Suns draft / trade day a dizzying mess
by Seth Pollack on Jun 26, 2009 12:09 AM MDT
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It's difficult to know where to begin after the last 24 hours and I am pretty tired with an early day tomorrow so I am going to pull out my best writing trick cheat. The bullet points. Besides, I don't believe a narrative prose is even remotely appropriate for the chaos we have gone through and have yet to emerge from.
- Shaq gone. Wallace and Sasha's expiring contracts in
- Rumors abound that the Suns want to trade Wallace to the Hornets for Chandler
- Rumors continued that the Hornets wanted more in the deal
- After being rumored all day, it seem virtually confirmed that Amare Stoudemire will go to the Warriors for Steph Curry, Andres Biedrins and some combo of Kelenna Azubuike, Brandon Wright and/or Marco Belinelli. This can't be announced until Wednesday July 1st b/c Beans is a base year contract guy which basically means this can't be announced until Wednesday
- It is not clear if Amare has a say in this in the form of a sign and trade or some sort of indication to the Warriors that he will extend and stay there. So basically, all of this trade Amare stuff could be blown out of the water by Amare
- Assuming it happens, I like the deal. Beans is a 23 y/o stud 7fter who can defend and rebound on both ends. He can't shot for crap though so you can't play him with Chandler so where does that leave the the deal with the Hornets for Chandler?
- Those other guys aren't chopped liver either. Wright, I am less sure about but maybe. Belinelli I think can be a player and Azubuike can come in and play big minutes at the SF as a defender and shooter.
- Stephen Curry is is 6' 3" combo guard who can flat out score the ball. The Suns reportedly love him and had the Warriors draft him for Phoenix because he certainly isn't a great fit next to Monta Ellis. The more I read about this guy the more I think Ben Gordon. Not bad but not someone you can build around either.
- I would have preferred Jordan Hill if indeed the Warriors pick was at the Suns behest. The Suns without Amare and Shaq have no front court scoring and they have guards out the a$$: Nash, Barbosa, Richardson, Dragic, Tucker and if the deal goes Curry along with Belinelli and Azubuike. That's 8 guards to go along with only four forwards (Clark, Wright, Amundson, Dudley and maybe Hill) and two centers(Biedrins and Lopez) and that assumes Pavlovic and Wallace get cut or bought out. That's 15 players which is too many for the Suns anyway. Something else is up.
- No way the Suns take all those guys from the Warriors. At best they should only take Beidrins, Curry and either Azubuike or Belinelli. I like Marco's upside but Kelenna is more experienced
- At the 15th the Suns of course took Early Clark. In our first mock draft I went with Ty Lawson (who I still like) and in the second mock I took Clark. I like this guy and with Coro reporting now that he's staying in Phoenix, I think he's a solid pick for all the reasons mentioned in the Ball Don't Lie mock.
- The Suns don't see Clark playing this season ahead of Dudley or Amundson. They see him as a higher upside project
- If Clark wasn't available they would have considered trading the pick for something in next year's draft
- Clark wore #5 at Lousville but can't for the Suns since it's retired (Dick Van Arsdale)
- Most importantly, according to the audio from Kerr, the Suns aren't done. They can't be done with this roster
- Oh, and the Suns still have two more picks to go late in the 2nd
- With the 48th the Suns take big brother Taylor Griffin
- 57th pick is Emir Preldzic, a 6'9" SG who likely will stay in Europe and who knows...
- That's it for tonight. The Amare to Golden State "deal" is obviously still in flux and might be for another week
- I look forward to hearing more about our 2nd round picks and seeing them in Vegas
Here's the audio from tonight's Gentry/Kerr press conference and some Earl Clark audio as well. Audio provided by Sports 620 KTAR:
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I said this on the other thread
But I’m thinking GS got gun shy, decided they wanted to keep Curry, and may just back out of the trade.
by UASun on Jun 25, 2009 9:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Why do you say that?
Biedrins contract prevents the deal from being finalized until July 1 and clearly the Warriors are going to want to to a full medical exam on Amare and they want Amare to agree to some kind of extension. A lot to do
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by Seth Pollack on Jun 25, 2009 9:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't make sense
From Kerr’s angle -
Like people have said, a Biedrins/Lopez and possibly Chandler frontcourt makes NO sense.
Remember, Kerr understands how to build a team, even if he has not executed -
He DIDN’T WANT SHAQ – even D’Antoni has confirmed this, even since he has been in New York.
We all thought the J-Rich trade was good at the time.
Biedrins for Amare, without getting Hill or Randolph, makes no sense
by UASun on Jun 25, 2009 9:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is worse?
A Lopez/Biedrins/Chandler frontcourt or a Lopez/Biedrins/Wallace frontcourt?
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Jun 25, 2009 10:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
wallace lol
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jun 25, 2009 11:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA!
This JUST IN from Chad Ford:
Just talked to a source inside the Warriors who said that an Amare Stoudemire deal with the Phoenix Suns was “way off, if it ever happens. It’s nowhere close to being done.”
Both he and Hollinger are convinced Curry is staying in the bay – they made that pick themselves
I think the Suns wanted Hill, and if they cheered when Rubio or Flynn got picked, apparently we might be going after one of them before Curry
by UASun on Jun 25, 2009 9:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I can only pray
That, or hope that Amare realizes he’ll go the way of Baron Davis and he nixes the deal
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Jun 25, 2009 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
doesn't make a lot of sense considering the raucous cheers from the Suns War room
at the Curry pick….
Who are these guys again?
by ZonaFlash on Jun 25, 2009 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
maybe they were cheering because the Warriors are now going to put four guys below 6’5" on the court with “Beans”? cheering for your enemy’s demise?
Would they really be cheering at the chance to get rid of Amare? CHEERING? I can understand wanting to move him, but I think that moment might be a little more somber — like breaking up with a girlfriend when you go off to college?
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Jun 25, 2009 10:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
depends how you feel about said girlfriend when she habitually disappears for several semesters at a time...
Who are these guys again?
by ZonaFlash on Jun 25, 2009 11:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
you had a HS girlfriend that you dated one of every three semesters?
did she know about this?
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Jun 26, 2009 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amare and Chandler and Earl clark are all young and athletic why get Biendris when hes just like Chandler
by Lebrontophx2010 on Jun 25, 2009 9:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Did we just draft Taylor Griffin?
What is it about drafting the awkward brother that Steve Kerr loves so much?!?!? 2 years in a row!!!
by ArizonaCactus on Jun 25, 2009 9:29 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey
at least none of them is Jarron Collins
True Blue Jazz
Bucco Ball
I'm on Twitter
RIP Nick Adenhart. 4/9/09
by UtesFan89 on Jun 25, 2009 10:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
little brothers
Anyone have any dish on Steve’s older brother?
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Jun 25, 2009 10:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taylor is the older brother
By a couple of years.
by ninjasocks on Jun 25, 2009 11:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn’t steve’s older brother a professional football (soccer) player in Vancouver? I say we send a 2nd round pick for him and maybe a conditional first rounder
by ArizonaCactus on Jun 25, 2009 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately…why didnt we get Patty Mills..
by Lebrontophx2010 on Jun 25, 2009 9:31 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Please god no.
I cant say that I hate this trade, because obviously Beans is a great player. Good low post Defender and rebound which is prime for us. I also cant say that I like it though. Amare is soooo key for us and to get rid of Shaq and Amare basically puts us in exactly the opposite situation we were this year absolutely NO post presence. Sounds like 2-3 years ago when STAT was playing center. No way guys. Not good. Even though we have drafted (so far) 2 forwards, these guys are both untested. How do we score without Amare? Even if we pick up Chandler (which I am not sure of) he is only good for 10-15 points on a good night. Rich? No…needs the ball too much. Leandro? Ok, but who else? Hill? Get real. Without Amare we have no big scoring threat. Bad idea.
Go read a book!
by N8lol on Jun 25, 2009 9:32 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Without Amare
the Suns put up big numbers offensively…but yeah this team isn’t winning but. That’s the not the point though.
Look at next summer and the free agent market. If you do end up with Beans you are set up front with him and Lopez. Young and cheap.
You’ve got depth at the PF and SF with Lou, Dudley, Clark and you definitely need some stars there but you’ve at least got young/cheap depth
In the back court…well you get my point
You got into 2010 with Beans ($9m), JRich ($14m expiring), Barbosa ($7m) and a bunch of sub $2m contracts. You have less then $45m there which is about $15m in cap space and maybe $25m under the lux tax. That’s when you rebuild.
This year would be a step to get you there and in the process you’ve landed some young role players that you can build on or trade as needed.
that said – I’ve never been opposed to keeping Amare this season and letting that just play out but you risk losing him for nothing if he decides to walk. There’s a good chance he’ll walk. So why not get two or three good young players even if they aren’t stars?
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by Seth Pollack on Jun 25, 2009 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
I can buy that. My thing, however, revolves around the fact that Nash, who supposedly orchastrated the O’Neal thing is now, for the next year, handed a team that can do basically nothing. This team will not make the playoffs and Nash will, yet again, be another year older. He can’t possibly be happy about trading Amare without some great stuff in return.
Look I get the whole thing that Amare might walk after next year but would he? IF he plays well then we do well and go the playoffs and he is likely happy and stays. If he plays poorly who wants to sign him for a max (like I am sure he will want)? To me, this smacks of an explosion and I know Steve cant be happy about that. Is that the point of catching Curry? To get a PG in case Nash leaves? Its kind of ridiculous really. Ok so they aren’t through, fine. I eagerly await their next decisions but if the Beidrins Azebuike things goes through I am a taking it as a sign that the Suns are going to start over. Sad day in AZ.
Go read a book!
by N8lol on Jun 25, 2009 9:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
with barnes and jrich in the mix, we’re now the
Goldenix Surriors!!
Whats up doc?
by RottPhiler on Jun 25, 2009 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
true dat
If Amare goes, so does Nash.
That’s why they need Curry, I guess? Does anyone want to see that?
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Jun 25, 2009 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Nash to the Celtics.
Exercise his team option for this year, then:
Nash + Leandro + Tucker to Celtics for Rondo + Ray Allen.
Suns get a proven, if not completely developed point guard, and one year of Ray Allen, if he doesn’t take a buyout. Re-signing Rondo can be done for less than a maximum contract.
Celtics get a good if old point guard who wants a shot to win a title, with only a 1 year option, and a good 2 guard.
"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".
by Pliny the Elder on Jun 25, 2009 10:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd hate to give up Leandro in that deal
Oddly enough, I like it if we can find some other filler, though. Maybe two of the Warriors that are coming over?
Is it getting that bad between Rondo and the Celtics?
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Jun 25, 2009 10:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
They seem like they want to trade him.
I think it’s insane of them, because I think Rondo is that good, but it would benefit the Suns to have a good battle tested point guard to run the team.
But you can’t make the salaries work without Leandro.
"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".
by Pliny the Elder on Jun 25, 2009 10:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure?
What if Amare goes and Nash follows? Add Azabukie to someone and are they close enough?
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Jun 25, 2009 10:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes I'm sure
Rondo + Allen = $22.25M , Nash + Leandro = $19.75M, of which Leandro makes $6.5M.
Adding Tucker’s $1M contract means the deal ends up costing the Suns about $1.25M, which still keeps them under the wire. Azubulke makes $3.1M this year, and moving him would be better for the Suns, but I’m not certain we could trade him to the C’s immediately.
In my mind, though, if we’re going to rebuild and take the hit for this year, we need to collect the pieces regardless of whether Amare is going to be here or not.
There’s value to be had, imho, for intelligent and team oriented, if somewhat “difficult” players like Rondo, and it’s possible to build a contender cheaply that way. Like the Isaiah Thomas Pistons.
"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".
by Pliny the Elder on Jun 25, 2009 11:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
we would want to sell Allen after this deal
This is no longer a team for old, expensive men.
Who are these guys again?
by ZonaFlash on Jun 25, 2009 11:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offer him a buyout for his one year.
"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".
by Pliny the Elder on Jun 25, 2009 11:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Phoenix Suns: "Where the stars are bought out"
Who are these guys again?
by ZonaFlash on Jun 25, 2009 11:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw, props to UASun who had this idea first..
"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".
by Pliny the Elder on Jun 25, 2009 11:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I posted what I think was a better version of it
below
by UASun on Jun 26, 2009 12:11 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If all these trades go work out and the suns do not make playoffs.
I ask this, what is different from last year to this year then?
by Gorilla Game on Jun 25, 2009 11:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because then we're losing in the context of a rebuild
which means that we should start winning soon after, as opposed to losing but looking forward to more misery.
"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".
by Pliny the Elder on Jun 25, 2009 11:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shaq’s $20m expiring was a chance to rebuild.
If we held onto that till the Feb trade deadline, teams would be lining up to clear space for the 2010 free agency. Kerr pulled the trigger too early.
If we had Shaq’s $20m coming off the books, and possibly Amare’s $17m off the books too, that’s $37m in free agents. And that doesn’t count Nash probably scaling back his contract or going free agent too.
That’s a pretty good rebuild if you ask me. There was no reason to blow it up so early.
by Chucko667 on Jun 26, 2009 12:03 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not a rebuild..
that’s just a big wad of cash burning a hole in Sarver’s pocket, which we’d only end up spending on overpriced mediocre talent. Because there’s no guarantee we’d actually get any of the good free agents to come here.
"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".
by Pliny the Elder on Jun 26, 2009 12:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
scoring without Amare?
Shaq was here. He provided scoring and passing and monster picks. That guy did okay for the Suns.
How are they going to score without a post scorer? In the “Season Without Amare” we at least had Kurt Thomas and Boris Diaw.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Jun 25, 2009 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah that's a big problem
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jun 25, 2009 11:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thomas and Diaw
Are offensively better than Biedrins and Wallace
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Jun 26, 2009 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
the 05-06 season was still a very very tough one.
Who are these guys again?
by ZonaFlash on Jun 25, 2009 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I'm saying
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Jun 26, 2009 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention a ticket to the John Wall sweepstakes.
by Dungeness Crab Dribble on Jun 25, 2009 10:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya we could get john wall but we would need our pick back from OKC who has our first round pick, so we better not suck too bad or else we will gift wrap OKC another top 10 pick. If we dont get that pick back and we suck next year im jumping on the OKC bandwagon. 1 through 4 they are solid with westbrook harden green and KD
No day but today
by RyanMarcus on Jun 26, 2009 1:20 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
we put up big numbers
but we still had SOMEONE who could play in the post
This team would be a mess after this trade:
Centers
Andris Biedrins
Robin Lopez
Ben Wallace or Tyson Chandler (if the Suns can swing a trade with New Orleans)
Forwards
Grant Hill (pending Hill re-signing with team)
Brandan Wright
Jared Dudley
Lou Amundson
Earl Clark
Taylor Griffin
Guards
Steve Nash
Jason Richardson
Leandro Barbosa
Stephen Curry
Goran Dragic
Marco Bellinelli
http://phoenix.fanster.com/suns/2009/06/25/what-the-suns-may-look-like-in-2009-2010/
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jun 25, 2009 11:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
J-Rich's contract
comes up after the 2010 free agent bonanza
by UASun on Jun 25, 2009 9:49 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
so who’s gonna wanna play in phx without amare and Nash..think about it hey Dwade/Lebron or whoever..we got cap to get you but our front office has no loyalties to the players that made us exciting..anyway come play for us wee have Robin Lopez Earl clark and J-Rich to be our Ccore with you..yea right amare and nash puts buts in seats
by Lebrontophx2010 on Jun 25, 2009 9:52 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
9:12 p.m.: The Suns traded their 57th pick to Cleveland for cash considerations.
you knew it had to happen eventually
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jun 25, 2009 10:16 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
we need Wright in that GS trade too
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jun 25, 2009 10:24 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Just do the Chandler trade and leave it at that
by Batmanthesunsfan on Jun 25, 2009 10:31 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
doesn't that make a ton sense?
If that doesn’t go through, the Suns are still treading water. If Amare leaves, someone is going to step on Kerr’s head.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Jun 25, 2009 10:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amare goes, then Nash, then Hill
Bing Bing Bing!
Who are these guys again?
by ZonaFlash on Jun 25, 2009 10:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
So?
The trade goes through on July 1, Nash demands a sign-and-trade, Hill follows Shaq to Cleveland, and then … Kerr leaves on July 2 completing the covert mission that Pop sent him on 5 years ago?
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Jun 25, 2009 10:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm saying keep amare and get chandler
by Batmanthesunsfan on Jun 25, 2009 10:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m so confused as a Suns fan right now. I just wish i had some optimism that the front office has a plan.
by ArizonaCactus on Jun 25, 2009 10:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT?!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jun 25, 2009 11:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully
by Nov 1st the Suns will have a team.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jun 25, 2009 10:58 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Always check on what the other side thinks
Here’s what they’re saying at Golden State of Mind:
I sincerely doubt the Suns are foolish enough to send Amare to the Dubs if the best player they’re getting back is the severely offensively and defensively limited Andris Biedrins.
Obviously, I agree. WTF?
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Jun 25, 2009 11:00 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
OH SNAP
RicBucher@sportsguy33 phx source says curry was picked for him, but gs source denies it, so we stayed away from it. i believe the gs source is lying.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jun 25, 2009 11:19 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
does that mean curry will be a sun on the 1st?
or are the warriors denying the whole deal?
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Jun 25, 2009 11:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
KEEP AMAR'E
There is no reason to get rid of Amar’e. The player we should be focused on moving is Jason Richardson. All he does is suck up Leandro’s minutes and miss game changing-dunk while driving 30 over the speed limit with his daughter in the car. He is a bum. Amar’e is the best offensive big man in the game. J Rich can easily be replaced for way cheaper. You can’t say the same about Amar’e. The reason we are getting tons of offers is because people are praying we make the error of trading away THE FUTURE.
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by ifiredterryporter.com on Jun 25, 2009 11:32 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you follow the Suns. Didn’t you notice how the difference in last year’s season was Amare’’’’ giving up on the Suns and not playing anything near his potential because he didn’t feel like it, because it was too hard? I’d rather eat nails than have that be the future of the Suns.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Jun 26, 2009 6:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
False
Amar’e wasn’t giving up on the floor. In fact, in the face of Shaq’s lazy ass pretending like it’s impossible to step into the lane without remaining there for 3 seconds, Amar’e was sitting idly by and watching his touches die. There are no SUNS who gave it there all last year. Stop defending certain players and cherry picking arguments against others. Just look at Shaq’s fat ass and the effect he had on our defense and our scoring. The Big Cactus , made everyone around him look worse. Not better.
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by ifiredterryporter.com on Jun 28, 2009 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curry
Whether the Suns actually get him or not, I’m curious as to what his pro potential truly is. The two most recent examples were Bickley comparing him to Reggie Miller, while Stan thinks Ben Gordon. Which seems more accurate?
by J Trull on Jun 25, 2009 11:47 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
probably stan.
bickley is a bum. i’ll listen if coro offers a comparison.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jun 26, 2009 12:34 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we trade Amare for Golden State
And Don’t get Curry, I will be pissed. It could be salvaged, possibly, by following it up with -
1. Nash, Azubuike, Dragic and Tucker to the Celtics for Rondo and Allen.
This way we move Nash to a contender, like he deserves. We get our PG of the future (I want Rondo over Curry anyway, actually, and if we get Curry in the Amare trade, I would totally be on board for swapping him with Rondo). And we don’t have to give up Barbosa. The Celtics do it additionally because Azubuike is a good player.
2. STILL TRADING WALLACE FOR CHANDLER
I know everyone is saying that Biedrins and Chandler can’t play on the same team – why??
Biedrins is 6 10 I think? Chandler is NOT as offensively limited as everyone says – He is as good around the rim as Amare was his first year or two. He doesn’t have post moves, but neither does Amare. He doesn’t have the 15 footer, but he can finish just as well.
You would have, in my opinion, the BEST defensive frontcourt in the NBA. You play this lineup then:
PG: Nash/Rondo/Curry/Dragic (Two out of these 4, hopefully)
SG: Barbosa/Bellineli
SF: Richardson/Hill/Clark
PF:Biedrins/Wright
C: Chandler/Lopez
If we pull these trades off, we can finally keep J-RIch! He has proven time and time again he can be a go-to scorer, and he would finally be getting the touches. With this lineup, actually, we might have the highest scoring 1-2-3 out of anyone besides Denver. Barbosa, Bellineli, and Richardson can pick up the load!
Who was the post-scorer on Jordan’s Bulls? Rodman? Longley?
by UASun on Jun 26, 2009 12:08 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
My version of the trade was really a Leandro for Rondo swap
using Nash, Tucker & Allen to sweeten the deal for both sides.
"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".
by Pliny the Elder on Jun 26, 2009 12:24 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
that has to be a joke, that team would be such a mess
No day but today
by RyanMarcus on Jun 26, 2009 1:24 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're wrong about that..
that team would be as good, Chris Paul excepted, as the Hornets, and deeper which means a 6,7,8 seed playoff team in the west. And it becomes decent defensively, except at the 5 (although UASun missed Lou on his list), where we need some speed.
More importantly, it becomes considerably younger.
Still, it’s not a true contender, so we’d need to move/trade for a couple of pieces.
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by Pliny the Elder on Jun 26, 2009 1:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I know everyone is saying that Biedrins and Chandler can’t play on the same team – why??
Biedrins is 6 10 I think? Chandler is NOT as offensively limited as everyone says
Chandler has more offensive game than Biedrins. By that same token, I’d probably put Fropez ahead of Biedrins, too.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Jun 26, 2009 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, on Step Curry
The Ben Gordon comparison is unfair. Gordon can shoot. And that’s it. Curry has Gordon’s range, but he’s a fiesty defender (not great, but he tries, unlike Gordon) and he straight up ran that Davidson team as a point guard. I see him much more as a poor man’s Isiah Thomas, or a smoother Billups.
by UASun on Jun 26, 2009 12:12 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd play Rondo & Curry as a small 1/2
kind of like Nash & Van Exel on the Dallas WCF team.
Keep Leandro as the 6th man to provide the instant offense and more size, and Goran to run the 2nd team’s offense.
I’d like 2 more players (since Nash would be gone), a 2/3/4 swingman and a 5/4 swing (actually that would be Lou Amundson).
I would just point out that it doesn’t matter if Chandler is limited, provided he and his point can reliably execute on the things he can do.
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by Pliny the Elder on Jun 26, 2009 12:21 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
don’t forget Jared Dudley. I think he’s gonna be a very good backup 3/4 swingman
by ArizonaCactus on Jun 26, 2009 9:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kinda already had Dudley in my mind.
since he takes Hill’s slot, who is gone if this team is unable to contend.
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by Pliny the Elder on Jun 26, 2009 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
kenny smith thinks it's done...
TheJetOnTNTLooks like Amare in GSTATE!
44 minutes ago from web
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jun 26, 2009 12:36 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
If amare for biedrins and curry plus others push thru,...
were down to biedrins/ amundson/ lopez as frontline scorers… not very pretty but i still would do it. But here’s a trade scenario from way out of left field: with amare gone is it possible to do a 3-way JRich to Clippers (they need a shooter w/ Griffin; Suns get rid of big contract duplicating Barbosa talent).
Camby goes to Jazz. Boozer sign and trade to Suns. Jazz still have Millsap and at least get something for Boozer n Camby can backup both Millsap and whos? their turkish center damn i forgot! Boozer gets to be the big gun in Suns. Maybe throw in a couple of young guys (Tucker/ Dudley/ Lopez) to Jazz to sweeten there losing Boozer.
i dunno if above is possible cap-wise r even basketball-wise: can Boozer be a good fit on a run n gun Suns team? i know its a kinda crazy idea but i believe we need to get a good frontline scorer alongside Biedrins – Ben Wallace or Chandler wont do.
by toto_l2003 on Jun 26, 2009 1:34 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Clark will be the second front line scorer.
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by Pliny the Elder on Jun 26, 2009 2:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My head is spinning
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Jun 26, 2009 6:33 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
bad drafting
In a draft teeming whit point guards, they DIDN’T take one? I knew they’d do something dumb.
by Bostwik on Jun 26, 2009 7:43 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
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