Daily snap poll: Is Curry the key?
by Phoenix Stan on Jun 27, 2009 7:38 AM MDT
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To quickly recap...
The Suns thought they had a deal in place with Golden State that would swap Amare for BiedRins (I can finally spell his name without having to look it up), the #7 pick and a few other nice young pieces (Belinelli and Wright).
Then Minnesota drafted two point guards and Stephen Curry was left on the board and the Warriors took him. The Suns cheered thinking they were getting their guy but the Warriors are backing out. It seems that they didn't except Curry to be available either and now they want to keep him despite not being a great fit with Monta Ellis.
That leaves a deal in principle based around Biedrins, Wright and Belinelli (pending Amare's approval of an extension and the doctor's approval of Amare).
The question is should the Suns do the deal without Curry or Anthony Randolph in the mix?
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You're an udiot
Professing you can now spell Biedrins, but forgetting the “r”. You are a genius.
Go Dubs. No Curry for Stat, and definately no Randolph.
by Dubs Dima on Jun 27, 2009 9:09 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Get a life man
However I agree that Randolph is probably out of the question, although I think both teams should do this if he or Curry is involved.
by egp the great on Jun 27, 2009 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're an udiot?
What’s an udiot?
by Funky Flapsack on Jun 27, 2009 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You spelt Idiot wront....idiot
by Batmanthesunsfan on Jun 27, 2009 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
you also spelled defin(capital letter i)tely wrong.
not definAtely. just while we’re talking grammar.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jun 30, 2009 2:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't.............
profess to know how to spell, unlike some who boast to “now know” the correct spelling and still butcher it.
How did AR get into this conversation?
Now seriously, it was a stretch for Biens, B-dub, and Bellinelli if you ask this W’s fan. We’d have to give up our most solid “big” for an injury prone, max-deal, primadona who will demand the ball, and bitch if he doesn’t get it, and can’t play “D” to save his life.
As Tim Kawakami of the San Jose MN said, "There is a reason a 21 PPG scorer who is 26 is on the market.
i do like Stat, but the Dubs do not need anotjher greedy scorer. They need Biens, and another player who can handle the boards, and that hasn’t been Stat…at least not historically.
by Dubs Dima on Jun 27, 2009 9:45 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
AR? Wow are we grasping at straws?
No way he is in the mix. He has more upside than Amare by himself. Ok on to the next. If I was teh GM of the Warriors I would be more interested in Bosh instead of a guy who has high high mileage, who does not rebound, play defense, or get physical down low. HMMM…… What i think happened is the warrirors came to their senses and realized they were buying damaged goods past its prime.
by Dungeness Crab Dribble on Jun 27, 2009 10:02 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That's fine
We’ll keep Amare, and bust your ass and end up with a better record than you like we do every year. Morons
by Funky Flapsack on Jun 27, 2009 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe they had no sense to begin with....kinda like you
It is highly doubtful you guys could muster up anything that would appeal to the Raptors. Ok so he brings defense and offense and the whole package to you. Then what? What do you guys give back? Players that will only give half back what Bosh gives them? Think about what we’re willing to take. Belinellli won’t get enough playing time to prosper. Brandon Wright is a talent completely wasted with you guys. Beidrins can’t give you that inside presence you guys desperately need. And between Steph Curry and Anthony Randolph, we would be doing them a favor and actually giving an opportunity to actually HAVE a career. Amar’e has established himself more in such a short time and which is more than any of your current roster can say. We’re you’re best option. So get over yourselves
by Batmanthesunsfan on Jun 27, 2009 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since you put it that way.......
You’re right, take them for their benefit. That makes me feel better
by Dubs Dima on Jun 27, 2009 7:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just said all that out of frustration
It’s ridiculous though that everyone can consider Amar’e “damaged goods” with “high high mileage”. Anyone remember last time he came back from an injury? Oh yeah he made 1st team All NBA. All these Warrior fans want Bosh instead of Amar’e but Bosh only has one more year also and quite frankly isn’t as self-centered as STAT so he won’t want the spotlight to himself as much and would probably rather have a legit side-kick or vice versa. You have to admit Amar’e would be motivated to play his best to prove you nay-sayers wrong and show he deserves to be the number one guy on a team.
As for the players coming to us supposedly, they haven’t had ample opportunity to prove themselves which is really unfortunate. Nelson is similar to D’antoni in the fact that he sticks with a strict rotation so you have to admit most of players the Suns get will have a better chance to show their worth with Gentry than they have with nelson.
by Batmanthesunsfan on Jun 27, 2009 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
theres little doubt in my mind
that if amare is in a nice up and down system that allows him to be “the man” he can easily put up 29 and 9 for a season. ( however needs to feel respected by the franchise and needs to have a chip on his shoulder)
If we give him to the warriors HE WILL REACH A HIGHER LEVEL then he ever has with the suns.
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Jun 27, 2009 8:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately, i have to disagree with you on one point.
nellie is the opposite of d’antoni. i think the warriors had at least something like what, 30 different starting lineups last year? i don’t know if i call that a “strict rotation”. haha.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jun 30, 2009 2:31 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there is a reason for bringing Randolph into the conversation
GS wants Curry to stay obviously so the Suns give them an ultimatum between Him and Randolph. It’s genius! We’re making them realize Curry is more expendable then Randolph. So I think Curry will definitely becoming to Phoenix when ( If?) this deal goes down. Now all we have to see is how badly does Golden State really want Amar’e
by Batmanthesunsfan on Jun 27, 2009 10:40 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You guys are funny
You talk all this shit about Amare’s D, but your system is run by Nelson, a coach who has never played D. I can’t wait till Amare puts up 40 on you guys, and posterizes Randolph
by Funky Flapsack on Jun 27, 2009 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want this deal to go away ..
Just so Suns sites/boards will cease to be bombarded by combative, idiotic Warriors fans and the Warriors sites/boards will cease to be bombarded by combative, idiotic Suns fans.
by jburning on Jun 27, 2009 10:58 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's combative.
Maybe calling someone an"udiot" is a compliment wherever this guy comes from.
Detras de ti, imbecil.
by Diosnomeama on Jun 27, 2009 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those two dubs fans up there are udiots
Oh wait, did i say something nice about them?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jun 27, 2009 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
Its the one time the Warriors are relevant and in the position of assumed "power’ and they are really running with it. Without a true low post scorer you guys will be going no where again. What is it 2 playoff births since 94? Well congratulations, you should just keep taking your team with guards and see how far that gets you.
The fact of the matter is we are obviously rebuilding, you guys just made steph curry your franchise player it seems like. I mean honestly how is this going work when you have Jackson, Monta, Maggette, Randolph and Curry who all are going to need there touches to be effective. Not even to mention the fact you have no PF and still more guards Belinelli, Kelenna, and Marrow?
But hey who am I to judge, the warriors have been such a great franchise these past years, of course they know what they are doing.
No day but today
by RyanMarcus on Jun 27, 2009 12:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Imagine......
how many more touches Stat will demand
by Dubs Dima on Jun 27, 2009 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
imagine...
how many touches you’d be taking away by sending over 4 players.
and amaré stoudemire, no matter how much you can try to fault his game, knows how to play. he’s shown that he’s an able passer. he can hit the 17 foot jumper like it’s automatic. he can hang and finish with the best of them. he has a decent feel for the game he gets paid millions of dollars to play, and if this trade goes through, he’d prove that to you again and again.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jun 30, 2009 2:34 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Jun 27, 2009 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot to add that they have Acie Law and Speedy Claxton? Get a grip
No day but today
by RyanMarcus on Jun 27, 2009 12:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Listen Dubs, We all know ignorance is bliss but in this case your dead wrong. I know the warriors want to be entertaining and fun, but its time to start winning at some point. The Spurs are boring as S*** but ill take 4 championships in the past ten years.
Im not trying to sit here and act like Amare is the cure to your pile of problems, but you know just as well as I do that nothing is changing from last year.
Ellis
Curry
Acie Law
Speedy
Belinelli
Maggette
Jackson
Kelenna
Marrow
makes so much sense.
No day but today
by RyanMarcus on Jun 27, 2009 2:08 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
+1 to you again, cause I’d rather be boring as mold and win than be oh so much fun to the band wagon jumpers of the world and lose. I, not being a band wagon jumper, realized that the run and gun was a bunch of bull shit before a lot of others did, and probably a lot of people out there still think it can work. And that goes to what you said above, also. Put a small lineup on the court and you’ll run the score up which IS fun to watch if you have no vested interest in the outcome of the game. If Golden State wants to WIN they’ll dump Curry the moment they can for Stat and get on with the rest of their preseason.
Spurs suck!
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Jun 27, 2009 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1.
though, if we can find some sort of hybrid mix between the run and gun and slow down, halfcourt set offense, we’ll be in the money. it seems alvin is committed to making it work, and it seems that kerr is committed to getting the players here to make that system work. earl clark? perfect example.
he fits the mold of shawn marion, if he can live up to his potential, and even has the potential to be better than that, in my opinion. can play pretty damn impressive defense on 4 positions, can play some offense (thank goodness his shot looks better than marion’s), and is long and athletic. i like the kid, and i like the pick.
i think the run and gun system can work, so long as it’s not just run and fun. so long as it’s both sides of the court that we’re “gunning” on.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jun 30, 2009 2:38 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Difference in the teams is that the Suns are a team of the past and
the Warriors the team of the future. Rather have my best years ahead. Oh this just in….. most fans on GSoM would rather let you keep your overated PF. We have better options to pursue.
by Dungeness Crab Dribble on Jun 27, 2009 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, thank you for coming on to our blog
and being so polite and helpful. Come back again soon
by egp the great on Jun 27, 2009 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
So you think you can have more success with what we failed at, with a smaller lineup than we had, without the hall of famer Nash, with even less defense than we had? When I tell all of my fellow Suns fans that this shit doesn’t work, I don’t just mean for us, I mean for any team in the league that tries it. Maybe it’ll work if you have Kobe/James/Wade/Garnett and Nash. Maybe.
Or you’ll just put up 140 points a night and give up 150. Anyone can score if you let them, and the difference between them and you (when one plays fast) is that you sacrifice defense to do so, meaning that while you have to TRY to score, the other team doesn’t. Then when you face a team like the Spurs and have to play their style because they have better, more veteran players than you do, you won’t know what to do.
Good luck with that.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Jun 28, 2009 8:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe now the W's can take the place of the suns...
and start hating the spurs for knocking them out of the playoffs every year. because with the RJ addition to the spurs, they’re relevant again. and if the warriors fans are thinking you’re going to magically transform into this superteam with the addition of curry, you’re bound to be in for a surprise. even the people that are high on curry still know that he’s got a lot of aspects of his game that he has to work on, which will likely take more time than you’re thinking.
sorry to say this, but not really, but the warriors are starting to sound a lot like the clippers. make a playoff appearance one year, then disappear completely for the next few years. then they’ll draft someone they think will pan out, get excited, talk “potential this” and “upside that”, and then said player, just because of the environment, won’t progress to the potential they once had.
firstly, don nelson needs to not be the coach of the warriors. sure, he’s one of the most winning coaches in history. but he needs to understand that his never set in stone rotations don’t do the team good. sure, tweaking is fine, but as many starting lineups as he used last year? that’s just ridiculous.
secondly, rookies need a chance to develop. i know the warriors tried to do this last year when they gave their bigger names nights off, but really…when you’re already one of the worst teams in the league, more minutes in an ultimately meaningless game isn’t going to motivate your young’un to play harder.
and last, but not least, there needs to be confidence injected into the squad. as currently constructed, you have stephen jacksonand corey maggette, who largely need the ball to be effective. when you’ve got a slew of young guns on the bench, are these the guys you want teaching your players how they should play the game? sure, they might put up the stats you might want, but is this the direction you want your franchise going? the suns had the same problem for awhile. we’d sell draft picks to try and create some sort of band-aid fix to try and keep our window of opportunity open. we’ve realized that that’s not the best route. we’ve tried getting high character players (players that keep themselves composed and have a team oriented mindset) and drafting players that we feel can thrive, if given the right environment to progress in.
while don nelson is in town and everyone else in warriorland are all about trying to score buckets and pretend they care about defense, your team will not reach the potential it may have. that’s all there is to it.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jun 30, 2009 2:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The warriors are like the Lions of the NBA
Lets just keep drafting WR’s and maybe it will work out
Lets just get drafting guards and maybe it will work out
sounds all too familiar
No day but today
by RyanMarcus on Jun 27, 2009 2:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
That’s just dirty.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Jun 27, 2009 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bucher
@dahking Phx does it w/out Curry if Randolph were in. Who blinks? Do Suns bail bec Nelly double-xed them? Ws aren’t in playoffs w/out Amare
about 3 hours ago from web in reply to dahking
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jun 27, 2009 2:29 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't understand a word of that
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Jun 27, 2009 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basically saying that Nelson lied to us; told us that Beans+filler+7 was the deal, then realized Curry was there and reneged on his agreement. Does Kerr walk away b/c of Nelly’s “betrayal” or does he stick firm to his offer, which is “we give you Amare ONLY if Curry or Randolph comes back to us”? Warriors need Amare b/c they have no chance at playoffs w/o him. Pressure’s on both sides in a high-stakes game of poker
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jun 27, 2009 5:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Kerr should stick to his guns
But only for Curry. I don’t want Randolph.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Jun 28, 2009 8:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
source part deux
There definitely was an agreement. A commitment was made with certain conditions. A list of picks for the Suns was provided.
The Suns were double-crossed to some extent but the framework of the trade still looks like it will go down when pushed.
Either they (GSW) honor their word and Curry comes…. or as a consolation we get Randolph. Or we don’t do the deal and walk away and Golden State gets their reputation dragged through the mud. GM’s lie to the press and players. That’s one thing. It’s like part of the job description. Lying to other franchises and going back on a deal is another thing completely.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jun 27, 2009 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree, after reading that article you posted, you would have to expect some foul play on the Warriors Side. Probably from Don Nelson, Which finally gives me some closure on what acctually went down.
Here is what I got from the situation. I deal was made, not binding obviously but this is what happened. The warriors agreed to the deal of Amare for Biendris, Wright, Belinelli, and the 7th pick. Then we gave them our list of players we would like at 7 Topped this list was Curry, Jordan Hill, and Tyreke Evans( I know we liked him but he was gone at that point.) The Warriors agreed, even though they probably liked Curry too but probably though he was going to be gone at 7. They we all set to draft Jordan Hill because who cares they would be getting Amare in return.
Then it happened, Twolves went Rubio at 5, and i think 90% of gms fans and followers thought they would go Steph Curry at 6, but they went Johnny Flynn. That’s why the Suns war room went bonkers because they thought they had a deal and they were getting Curry at 7.
Then Kerr must have gotten a call, about them keeping Curry. The deal with Curry was off because if you saw Kerr’s interview with Stu Scott shortly after we got Clark, it looked like someone punched Kerr in the face and stole his lunch money. In all reality that is exactly what happened. Warriors backed on the deal to include Curry.
No day but today
by RyanMarcus on Jun 27, 2009 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds good to me
I’ll take either Curry or Golden State getting punched in the gut. Both are acceptable.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Jun 28, 2009 8:31 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good read:
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jun 27, 2009 2:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Dubs beat writer(same dude who wrote the article above) twitter
@IvanVio Hate to be sketchy, but I don’t know. Up to Nelson and Kerr, and who blinks, also Amare’s $$ desires.Guess: 40% shot.
about 22 hours ago from web in reply to IvanVio
This Curry/no-Curry stalemate might go into Summer League… or longer. Possible next deadline: W’s let Curry play in SL or hold him out?
about 23 hours ago from web
Did a bit with a Phoenix radio station little while ago. Yep, Suns followers are worried Kerr gets mauled by Nellie on this one.
about 21 hours ago from web
@big_moneyMVP67 Without Curry in the deal, I’d say a 30% shot or less of Amare coming to Warriors. Hard for Kerr to lose face like that.
about 4 hours ago from web in reply to big_moneyMVP67
@JZaler If they don’t get Amare now, they’ll still keep chasing him until Feb, I’m sure, and at same time try to get Bosh. Want 1 of ’em.
about 4 hours ago from web in reply to JZaler
@DaveSilva58 very hard to put together a deal that includes Biedrins + Ellis. That’s 100m in salary. it’s either/or, and AB more valued.
about 4 hours ago from web in reply to DaveSilva58
@dahking W’s can’t trade 2010 pick because it might have to go to NJ (Marcus Williams deal). Suns would do it if Randolph’s in deal.
about 4 hours ago from web in reply to dahking
@dahking Warriors aren’t giving up Randolph. If I’m Phx, trade must include AR or Curry. W’s can wait it out and refuse to give up either.
about 4 hours ago from web in reply to dahking
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jun 27, 2009 2:42 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Seems like the Warriors aren’t gonna give up Curry or Randolph. Do the Suns do the trade just for Beidrins, Wright and Bellinelli?
by Calamity on Jun 27, 2009 8:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
we shouldnt even be trying to bargan with the warriors after their shady move...
let the warriors have their classless moment. It only serves as a warning to all other team about what you are getting yourself into if you try and work with the warriors FO….
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Jun 27, 2009 8:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say we do it because of what they did
Threaten them with being the embarrassment of the league. No way any deals with the warriors goes down anytime soon if word gets out they took back their word. So GS….prove that you have honest and classy men in your Front Office
by Batmanthesunsfan on Jun 27, 2009 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they really are/were dishonest, they probably wont accept
In other news, when attempting to look on the brighter side of things: got this from a fairly intelligent sounding guy on GSOM: Courtesy of ForestGrump
Beans game will explode in AZ, he will work so well with Nash on the pick and roll it’ll will be scary to watch, AB has good hands and great footwork, he will dominate the boards for them this year:
He’s only 22 and will only get better, because he has a great attitude and wants to be a winner: very talented for a big man: he will fill the void that Amare leaves almost by himself with the help of Nash: management knows this already: If we trade for Nash I would keep the team we have: let Nash make everyone better especially AB.
Secondly, BW will mature this year as a low post scorer, his biggest drawback is he’s too weak still, he needs to get in the weight room and put on 20 lbs like AR did: this could happen over the summer, and then they have a PF that was the 8th pick 2 years ago that’s coming into his prime, great attitude, tones of talent, and will only get better and better: I honestly don’t know what his ceiling is, because in order for him to reach full potential he needs to put on 20 to 30 pounds and then he may be something special;
Marco’s potential has not even begun to be taped into yet, I don’t know what Rod’s talking about on KMBR? This kid has massive potential, the problem with him is he can’t flourish under Nelson, he need’s that prototypical point guard to steady his game and show him his place on the count: Nash is the key to this trade for the Suns:
He will bring the best out of these guys, they will be transformed under his leadership:
What I would be willing to do is trade Monta straight up for Nash hands down right now at 35, we need him for 2 or 3 years to form this team, let Stephen learn the point under the master: Beams will turn into a different player, everyone will find their place on the court
Now, I am not saying I would do this, but it would probably not be as bad as many think, definitely not the end of the world if Kerr shows us his backbone (or lack thereof again) Anyway, interesting post, thought I would throw it out there – different point of view.
The vibe I am getting is that Golden State has a better view of their players, same with the Suns – that adds up to roughly one player difference in the trade proposals or conditions, ranging from Azubuike to Curry. Really, I think it is who is able to hold out the longest. In this regard GS has the advantage as they have by far the nicest package we have seen, and can most likely hold that over our collective head for longer than we can hold Amar’e over theirs. Hence, I am not holding my breath for anything, or more importantly anything spectacular. If I was Kerr, I would give them this – We want the original deal, 7th pick, AB, and BW, or whatever it was. The only other deal possible would be AB as well as Randolph. If you want to deal, those are the conditions, (and we will actually stick to them if we come to any kind of ‘agreement’.
by egp the great on Jun 27, 2009 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Errrr..... Quote was supposed to go like this....
Beans game will explode in AZ, he will work so well with Nash on the pick and roll it’ll will be scary to watch, AB has good hands and great footwork, he will dominate the boards for them this year:
He’s only 22 and will only get better, because he has a great attitude and wants to be a winner: very talented for a big man: he will fill the void that Amare leaves almost by himself with the help of Nash: management knows this already: If we trade for Nash I would keep the team we have: let Nash make everyone better especially AB.
Secondly, BW will mature this year as a low post scorer, his biggest drawback is he’s too weak still, he needs to get in the weight room and put on 20 lbs like AR did: this could happen over the summer, and then they have a PF that was the 8th pick 2 years ago that’s coming into his prime, great attitude, tones of talent, and will only get better and better: I honestly don’t know what his ceiling is, because in order for him to reach full potential he needs to put on 20 to 30 pounds and then he may be something special;
Marco’s potential has not even begun to be taped into yet, I don’t know what Rod’s talking about on KMBR? This kid has massive potential, the problem with him is he can’t flourish under Nelson, he need’s that prototypical point guard to steady his game and show him his place on the count: Nash is the key to this trade for the Suns: He will bring the best out of these guys, they will be transformed under his leadership:What I would be willing to do is trade Monta straight up for Nash hands down right now at 35, we need him for 2 or 3 years to form this team, let Stephen learn the point under the master: Beams will turn into a different player, everyone will find their place on the court,
by egp the great on Jun 27, 2009 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
I do think folks in general around here under value Biedrins as part of the deal. I think he has a lot of up side and is a key component BUT he’s no star. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
I am for this deal w/ Curry or Randolph but without…I am not so sure.
It is really hard for us to say without knowing what Amare is thinking. I believe he wants to play here w/ Gentry and Nash for one more season and who knows how that turns out and I am not opposed to taking the risk of having him walk at the end of next season. Even if it gets to that point there’s a decent chance we could still do a sign and trade so that the team that wants him gets him. We would get less then we would now but at least it would be something. See Rashard Lewis leaving Seattle.
But I do like Beins a lot and would be very happy to have him
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by Phoenix Stan on Jun 28, 2009 7:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many centers are stars? Good centers are so hard to find, and by good I mean consistent big men. Just think, the Lakers have three big guys and the only one really worth anything right now is Gosol, and he’s a power forward. So to get our hands on a center with potential would be really huge for us, and something to build around, even if he’s not a super star.
I don’t think the deal would be fair for us without Curry, or at least randolph, but we’d be getting something. I want two things really: Not to have Amare here next year and to get SOMETHING for him, anything, so he just doesn’t walk away and leave us with only salary space. But we do have to make the right move, not just any move. I wouldn’t trade him for scraps.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Jun 28, 2009 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
if this deal goes through and we get the “good” package(Curry, Beans, Wright, Beli) then we have a bright future imo.
Ordered by age:
PG: Goran(23), Curry(21)
SG: Barbosa(26), Beli(23)
SF: Tucker(25), Dudley(23), Clark(21)
PF: Amundson(26), Griffin(23), Wright(21)
C: Beans(23), Lopez(21)
Nash/Hill don’t count as “the future”, and i’d prefer not to see J-Rich on the roster
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jun 27, 2009 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Wright is a little low in the rotation
(behind Griffin?) I dont like tucker as a starter, or Dudley, Clark probably isn’t ready yet. If J-Rich leaves, I would say that we would have to get a decent SF somehow
by egp the great on Jun 27, 2009 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
just ordered them by age, not by importanc
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jun 27, 2009 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
importance
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jun 27, 2009 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did I not read that - brilliant I am not
Sorry
by egp the great on Jun 27, 2009 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wright is an integral part of the deal
He has a ton of potential, if he could get of the bench, into the weight room and work out some kinks
by egp the great on Jun 27, 2009 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tim Kawakami is the National Inquirer of the Bay Area.
He is the laugh stock of ther bay and his track reocrd of being right pretty bad. If you like reading about alien babies landing on earth then you will like Tim Kawakami!
by Dungeness Crab Dribble on Jun 27, 2009 4:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
huh? that seemed random.....
GO Maggette!
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Jun 27, 2009 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're the second golden state fan to completely discount him
so i’m inclined to believe you
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jun 27, 2009 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Double Crossed
I Agree, after reading that article you posted, you would have to expect some foul play on the Warriors Side. Probably from Don Nelson, Which finally gives me some closure on what actually went down.
Here is what I got from the situation. A deal was made, not binding obviously but this is what happened. The warriors agreed to the deal of Amare for Biendris, Wright, Belinelli, and the 7th pick. Then we gave them our list of players we would like at 7 Topped this list was Curry, Jordan Hill, and Tyreke Evans( I know we liked him but he was gone at that point.) The Warriors agreed, even though they probably liked Curry too but probably thought he was going to be gone at 7. They we all set to draft Jordan Hill because who cares they would be getting Amare in return.
Then it happened, Twolves went Rubio at 5, and i think 90% of gms fans and followers thought they would go Steph Curry at 6, but they went Johnny Flynn. That’s why the Suns war room went bonkers because they thought they had a deal and they were getting Curry at 7.
Then Kerr must have gotten a call, about them keeping Curry. The deal with Curry was off because if you saw Kerr’s interview with Stu Scott shortly after we got Clark, it looked like someone punched Kerr in the face and stole his lunch money. In all reality that is exactly what happened. Warriors backed on the deal to include Curry.
No day but today
by RyanMarcus on Jun 27, 2009 5:32 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Time to Move On
It’s time to move on, I think. With either Curry or Randolph I think the trade would be fine for all parties. Without either Randolph or Curry, the deal should be off. No formal agreement had been made, from what I understand, and Golden State has the right to rescind. I think it’s shady but that’s business. It should offer them a ton of bad karma, and with a team consisting of Corey Maggette and Monta Ellis and SJax, anything negative is possible…
But for us, we should move on. Focus on getting Chandler. Focus on getting another set of prospects/players for Amare. Focus on improving our team however we can. Golden State offered us one option but there has to be more out there…
by ArizonaCactus on Jun 27, 2009 5:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i want...
tyrus thomas, kirk hinrich, and a first rounder in next year’s draft.
but sadly, i think that deal is too good to actually go down.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jun 30, 2009 2:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coro's blog
Not dead yet
The trade talk between the Suns and Warriors did not die with Thursday’s draft fallout.
More insiders have backed up the assertion that Phoenix thought it had a done deal going into the Warriors’ No. 7 pick on Thursday night and believed it had Davidson point guard Stephen Curry once the pick came up. If the Suns did not think that Curry was Phoenix-bound, would they have taken UCLA point guard Jrue Holiday at No. 14 instead of Louisville forward Earl Clark?
We don’t know that answer. We just know the Suns did not think it was very likely that Holiday would drop to them at 14 (he went 17th to Philadelphia). If anything, it appeared that Holiday was rising as the draft neared. For the Suns, the call on Holiday was going to be weighing a short track record at UCLA against the potential star quality of a hard-working, defensively strong 6-foot-4 point guard who has the court vision and willingness to pass. But they really did like Clark all along and said weeks ahead of the draft that length and defense could be priorities with the pick.
In the end, the Suns really were closer to getting Arizona power forward Jordan Hill than Curry. If Golden State planned to keep Curry all along if he was available, the Suns never had a chance at him. Had Curry gone higher as expected, the deal could have get done with the Warriors taking Hill for the Suns.
The original agreement may have been broken but there are still many indications that a deal with Amare Stoudemire going to Golden State is possible.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jun 27, 2009 9:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Possible trade
Since it seems that the Warriors did indeed back out of an agreed deal, this seems to be one of the dirtier moves of FO dealing that I’ve seen in a long time. If the Warriors intended to keep Curry when he fell to them, then GS had an obligation to inform Phoenix of their intentions. By not doing so, Phoenix went ahead and planned the rest of the draft as if they had a PG coming in Curry. Maybe if GS had been upfront, Phoenix instead takes either Jrue Holiday in the 1st, or Patrick Mills in the 2nd. If this is all true about GS pulling out (and it seems like it is), then they not only screwed Phoenix, but also themselves for in the future they’ll find that not too many other organizations in the NBA are going to be willing to deal with a team that may not be forthright in discussions.
by J Trull on Jun 27, 2009 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
So true, I was furious we didn’t draft Patrick Mills. But if we thought we were getting Curry it makes sense.
Honestly this thing has been so shady it makes me sick. They had plenty of time to say they wanted to keep Curry once they drafted him and before our pick.
No day but today
by RyanMarcus on Jun 27, 2009 11:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a new team to hate
The worst thing it appears to have happened to us was not that GS drafted Curry, but that a team ahead of them didn’t. We could have ended up with Hill and Holiday and Beans and Wright, but now we may only have Clark and Amare
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Jun 28, 2009 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's so sad, too.
i used to like the warriors.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jun 30, 2009 3:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
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