Crazy is different than impossible

by UASun on May 7, 2009 12:53 PM MDT Comment 22 comments

Plus, it's not like there's a whole lot of Suns-related news right now, and no offense PhoenixStan, but I'm not big on the WNBA.

I saw a post from a TrueHoop network blog about the 76ers trading Iggy for Gordon, and it got me thinking. If Iggy and Dalembert want out of Philly, what about coming to phoenix? Stick with me here.

From my humble calculations, the Sixers will be around 4 to 4.5 million dollars under the cap this year. The Suns want to move J-Rich and Shaq for talent and cap space, with Philly in a similar situation. Here's the trade

To Phoenix: Igoudala, Dalembert, Reggie Evans and Jason Smith and the #17 pick

To Philly: Richardson, O'Neal and the #14 pick

Here's why it works, cap-space wise:

Phoenix: The Suns are shredding around 5 millions from their payroll (which is, of course, around ten million because of the luxury tax). Dalembert's contract expires the same year as Richardson's if he doesn't work out, and the only "bad" contract is reggie evans, who is at about 4.6 for the next three years.

Philly: The Sixers shed their salary-cap albotross in Dalembert, and get monster cap space for the summer of LeBron.

Here's why it works, talent wise:

Phoenix: Igoudala replaces the energy, hustle and DEFENSE lost by Marion. If we're playing fast paced, a Nash-Barbosa-Iggy-Stoudemire-Dalembert lineup would, in my humble opinion, bring back the glory days- in Iggy we would finally have our stopper. Dalmbert, in a bad year, averaged the same blocks and rebounds as Shaq did, would fit better next to Amare, and I bet would have a better chance of repeating those numbers that Shaq will. You can also go Nash-Iggy-Hill-Stoudemire-Dalmbert for a suprisingly decent defensive team, that can still score, because unlike Bell or Marion, Iggy can create his own shot. Evans becomes the back-up big man that we need. Teague or Holliday should be available at 17 for us to draft.

Philly: It seems to be a fore-gone conclusion that Dalembert is on his way out, and Iggy wants to be. J-Rich can put up all the numbers Iggy can offensively, and most importantly he lets them play Thad Young at the 3, whom they seem to be enamored with. A Williams-Richardson-Young-Brand/Speights-O'Neal lineup would be just as good as last year, would give them a chance to build around Lou, Young and Speights, and would give them that precious cap space.

Obviously, I am enamored with this trade. So sue me. I may harbor a man-crush on Iggy, but it still seems like a good trade.

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Interesting...

I would think it’s “too big” to work in that there’s too many salaries and players moving but you never know…

I kind of like it too

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by Phoenix Stan on May 7, 2009 1:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

agreed.

i don’t see it happening, as there are so many pieces involved, but if it did happen…that would be fantastic. iguodala is on my list of potential favorite players. he’s yet to move up there, though.

by iamtrevorpaxton on May 8, 2009 1:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

All merits aside

The Sixers are on the hook for 57.2M next year with only 9 players signed. That’s probably already going to have them at the cap plus they have to sign at least three more players.

So they can’t eat a cap hit. That said, the numbers here are still relatively close, so it should work at least for cap purposes. I’m just saying the Sixers aren’t under the cap.

Also, the Dalembert contract is far, far worse than the Evans contract. Almost 24M for two years of Dalembert? That qualifies as a horrible contract.

But still, as you said it isn’t impossible. And really all fan fantasy trades are more or less equally meritorious, so by all means leave the dream.

Purchasing my Dragic jersey

by rosewood on May 7, 2009 1:21 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

live the dream

not leave the dream. That’s a pretty big difference.

Purchasing my Dragic jersey

by rosewood on May 7, 2009 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I forgot

about the back-sliding cap being lower next year than it was before. Tarnation.

by UASun on May 7, 2009 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jrich and lopez for Dalembert and Thaddeus works better. Trade shaq elsewhere.

Nash/twill/thad/amare/dal

by bradley281 on May 7, 2009 1:43 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

no way

There’s no way that trade is happening. They won’t give up Thaddeus Young, he’s a young player that they seem to be obsessed with, and he really isn’t that great.

by Bostwik on May 7, 2009 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

Dalembert is almost the cost of doing business for getting Iggy. I don’t think anyone would trade for him outright. That said, I think he’s better than most people think.
Young isn’t getting traded

by UASun on May 7, 2009 3:29 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

there is a reason...

…that his nickname is the haitian sensation. the dude can play. had an off year, but i like his defense and what he brings to the table.

by iamtrevorpaxton on May 8, 2009 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I honestly don’t see a trade with Philly happening, because half their roster has to be signed back and what’s under contract isn’t really compatible. There’s no way Philly would take Shaq, because they already have Brand who needs post position. I do think a player like Dalembert would be a good fit for Phoenix. I like Iggy, but he does what J-Rich does, and for about the same price. I would love to get Speights over any other player on their roster.

by jburning on May 7, 2009 3:31 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Iggy plays defense

Lockdown, drag-out defense. That’s the difference between him and J-Rich, and why it would be such a good fit.
It’s a good point about Shaq; they might not take him. Here’s a question?
Would anyone here (besides myself, obviously) do a J-Rich + #14 pick for Iggy?

by UASun on May 7, 2009 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Those two aren’t different enough talent wise to justify our pick as well. Jrich can be a 20/5/3 guy, no need to give up the pick.

by bradley281 on May 7, 2009 9:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not different enough?

Have you seen J-Rich try to play defense? Offense wise, maybe their the same. Maybe. But J-Rich can’t guard a cup of tea on defense.

by UASun on May 8, 2009 1:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree that Iggy is much better defensively. However, he’s also one of those careless offensive players who jacks up ill-advised shots pretty often. I guess overall, I’d rather have Iguodala. Not sure if I’d throw in our pick to get him, though.

by jburning on May 8, 2009 7:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'd throw in our pick.

with this situation, i’d try a jason richardson + 14th overall pick for andre iguodala.

here’s why:

have you seen iguodala’s passing? he would be a great floor leader to have on the court when dragic gets flustered or barbosa (who has improved, but isn’t perfect) forgets how to pass. jason richardson is a mediocre passer/ballhandler, at best.

iguodala’s defense is lightyears better than richardson’s. he can stick with a man, block shots, and take over the void of lock down defender left by raja bell. grant hill is a good defender, but he’s not the lockdown kind of guy raja was in his prime.

iguodala is still younger than richardson by a few years (three, i just checked). and while richardson is still decently young (but gives that “veteran presence” all teams seem to hype up so much…), i think we could convince philly on it. plus, he’s a proven scorer in this league. put him in an environment where everyone believes in him and give him the green light, and he’ll put up great numbers.

i’d give up our 14th pick in a weak draft to pick up a young, promising player in iggy. maybe fenagle a second round pick in the 2010 draft?

by iamtrevorpaxton on May 8, 2009 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

True about the passing ...

He regularly gets like 7 assists a game in Philly.

by jburning on May 8, 2009 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm surprised they still have cap space after signing Elton Brand to that obscene contract.

Aprende epsañol y esto tendra mas sentido para ti.

by Diosnomeama on May 7, 2009 4:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I don’t care. Just make suns season come quickly. Jrich or Iggy don’t make a huge diff to me. I give Iggs a slight leg up.

by bradley281 on May 7, 2009 8:00 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Young is going to be an absolute monster in this league

i would be be incredibly psyched if we could get him

by IrrationalAgent on May 7, 2009 11:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Interesting!

I find this trade fascinating for several reasons. The issue with any Suns trade at this moment is not necessarily getting equal “talent” but equal ability and stats. So its not about getting Josh Howard for Shaq, but someone who can get certain stats that Shaw can (i.e. rebounds and blocks!!) The second thing they seem to be attempting to address is the need for some kind of impressive defensive player who can single handedly change the team’s defensive dynamic. This trade deals with those issues plus gives us the money space we need. Iggy is an awesome player, one whom I have admired for a while. At the 3 in the Suns system we would be unstoppable. Plus, Dalembert provides what we need in big man defense and the rebounds and blocks we get from Shaq. The added bonus is that he doesnt take away shots from Amare because he doesn’t clog the lane with his size or demand the ball. Dalembert would be a quiet force pulling down bounds and going 10 points a game without a fuss. I love it. If the Suns trade at all, this is one of the only options I would go for.

Go read a book!

by N8lol on May 9, 2009 5:21 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Dalembert

Would definitely not take shots away from Amare, but he still wouldn’t exactly play without a fuss. He’s a little bit spoiled and can kick up a fuss if things aren’t exactly going his way. I’m a Canadian so I followed Canada’s national basketball team last year attempting to qualify for the Olympics, and Dalembert got himself kicked off the team. I forget what for but it seems to have been for being a bit of a prima donna. I think he’s been getting a little bit frustrated in Philly, but if he could come here I’d say he’d fit in. Just pointing out that he’s a guy who feels he’s entitled to a fair number of points. He won’t clog the lane though.

by Willman on May 9, 2009 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs