Phoenix Suns Draft?
by phxuk: Ap on May 11, 2009 1:51 PM MDT
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PrintSince the first order of business was to sign Alvin Gentry and now that is official lets get behind him and the team.
the second order of business is free agency and draft. Whilst I think Grant Hill will be our only free agency signing this year (hopefully there will be a surprise like Lou) the next thing to look at is the Draft.
Looking online it looks like our 14th pick is a lock on for Jonny Flynn via the links below.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/156074-the-goal-of-the-nba-draft-find-the-perfect-fit-part-1#page/4
http://www.nbadraft.net/node/5605
To be honest I don’t like this pick, it looks like the suns are going to draft a point guard with this being a point guard draft I would rather have Ty Lawson PG (probably goes earlier but if he slips he would be a good offensive PG and some steals. Most likely plays defence like Steve Nash.
I have no knowledge of the college game but looking at the millions of NBA Draft Mocks and databases If I was picking I would take the 2 players below at 14. I could list all their attributes, the pros and cons all are on the links below but who do you think we should draft guys and girls?
Gerald Henderson
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gerald-Henderson-1042/
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/gerald-henderson
Terrence Williams http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Terrence-Williams-507/
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/terrence-williams
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out of the two players...
i’d take terrence williams. he’s got the possibility to play SF, and we’re already overloaded at the SG position. grant hill will probably only last a few more years in this league (at best), and with matt barnes likely on his way out, i see a need at SF. while i would love to acquire someone like iguodala in an offseason trade (see “Crazy is different than impossible”), it’s not highly likely that that happens.
who do i think has more potential? i think gerald henderson has the slight (very slight) edge there. who do i think fits our team better? terrence williams. i’d rather try and draft a young, athletic PF type (think anthony randolph or the like)…but i haven’t taken a serious enough look at this year’s projected draft list quite yet. i’m waiting until may 19th to actually break everything down.
Chase Budinger
A. went to U of A, so he’s a hometown boy.
B. Uber-athletic, can run the floor, with some help I think he could be a good finisher (hey he would have Amar’e and whatever you say about him, he can finish)
C. Fair shot – not great of the dribble, but he has a nice stroke and a good spot up.
D. Good fit for suns offense, and has potential on defense with athleticism and cognition (though lateral speed is suspect)
E. A fast falling player due to some less than complementary contemplations on his drive and competitiveness (he is just laid back in my mind) that could be a good and possible pick at a mid round range.
Budinger
is the second coming of Mike Dunleavy Jr. So if you ask me, I saw hell no to Chase.
by Aluminum Foyle on May 11, 2009 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions
the only reason i say yes to budinger...
…is because my friend said he’d throw his laptop through his TV if we drafted him. i just want to see if he’d actually do it.
i don’t like chase for the suns, though.
by Trevor Paxton on May 14, 2009 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions
He fits the team, but that’s not a good thing
Athletic, offensively talented, defensively challenged. We have enough of those, I thought he could have made bigger improvements this year, but I guess not.
"If you're a Yankee fan, or if you're not a Yankee fan - you have to admit, we're winners." - #21
"Once the Hack-a-Shaq works once, you know I’m going to see it again. The only thing worse for basketball than that defense is the Lack-a-Shaq offense, where I have to go to the bench because of foul trouble. There is no fun in that." - The Big Aristotle
"Pressure is something you feel when you don't know what the hell you're doing." - Peyton
he belongs on a team like the Bucks, T-Wolves, or Jokelahoma Blunder
by Aluminum Foyle on May 15, 2009 8:31 AM MDT up reply actions
I think Henderson will
be gone by 14. He will shoot up the board, He is physically ready, NBA roots, and can go to the rack. I like him, I hope he is there at 14, he is a great athlete, you take him.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
Trade down
Frankly, this draft seems top-heavy, and then the middle guys are all similar. I think the Suns should aim for a late-20’s pick and early 30’s pick and get Sam Young and Nick Calathes.
Calathes is a lot like Nash, he is a good offensive point guard who can shoot, pass, and lead an offense. He’s not a great defender, but, oh well, you’re not going to get a Chris Paul at this point. He won’t cost much either.
Young is an experienced college player who can step back and shoot a 3, is an explosive dunker, can run, and plays defense. Sounds like a guy who can step in for Grant Hill. His ball-handling is suspect, but that’s why we have a point guard(s).
And then, we’ve got our second rounder at 44 and the Magic second rounder at 57.
So:
C Shaq Lopez
PF Stoudemire Lou
SF Hill Young
SG Richardson Tucker
PG Nash Barbosa Dragic Calathes
And then, we’ve got our second rounder and the Magic second rounder at 57.
With the earlier second rounder i like Michael Washington’s humongous upside, and it’s not like he’ll be expected to log many minutes with a well-rested STAT.
I don’t know about the 57 pick, Jeff Pendergraph? He goes 58 in the DraftExpress Mock.
"If you're a Yankee fan, or if you're not a Yankee fan - you have to admit, we're winners." - #21
"Once the Hack-a-Shaq works once, you know I’m going to see it again. The only thing worse for basketball than that defense is the Lack-a-Shaq offense, where I have to go to the bench because of foul trouble. There is no fun in that." - The Big Aristotle
"Pressure is something you feel when you don't know what the hell you're doing." - Peyton
I forgot Dudley as a back-up SF, not that it matters
"If you're a Yankee fan, or if you're not a Yankee fan - you have to admit, we're winners." - #21
"Once the Hack-a-Shaq works once, you know I’m going to see it again. The only thing worse for basketball than that defense is the Lack-a-Shaq offense, where I have to go to the bench because of foul trouble. There is no fun in that." - The Big Aristotle
"Pressure is something you feel when you don't know what the hell you're doing." - Peyton
Just a question...
…what are the downsides to having Johnny Flynn? I like college basketball, but I wasn’t heavily embroiled in it during the regular season. The little I saw of Flynn during March Madness leads me to believe he is an athletic, hard-working, and humble player. Gerald Henderson might be nice, but he doesn’t strike me as someone who can create his own shot like Flynn or Williams might. But like I said, I don’t follow college basketball religiously, so as the ESPN commercial says, I might just be talking sports out of my a—.
To me, Flynn doesn’t seem like a point guard who can direct an offense very well. Unlike Nash, he’s definitely a shoot-first point guard. His passing skills also come across as lacking compared to other point guards.
"If you're a Yankee fan, or if you're not a Yankee fan - you have to admit, we're winners." - #21
"Once the Hack-a-Shaq works once, you know I’m going to see it again. The only thing worse for basketball than that defense is the Lack-a-Shaq offense, where I have to go to the bench because of foul trouble. There is no fun in that." - The Big Aristotle
"Pressure is something you feel when you don't know what the hell you're doing." - Peyton
Looking at what Gentry and Kerr said at the press conference yesterday:
Kerr addressed the draft saying they likely will take the best player available with the idea “that player may not play much this year” (Quote from Phoenix Stans post) i think he will most probably play in the D-league)
I was kind of looking into the 2010 draft I know it years away but we don’t have a 1st round draft pick (we all know why and doing further research Charlotte receives a conditional Phoenix 2010 second round pick due to the Jason Richardson trade) so basically we are kind of buggered in next years draft and there is talk that the 2010 draft class is much stronger than this years and will have several future hall of famers in them, I was just thinking of a crazy idea of trading this years draft pick to a scrub team in exchange for their 2010 draft pick Or draft a player then trade him and this year’s second round pick or both picks for a 2010 draft pick I know it sounds crazy and desperate but
what do you guys and girls think we should or could do?
(not sure we can though because isn’t there a rule we cant trade away consecutive years 1st round draft pick, sorry just trying to figure out and understand the draft process)
I think it could work. But won’t for two reasons, as of now:
1) I doubt any team would want to make that trade. They too realize that the draft class is supposedly stronger next year. Plus, I see it this way, the draft can be a safety net for any teams failing to acquire a big-time free agent.
2) The way the roster is constructed NOW, the Suns are built for 2009-2010, not later. Shaq, Nash, and Amar’e will all need new contracts in a year. I don’t think they’re, that far off from being a championship-caliber team. Just a few more pieces, and a little luck. There were definitely times last year, when the Suns played at that level. Let’s just hope they make it more repeatable.
"If you're a Yankee fan, or if you're not a Yankee fan - you have to admit, we're winners." - #21
"Once the Hack-a-Shaq works once, you know I’m going to see it again. The only thing worse for basketball than that defense is the Lack-a-Shaq offense, where I have to go to the bench because of foul trouble. There is no fun in that." - The Big Aristotle
"Pressure is something you feel when you don't know what the hell you're doing." - Peyton
With the 14th pick, the Phoenix Suns should select...
Jrue Holiday out of UCLA. Some drafts think it’s a stretch, some think he’ll already be gone. But honestly, I like mynbadraft.com the best. I’ve been following college basketball and the NBA for a good deal of time now. I can tell you that a) Ty Lawson is not a terribly good defensive player, which is what the Suns need, and b) Jrue Holiday is. Honestly, think of Holiday as a Russell Westbrook-type. The best possible pick, though, is Terrence Williams. He averaged 2.3 steals, which automatically means he’s a good defensive player. Granted, he’s not a PG. So if Kerr were to pull one of http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=o4wcjl those or one of http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=dbeskl those, in which he acquired a backup PG anyway, then he should take Williams. If not, Holiday is a pure PG who would I think would be available there.
by hookedonphoenix on May 13, 2009 8:02 PM MDT reply actions
I think Eric Maynor...
would be a stud. He’s a guy who carried his no name team for years, and stepped up big against the big name schools, like Duke and UCLA in the tourney, even though he was the only player that they needed to guard, cover, and scout. I think he’s got “it”. Seems like a hard worker, pass first PG, high basketball IQ, and a good defender.
by Aluminum Foyle on May 15, 2009 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Point Guard
I feel that a young point guard is not a huge need for the Suns right now. I’m fairly confident that Barbosa can do a decent job alongside Grant Hill. Plus, the Suns organization will not want to give up on Dragic yet. I have no problem with investing a second rounder, and look to find a potential steal, but the 1st rounder, I believe, would be best used on a SF – which is the biggest immediate need for the team. Amar’e is at PF, and we drafted a SG, C, and PG the past 2 years. It’s time for a small forward. I think Terrence Williams and Sam Young are the best fits because of their defensive prowess and athleticism.
"If you're a Yankee fan, or if you're not a Yankee fan - you have to admit, we're winners." - #21
"Once the Hack-a-Shaq works once, you know I’m going to see it again. The only thing worse for basketball than that defense is the Lack-a-Shaq offense, where I have to go to the bench because of foul trouble. There is no fun in that." - The Big Aristotle
"Pressure is something you feel when you don't know what the hell you're doing." - Peyton
My Bad
http://basketball.realgm.com/src_feature_pieces/774/20090514/draft_report_jonny_flynn_of_syracuse/
only reason i didnt want the team to draft him was because i wanted the suns to draft a defensive specialist like i said nothing personal and i never seen him play but looks like he might be a star in the making
seems a little overhyped.
i like flynn, and i agree with some of the things he said.
however, i don’t believe he’ll become the next chris paul. he basically said that his game emulates chris paul’s, and that he could be a 10-year cornerstone franchise player. i think he’ll be good, i think he could even emerge as a starting point guard, but i do not think he’ll be the all-star player that site has him pegged to be.
i guess we’ll just see, though.
by Trevor Paxton on May 16, 2009 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Draft for Phoenix
My conclusions haven’t changed from my NCAA tournament scouting post in March. If we go PG, we choose Erioc Maynor. If we decide that PG is not the need, we go SF and choose Clark or James Johnson of Wake Forest. Before you all get excited or depressed, make note that the online mock drafts are all over the board. Some have Clark as high as #7, others have him in the middle of the round. I think Maynor is the best PG. Do not draft Holliday. If Clark, Johnson, and Maynor are gone, take Ty Lawson. Stay away from Holliday, Evans, or Flynn. Holliday is a fundamentally poor combo player. Evans is a me-first scorer like a Larry Hughes. Flynn is a poor man’s Kidd, a PG who can’t shoot.
Whatever happens, don’t panic and end up with another marginal talent like Lopez or Dragic. We have a do-over here. Let’s get it right.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
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