Phoenix Suns draft discussion...let the potential begin
by Seth Pollack on May 21, 2009 1:36 PM MDT
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The lottery is over and the draft order is set. Alvin Gentry proved lucky once again (for the Clippers) and The Phoenix Suns are picking14th as expected. With a little over a month before the big day we can expect a lot of discussion of specific players and movement up and down the various mock drafts.
At the top of the order the drama looks like it will be with Ricky Rubio. His agent's statements that he doesn't want the Spanish wonder kid to end up in Memphis or Oklahoma City should make for all kinds of great blog fodder over the next few weeks.
That's just semi-interesting noise to us here in Phoenix. Drafting 14th will put the pressure on the Suns front office as they try and avoid having a great player (like Courtney Lee last year) fall past their pick.
Of course, it made sense at the time to draft a defensive oriented 7ft athletic center to back up Shaquille while the Suns were loaded at the two-guard with Bell, Barbosa and Tucker.
That's the challenge with the draft. Not only is it hard to predict which players will turn into Manu Ginobilli (drafted 57th overall) and which will turn into Nikoloz Tskitishvili (the #5 pick in 2002) but it is hard to even know what your own team's needs will be two or three years down the line when most picks start to show their worth.
Suns draft needs as they relate to Steve Nash
Steve Kerr said recently that the Suns would draft the "best player available" and given their roster (and it's age) this is a wise move. The recent revelation by Nash's agent that he is looking for a raise as part of any extension might seem to tilt the balance more towards a point guard. I don't agree with that.
Nash, extended or not is at best only in the near term plans for the team. In two or three years it is hard to imagine Nash being the "motor that makes the car go" as Coach Gentry recently called him. Look how fast Jason Kidd and Sam Cassell dropped off as they round the corner past 36 years old.
Kidd is only one year older then Nash and while still potent was considerably less of an impact player this year then he was at age 34. Cassell had a fantastic year at age 36 but then saw his point total drop almost in half at age 37 and last year at 38 was bought out of his contract so he could play his final few games of his career with the Celtics.
John Stockton on the other hand, played until he was 40 and didn't miss a game in his final four years. Nash is famous for his fitness and conditioning but he also has the chronic back issue and we've seen him break down due to excessive wear before. Nash plays at a much higher tempo and handles the ball in traffic far more the Stockton ever did.
The point as it relates to the this draft? There's no way to know what will happen with Steve and with impending holes at pretty much every other position as well, the best player available option is clearly the way to go.
Looking at the mock drafts at Draft Express, NBA Draft.net and our own Ridiculous Upside, you see a lot of variety at this point in time. The combine and team workouts over the coming weeks will solidify things but for now, the range of players the "experts" predict will be available to the Suns is quite large.
Here's a list of names that most seem to agree could be in our sites with links back to their profiles via Draft Express. We will get into more depth with specific players as we learn who the Suns are working out.
DeJuan Blair PF/C
Ty Lawson PG
Jonny Flynn PG
Earl Clark SF/PF
Terrence Williams SG/SF
Eric Maynor PG
Jrue Holiday PG/SG
Jeff Teague PG/SG
Chase Budinger SG/SF
Let the fun begin!
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What to do
The Suns must develop and that means not to renew Nash. So the best option for the Suns is to make a sign & trade with him.
In the draft we must go for a SF and I think Earl Clark is a good option with Hill coming from bench.
If the Suns could trade Jrich for a pick there are many PG in this draft, so that’s not a problem.
Obviously it’s necessary to renew Amare if we want to stay competitive and the roster is almost the same than this season but younger.
And the financial situation is better and in the 2010-2011 season The Suns can continue rebuilding the team
by matrix7 on May 21, 2009 2:01 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thing is, if Nash goes, then Hill is probably gone, too..
Hill isn’t playing for money, at this point.. he’s playing to contend. And if you trade Nash, who do you replace him with.
Just because we got lucky, and beat the Lakers one game, without him, doesn’t mean we’ll win even 40 games without him. Oklahoma beat the Lakers, this season, and where did they end up??
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by Pliny the Elder on May 21, 2009 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Do NOT do what Dallas did and let Nash walk right out the door for nothing. I have an awful feeling that he’d walk straight to the Lakers. DFish is done and they are gonna be in the market for a capable PG who wants to win a championship before he retires.
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by CMoney on May 22, 2009 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Nash does end up on the Lakers..
you’re gonna hear a whole bunch of stuff, from the LA media about how good a team defender Nash is. I guarantee it.
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by Pliny the Elder on May 22, 2009 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Lakers
aren’t going to be able to afford to keep Ariza and Odom, how could they pay Nash $14m+?
Fisher is signed through end of next season (2010) at about $5m. Farmer at about $2m.
Side note: All three of the Lakers point guards combine this season are making $6.5
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by Seth Pollack on May 22, 2009 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just making a point about the sports media..
But if he does leave the Suns, pulls a Grant Hill and somehow ends up on the Lakers, he’d more than make up the money with endorsements.
I’d point out that the Lakers are far more capable of absorbing salary tax than any franchise except the Knicks.
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by Pliny the Elder on May 22, 2009 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand
The last thing I read is: “Clippers willing to move the top pick for the right package”
Do you really think Clippers are willing to move Griffin?
Do you think that a pack Amare + 14 pick for Kaman + top pick it possible?
by matrix7 on May 21, 2009 2:05 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it ...
The reason they’d trade the top pick is so they don’t have to worry about the clog at power forward. Trading away Griffin for Stoudemire would present the same dilemma, but without all the ridiculous upside. No way the Clippers do that trade, as moronic as they are.
by jburning on May 21, 2009 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Clips are more likely to draft Rubio (word is, he really wants to end up in LA anyway), then try to trade Baron Davis.
by jburning on May 21, 2009 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clippers/Grizzlies
That’s a trade that makes too much sense.
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by rosewood on May 21, 2009 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, no and no
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by Grockcubs on May 21, 2009 3:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Rumors
DE is talking up the fact that Chicago is shopping T.Thomas and might be willing to part with him and Hinrich for a top notch PF. I’m still not really a fan of that trade, but with Amare talking about leaving after next season unless the Suns are championship contenders (which they won’t be) maybe it’s not the worst idea.
I mean, all commentary about Amare’s irreplaceable value goes by the way side if we don’t think we can keep him. Then you just get what you can for him and the sooner the better because the Suns will have far less leverage in February (b/c everyone knows he’s going to walk) than they will this summer.
Also, Stockton was the master of dribbling in the lane. What you smoking?
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by rosewood on May 21, 2009 4:04 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Also
TWill or Blair though I don’t think Blair will be there. As far as PGs, I’d be happy if Lawson fell to us but other than that I’d rather see the Suns go a different way (unless of course Jennings fell by some miracle).
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by rosewood on May 21, 2009 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
developing tallent
i dont mind any of the names above except Eric Maynor PG, Jrue Holiday PG/SG, Jeff Teague PG/SG, Chase Budinger SG/SF.we sould stay well away from.
i think the suns should draft defensive players personally.
after Griffin everyone is a project. and i do think rubio will take his name out of the draft.
i think management should keep the core intact i am sure nash shaq and amare will play there hearts out in there contract year, plus missing the playoffs this year should motivate them plus playing under Alvin will get them into the playoffs.
Utah will loose boozer so that will be hard for them.
Dallas with billionaire cuban will go crazy this year in free agency (watch this space)
New orleans will have a down year(hopefully)
San Antonio well lets face it they played with timmy and manu half injured throughout the year
portland will get better
denver will be the team to beat
lakers will losse odom and maybe ariza
houston with artest mcgrady will need to sort stuff out
i think the western conference will even out with teams like the OKC and LAC will have better this year
denver
lakers
san anotnio
phoenix
portland
houston
dallas
utah / NOH/ maybe someone will suprise the rest
by phxuk: Ap on May 21, 2009 4:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope that one of these days during my lifetime, I can see the Suns draft a franchise-defining player and properly develop him, ala Tim Duncan. Stoudemire was almost that player, but his BBall IQ is just in the dumps.
by jburning on May 21, 2009 4:19 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Duncan
was a #1 pick overall….you have to both suck and win the lottery to get a guy like that
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by Seth Pollack on May 21, 2009 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know ...
It just feels like the Suns haven’t had that franchise guy. They had all-stars that helped them out immensely, such as Charles Barkley and Steve Nash, etc., but they never had that guy whose name you thought of when you thought of the Suns. The NBA overall, isn’t really designed the way it used to be though. You used to be able to go “Rockets = Olajuwan, Jazz = Malone/Stockton, Knicks = Ewing, Bulls = Jordan,” etc. you had guys who stayed with a team for a significant amount of team and lead them to sustained success. Kobe Bryant is about the only one in the modern age, but I’m hoping Dwight Howard and LeBron James can follow those footsteps.
by jburning on May 21, 2009 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know.. Nash is pretty synonymous with the Suns at this point..
even if it’s only been for 5 years.
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by Pliny the Elder on May 21, 2009 5:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess ...
I mean more guys who basically stayed with the same team their whole career. If Nash gets signed to an extension, then I think he’ll be that guy. I guess KJ was almost one of those guys. I’m sure there are more examples, but it just feels like we haven’t really had one.
by jburning on May 21, 2009 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Suns
have a ton of guys that are “Suns”…they just happen to be from decades past.
Alvin Adams. Walter Davis. Paul Westphal.
The Hawk didn’t play long enough in Phx I guess for that.
You could maybe even throw in Thunder Dan who was here 8 out of 14 yrs.
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by Seth Pollack on May 21, 2009 6:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely THUNDER DAN and KJ!! huge for the SUNS!….olvier miller anyone??
by Dan M on May 22, 2009 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I smoke well thank you
I also lived in SLC 97 – 99 and watched the Jazz daily. He ran the pick and roll to perfection and he had a sweet mid range game but he was nothing close to Nash when it came to penetration and probing and keeping his dribble alive. He also didn’t get into the lane and finish and of course didn’t push the ball. Of course he also set wicked hard picks and took a pounding in the process which Nash has recently started doing to clear Shaq coming across the lane.
Stockton’s game overall was much less stressful on the body.
As for this trade, I don’t like having Kirk signed through 2012. Do you really want to lock up $9m/yr on him?
The team that loves Kirk is Portland so one of the deals that we talked about around the trade deadline was Amare to Chicago. Kirk H to Portland. Tyrus, Sergio and Frye here (assuming Frye resigns for a reasonable amount)
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by Seth Pollack on May 21, 2009 4:21 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
and btw
I still think Amare won’t or shouldn’t be traded this summer but since we are shooting the shit…
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by Seth Pollack on May 21, 2009 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping ...
They sign Amare to his extension this summer, and that he’s willing to accept a more reasonable figure (like $15m/year as was mentioned on this site), and then they can work on trading him at the deadline or something. I really don’t believe he’s a part of the Suns’ long-term future, and signing him to an extension will make it much easier to get rid of him, ironically enough.
by jburning on May 21, 2009 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to trade him
if he isn’t going to stay. At that point, any gains are positive. And I think 9m/yr on Hinrich is perfectly reasonable even if not ideal (and remember it’s only 8M in 11-12; he has a declining contract). But he’s a quality NBA starter at quality NBA starter price.
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by rosewood on May 21, 2009 7:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But then
do you don’t extend Nash right?
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by Seth Pollack on May 21, 2009 10:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I wouldn't think so
But that’s really just a money saving move b/c the Suns won’t be FA ready until after Shaq expires.
Speaking of which, can you imagine Shaq’s twitter if both Nash and Amare got traded?
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by rosewood on May 21, 2009 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shaq, he was a good man....
Isn’t he kind of young to expire?
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by Hawk42 on May 21, 2009 11:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stockton didn't take the charges Nash takes, either.
plus he set picks with his elbow. old school, like his coach.
But, the thing that’s amazing about John Stockton is that his per minute numbers didn’t fluctuate much, right up until he retired, and he was so fit, he could probably still play 25 mins/game, if he wanted to.
If Stockton is any indication, then Steve Nash has at least 3 good years left, and by good I mean playing at a top-10 pg level, for 30 mins/game. With our organization, and our physio guys, that’s not an unreasonable target.
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by Pliny the Elder on May 21, 2009 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Do you really want to lock up $9m/yr on him?
Yes. Kirk Hinrich is pretty much the best young PG we can get on the market. And he can defend 2.5 positions (He ended up checking Paul Pierce in that Bulls-Celts series!). He shoots 40% from 3’s. He’s basically Raja Bell at his best plus decent skills.
With Bulls new GM saying they want to resign Gordon, Hirich will be like Boris Diaw is on 08-09 Suns — decent player with a big contract forced into a backup role.
But the problem is, among our big-name players, only Amar’e interests them. Amar’e for Hinrich + Tyrus Thomas + Tim Thomas? Can we somehow get Joakim Noah?
On the other hand, the bulls have enough ballhogs — D Rose, Gordon, Salmons, and to a lesser extent, Deng and Brad Miller… these guys all need the ball in their hands to be successful. If you add Amar’e to the mix… good luck with that.
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by gadogry on May 21, 2009 6:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Noah
is going anywhere. His fitting with Amare is why the trade works for Chicago at all. I’d agree though it might give Chicago one too many scorers though Amare would be their only quasi-interior scorer.
But yeah I agree re: Hinrich. I mean, something like Hinrich + Ty. Thomas + 2010 pick. How do you not do that?
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by rosewood on May 21, 2009 7:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.. Noah is staying put..
Because he was the heart & soul of this year’s Bull Run.
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by Pliny the Elder on May 21, 2009 8:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
no one is going to win this argument, but Magic Johnson, Marv Albert (NBA on NBC!) and I all believe that one of John Stockton’s great and reknown talents was his ability to keep his dribble alive longer than other players.
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by rosewood on May 21, 2009 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious....
I’m not disagreeing with you, but do you have a pointer to Magic saying that.. I’m always fascinated by great pg’s talking about others.. Isiah Thomas was pretty good in that regard, too.
My recall on the subject isn’t about dribbling, but how safe the ball was in Stockton’s hands, and his great assists/turnover ratio.
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by Pliny the Elder on May 21, 2009 8:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I have is memory
In my basketball evolution one thing I always remember was Magic Johnson talking about Stockton’s ability to keep the dribble alive in the lane. Because I then tried to emulate that all the way through high school (at least until I quit). And I would always talk about that and watch for that specifically.
I don’t know. it’s kind of funny Stan would bring that up at all, but it was one of my core basketball truths growing up: maybe it isn’t true: but I pretty much have always subscribed to the rule "keep the dribble alive like John Stockton. "
I don’t know if Magic talked about ball security at another time. This was literally during a half-time interview in like 94. Then Albert said something about it a few months later.
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by rosewood on May 21, 2009 8:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Later in his
career…I certainly watched Stockton more, later in his career and he was much more like a Billups playing on the wing but of course also running the pick and roll w/ Karl. I don’t recall him getting into the lane, under the rim, circling around and either dishing or scoring. That wasn’t his game as I remember it circa 1997.
Btw – I delivered KFC to Bryon Russell’s house once. Just throwing that out there.
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by Seth Pollack on May 21, 2009 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would make that into a shirt.
Front: I delivered KFC to Bryon Russel’s house once.
Back: Just throwing that out there.
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by rosewood on May 21, 2009 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great idea
How’s L school btw?
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by Seth Pollack on May 21, 2009 10:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's over
Now I’m studying the bar and that means I finally have to work (or at least full time), which I imagine will seriously damage my fantasy football prowess this upcoming season.
Oh well, my wife will be happy.
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by rosewood on May 21, 2009 10:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice, congrats
what field of practice?
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by Seth Pollack on May 21, 2009 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Administrative Law!
It’s steady (agencies never go out of business) and esoteric all at once and I’m the rare soul who really likes it. So I’ll be working with the Texas AG (attorney general) defending Texas agencies or to be more specific, writing briefs that my bosses will get to use. F’n seniority.
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by rosewood on May 21, 2009 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember reading an interview with John Stockton
where he said he hated to play pickup games, because they weren’t organized, and that he couldn’t stand that. Stockton, to me is the ultimate technical player, and I don’t mean that in a bad way. The Jazz had a number of go-to plays, including the pick & roll, that John was so good at executing,. It didn’t matter that you knew what play was coming up, he was so precise, you couldn’t stop it.
I really didn’t start to appreciate Stockton’s game until I read Wilt’s book, where he claimed that if he were normal height, he thought he’d be a Stockton type player. Hyperbole on Wilt’s part, for sure, but it showed a huge respect for Stockton.
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by Pliny the Elder on May 22, 2009 12:07 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait wait wait
Sergio + Frye + Ty. Thomas > Hinrich + Ty. Thomas.
In the immortal words of Sen. Clay Davis (if you watch The Wire):
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeiiiit.
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by rosewood on May 21, 2009 7:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love the wire - best TV show ever (or darn close)
If you are keeping Nash than yes, it’s a better fit on this team and a better use of salary. You replace Amare w/ two bigs and you get another decent enough (and cheap) back up for Nash.
If you go w/ Kirk then it’s a long term commitment to that guy and who’s he going to ball with once Nash, Hill and Shaq are gone in 2010? JRich?
He is a better player, I would agree but not the better fit for the Suns right now. He’s a great fit for Portland though. Plays well at slower speeds. Good D. Would compliment Roy.
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by Seth Pollack on May 21, 2009 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
what they should do
The suns should trade any of the big 3 or jrich w/ washington to get their pick if brandon jennings is available at 5. Tyreke Evans or Johnny Flynn. Grab DeJuan Blair at 14.
Whoever you have left between shaq, nash, and amare, and jason richardson listen to all offers.
Shaq and Nash are not going to get us anywhere and are only getting older. I wont be able to watch the suns next year with nash at the point guard again. It is hard to watch him get embarassed night after night trying to guard the league’s other point guards.
Amare will DEMAND MAX contract that means 20+mill a year. he is not worth tying that much money into, he is a lousy defender, cant rebound, and has a bad ego. He is a him player not a team player. dump him for draft picks, young potential players.
Jrich is not worth the money
you could end up with
brandon jennings (5th pick) / goran dragic – point guards
barbosa / tucker – shooting guard
ghill / jdudley – small forward
dejuan blair (14th pick) / lamundson – power forwards
robin lopez – center
then you have steve nash , shaq, jrich, and amare (whichever you have left from washington) to trade for the best you can get. You fill your weaknesses with your traded players you get back and you have a team with some great potential to only get better.
it would be better to watch then this year and especially what next year will be like with steve nash.
Go get Bayless from portland they need nash.
Get Ron Artest as a free agent
Please suns not this same team again. Lets get young, exciting, tough working, defensive minded players not the over paid old vets…..please
by RGreyslak on May 21, 2009 5:16 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with everything you say, but ...
I don’t think the Wizards will go for it. They do want to trade their pick, but they already have enough hugely-paid older folks on their roster and they may not want to take on another one. They are in Win-Now mode, so they might be tempted to go for Amare and then try to ditch Antawn Jamison. However, if we trade Amare to draft Brandon Jennings, we’re without a power forward. Blair is a very undersized power forward, and we lose a lot of scoring with that swap.
by jburning on May 21, 2009 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: I agree with everything you say, but ...
It’s ok it still gives us 3 other tradeable players to fill the holes. i could see washington interrested in nash or amare, agent zero could be a wicked 2 guard with nash to distribute
by RGreyslak on May 21, 2009 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arenas
won’t be happy being a spot up shooter. And Nash + Arenas backcourt is going to be KILLED!!! on the defense every night.
IMO, the best type of backcourt mate for Nash is something like Raja Bell: Can defend the better point guards in the league, makes his 3’s, doesn’t necessarily need the ball to be effective…
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by gadogry on May 21, 2009 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
kinda stole my thunder
I was gonna suggest sending Shaq to Washington for their fifth and bring back whoever they got. Dont know how the salaries work and who would be available to send back (cause im too lazy to research it right now) but i think that would be our best bet
by Funky Flapsack on May 21, 2009 6:04 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
They won’t take Shaq. Brendan Haywood is perfectly serviceable as a center. He doesn’t do nearly as much offensively, but they’ll have Arenas, Butler, and Jamison (and even DeShawn Stevenson) to handle their offensive business.
by jburning on May 21, 2009 8:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
Shaq in DC? That’d be a hoot. He can have a TV show. ShaqPD. He can do COMSTATs with Craig T. Nelson. Of course Haywood would come back with the #5 and some filler.
I like how you guys want to trade guys making 12-20 mill for draft picks. You can’t do that. You have to take back salary.
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by Hawk42 on May 21, 2009 11:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just saw the mock draft at draft express...
and it has pendergraph (of ASU) falling to the suns in the second round. i would absolutely love it if that happened. absolutely love it.
i think he can develop into a solid bench rotation player.
by iamtrevorpaxton on May 21, 2009 6:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
umm...
Why the hell is Tyler Hansbrough so low on everyone’s radar. Late first round. I’m obviously retarded because at 14 I’d take Tyler.
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by SunDolphin on May 21, 2009 6:52 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
because he's an NBA tweener..
Not big enough to play the 4, and not fast enough to play the 3 in the men’s game. He’s gonna end up sitting on the bench at the 8th or 9th spot in the rotation. Why would you waste a first round pick on that guy ?
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by Pliny the Elder on May 21, 2009 8:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
His shot is
ugly too. Low release point. Gentry hates him btw. Or I should say he doesn’t like Tyler’s game and doesn’t think he’ll be a good NBA player.
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by Seth Pollack on May 21, 2009 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hansbrough
One of the draft sites was very unkind to Tyler, and compared him to Mark Madsen.
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by Hawk42 on May 21, 2009 11:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that he isn't going to be a good player..
in the sense that he’ll be reliable, play moderate defense, and basically be a boost when he subs, or plays against the opposition’s 2nd team He could be a Luke Walton type player, impact wise, or a poor man’s Shane Battier.
But he won’t be a starter, or an Odom type impact 6th man (modulo position).
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by Pliny the Elder on May 21, 2009 11:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
His athleticism is very limited when considered at an NBA level.
by jburning on May 21, 2009 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hansbrough = Poor Man's Najera
by Aluminum Foyle on May 21, 2009 9:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand....
Scouts thought Charlie Villanueva would flop, and he has become a serviceable player.
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by Hawk42 on May 21, 2009 11:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks guys
That cleared it up for me.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on May 22, 2009 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think all of you are magnifying Nash’s figure. He is a very good player but I have an important and enlightening detail:
With Nash on Suns´s roster
2004-2005 season: PO Conference finals
2005-2006 season: PO Conference finals
2006-2007 season: PO Conference semifinal
2007-2008 season: RB first round
2008-2009 season: PO NO
As you can see, each season has gone worse. What makes you think that the 2009-2010 season will be better with Nash?
I think it’s time to change and the best possible change is to make a sign & trade with Nash.
by matrix7 on May 22, 2009 1:15 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
come on now
That track record for the Nash’s time with the suns you can’t blame that on him or say its on nash. The decline is not on nash man it on the GM and Owner letting people walk, trading draft picks, pushin Dantoni out the door, don’t be puttin the decline on Nash man!
by Dan M on May 22, 2009 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amare has been here all that time, too..
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by Pliny the Elder on May 22, 2009 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
So have I
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by Seth Pollack on May 22, 2009 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
but everybody blames Amare and no one blames Nash.
Everybody wants to trade Amare because his bad defense, etc. etc. and nobody wants to trade Nash for the same reason
by matrix7 on May 22, 2009 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some people here, myself included, want to trade Amare, simply because of his bad attitude..
Whatever you say about Nash’s lamentable man defense, at least he tries, as you can tell by the number of offensive charges he takes in a game. And he wants to win.. badly.
With Amare, you never know which guy is going to turn up on any given game: the brilliant all-round Amare, or the indifferent box-score whore. We get more of the second kind of games from him, than the first.
The inconsistency wouldn’t be so bad, except you can tell that the guy just doesn’t give a flying rat’s ass, most of the time, even in important games. Sometimes I think the guy cares far more about his box-score, and spectacular highlight reel plays, than he does about winning.. I swear.
You combine that with his rampant egomania (which, imho when he came back from his first knee surgery, destroyed the chemistry we had built during the season he was out), and you basically have a player who’s the second coming of Marvin “Bad-News” Barnes.
It’s not that I don’t think he’s good (although I do think he’s overrated), and probably at this point in time, Kerr is going to have to build the team around him, even though he really hasn’t gotten any better, skill-wise, in the last few years.
My wish for Amare is for the motivation fairy to leave Karl Malone’s work ethic and attitude under his pillow. In the absence of that, I’d just remind you that 6-10, 250 lb players aren’t that rare in the NBA.
I for one would be prepared to sacrifice a little offense, for consistent defense, because I don’t give a shit about dunks, blocked shots that are sent into the 18th row, or highlight reels.
I watch the game for the art of it. Because I like to watch perfectly executed plays, the liquid passing of an unselfish team, and intelligent team-oriented play on both ends. But that’s just me, and it’s why I don’t watch college ball.
"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".
by Pliny the Elder on May 22, 2009 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Matrix, thank you. Do people really think what hasn’t worked for 5 seaons is somehow going to come together in the sixth when everyone on the team is 6 years older and not as good anymore? Amare and Nash just need to go. We need to build a team from the ground up with the things that it takes to win championships. I don’t see any of our current starters as a player to build around and obviously we don’t know enough about our rookie/bench players. We can do better by trading both Stat and Nash for first round picks/more defensive oriented players and build anew. We can’t do worse, we already missed the playoffs.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on May 22, 2009 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diaw vs. 2
I think that we have a chance to get someone in a similar breed to Boris Diaw – a true point forward, in someone like Earl Clark, and if he fell to 14, I would take him in a heartbeat.
by egp the great on May 22, 2009 9:21 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Gerald Henderson
thats who I want. But he will be gone in the top ten, just watch. Henderson is going to be real good, real good.
I would trade Amare, for youth and picks. I would sign Lamar Odom, solid pro. Nash will be in Phoenix, everyone in the world knows he can only play one side of the court.
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by Grockcubs on May 23, 2009 8:04 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
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