Trade idea with Orlando
Hey guys! First of all I want to introduce myself. I'm a basketball fan from France, and I've discovered the NBA three years ago, thanks to a friend who got me interested in this sport but also in the Suns, which made me enjoy the game with they run & gun style of play. I'm a Celtics fan first and foremost but I still support the Suns and I've been disgusted to see them fall apart this season. I've been following BSOTS since a few months and I just had an interesting trade idea in order to improve the team while allowing it to make some great moves in the anticipated 2010 free agency summer, so I thought I would finally register on the blog and share my idea with you.
Your comments and ideas are welcome, and I hope you will excuse my poor english.
I'm convinced that the current roster of the Suns must not be changed. We've seen how amazingly efficient it has been offensively. Considering that the team decides to focus more on defense and improve a bit in this area next year, I feel that this team has a last chance of competing for a title before totally rebuilding after next season. So, keep Nash, Hill, Barnes and Gentry.
Here is the trade : the Suns deal Jason Richardson to the Magic and get Rafer Alston, Courtney Lee and Tony Battie in return.
By doing so, the Suns improve their situation financially. Sure, they would still have to pay the luxury tax this year but they would get ride of J-Rich's big contract while obtaining 3 expiring contracts (they all expire after the 2009-2010 season) of the same value.
Jason Richardson's contract (expires in 2011):
$13,333,333 (2010)
$14,444,444 (2011)
3 Magic's players' contracts (they all expire in 2010)
Alston : $5,250,000
Lee : $1,264,440
Battie : $6,292,000
Total : $12,806,440
This way, the Suns get great financial flexibility to sign big stars in the summer of 2010, allowing them to rebuild when Nash, Shaq, the three former Orlando players and Stoudemire (assuming he uses his option to become a free agent) contracts expire.
Now, the financial asset of the trade put apart, I think that this trade improves the Suns roster. Jason Richardson has been disappointing since his arrival in Phoenix, and he doesn't defend very well. I agree with Phoenix Stan, who said that he needed to take many shots to be effective on offense. So I think we agree that J-Rich isn't really needed in Phoenix, especially when you have Barbosa on your roster.
By acquiring Alston, Lee and Battie, the Suns get three "complement" players :
- Courtney Lee can shoot the three, he defends well and he can drive to the basket with efficiency. He is young and has great potential , he would be a great "heir" to Raja Bell, and younger. He could start or be a backup, depending of Gentry's preference about Barbosa's role (I think he is better in his 6th man role).
- Rafer Alston would be the backup point guard who allows Nash to get some extended rest because Rafer can score by himself (with his drives and pump fakes), shoot well and pass the ball well. We all know that Alston is mentally weak, he can get cold for long stretches or turn "crazy" on some games but overall he would allow Nash to rest and he would a great backup for Steve.
- Tony Battie is the weakest player of the trio but he can rebound and he's got a decent midrange jumpshot. He could be the backup for Shaq or Stoudemire, but it would be more likely to use his expiring contract to get some quality backup. If it's not possible then Battie can play and do his job but he would not be a great improvement over Amundson for example.
Personnally I think that this trade would benefit the Suns because they would get a good bench and still have an opportunity to sign some interesting free agent with their MLE.
Here is what their roster would look like in my scenario :
Nash/Alston/Dragic
Barbosa/Lee
Hill/Barnes/Tucker/Dudley
Stoudemire/Amundson/Quality big man signed via the MLE?
Shaq/Battie/Lopez
Thus, Phoenix would have a pretty effective rotation to make a last run at the championship in 2009/2010 before getting in rebuilding mode after next season with great opportunities thanks to the large amount of money available.
The problem is that Orlando wouldn't probably be likely to agree to this trade but still we can imagine that the Magic would like the idea of getting a great scorer and another great offensive threat in their lineup, in exchange of two old guys who are not likely to be part of their rotation next year (Nelson will start again and Johnson will be his backup, and Battie wasn't much used by Van Gundy this year). Courtney Lee's departure would cost the Magic a lot since he is a young promising and yet already effective guard and a good defender, but it would be the prize to pay to get Richardson.
What do you guys think of this trade? Your comments and ideas are appreciated!
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l like it...
but I don’t see Orlando giving up Courtley Lee for J-Rich.
Same
great trade for us, not so much for ORL
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Orlando needs cap relief
No way they do this
by We-B-Dunkin on Jun 14, 2009 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Welcome
Like most trade ideas, there are issues here but I love and appreciate how you laid it out. Folks, this is the standard for presenting your trade idea and getting them to the front page.
As for the deal, I love it for the Suns but my thoughts on JRich are well known. Move him.
And I LOVE LOVE LOVE Courtney Lee for both the long term and he’s a PERFECT fit next to Nash.
But, the Magic also love Lee (unless they are nuts) and with Battie they would be losing their backup Center since Gortat is a free agent and Magic aren’t expected to have the money to sign him unless they aren’t able to keep Hedo (who has an ETO this summer).
Now, if Hedo walks then this deal might make more sense for the Magic b/c JRich can “replace” Hedo’s perimeter scoring and he is a good fit next to Jameer and Howard. He even has a decent post game which no one else on that team has.
In the pantheon on trade ideas, this is a fairly good one overall.
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Oh, and through in Tucker
so the Magic at least are getting two back court guys coming back. They might want Amundson though which would be interesting too.
He’d be a tough loss but Battie can shoot enough to play with either Shaq or Amare and Lou’s value might turn out to be at it’s highest point (as far as trade value) this summer before he signs a bigger contract and while people still see him as having upside. If Lou comes back w/o an improved jump shot and better FT% then he’s going to sink in value IMHO.
So, if you make this trade offer with JRich and Lou for Lee, Alston and Battie then that might be more likely to get the Magic’s attention
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by Seth Pollack on Jun 12, 2009 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Hell, throw in Lopez
I have no faith in Lopez whatsoever. I think the Magic would definately do Lee, Alston and Battie for J-Rich and Lopez
I would def. take Lee over Lopez, and at this point, I might even be willing to do J-Rich for Alston and Battie.
Then throw the MLE and Sheed Wallace. I promise this is going to happen.
Championship run?
I feel like the team is actually being downgraded by trading J-Rich, and all you’d get in return (based on the depth chart) is a back-up point guard, a back-up shooting guard, and a back-up center. Maybe it’s just me, but for a team that didn’t even make the playoffs last year, making your starting five even weaker isn’t going to present the possibility of making a championship run, let alone even getting home court advantage.
Lee is awesome
I am very high on him. I can easily see him becoming a better shooting Shane Battier. J-Rich is a good player but he doesn’t give the Suns anything they need or don’t already have plenty of.
Ultimately I think what kills this deal is J-Rich contract. If it could be structured in a way to give the Magic some flexibility by cutting costs for them they might do it. Battie and Alston are 2 contracts they probably want to move going forward with a healthy Jameer. But doing this deal plops on more salary for them with 2 more roster slots to fill. They would only do this if they feel they are getting back championship worthy pieces so something else would be have to thrown in this deal to make it work for Orlando.
by runningdonut on Jun 12, 2009 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Lee
is the perfect combo for Steve Nash and this team. He is defensive minded, and can throw it down at the same time. A younger Raja Bell with a higher IQ than Raja had at his age. Remember, he’s only a rookie! We do not need JRich’s scoring with Stat coming back. If we can do this trade, then get Chandler for Shaq, this team would contend! Hell even without Chandler this trade alone would help team chemistry. I say we sign and trade Stromile swift in this deal instead of Lou though.
welcome aboard Drucci
always nice to see some international folks around…too bad your countryman Boris is no longer with us :(
as the others here have said, the trade makes good b-ball sense but alot depends on how Orlando decides to handle their future…if it does happen though, I’m going to insist on a clause that forces anyone we get from the Magic to work on their free throws!!!!
grrrr
I like it mostly, but
Isn’t it true that in like say 2 years tops, this trade would leave us with just Dragic at point? Alston is 33, and sitll playing decent, but it’s not like he’ll last much longer.
I love the deal for Lee and Battie, but the Suns need a young pg in return.
I also agree with ‘royforprez’ when he says that it’d be downgrading our starting 5.
I don’t think J-Rich’s offensive talent is ‘something the suns have plenty of’. We used to… But think of all the good/great shooters the Suns have lost the past few years: Q, JJ, the other JJ, the other other JJ, Marion, Bell, T.Thomas.
Really, in terms of shooters,with J-Rich the suns have Nash, LB, and Barnes. That isn’t a whole lot of firepower.
I say we either keep j-rich, or trade him for a defensive oriented sharpshooter of a lower caliber (Rodney Stuckey+others). That way the suns don’t lose much offensively.
The days of the Suns automatically being considered great shooters should be gone if we lose J-Rich
huh?
What? Maybe if you are talking about three point shooting. But Rich didnt do extravagantly well in any of the shooting categories this season. And Barnes? Awful shooting!! But you forgot about Hill. The guy was clutch night in and night out. Hill was partially what made this team a great shooting team. Dont forget that Amare has like a 45+% jump shot on many nights. I dont think losing Rich would do much damage even if we only got a defense guy.
Go read a book!
I was talking about 3-point shooting
and so yeah, I was giving Barnes more credit than he deserves. It only proves my point further. No J-Rich (if we trade him) and if you say Barnes isn’t a good enough 3-point shooter then the Suns are left with Nash and LB.
J-Rich was a good 3-point shooter for the suns this year. He shot 38%, which isn’t great, but made 100 threes in 58 games. That’s pretty darn good.
Grant Hill is not a 3-point shooter. He can knock them down occasionally, but that isn’t his game at all.
What I’m saying is that if we trade J-Rich and don’t get back a great 3 point shooter, the Suns offense loses a dimension.
Lee
shot 40% from three in his rookie year and he can drive the ball and finish and he can run the floor. He’s Raja Bell + JRich. The only think I don’t think he can really do is create his own shot off the dribble but for a while there he was the Magic’s best drive and kick player too.
I love this kid
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by Seth Pollack on Jun 14, 2009 1:42 AM MDT up reply actions
I like Lee a lot too
The only real things with him are, as you said, he’s a bit of a below average ball handler for a 2 guard and it’s not clear how much he’ll improve from where he is now, since he’ll be 24 before next season even starts. He’s an older rookie.
But he’ll still improve somewhat and definitely has championship role player-type written all over him.
Purchasing my Dragic jersey
Redick
I have been saying this for a while, but we need to try and swing a deal with the magic for Redick. Loved his play in college. Best shooter in the game ever. If he were with the Suns it would work out fantastically. He’s stifled in Orlando, Van Gundy makes him pick up the “odd job” stuff, the pressure to be a good shooter is too much along with trying to be a great defender. In Phx, he would shoot better just like Dragic did under Gentry. He has freedom, options and can run an offense if he needs to. Get Alson out of that trade and put in Redick and you have a deal my friend.
Go read a book!
Absolutely
With all the trade rumors that have been going on for the past 2 seasons now, and even deals that were done *cough*shaqmarion*cough*, I have not had one deal that I liked or even felt slightly comfortable with. But this trade right here, this is a good deal.
If there was one solid poll, Yes or No, as to if we should move JRich, I think it would be highly in favor of Yes. I dont even give a damn who we get for him, honestly.
Courtney Lee, phew, this dude can ball and hasnt even started to really come into his own. Dude is brand new, and would flourish under our bright sun. Alston was a big score for Orlando, and I dont think they’d want to move him just yet. Actually, I dont think Orlando wants to move Lee either.
I do also agree with N8lol on Mr.Better Basketball shooting ace, JJ Redick. I like this guy and I really think the best team for him to display his ability is with us. He’s a spot up shooter, straight up. With a Nash/Amare pick’n’roll, Amare post up, or even Hill/Barbosa slashing, JJ will be waiting on the outside for the kick and open shot.
But, like I said, I dont give a damn about JRich so I’ll take damn near anything for this guy. Lee alone would be worth it to me. Point is, this is finally a good proposed deal. And finally, one not involving Amare!
Thanks for your welcome and your answers
And thanks for publishing my trade idea on the front page, I’m glad to contribute to the blog in some good way.
I agree that this trade isn’t really good for Orlando but for example, in your scenario, Phoenix Stan, if you substitute Hedo and Gortat I think the trade would please the Magic : let’s say that they let Turkoglu walk and decide to keep Gortat (who is a great backup center, and whose place in the rotation is very mportant because of Howard’s usual foul trouble), then they would be glad to acquire Richardson who can “replace” (kind of) Turkoglu, though they would lack Hedo’s passing ability. Other than that, J-Rich pretty much does the same thing offensively, but I don’t know about his efficiency in crunch time.
This scenario is unlikely but who knows… if somehow the Magic can’t afford to re-sign Turkoglu because he asks too much money or has signed with an other team, Orlando would keep Gortat and this trade would make sense for the team.
royforprez, maybe I’m too high on the “championship run” chances of the Suns but I feel that the current roster, combined with new pieces, can compete at a high level next season. Maybe I’m just too optimistic and blinded by my love for the team but anyway I think that it would be foolish to start the rebuilding of the team this summer when you will have all the opportunities to start from scratch in the summer of 2010.
Plus, you may have noticed during these playoffs that no team is invincible, especially in the West. The Lakers almost lost a series against a depleted Rockets team, and the Spurs are finally done (or kind of). I assume that the Suns will be in the playoffs next year, and from then I like their chances, yes.
ilove the redick trade
redick, alston, battie for jrich !
i think the magic would more consider that than lee, alston, battie
No way
We need a two guard that can play defense
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by Seth Pollack on Jun 13, 2009 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions
redick did fantastic against ray allen in the bos series
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Defending Ray Allen
really is a matter of a) not leaving him to help which having the DPOY in the middle makes easier along w/ KG being out and b) hope he’s missing when he curls off screens.
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by Seth Pollack on Jun 14, 2009 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions
its impossible that the magic would give up lee
and besides redick played OK this finals.
and played played alright D against Kobe
Wow
This deal MIGHT work if we threw in our 14th pick or Dudley this year.
We rape them by taking away their legit backup PG (next year), and their breakout rookie, for a guy who can’t play defense and HAS to be the focal point of the offense.
It’s one thing to explain the deal, but I could say, well by trading Richardson and Dudley for Lebron, they get a scorer, BUT ALSO get deeper with Dudley.
And the Suns get their future.
As a Magic fan...
Just thought I’d give my two cents on this idea. Obviously it would be great for Phoenix but there’s no way Orlando makes this trade. We drafted Lee as a long-term franchise player and want to keep him. He gives us versatility as a SG, provides high energy lockdown defense, and has a great jumpshot that will only continue to improve. Alston won’t be the starter after this year, but assuming he doesn’t want to leave, he is an incredible backup for Jameer and gives Orlando that solid full-game PG play we’ve needed for many years. And Battie isn’t a star but he is a valuable part of our team and a necessary one at that if Gortat leaves. (which all signs say he will) Battie is high energy, gives great defense, has a sweet jumpshot for a big man which spread the defense, and is overall a solid backup to D12.
That said, I don’t ever see the Magic making this trade. Lee is untouchable imo and the return wouldn’t be worth giving up Alston or Battie either since our main priority is maintaining our roster for another run and managing salary cap.
cant your team just help a brotha out. we really want Lee
by Funky Flapsack on Jun 15, 2009 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, in a way I predicted the recent Orlando trade for Carter in my fanpost...
Too bad Orlando didn’t do it with Phoenix for Richardson!
This scenario wasn’t as absurd as we thought it was since Orlando basically offered Lee and the other two expiring contracts (Alston and Battie) to acquire a great guard scorer.
Richardson would have been a good fit in Orlando too, don’t you think? The Suns would have completed a good deal in this scenario, too bad it happened with New Jersey instead.

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