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Here We Go Again -- Suns to ReLoad for More of the Same

Alvin Gentry watches another parade of shooters scoring on the Suns

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Alvin Gentry watches another parade of shooters scoring on the Suns

For some reason, as I started typing this, that Whitesnake song started running through my mind.  Here I go again on my own/ Going down the only road I've ever known/ Like a drifter I was born to walk alone ...  Does anyone else find it ironic that Jimmy Page bashed Whitesnake and then made an album with David Coverdale?  Who's got the back-story on that?

Last night, I went to the Suns' "Town Hall" meeting with Sarver, Kerr and Welts.  By the way, my raffle ticket was three integers away from winning Sarver's tickets to a game.  Sarver said he could not stomach sitting through a 25-win season in which the team rebuilds.  For what it's worth, his goal is a 50+ win season next year. 

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Both Kerr and Sarver said the team is not a true title contender, and they seemed to indicate they did not believe the team could be a true title contender next year.  I guess they know what we all know -- it's going to be tough to make big changes to this team.  That being said, they agreed that they should be in the playoffs and should make a run.

I think I heard Grant Hill on the radio a week or so back.  He essentially said that the Lakers are alone, but that the Suns should be "the best of the rest."  Look at the other wesetrn conference playoff teams and try to determine which one would be a heavy favorate against the Suns in a series.

Mainly, though, we heard more of the same stuff we heard last summer:  "We are so good offensively that we just need to get a little better defensively."  "We need to keep developing the bench."  "Steve Nash has at least a few more good years left in him."  "Goran Dragic will make a good backup for Nash and allow Nash to rest."

In my mind, though, a big question (both looking back and looking forward) is, "Did Terry Porter not listen to you, Steve?  Or, were you telling him something different than you were telling us?"  The question looks backward, because we all like to mercilessly pick apart decisions with the value of hindsight.

The question also looks forward, though, because of the bench.  For the most part, the Suns' second unit was competitive with, or superior to, other teams' second units.  They were also competitive with, or superior to, the first line of some of the worst teams.  This is a nice asset.  Now we just need to get the starters to play at the same relative level to their competition.

The bench "developed" under Alvin Gentry, right?  Could a few weeks of practice actually have changed them?  Probably not.  Was the bench just bubbling over with talent, ready to explode, but Porter could not identify that?  I guess that's a possibility.  Or, was Porter actually in the process of developing the bench and Gentry simply got to reap the fruits of Porter's labor?  (Kind of the opposite of when the outgoing president leaves a crummy economy for the next president; Clinton and Bush both did it for their respective replacements.)

Porter had to have been at least somewhat beneficial to the younger players' development.  The question seems to be whether it was a large contribution or a small one.  Remember, too, that Gentry staffed the D'Antoni bench-less Suns.  I just don't know that Gentry is going to give that which we want in regard to the bench next year.  There is no guarantee that a bench that was pressed into service after Porter left will continue its positive growth.

From a long-term perspective ("long" simply being past the 2009-2010 season), I am in no way comfortable with the notion that the Suns are "developing" younger players.  I'm afraid that they will only get better with more playing time, and in order to become starting-caliber players they're going to have to play against other starters and not the scrubs they seem to be able to beat.

Sarver does not want to rebuild and appears to be very happy with being above-average but not a contender.  Gentry's head-coaching career does not inspire confidence.  I'm not so sure Gentry is going to get these guys to play defense any better or more consistently.  I cannot believe that the bench will continue its upward trend without getting PT against the other teams' starters -- which will mean an increased amount of losses.

As far as potential changes to the roster (and we'll get into this in way more depth later), the most realistic changes would seem to be shipping off Stoudemire, Richardson or Barbosa (espcially given that Kerr/Sarver have pretty much guaranteed they're not doing the unthinkable unless Cleveland wants him for LeBron) to a team under the cap for a combination of young players or picks.  If Sarver want to be the "best of the rest" in 2009-2010, such a move probably would not accomplish that goal.

Seems to me like there's going to be a lot of speculation during the off-season, but we're in store for another season of the same with, probably, a few more wins than in 2008-2009.

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Porter and the bench

Just a few thoughts here…

1) Porter started the season using the bench A LOT. It ended once the losses started coming and the starters pushed back on Porter’s system. About a month in Porter caved and tried to balance what he wanted with what Nash, Amare, etc wanted to do. Of course, Porter’s use of the bench early in the season would have lead to more losses and there was no patience anywhere for that.

2) Porter was an old school coach who wasn’t going to “hug and hold and high five” his players. For a guy like Dragic or Lopez that probably did slow their development but I do wonder if in the long run young players that come through that kind of coach-imposed pressure don’t end up better for it.

Think of it this way, if you can’t handle the pressure of your coach being mad at you or the “fear” of his benching you for a mistake how are you going to learn to deal with the high pressure situations that come late in games or in the playoffs.

Maybe I am too old (school) for today’s young players but telling a guy he’s ok to make mistakes will relieve some pressure and produce a short term result. Will it ultimately make the guy a better player? I don’t know. I guess it depends.

I will say this about Gentry though. He is old school when talking off the record and I do think he finds a way to hold guys accountable but perhaps in a less directly way and certainly in a way that is more flexible to each player’s individual needs. So, I am not anti-Gentry by any means. I just wouldn’t be so quick to discount Porter as a failure either.

3) Our bench is decent but not great. There’s no future all stars there and really only LB should be a starter. Dudley, Lopez, Lou…solid rotation guys. Dragic is years from being a starting PG. Lopez has the ability to be a very good 7fter but I am not sure he wants it badly enough. He’s the guy I am most on the fence about right now.

They are certainly better then the Suns have had as a group in a long time but mostly its b/c they are cheap role players that play hard.

by Phoenix Stan on Apr 24, 2009 4:30 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

here's the thing....

I think I’ve said before that I didn’t think Porter is a bad coach, but that he was a bad fit here, and I think it’s time to elaborate.

The two big criticisms of Mike D were that his teams were defensively weak, and that his bench rotations were too short resulting in fatigue and injuries at the end of the year.

When Porter came here, the team already had an established identity, particularly on offense. The consensus, I think it’s true to say, was that while we needed some major revamping on defense, and in particular to develop a clear direction for the defense, the offense required at most a few tweaks, following the mode of play adopted at the end of last season. We all expected, from this forum to the Sun locker room, that this team would simply be, in essence, a much more hard nosed version of last years’ team.

I think Porter’s fundamental problem was that he was so concerned with not being Mike D, that he almost became the Anti-Mike, doing the opposite things to someone who as a well loved coach, both in the locker room and in the city.

That contrarian mindset, imho, lead to a number of questionable decisions and actions, including the decision to run the offense through Shaq (and reduce Nash to an into the post passer), the decision to play the whole bench (even though it was clear the two rookies in particular were not close to being ready to play with the vets), and his decision to be an authoritarian coach, trying to change the identity of the team.

Moreover, this disconnect between the coach and his players ended up on court, where a previously well regulated team lost their ability to communicate on court in a consistent fashion, resulting in turnovers, blown plays, bad defense and a whole bunch of other things.

Ultimately it resulted in the alienation, and subsequent trade of Raja and Boris. Other players such as Grant, Leandro and Shaq had no problem following the new regime, Nash tried to make it work, but couldn’t, and Amare just refused and pouted his way through the season.

I’d point out that the great coaches, such as Red Auerbach, Phil Jackson and Greg Popovich, deal with their players as real people. Red A. was friends with Cousy and Russell, Phil J with Jordan, and Greg P and Timmy D are definitely friends. And Steve, Raja & Boris and the others except STAT (who is definitely his own man), all had that with Mike D. My feeling is Terry went out of his way to not be anybody’s friend.

But, if you’re going to be a championship level team, then you have to have that kind of dynamic with your players, because without it you can’t have trust, which is the most important relationship a coach need to have with his players. Without it, a coach can’t get true buy-in from his players. That’s why coaches like Scott Skiles and P.J Carlesimo never get to a stage where they can truly contend, because they’re fundamentally non-trusting people. And players are just unable to give 110% to a person they don’t trust. That’s just human nature.

Porter never tried, imho, to try and establish that kind of trust, which combined with his insecurity vis-a-vis Mike D., essentially doomed him from the start. In particular, the decision to take the ball out of Nash’s hands, resulted in a clear WTF? feeling in the locker room, and at that point he lost his players. And at the end of the day, this is a player’s league.

I also think Porter’s handling of the rookies was poor. It’s very rare that a rookie can just come in after the draft and make meaningful and consistent contributions, even off the bench. it takes time.
A rookie has 4 things he has to do:

  1. Adjust to the change in locker room. In college, you play with boys, who live together, play together and generally meld into a unit, but you’re guided by the coach, who holds your future in his hands btw. In the pros, rookies are at the bottom of the food chain, and authority is held by the veterans and the superstars. You might be competing with the vet for his roster spot and consequently his livelihood, so he’s not necessarily going to be your friend.
  2. Adjust to the game. The pro game is faster, more physical and more precise than the college game. In addition, the games are 48 mins, and generally play 3 or 4 times a week. Managing fatigue and injuries is crucial.
  3. Improve skills. Learn more complex defenses, refine shooting and passing. Make your skills reliable under pressure. learn the tricks. become confident. In short, become a pro.
  4. Adjust to the off court stuff. Rookies are not immersed in basketball 24/7 anymore. They now live alone, away from the practice facility, and must develop their own routine. They need to know about nutrition. Travel and spend a lot more time on the road. learn how to rest properly, and prepare for games. learn to deal with mature and immature adults. learn to handle the money (and the groupies..). learn to deal with the press and media. grow up.

There’s a lot there for a rookie, and it’s up to the coach, and to a lesser extent the vets, to help the rookie deal with all of those things during the 1st year, and part of that process involves providing clear direction and instruction on what the rookie’s role is supposed to be.

Furthermore, even though this is the pros, there’s a certain amount of nurturing that has to go on. Part of the process of maturing a rookie is to try and reduce the mistakes, without making the rookie too afraid to make a mistake, that he is unable to function properly on the court. You don’t just drop a rookie into the water and expect him to swim.

Alvin G, otoh, has been much better about defining what was expected from his rookies, took advantage of his veterans to mature the rookies, give them quality time, and built up their confidence, and allowed them if not to blossom, then germinate.

He’s also done a much better job of building trust with his veterans which, if they all come back, means we should make the playoffs next year and not underachieve.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Apr 24, 2009 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty much sums up my feelings about the coaching and the rookies.
I think the video combining Shaq, Nash , Tucker and the rookies? will be good for the team….awful video though. Brings a lot of different types together for a laugh now this is a ‘bonding’ experience.
It seems to me the real difference between the 3? contenders and the ‘best of the rest’ is a top 5 player, you either have to luck into them as in Chicago with Rose or be really bad for a long time. Best of the rest is good. Take a look at how long the bottom feeders have been there.

by overthere on Apr 25, 2009 2:56 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Luck >>> Us

Chicago had a 1.7% chance, and they stole Dwayne Wade’s starting backcourt superstar-to-be. I feel really bad for him. They would have formed the most dynamic, explosive, and dangerous backcourt in the NBA but then the Bulls had to get him _", what a waste.

I understand the fact that a coach needs to have a positive relationship with his players, to be in the position of a friend you can trust. More particularly, however, I believe a coach needs to be perceived as a figure of reverence/authority, like a mentor(ie, a teacher), whom you listen to and learn from. Someone who can teach and control and help you with the game. Trust is important, but so is respect. Everyone hates a dictator, that is why moderation is the key. You can be strict but don’t come across as harsh and inappropiately heavy-handed. Call me old school, but I could never play under the hugs and lots of love type.

by felixthm on Apr 25, 2009 5:13 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Porter's disconnect

Was it Porter not listening Kerr or was it Kerr saying one thing to the public and giving Porter another directive?

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Apr 25, 2009 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regarding pt no.2

Those “old school coaches” tend to turn out for a lot of playoff games, and Finals as well. Most of the time, players need tough love. A coach shouldn’t be a doting big brother filling the emotional void for whichever self-esteem problem a player has. Much has been made of D’Antoni’s mollycoddling of the players, and how it may have caused permeanent harm to the Suns by making them whiny, rebellious, refusing to change/submit/be held accountable…..Like young teenagers going through puberty. For players who range from 26 to 35, I’d have thought they’d behave better.

by felixthm on Apr 25, 2009 5:05 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The two aren't exclusive..

Phil Jackson and Greg Popovich are both known for running tight ships, and Kobe excepted, there’s very little drama.

Red Auerbach was a famous disciplinarian. Once fined Sam Jones $50 (back when $50 was a lot of money for a player), for eating pancakes the night before a big game. But Red also understood that his players were people. Someone once asked him how he handled his players, and he replied: “You handle horses. You deal with players”

But he was also flexible, and often let Russell skip practice, because Russell hated to practice. But Red was also famous for standing behind his players, and just continually berating the refs when the Celtics got a bad call. His players loved playing for him, for the most part.

I could go on about Red….

Anyway, I think Phil J, and Greg P are in fact what we’d call “old-school” coaches, coaches whose philosophies about players goes back to the 60’s and 70’s, and they aren’t heavy handed when dealing with their players. I think that’s a major reason for their success.

I don’t think you can blame Mike D, for Terry Porter’s failure though. This team had a strong established identity, and a team full of veterans. Some of them played against Terry back in the day. IMHO, it was up to Terry to try and fit in, because he was the new guy. This isn’t the NCAA, where you can pull a kid’s scholarship. You can’t bully your way with people who aren’t scared of you.

In that situation, and it doesn’t matter if you’re a basketball team, an engineering group, or just a regular office, if you’re the new guy you have to come in, prove yourself and fit in, and not mess around with stuff that people know works well for them.

I’ve seen world class engineering teams destroyed in weeks and sometimes days because of new managers just pissing everybody off. Schedules annihilated because the manager tried to be a smart-ass, and pulled a stunt that just angered his team. One time, the entire senior engineering staff of a project I was loosely associated with, just handed in their resignations, en masse, 4 days after getting their new boss. He was gone by the end of that day, too btw.

From a people management point of view, the NBA isn’t like the Army or the Air Force, where you have strict lines. It’s more like a startup.

In the Army, for instance (or at least in the Royal Army), the emphasis is to make sure you can do your job well within your personal capabilities. That’s why when they teach you something, they break it down into simple steps, and teach you it 3 times so it sticks So that when you’re under stress, in combat or in a sitch like being on deck on an aircraft carrier, or building a bridge, all you have to do is follow your training, and you’ll be fine. Reward, in the Army is for responsibility and authority.. Generals get paid more than Colonels, who get paid more than Buck Privates. If you excel, you get promoted and more responsibility. If you’re extraordinary, you get a medal.

In a startup, or the NBA, you rely on people being talented and extraordinary. The guy who writes the amazing piece of code, or the team that brings in their project 2 months ahead of schedule, and 4 months ahead of the competition, or the player with a 25/10/10 box score. In these industries, you get rewarded for excellence and performance.

The role of a coach is fundamentally to be a manager, and to maximize the overall performance of the players under his control, and that means getting everybody on board. And as with a startup, you’ve got to keep the whole group and the key talent happy, which is a real juggling act. Not everybody can do it.

Coaches like Terry P, and hardasses/screamers like Scott Skiles and PJ Carlisimo have their place in the NBA, mostly as coaches of young squads that need a focus that a veteran would otherwise bring. And they might even reach the first round or two of the playoffs, but there’s a big step up to the next level, and I’m not sure, fundamentally, these guys are capable of making the leap.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Apr 25, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a good analogy

but I would suggest that the difference between the engineering group and a sports team is the need to perform under pressure. And I mean split second pressure. The need to be so mentally strong that having a guy hit a dagger three in your face doesn’t linger. This is what separates the very good from the great.

So yes, most NBA teams are like a group of engineers and programmers (I’ve worked extensively with both) in that they can be immature and petty but also extremely dedicated and talented.

The bottom line is that this team is not a championship team. They know it and they don’t really seem to care at this point. Next year’s goal is to have fun. Be entertaining and make the playoffs then when the big contracts roll off the books we’ll see about rebuilding. Nash said that being a contendor isn’t a priority for his staying here. Good chemistry and having fun was. Only Shaq really seems to care about winning another ring which could explain why he wants out.

But when it comes to Amare, anyone that needs that kind of handling will end up just finding some other excuse when things get difficult. I watch these d-league kids playing their asses off for $15k and a shared Motel 6 room and then see Amare jaking it on defense and it is difficult. It is not entertaining to think that he’s not playing hard b/c his coach isn’t nice to him and isn’t his friend. Not at $17m per year. Buy a friend and play your ass off every time you step on the floor. I don’t think that’s too high of a bar.

I would also just remind folks that in 2007 I was content with the Suns being an entertaining team and making whatever run it could w/ Marion. Most though felt that trading for Shaq was the missing piece to win the ring everyone thought we deserved. That team was flawed but for the most part they played well together. Say what you want about Shawn but he brought it on the court every night regardless of what he felt about his role and his value. You can’t say the same about Amare.

Anyway, I am fine with the team being fun and entertaining and not being in contention for the ring. I was all for the underdog label going into this season. The bar has been lowered and it will be a long time until we luck into another great great player.

by Phoenix Stan on Apr 25, 2009 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hemingway described character as "Grace under pressure"

he was right. That ability to focus, to do whatever needs to get done, when it absolutely, positively needs to happen, whether you have a hand in your face, or a charging bull coming at you.. yeah, that separates the men from the boys.

My problem with the “we’re not good enough to win, so lets focus on being second” mindset is that I’m not into the entertainment aspect of sports (although I do follow Russell’s credo about the art & war of basketball). It’s why I hate the showboating, and the dunks to a lesser extent, because those players are entertainers first and competitors second. I want the team to win.

Still, my two proudest moments were the loss in the WCF to Dallas, and the “Bleeding Steve” loss to San Antone, because even though we lost both games, we fought all the way to the end like warriors. This years team never had that fighting spirit for some reason, so I was neither angry nor heartbroken when we lost.

As for Shawn.. well you and I both wanted the KG for Amare trade to happen, and for the same reason, which was that it would likely bring us a ring, without destroying the morale built up during Amare’s lost year. You know KG would have evangelized Shawn Marion, ensuring he got the props he wanted.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Apr 25, 2009 6:41 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

at the time I wrote a detailed explanation of why keeping Amare was the better option then trading him for KG. I compared stats at similar ages and demonstrated that Amare had both more upside and more time (being younger) so therefor was the better option.

He’s convinced me this year just how wrong I was.

In fact, based on my track record I am fairly sure you all should ignore most of what I say and use your own better judgement…of course that won’t stop me from expressing my opinion :)

by Phoenix Stan on Apr 26, 2009 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

apologies & whatnot..

Don’t want to misrepresent… but I was certain, that you had expressed a desire to trade the kid, way back when…

I guess old age plays tricks on our memories.. Time to hit the Ginkgo Biloba :)

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Apr 26, 2009 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's possible

I am like the wind…but I am pretty sure I have been consistently against trading Amare up until about Feb 09 and I specifically recall not wanting to trade Amare for KG….why I do I keep repeating that?

by Phoenix Stan on Apr 26, 2009 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure you did...

geezerdom is playing tricks with my memory… I’m going senile… I can feel it.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Apr 26, 2009 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure many NBA players could handle the stress..

of working in a startup.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Apr 25, 2009 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

If a team would take Shaq's

contract in a trade that would be ideal for the Suns. IMO, I would try to move Shaq, beyond that I would limit the moves, Pray for the balls to fall in the Suns favor on draft day.
 It is just unfortunate that the Suns have to much money on the books.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Apr 25, 2009 8:02 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Just a word in Sarver's/Kerr's defense..

I’m not sure, right now, short of kidnapping a superstar from another team, what we could do to our present squad, that would make them contenders.

It doesn’t seem to me that there are any unhappy superstars demanding a trade, or significant all-star caliber talent about to be released from their teams.

Any rebuild is going to take at least two years, if not longer.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Apr 25, 2009 1:28 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Yup

Super stars…that’s what it takes. I said at the beginning of this season that the Suns would go as far as Amare would take them. If he raised his game to the next level (and I really thought he could) then with him as the focal point supported by Nash, Hill and Shaq and the rest of the talent than that squad is a championship team.

Same goes for next season. The only hope is that Amare becomes a top five player which means being great on both ends. This time, I just don’t see it happening. I’ve lost faith in him that he will put in the time in the film room and be coachable enough to learn to play help defense. If by some miracle Gentry can get him there and the Suns can replace JRich w/ a Bell type of role playing two guard and with a little luck this team could be decent enough to make substantial noise.

Does anyone here really thing Amare will come back next season and step up to that level of player?

by Phoenix Stan on Apr 25, 2009 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not what I really meant....

I view all of our starting 5 + sixth man to be good.. Good enough that to upgrade at the respective position, you’d need to replace the player with a bona fide all-star caliber player, or in the case of 4 of those players (Shaq, Nash, Grant and Amare) true superstar class players.

Taking only the quality of post-Porter play, experience and total contribution into consideration (and not necessarily stats), in the case of Shaq, and Steve, you could argue with great confidence that these players are each in the top 5 at their respective positions, and Amare and Grant are certainly top 10 at theirs.

For instance, if you were to replace Steve Nash, just for the next year, one would probably only really consider Chris Paul, Deron Williams and possibly Rajon Rondo as no-brainer upgrades. Every other choice, like Tony Parker, Devin Harris or Chauncey Billups would be arguable depending on your personal preference.

Similarly with Shaq, Yao Ming would be an upgrade, as would Tim Duncan and Dwight Howard, but after that, maybe Stones Bynum, if you have someone to make space for him. But then it gets thin, and there’s a big drop between Shaq and the guys below him in that list.

Every one of those players though, even the guys you’d argue about, is considered crucial to their respective franchises, and a trade would be exceedingly difficult, if not impossible.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Apr 26, 2009 1:33 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

The point is that Sarver has chosen a commitment to above-average basketball over a gamble to win it all in 3 years. Not a judgment … just sayin’

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Apr 26, 2009 2:17 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

wasn’t trading for an aging past-his-prime former all-star center a huge gamble?

by Funky Flapsack on Apr 27, 2009 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

JSun, stay away from the political analogies...

>Or, was Porter actually in the process of developing the bench and Gentry simply got to reap the fruits of Porter’s labor?

Excellent point. I was on the “Blame Terry For Everything” bandwagon, but could it be true? Come to think of it, the bench “turnaround” post-coaching change was awfully immediate, and lasted the rest of the season to boot.

But…

>(Kind of the opposite of when the outgoing president leaves a crummy economy for the next president; Clinton and Bush both did it for their respective replacements.)

…Er, it was Clinton and Obama who inherited crummy economies from Papa & Junior Bush.

by yeahblah on Apr 26, 2009 3:16 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

As a lifelong Democrat...

I remember the economy slowing down before Clinton left, when the dotcom bubble burst on march 10, 2000.

Now back to Bball!

PSN ID- presbot

by presbot on Apr 27, 2009 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

and

The mortgage problems had their genesis in a misguided attempt by the Clinton administration in 1996 to use federal licensing and mortgage guidelined to pressure companies to grant home loans to low income customers. This program was piloted and developed by a group whose general counse was Barack Obama. The changes didn’t explode into a full blown economic crisis until afer the party that took over Congress in 2006 made a bad situation worse by nationalizing the largest mortgage companies and starting the ball rolling on taxpayer funded bailouts of questionably run businesses.

Yeah, I know. On a basketball forum? But hey, the same foolish logic that led to all of the above questionable decisions has plagued our Suns for years. How about getting some good young players and sticking with them until they develop, instead of hitting the panic button every year? I don’t pay much attention to Paola Boivin, but she makes a good point, that the Suns quit fiddling and give the players some time. It makes no sense to bag a business when the stars and coach have been together for all of TWO games (Amare, Shaq, Steve, and Gentry)

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2009/04/27/20090427paolaboivin0428.html

and matrix7, please read the whole post before calling me a bigot.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Apr 28, 2009 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am going to ignore

all the one-sided mortgage related stuff (there really are two sides to that story) and simply agree w/ the point about continuity.

This is why I argued for keeping Marion through the end of the 08 season and why I was opposed to the trade w/ Charlotte and not thrilled about dumping Porter mid-season either.

Pick a course. Stick with it and after they fail they throw the bums out

by Phoenix Stan on Apr 28, 2009 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was my point

We have a team in a situation where everyone has an opinion on who is to blame, and how to fix it. I have been around long enough to know how much disagreement there is on the other scenario. I happen to believe that the Suns over the years have been knee-jerk about changes and have not demonstrated, ever, the patience to stay with a plan long. How lon did Stockton and Malone play together before the Jazz had a real chance at a championship? 10 years? How long did the Bulls stay with Jordan before his first title? 6 years? The Suns would never get that far.

April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?

by Hawk42 on Apr 28, 2009 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

even though your politics are…questionable :) I tend to agree w/ most of your basketball opinions

by Phoenix Stan on Apr 28, 2009 7:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can't have continuity when the ownership changes and the front office is in turmoil

We’ve had 2 owners, 3 GMs and 3 head coaches in 5 years.

Stability has to come from the top.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Apr 28, 2009 7:34 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree w/ that

Throw the bums out!

Oh, wait…

by Phoenix Stan on Apr 28, 2009 9:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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