J-Rich (or Amare) to the Hawks for Josh Smith?
According to ESPN.com Insider (which, by the way is expensive, tempermental, and disappointing - save your money), the Hawks are trying to move Josh Smith. Since the Suns have had a supremely talented, athletic and moody forward before, I figured . . . why not give it a try
Here's the trade:
The Suns get: Josh Smith, Speedy Claxton and the #19 pick
The Hawks get Jason Richardson and the #14 pick
Why the Suns pull the trigger: The young building block the Suns need. You can absolutely build around Barbosa, Smith and Amare. I probably wouldn't feel safe in a dark room with Josh Smith, but he's a hell of a basketball player, and a perfect fit in an ump-tempo system. They idea of Nash feeding him lobs makes me giddy.
Why the Hawks pull the trigger: Apparently they're fed up with Smith. I know, this isn't want you want to hear when you're trading for the player, but sometimes the team simply not patient enough, and gives up too soon (shades of Marion to Miami, or Nash and Finley to Dallas). It also saves them around 3 million in cap space, which they need, and moves them up in the draft. J-Rich can play the 3, and gives them a #2 scoring option, something they need, since Smith isn't a pure scorer.
I'd even be ok with this trade if it meant straight up sending them the pick, and dumping Shaq on the Cavs to make the room.
[Note by Phoenix Stan, 06/16/09 7:36 AM MST ]
When I saw yesterday that Smith was on the blocks I immediately thought about this too. I am not thrilled with the $6m immediate trade kicker that Smith gets if he's traded and especially not thrilled with his contract which is through 2013 but it does only max out at $13m. Smith with this contract would be a huge gamble. At his age if he matures he could be a key center piece for a long time signed to a reasonable deal. If he's a bust who never improves he's an albatros on the organization's books for a long time.
Having Smith and Amare on the same team is intriguing as well. You put those two on the floor together and you've got the most athletic front line by far. If you move Shaq for salary room this deal almost makes more sense since since you would free up the playing time needed to rotate Amare, Smith and Lopez (for defense). You also increase your bargaining position with Amare since you could better afford to lose Amare if Smith is locked up.
The next obvious question here considering Smith is on the blocks is trading Amare himself.
We all know that Amare would love to play in Atlanta where his "record" label is based so do you consider sending him to Atlanta for Smith? I had always considered Atlanta a potential landing spot for Amare but figured they wouldn't be willing to deal Smith to get him. Now it looks like things have changed in the ATL.
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I don't know....
He definitely can play some awesome basketball but is he worth the trouble. I know JRich has also had some troubles since he got here but nothing near to the degree of Smith. I definitely wouldn’t give up Amare for him but if I was going to trade him than JRich would be the one to go but I would rather swing a deal for someone like Ron Artest if I could.
by Pyromnc on Jun 16, 2009 10:42 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Dunno about Amare in there,
but if it’s JRich, I love this deal.
by Azreous on Jun 16, 2009 10:56 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
And that's the problem.
Amar’e is giving up too much and JRich doesn’t make much sense as they already have Joe Johnson and would probably rather get someone cheaper so they can re-sign Bibby and Marvin Williams.
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by SoulHonky on Jun 18, 2009 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say do it if we can give up j-rich and trade picks then sell our second round picks for money to help with his trade kicker..Smith is young and has improved every year and his defensive skills are going to get better and he’ll be better in our system offensively..like a better shawn marion..Also next year we could have a lot of cap room but with no amare no nash no shaq why would someone want to play for us..i say do it
by Lebrontophx2010 on Jun 16, 2009 1:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
sometimes the team simply not patient enough, and gives up too soon (shades of Marion to Miami, or Nash and Finley to Dallas).
Marion to Miami? i don’t think we lost out on any or Marion’s “skill”
Marion did absolutely nothing in Miami, got traded to Raptors and did absolutely nothing there, and now is a free agent with absolutely no rumours of any teams actually wanting him….
Not that i support the shaq trade, but Marion was over-valued when at Phoenix.
I believe that trade was a lose:lose trade.
by Chucko667 on Jun 16, 2009 5:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
What does that have to do with this post?
Go read a book!
by N8lol on Jun 16, 2009 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The quote from the article (in bold) implies that the Suns did not have enough patience with Marion. I disagree.
by Chucko667 on Jun 16, 2009 9:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love this if we could swing it.
I admit to being a little bit scared of have Smith and Amare in the same room but if we could do this it would be awesome for us. Smith is a great rebounder, defenseman, and scorer. If we did this, we really could trade Shaq and do a RLo, Smith, and Amare rotation. It would be sweet.
Go read a book!
by N8lol on Jun 16, 2009 6:33 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't know how...
the contracts work though. I don’t know how accurate the ESPN trade machine is but this is the only possible outcome I came out with
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=naz8wf
So I honestly doubt they’d be willing to part with Josh Smith AND Horford
I will be honest though I like the trade and don’t mean to throw a wrench in it cause it is a great trade for us.
He has obviously been known to be tough to coach (as mentioned before) but I think what he needs is a fresh start and a new team cough Suns cough to get him motivated.
I personally approve of this. Now Steve Kerr get it done and move on to Shaq.
by Batmanthesunsfan on Jun 16, 2009 11:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
this is the only possible outcome I came out with
switch Horford for Claxton and just add Dudley.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ncz7c2
realistically, Hawks would never take this deal though.
by the evil monkey on Jun 18, 2009 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
But I would like to keep dudley. Young guy with with a spark off the bench. He kept the suns in alot of games last year.
by Batmanthesunsfan on Jun 18, 2009 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would atlanta make this move?
Lose a big man, and get back a position they’re already superior in with Joe Johnson. Wouldnt make sense
by Funky Flapsack on Jun 17, 2009 10:48 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
I think J-Rich could play the 3, and I think they’re going to be desperate to get value for Josh Smith – I think honestly J-Rich and the #14 is the best they may get. It’s not like a lot of teams have money, and he does have a bad reputation
by UASun on Jun 17, 2009 12:42 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Kerr probably wont take a bad character guy though. He’s mentioned this in interviews, how, to build a champion, you need good character guys with a lot of heart. While i would love this trade, I dont think Kerr would do it
by Funky Flapsack on Jun 17, 2009 2:05 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Smith
I’d trade J-Rich for a wet paper sack at this point. I can’t get the DUI, the showboat 360 dunk that was blocked by Lebron, the reckless driving with his toddler charge out of my head. And he was inconsistent as hell. We need guys who can step up their game in the clutch, not knuckleheads. I think Smith fits that better. Hell if nothing else he gets lots of rebounds and blocks and would fit great as our starting 3.
To match up with the lakers we need to get bigger. Geezer Hill and J-Rich are too small to be playing against Gasol and Bynum or Orlando’s frontline even.
by eagleheart on Jun 20, 2009 4:52 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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