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Amar'e to Golden State trumped by Kerr

Editor's Note: I am going to co-opt this well-written post which leads into exactly what I need to cover this morning. I'll add my thoughts and additional information at the end.

By now most everyone has heard the rumors involving Phoenix Suns F Amar'e Stoudemire going to the Golden State Warriors in return for C Andris Biedrins, F Brandan Wright and/or SG Marco Belinelli, the tipping point on either side is the seventh pick in the draft, Davidson PG Stephen Curry. He of course will make or break the deal, in part because the Warriors did not necessarily expect him to be on the board and would have been much more willing to deal if this had been Arizona F Jordan Hill, and after seeing the potential of Curry they may want to hold on to him.

While the general consensus is that this deal will be made with Curry headed to the desert both general managers have denied this deal even being in consideration that in fact Steve Kerr went so far as to call the rumor "totally false," and Larry Riley said he drafted Curry with no intentions to trade him.

That, however, does not mean this is not still in the works. It was reported by a local newspaper that the Suns draft room cheered in excitement when Curry was taken off the board which may be considered a sign coinciding with the fact that trade talks began before the draft and even before the Amar'e to Houston rumors surfaced.

There is not a single NBA analyst who has not already said that Steve Kerr has single-handedly removed an entire era of NBA changing basketball in the Seven Seconds or Less Suns and should he not push this deal many may wonder if he has any sense at all.

Considering the potential of Curry and Wright paired with the substantially lesser contract of Andris Biedrins in comparison to Stoudemire's hefty contract  this deal may be the next step into the rebuilding process that Kerr himself initiated, it would be questionable if he decided to not go forward into the future with new talent and rather rebuild around the maximum contract of Stoudemire.

Everyone from Chad Ford and Chris Mannix to local sports writers Paul Coro and Dan Bickley have said they believe this deal will be done, most pointing out that if this deal was not discussed then it would have made much more sense for the Warriors to have drafted a "true" point guard instead of a player similar to Monta Ellis, or even a much needed PF in Jordan Hill, all talks at this point are unkowns.  What is known is that because of Biedrins base year compensation the deal won't be completed until at least Wednesday if indeed this deal is actually in the works and unless the Suns are willing to add another marquee player this may be the best option going into the future.

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Thoughts from Stan

I understand that this a very complicated deal with a LOT of moving parts. Amare's health status needs to be verified. The Warriors for good reason what to know that Amare isn't going to bolt at the end of next year which leads to extension discussions with him and puts power in Amare's hands. The Warriors are reportedly getting cold feet about letting Curry go. There are four other players involved who all need to be evaluated and haggled over.

These are all things we've been talking about since February and reasons why it would be difficult to trade Amare.

None of that though justifies Steve Kerr flat out lying to the fans. Again. During all star week he came on the radio on Thursday and flatly denied that Terry Porter's job was in jeopardy. At that point we all know it was and in fact three days later Porter was gone.

Now we have local media in Phoenix and Oakland along with the national media getting reports out of league exec's in New York all saying the same thing: A deal is not only one the table but all but done pending the July 1 start of the free agency period.

So why would Kerr tell the media in Phoenix last night that rumors of an Amare to the Warriors deal is "absolutely false".  Why Steve, can't you just give your standard non-answer of "we talk to people all the time". Why try and spin this in such an obviously false way? It just doesn't make sense and if anything if only hurts Kerr. We all know that the deal is being discussed. The players involved know it's being discussed. Why damage your credibility by denying it even if the deal ends up falling through? It boggles the mind.

As for other draft days news, here's a shocker. The Suns sold a pick, in this case the #57 pick Emir Preldzic. This reminds us of when the Suns sold the rights to 2nd round pick Marcin Gortat a few years back. At the time it seemed harmless enough but look how that turned out. Maybe Kerr figures he won't be around in a few years of Preldzic ends up being a player for the Cavs.

 

Oklahoma F Taylor Griffin was described by Suns VP of Basketball Operations as a "Louis Amundson-type" which is nice since we have Lou already. We'll see how that plays out.

I haven't looked at the numbers myself yet, but the Suns are saying their payroll going forward --not counting the Pavlovic expected buyout---is 3-to-4 million dollars over the tax shreshold.  Kerr said that was a "reasonable...manageable number".

 

 

Here's more audio from draft night. Audio provided by Sports 620 KTAR:

 

 

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Curry will not be included, just my opinion. Curry will be the deal breaker.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Jun 26, 2009 4:12 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

Kerr will lose another trade, by getting less in return. He should demand Curry, Randolph, and Beans for Amare, that only makes sense if you ask me.

by Aluminum Foyle on Jun 26, 2009 7:14 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you serious???

hey guys im a warriors fan anyways I would rather have Randolph by himself than Amare. In fact every one on the warriors blog is sayin the same thing as me

Bay Area Stand up!!!

by W$P Fo Life on Jun 26, 2009 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way

Warriors fan here and no way we give up Randolph terrible trade if he’s included.

by FIREROWELL on Jun 26, 2009 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting stuff....

but I am not “high” on this trade (I hate that phrase). I would rather keep amare and get chandler or some other center to fill in for Shaq. We gotta have someone to crash the boards and draw significant attention away from other scorers. Without Amare who do we have for scoring?? Beans cant do it. He is a rebounder and blocker which I admit we need badly. but without Amare, Nash walks, and we, essentially, have no team this year and subsequently no team that another great free agent will move to. Not a good combination.

Go read a book!

by N8lol on Jun 26, 2009 7:27 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I love the GS trade.

Unfortunately, the whole BYC thing with Biedrins gives Kerr another week to eff up the trade and not get it done. I am going to be so goddamn frustrated if this falls apart and we end up keeping Stoudemire. We’re SO close to finally moving on.

However, the trade better include either Curry or Randolph or I’d rather it not happen at all.

by jburning on Jun 26, 2009 7:45 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.

by SunDolphin on Jun 26, 2009 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

all of the political-speak is boring

I’d much rather hear the outrageous denial, amidst the raucous war room cheers. Comedy.

Who are these guys again?

by ZonaFlash on Jun 26, 2009 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think kerr is lying though...

He’s not shopping Amar’e because he’s not his to shop *wink wink

by Batmanthesunsfan on Jun 26, 2009 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have to dump Stat, even without Curry, though Kerr should do everything possible to get Curry included in this trade, even if it’s just Curry and Beans and no others, though financially I don’t think that works. If it comes down to Stat for Beans and three others excluding Curry, so be it. That’s better than watching Stat walk on us in a year. He’s been such an ass to us, we’ve got to get SOMETHING tangible for him.

Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.

by SunDolphin on Jun 26, 2009 9:56 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree ...

The Suns need some exciting talent in return. Curry or Randolph is that guy. I love Biedrins and what he brings to the table, but he’s not going to give the fanbase much optimism.

by jburning on Jun 26, 2009 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

One more year,

and we get nothing. Do you see a better alternative trade out there?

by egp the great on Jun 26, 2009 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather have nothing ...

Than be saddled only with contracts for so-so players. So if the deal isn’t what we want, then let him walk and use all that money in Free Agency.

by jburning on Jun 26, 2009 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has Amare really been that bad?

He’s an awful PR presence, but I don’t think he’s behaved outrageously bad, given the circumstances.

Who are these guys again?

by ZonaFlash on Jun 26, 2009 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Nellie is concerned that he won't play enough defense

 . . . cuz the Dubs are really concerned about defense.

by ninjasocks on Jun 26, 2009 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

=D

Who are these guys again?

by ZonaFlash on Jun 26, 2009 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not what he’s done, it’s what he hasn’t done. It’s what I have no reason to believe he will do.

Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.

by SunDolphin on Jun 26, 2009 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone knows what he hasn't done

The book is out, and everyone in the league knows his shortcomings.

21 and 9, strong finisher, good free throw shooter, and-1 machine, solid mid-range jumper, 55+% shooter, occassional weak side blocked shots, less occassional post defense.

That’s a very good player in this league.

max-contract worthy? I don’t know that I go there. However, there is a reason why one team may be willing to give up four players for him. All I’m saying … look how much we wanted D’Antoni back afer a few months with Porter.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Jun 26, 2009 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The biggest thing ...

Is he’s an “exciting” player, and that’s really what the Warriors need, I think. The closest thing they have to that now that Davis is gone, is probably Monta Ellis, and he’s not really doing it.

by jburning on Jun 26, 2009 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

We want winning basketball, not just exciting basketball. I would also say that we are much more excited about Randolph than Monta.

by warriOs on Jun 26, 2009 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can only only hope that

The Suns mgmt have already talked in detail with Amare about destinations he’s willing to go to and sign an extension with.

And that GSW mgmt aren’t a bunch of cowards.

Who are these guys again?

by ZonaFlash on Jun 26, 2009 10:12 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

IMHO

Not only do I think trading Amare is the wrong move, but I think its especially stupid to do before the season starts. Shaq is gone, Porter is gone. Let Amare and Nash get some floor time together again to bring back their unstoppable PnR.

I just dont see how we’re even close to being a decent contending team with what would be the roster after this GS trade goes down. We actually look more like we’re trying to tank the coming season before it starts so we can do something in 2010.

This trade pisses me off. Why would you trade Amare and not trade JRich and/or Barnes?

If we get rid of Amare, that means, besides Nash and LB, nobody on that team has been there for longer than 2 seasons. What kind of team is that? Nobody knows each other or the system. I just think this deal will hurt a lot more than it’ll help. We’ll miss the playoffs again and GS wont.

by KnowGood on Jun 26, 2009 11:11 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

The Question Is ...

Would even team led by Nash and Stoudemire make any real noise in the playoffs? They’d likely MAKE the playoffs, sure. But they still would get beaten down by the Lakers, Trailblazers, Nuggets, Spurs (now with Jefferson), Rockets, etc.

So, pay a lot of money to get bounced in the first round … or pay not so much money to start over so you can really compete in a couple years?

by jburning on Jun 26, 2009 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we’re likely NOT to make the playoffs. Getting rid of Shaq was not addition by subtraction. At least I don’t think it was.

Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.

by SunDolphin on Jun 26, 2009 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That PnR is no longer unstoppable. I remember watching games and thinking that defense has caught up to it. maybe it’s cuz nash has lost a little step, Amare wasn’t as explosive, but I seem to remember thinking what happened to the unstoppable PnR—because it seems like everyone is stopping it now at a much higher rate…

by ArizonaCactus on Jun 26, 2009 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody knows each other

Actually they’d know each other fairly well being that JRich, Barnes, Drago… er, i mean Andris were key cogs to the 06-07 Warriors team.

by homer simpson on Jun 27, 2009 12:19 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question on Amare

Warriors fan here, just wondering how much do guys think Amare’s offensive numbers are a direct result to playing with Nash? I mean if he has a Marion type drop off on a new time I’m totally against this trade.

by FIREROWELL on Jun 26, 2009 11:40 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Personally, in my opinion, I don’t think any one can know. He may go to Golden State, have no one better than him to show him up, and become the best basketball player in the league that isn’t named Bryant or James. He may actually hit his potential.

Or he may go to Golden State and continue to be the same player he was here, a GOOD player, but highly overrated and highly dependant on his own emotions to play well. He won’t rebound for you, he won’t play defense for you, he won’t fight for you. He’ll score points for you if he feels like it. This has nothing to do with how good Nash made him. Stat has the potential to be a great player in his own right, the question is will he?

The difference between Marion and Stat, and the reason why I don’t think Stat will be any worse in Golden State than he is with the Suns is that Stat can create, Marion can’t. Marion needs to be fed the ball but Stat, if, again, he is feeling good and isn’t playing the child’s role, can go to the basket on anyone, around anyone, over anyone. Offensivly, don’t worry about him, just get on your knees and make him happy at all costs. Like I said though, don’t expect him to do anything else a guy his size should do naturally.

Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.

by SunDolphin on Jun 26, 2009 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the info

Very informative I don’t thing our team needs another scorer who is allergic to defense but I do think a trade is gonna be worked out whether we all like it our not.

by FIREROWELL on Jun 26, 2009 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Frankly, Amare rarely has a chance to have the ball with Nash always overdribbling.

In some ways, Amare’s numbers are in spite of Nash, at least offensively.

But of course, like a lot of players, Amare likes to get his ball in a few spots, like face-up at the elbow where his a knockout shooter or one dribble to the bucket “And-1”.

The part you should be worrying about is at the other end… and the spooky propensity for season-ending injury.

Who are these guys again?

by ZonaFlash on Jun 26, 2009 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh puleeeze

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Jun 26, 2009 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

BWright

BTW if you guys get Wright in the deal your getting a steal, this guy has all the tools to be a very effective player he just doesn’t get the PT under madman Nelson. Not too mention his length is in incredible and he is still only 21.

by FIREROWELL on Jun 26, 2009 12:08 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Good for both sides.

I’m neutral and I try to remain as such so when I say this trade is ggod for both teams I have no interest invested. Look the Warriors lost Davis they now need a viable identifiable star who fits into their system Stoudemire fits perfect. On the other hand If they keep Curry the risk him not getting much playing time with the guard spot being taken up by Ellis who is quite similar to Curry. The Suns get a bright future who can contend somewhat like the Blazers except to a lesser extent. This also gives Curry one year under the wing of future HOFer Steve Nash.

by ere9517 on Jun 26, 2009 12:15 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Curry

I wouldnt make the deal without him as part of te deal. Heck we could get Brooks with the Rockets and Landry to go with Tmac as player later in the year then a salary dump if he doesnt work out. I like Brooks more he is the fastest player in the NBA. Of course If I could have Curry that would be fine.

by robbin on Jun 26, 2009 6:50 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.

by SunDolphin on Jun 27, 2009 6:22 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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