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This just got posted on valleyofthesuns.com

Shaquille O’Neal has spent his entire career winning big as the dominant big man on a team featuring a sidekick stud wing, from Penny to Kobe to D-Wade.

As Shaq gets up in age, it might make perfect sense for the Phoenix Suns and Cleveland Cavaliers to get together on a deal that would add LeBron to that illustrious list.

Yes it would be very strange to see Shaq playing the Big Sidekick role to LeBron’s megasuperstar, and you’ve got to wonder how Shaq’s ego would play in such a position, especially after he made a point to come up with a better pregame intro than LeBron’s camera intro.

But Shaq desperately wants that fifth ring to pass Duncan among big men this era, and LeBron badly needs a sidekick better than Mo Williams, as we saw during the Orlando series. And could you imagine how fun a LeBron-Shaq partnership would be for the rest of us to watch?

Shaq to the cavs for Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic.

http://valleyofthesuns.com/2009/06/01/are-the-cavs-missing-a-big-sidekick/

What do you think.....This would free up 15 million.

 

 

 

 

 

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We discussed this last week

and I don’t think it would save $15m for the Suns. Even if Ben retires, he will still count against the cap.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2009/5/29/892499/what-if-shaq-had-been-traded-to

by Phoenix Stan on Jun 1, 2009 8:15 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm been pining for this for longer than a week

I’ve been hounding on this longer than I was hounding for Bell to be benched.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Jun 1, 2009 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

We all have been...

we all have been….

Hopefully Howard’s performance against the sticks on the Cleveland front line will motivate Ferry properly to pull the trigger…

"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq

by Max_in_Missouri on Jun 1, 2009 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a twist to the story

If Ben Wallace retires, then the Cavs are under the cap and can take Shaq on a salary dump (don’t need to have the 125%)

However, I think he’s just grumpy right now. He should listen to Sarver/Kerr/D’Antoni when they say to wait a few weeks to make a decision.

Anyway, more fodder …

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Jun 1, 2009 10:23 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah

and I love that he is willing to walk away from that kind of money if he can’t perform unlike more players…

I still don’t think we know the full cap implications though although I do believe that if they can get a portion of his salary covered by insurance that would be a big saving and of course if he agreed to a buy out that would make him very trade-worthy.

If he simply retires though, I think he still counts against the cap but then does the receiving team not have to pay him? But then would his salary still be used to calculate the lux tax. All very confusing. If only I were a lawyer…

by Phoenix Stan on Jun 1, 2009 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

that article seems to suggest that if he walks away, there are no tax/cap implications on anyone

but that doesn’t mean the guy that wrote the article knows what he’s talking about

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Jun 1, 2009 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Logically ...

I don’t see why a retirement would count against the cap still. It’s the player’s choice to retire, not the team’s, so how could they hold that against their cap? Then again, legal stuff doesn’t often use logic.

by jburning on Jun 1, 2009 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

remember...

how everyone in Miami wanted Shaq to retire so it would free up cap space? Then the Suns came in and did the Heat a favor

by Funky Flapsack on Jun 1, 2009 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to CBA FAQ

which is a great resource btw

Any money paid to a player is included in team salary, even if the player has retired. For example, James Worthy retired in 1994, two years before his contract ended. He continued to receive his salary for the 1994-95 and 1995-96 seasons, so his salary was included in the Lakers’ team salary in those seasons. It is at the team’s discretion (or as the result of an agreement between the team and player) whether to continue to pay the player after he has retired.

There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is not included in the team’s team salary. This is when a player is forced to retire for medical reasons and a league-appointed physician confirms that he is medically unfit to continue playing. There is a waiting period of one year following the injury or illness before a team can apply for this salary cap relief. If the waiting period expires mid-season (on any date prior to the last day of the regular season), then the player’s entire salary for that season is removed from the team’s team salary. For example, in March 2003 the Knicks were allowed to remove Luc Longley’s entire 2002-03 salary from their books (and since the luxury tax is based on the team salary as of the last day of the regular season, the Knicks avoided paying any tax on Longley’s salary). This provision can also be used when a player dies while under contract.

If the player “proves the doctors wrong” and resumes his career, then his salary is returned to his team’s team salary when he plays in his 10th game in any one season (including pre-season, regular season and playoff games). This allows a player to attempt to resume his career without affecting his team unless his comeback is ultimately successful. A team loses this salary cap relief even if the player later signs and plays 10 games with a different team.

Teams are not allowed to trade for disabled players and then apply for this salary cap relief. Only the team for which the player was playing when he was disabled may request this relief.

If a player retires, even for medical reasons, his team does not receive a salary cap exception to acquire a replacement player.

So, it would seem that Wallace would have to be traded and then retire AND agree to give up his salary which is kind of a dicey proposition isn’t it? What it you trade for him and he changes his mind. Could you somehow get his retirement in writing ahead of time but wouldn’t that be seen as skirting the rules?

I think the best bet would be to trade for him with understanding that he would take a buy out at a low amount like 10% or even 20% of his contract. That could work but again, only if he agreed to it before the deal.

by Phoenix Stan on Jun 1, 2009 6:35 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

either way

we can trade shaq for wallace straight up, and it would save us money, whether he retires or not. I say do it

by Funky Flapsack on Jun 1, 2009 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHAT???

Why does anyone think that Ben Wallace is anything other than washed up???

If he plays, the guy is a liabiity, if he retires then it leaves Amare to slide to the 5 spot (which we’ve all seen is a complete disaster)
It would leave us in the unenviable position of needing a servicable centre, and there aren;t a lot of good guys out there.
We could make a run at Gortat, but after the Magic success why would he want to leave?

by Chucko667 on Jun 1, 2009 8:23 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Gortat

I personally think could be a starter, but he would leave Orlando for reasons ranging from fiscal wisdom to the fact that he would only ever see 15-20 min/game as the back up to a dominant, young center. Unless he does not want more from his career than to be the foul-trouble answer for Orlando, he is gone.

by egp the great on Jun 1, 2009 11:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gortat

What it really comes down to is whether he wants to be a starter, or win rings.
If Orlando go all the way (not that i think they will, but they are 2-0 against LA in the reg season so who knows) then i can’t see Gortat leaving just to start on a team that didn’t make the playoffs last season.

I’d love him at phoenix, the polish hammer would be a great addition next to Amare, but i think it’s a long shot.

by Chucko667 on Jun 1, 2009 11:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

it leaves Amare to slide to the 5 spot (which we’ve all seen is a complete disaster)

it wasn’t a complete disaster, at least not for mike d’antoni. got him $6m per from the knicks.

"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!

by marionette on Jun 6, 2009 11:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wallace
  1. reason why you make the Shaq trade for Wallace is becuase it saves the team money. The more money they save= the more money they have to spend. It would be a cost-cutting move not a basketball move. Then maybe, we could sign Gortat

by Funky Flapsack on Jun 2, 2009 1:49 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Wallace

Unless Wallace retires with no pay after the trade, then it doesn’t save the Suns much money at all.
1 year of wallace’s $14m, or 1 year with Shaq’s $20m.
Considering the difference in output between Shaq and Wallace, is it really worth a $6m saving?

by Chucko667 on Jun 2, 2009 6:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

good question.

“mr sarver, is your 1st round pick worth $3m saving?” etc…

"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!

by marionette on Jun 6, 2009 11:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think we'd be under the cap

If we’re not under the cap, max we could offer Gortat would be MLE, and I bet other teams would match or trump that offer(including Orlando)

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Jun 3, 2009 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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