’s all this is about. Cuban’s response to me just made it more colorful and frankly helped get some attention for the story which otherwise would have been pretty bland and meta…I thanked MC for that btw.

Oh, and I generally like Cuban and think he brand of ownership is good for the NBA. I don’t think his response to me makes him a dick. It just shows once again that he’s a bit temperamental but we already knew that.

by Seth Pollack on Apr 23, 2009 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, the woes of an inquisitive mind

I absolutely understand your point. I just felt bad for Fish, mostly. MC runs into this type of thing on a weekly basis I’m sure.

Thanks for the response.

by JayKim41 on Apr 23, 2009 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sheep molestation, eh ??

How does foreplay work in that case??

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Apr 23, 2009 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ask Fritzy.

It seems to be an area of interest for him. :)

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee."

Drew Gooden.

by Diosnomeama on Apr 23, 2009 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

it reminded me of the punchline of an old joke...

involving the Welsh and Australians. the kind of joke Brits tell each late at night in pubs, and make the Welsh and Australians want to hate them even more than they do.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Apr 23, 2009 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

well I'm glad you asked

…it involves alot of heavy petting.

I’ll be here all week

by Fritzy on Apr 23, 2009 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm relieved to hear that rumor turned out to be untrue...

we on bright side never had any doubts…heh

on another note, doesn’t bumblebee man usually say “no me gusta” ? that’s what we always said when we did our impressions of him..

by Fritzy on Apr 23, 2009 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he usually says that.

But there’s another episode where all this bad stuff happens to him after work and he says ay dios no me ama!, and it stuck in my head.

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee."

Drew Gooden.

by Diosnomeama on Apr 23, 2009 1:57 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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