Shaq and Amare trade rumor recap...and one new one too
by Phoenix Stan on Jun 23, 2009 1:49 PM MDT
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In a move that will surely have Mark Cuban's huge head explode, ESPN's Ric Bucher tweeted this to Suns fan and Bright Side of the Sun member @rsavaj in response to a question about what moves Suns might make:
Looking to see what they can do with Shaq or Amare. A good chance Shaq will be moved by Thursday.
No real news regarding Amare
It's been confirmed in multiple sources that the Suns have been shot down for deal proposals that would have netted Phoenix significant talent from the Timberwolves and Wizards (this year) and by the Grizzlies and Warriors (last season's trade deadline). The Suns tried to trade Amare for: Jefferson and the #6 pick from Minnesotta; Caron Butler and the #5 from the Wizards; Rudy Gay and their pick in the case of the Grizzlies; and Andres Biedrins and Anthony Randolph from the Warriors.
I think it is fair to say that the market for Amare's services isn't what the Suns front office was hoping it might be.
Perhaps those rumors of a deal with the Bulls is best the Suns can do if trading Amare is in their plans. Some kind of package that includes Tyrus Thomas and pehaps John Salmons and Tim Thomas. Maybe you could even get their 26th pick as well. Somehow though, I am not even sure that the Bulls would do that given that Amare just this week started working out again for the first time since his eye surgery in late February. My guess is that Amare stays at least through the next trade deadline.
With Shaq, as Bucher points out, it's a different story and we've explored the three main trade rumors in depth a few weeks ago: Cavs, Mavs and Hornets. Here's another...
Shaq to the Bulls for Miller and James
Another deal that has been floated includes Shaq to the Bulls for Brad Miller and the super expiring 80% insurance covered contract of Jerome James.
This is an interesting move for both teams. Both Miller's $12.3m and Shaq's $21m contracts expire at the end of this season and Jerome James is a super tradable piece given that 80% of his $6.6m is covered by insurance. Right of the top this deal saves the Suns $3.4m in salary and another $3.4m in matching luxury tax (depending on where the teams total payroll ends up come April 2010). Neither team takes on any longer term deals so the risk is minimal. It is not nearly as big of a savings for the Suns as the deals with the Cavs and Mavs but on the court it is much more appealing.
Brad Miller can still ball and while he and Amare have some history, I am sure Amare would be willing to set that aside once he realizes that Miller can both do the dirty work on the offensive glass AND can spread the floor for him a bit with his ability to pass from the high post and shoot from distance. The Miller/Amare combination might in fact be one of the better pairings for Amare when it comes to bigger centers. Miller of course isn't all that mobile and can't really defend the pick and roll but hey, neither can Shaq so that's a wash.
As for the Bulls, they get the low post scoring threat they are looking for and while they will be spending a bit of money to get him, they would instantly be a better playoff team. They also have a very young locker room that would benefit from having his Shaq-ness holding court.
Throw in the Bulls extra 26th pick and this is my favorite Shaq deal of them all.
I might miss it all
In a massive error in planning on my part, I scheduled a family vacation for this week. I will be flying to North Carolina tomorrow to visit my mom and sister and will miss any fireworks that might happen during the day. I am sure you guys will have my back.
On Thursday, I will be out and about as well, but I have made sure that I will be in front of a TV and computer come draft time on the 25th.
Between my Blackberry and Twitter, I should stay well informed, but don't be surprised if you don't hear from me for extended periods over the next few days.
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I'd have to give
this trade my seal of approval. I’m fan of Miller’s game and I think it would work well with our current roster. Plus, this move is nothing but financial upside. Obviously, I would like it more with the 26, but I’m not sure how feasible that is without the Suns at least sending over a (if not both) second rounders.
Actually, I’d be happier if we could find a way into the 2010 draft here, but I’m not sure if Chi would part with that pick.
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by rosewood on Jun 23, 2009 9:58 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Not a whole heck of a lot of votes yet, but they’re pretty spread out and split between good and horrible. What’s that saying, a deal is equal when both sides walk away unhappy? Maybe we’re finally approaching a trade that is so close to a push that it actually has a chance of occuring.
I like Miller, but it might be that I’m confusing Miller with that Kings team in general from a few years back that I enjoyed watching so much. If we acquire him, I hope he can still at least come close to playing at that level or helping our team be as entertaining as those Kings.
by Bare Minimum on Jun 23, 2009 10:08 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
At least
you are getting a guy that can still play unlike the Cavs or Mavs deals
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by Phoenix Stan on Jun 23, 2009 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
the front office thought they could get more for Amare like over half the bloggers here. The guy is just not that hot of player right now. Amare is a numbers guy, hasn’t won anything ( not all his fault), and has had injury issues.
I like the Bulls trade if the 26 is included, probably do it without the pick.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jun 23, 2009 10:23 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You can't blame
them for shooting high but I am not surprised by the reaction. I think it has more to do with Amare’s health and contract status then who he is as a player.
With his ability to opt out after this season, why would you give up young talent to get him for what might only be one year?
It’s going to take a sign and trade, I think and then Amare get’s a vote and it get’s far more complicated. Or most likely, the Suns extend him and then they can trade him if he comes back and plays well.
That’s why I think he ends up not being traded this summer
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by Phoenix Stan on Jun 23, 2009 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huzzah!
but I am not surprised by the reaction. I think it has more to do with Amare’s health and contract status then who he is as a player.
With his ability to opt out after this season, why would you give up young talent to get him for what might only be one year?
It’s going to take a sign and trade
Speaking truth, Stan.
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by rosewood on Jun 23, 2009 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Call
Listen I hope Amare comes back strong and plays like a beast, and gets the Suns into the playoffs. Then if warranted get a good deal to stay with the Suns. When focused he can be un-guardable, that is what this team needs.
I just hate to see the Suns not get value back if he walks.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jun 23, 2009 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nash
has said that he wants a more active big man. And, it seems like we are still forgetting that he is waiting on the Suns’ off-season moves to make a commitment to play next year. Will signing Brad Miller solve that, or will having Amare back make him happy enough?
by PHXgp on Jun 23, 2009 11:20 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
he's not waiting for off-season moves for next season.
he’s waiting on the off-season moves before he decides to sign an extension or not. he’ll definitely be in a suns uniform, playing and everything. maybe just not after 2010.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jun 23, 2009 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh..the evil ones strike again
ESPN reporting that der Spurs have aquired Richard Jefferson from the Bucks.
Must be nice being a souless Spurs fan.
"Yeah I could have been king, but maybe I already am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness
by Turambar on Jun 23, 2009 12:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Bucks will release Bowen and Oberto
and I’m sure one of the two will re-sign with San Antonio…Are there rules against this type of thing in the offseason? Not that either are great players, but it still reeks…
by ArizonaCactus on Jun 23, 2009 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have to wait 30 days, i think.
that’s what happened with mcdyess. i don’t know about the off-season deal, though.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jun 23, 2009 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brad Miller will be injured all season. Shaq will play well.
Any Shaq trade will be an office move not a court one, and the Bulls need to sell tickets next year.
C'mon Suns - one more time...
by ZonaFlash on Jun 23, 2009 2:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
who is this stranger posting from beyond?
Blogging Suns Basketball
by Phoenix Stan on Jun 23, 2009 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised my account is still active =D
Who are these guys again?
by ZonaFlash on Jun 23, 2009 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think miller is a nice player, but i'd rather have shaq instead next season
if we could trade him for tyson chandler on the other hand….
and thx for posting bucher’s response; i saw it here and now i have no need to check my twitter, haha
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jun 23, 2009 3:46 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Couple of things
First, and I’ll say this with conviction .. Chandler is a stiff. Dude doesn’t work hard in practice, doesn’t work hard on the court and simply isn’t a winner. I’d take an old Shaq before Chandler. I guarantee that Nash and Hill will not appreciate Chandler’s attitude. The training staff would work wonders with his body but you can’t change what’s between the ears.
On the Spurs deal, I’m getting tired of this trade, release and then re-sign thing. Seems kind of shady to me. I guess it gives us the opportunity to get a Bowen for the minimum but it would have to be well above the minimum otherwise he’s back in SA. Simmons was speculating that the Spurs might have to release a Bonner or Mason to get under the cap. If that’s the case I’m all over Mason. But could also see some interest in Bonner’s ability to shoot the trey.
by LA Eric on Jun 23, 2009 4:12 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Bowen???
The suns don’t want Bowen.
I’m pretty sure every player on that team hates him after the 2006 playoffs…
by Chucko667 on Jun 23, 2009 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t hate him not matter what he did to us, if he plays for us, simply because of what he did to us and that he’s not scared to do it to anyone else. That sad, I’d not want him to play for us NOW because he’s not the Bowen of 2006. I’d definitely take Bonner or Mason though, but without knowing the details, I don’t know why the Spurs would resign Bowen if it meant they had to release one of those two.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Jun 23, 2009 7:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
they wont drop...
Bonner or Mason. If they do it would be equal to them saying that they were going under. Like it or not, Bonner and Mason were both instrumental in SA success this year and they know it. Mason hit that F&*#$@# shot at the end of reg during Christmas that got me all worked up. I dont know if I could stand him on my team after that. Would be like signing Horry….not quite
Go read a book!
by N8lol on Jun 24, 2009 7:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
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