Don't Trade Amare
by UASun on Jun 27, 2009 12:22 PM MDT
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If the Warriors send us Curry, Bellinelli, Wright and Biedrins, then I might reconsider. Anything less, and I cannot accept this as a sound basketball decision. This is for four reasons:
1. Necessity of a cornerstone - I agree he hasn't lived up to potential, hasn't improved defensively, etc, etc . . . but the very fact that we might get all those players back for Amare proves he's a franchise cornerstone. That's right, I said it! You can absolutely build a team around a guy who goes for 26 and 8 and 1. The nuggets made it to the WCF with Carmelo basically puttting up those numbers. And to everyone who complains about the defense - it's a valid point, but I never want to hear those same people pining for a SSOL team again. The point is to score teams off the floor. There is not a better PF in the game for that, period. Curry and (maybe) Randolph are the only two guys GS has that might prove to be a franchise cornerstone. If you're not getting that in return, you're setting yourself back not just for a few years, but indefinitely, until you find another franchise guy. The Bulls waited what, 10 years? No thanks
2. the BFD factor - basically, when it comes to Biedrins, Wright and/or Bellineli, my point is: BFD. You cannot build a team around Biedrins - he's at best the 4th best player on a championship team. I don't even like Lopez, but I see no reason he can't get there in two or three years. Same thing with Wright - we might of well just drafted Austin Daye. He has shown no signs of realizing his "potential", and while I like Bellineli (but can't spell his name), talk about massive overkill at the 2 position.
3. 2010 - Everyone is saying Amare might leave in '10; one, in no way is that a given. If you just look at the hesitency of teams trying to trade for him, there's no reason to believe 10 teams will be throwing max contracts at him. Second, if he walks, I would 100% honest to god rather have that 20 million to throw at Bosh or Wade than have half of it tied up in freakin Biedrins.
4. TRADE FOR CHANDLER - Chandler is every bit the player Biedrins is. No, not as young. But everyone here has commented how ironic it is we are trading Amare for Biedrins, when Biedrins is really good to us as someone to play next to Amare. Well screw that! Let's put someone next to Amare! If it doesn't work, I'm 100% sure we can shop Chandler at the next draft, since he'll only have one year on the contract, Billy Bean style.
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I can dig it. I always like Chandler next to Amare, its a perfect fit.
No day but today
by RyanMarcus on Jun 27, 2009 12:36 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
buy out wallace and sign sheed? are the suns not championship contenders with sheed amare hill richardson nash and barbosa dudley barnes? amundson lopez clark off the bench? that seems like an amazing team, doesn’t it?
by Teske22 on Jun 27, 2009 1:03 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mention Dudley and Barnes in the same sentence as "championship"
Dudes are thoroughly mediocre.
Also, I’d have a hard time believing that a squad as old and injury-prone as that (the starting 5 at least) would be able to make it intact to (let alone through) the playoffs.
by ninjasocks on Jun 27, 2009 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ball don't lie.
I love Sheed. I just question whether he’s really ready to go 84+ games without breaking down at some point. While the magical Suns training staff may be able to help revive and extend his career, I’m not sure he’ll be able to keep it up at a highly competitive level for very long.
by ninjasocks on Jun 27, 2009 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dudley could absolutly be a role player on a championship team....
also injury prone? Hill played 82 games, nash missed only 8 games and only 1 last year, amare eye was a freak accident ( twice over) and correct me if im wrong but hasn’t missed a game for his knees in 2 years. Dont know bout sheed tho….but suns medical staff would work wounders….
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Jun 27, 2009 9:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dudley and Barnes aren’t that bad. Dudley works hard on D and Barnes has a better than average offensive game.
It's just a game.
by jj24 on Jun 28, 2009 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rasheed Wallace doesn’t play defense well enough to cover Amare’s butt.
It's just a game.
by jj24 on Jun 28, 2009 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that's my point
With a big guy like Chandler or Sheed were back in the mix-maybe not the favorites, but we have a puncher’s chance. Better than pinning your future on Brandan Right
by UASun on Jun 27, 2009 1:19 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Ya i agree, Steph Curry must have a love curse, because everyone is obsessed with him. We all say no to Biendris,Wright and Marco, but you throw Curry in there and its pandemonium.
I think we are selling Amare short. Just get Chandler next to amare, a guy that doesnt need touches, can defend the pick and roll, protect the basket with his length, and block a few shots.
I dont fully know Amare’s Burn or Desire but watching the media gush over Kobe, Lebron, and Melo’s Improvement has to get him motivated if he thinks he is a top player in this league.
No day but today
by RyanMarcus on Jun 27, 2009 1:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
makes sense.
though, i’d say the media has been gushing more over wade than melo this year. melo’s team made it further in the playoffs, but everyone was going bananas over wade’s comeback year, etc.
and, as far as stephen curry goes…
i don’t think he’s going to be a star in this league. he’ll be a pretty good player, but i don’t think he’s going to be the franchise player that we should be getting in return for trading amaré. the media has overhyped the kid. don nelson has overhyped the kid. remember when the suns’ organization said that goran dragic was the number two PG in the draft behind derrick rose? yeah…no. i just think there’s too big of a deal being made on curry. he had insane numbers in college because he was the davidson team. can anyone that didn’t actually attend davidson name anyone else off that team, off hand? didn’t think so.
when the warriors picked stephen curry, i thought it was a little redundant. they have ellis, who is more of a proven player. sure, he has made his boneheaded moves in the past (ahem, moped), but he has also garnered the NBA’s most improved award. it seems like the warriors are giving up on ellis long before they should. they could have gone with jordan hill, since brandan wright hasn’t lived up to his potential (i like the austin daye comparison a lot) and they lack any real presence down there. randolph is starting to play well (i like the kid, a lot) and biedrins is a solid player, but for how long? and how can we know that don nelson won’t fall out of love with either of them?
to make a long, drawn out (rant of a) post short: there are so many question marks. i guess all we can do is wait and see, but i don’t want kerr to fall in love with curry so much that we make the deal for less than we should get back. and even more than that, i don’t want kerr to fall in love with the idea of trading amaré that the best deal we get back is something like biedrins, wright, and belinelli.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jun 27, 2009 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
GSW picked Curry because he was a talent they couldn’t pass up in their draft position. I do think it’s a little weird to play him alongside Ellis, and the amount of combo guards they are hoarding is crazy. But with the way Golden State plays, his shooting could compliment Monta’s slashing game nicely. I still think that doesn’t make them a playoff team though.
by runningdonut on Jun 27, 2009 7:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
not yet.
and, it seems like ellis is in nellie’s doghouse. the only reason he’s actually still logging pretty good minutes are because he’s too talented of a player to just sit on the bench. let’s take a look at marcus williams. he wound up on nellie’s bad side, and he only played in 9 games, none of which broke ten minutes.
i think the warriors will be looking to shop monta this summer. i doubt they’ll deal him, because they’ll probably want too much for him, but hey, stranger things have happened.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jun 28, 2009 6:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Ellis good enough
to be included in the Amare trade? Would that be acceptable? I don’t know anything about him.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Jun 29, 2009 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've always liked monta ellis.
he’s got a good (sometimes great) slasher game. i wouldn’t mind getting ellis back, but if we were to trade out amaré and get ellis back, you can count biedrins out of the deal. and, if we’re trading away our starting PF (now our starting C), you had better get back another big man….especially since days before these rumors arose, we traded away our starting C.
also, i don’t think we should do business with the W’s. just an off hand remark. we should try to find another suitor for amaré, after some time playing with the suns in a run and gun system, where he’s sure to boost his stats.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jun 29, 2009 6:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
nugs->WCFs was all billups, not melo
Who are these guys again?
by ZonaFlash on Jun 27, 2009 7:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
false....
it was more billups but definitely not ALL. melo was greatly needed.
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Jun 27, 2009 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billups provided leadership
But he clanked a helluva lot more FTs than he should have.
by ninjasocks on Jun 27, 2009 7:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
be that as it may...
the nuggets are still melo’s team. i’ll agree that most of the success the team had in the playoffs was because of billups’ leadership and playoff savvy, but melo did play very well (on most nights) and without melo, the nuggets wouldn’t have made it as far.
billups was the motor, and the whole nuggets team worked together to make it further than anyone expected them to.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jun 28, 2009 6:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow..Im speechless if i wrote a blog thats what i would have wrote…Bellinelli and Wright barely gets off the bench Azibuke isnt needed and Biedris is a non explosive Tyson Chandler…lets get Tyson trade J-Rich and lets ball…not to mention if amare does play like the amare pre-shaq he will be able to lure over free agents..i mean you watch the all star games and dunk contests and you seem him Lebron Bosh wade melo and chris paul having fun..he will be able to lure someone over..plus i think we can get Joe Johnson back in free agency..Nash Johnson Earl Clark Amare Chandler can compete
by Lebrontophx2010 on Jun 27, 2009 2:35 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think thats a good point about JJ, actually
I’ve heard a hundred different times how well he gets along with Nash and Amare, and how he likes Phoenix. I think his only beef is the front office, but Colangelo is gone, and Sarver admitted he was wrong to let JJ go.
It’s all speculation, but I would love it
by UASun on Jun 27, 2009 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buke plays D
And Biedrins is a pretty capable (if not flashy) center. Bellinelli isn’t much to talk about, but Brandon Wright could be a pretty effective, young big (PER of 18.7 last year).
by ninjasocks on Jun 27, 2009 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
disagree w/ points one and three
agree 100% w/ points 2 and 4
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jun 27, 2009 2:46 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Rumors on the GSoM board are
Ellis, Wright and some filler for Amare.
by Dungeness Crab Dribble on Jun 27, 2009 3:40 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That's kind a lot worse deal
Ellis ande Nash could play together, probably, but the perimeter defense would be horrible and Lopez might have to start at the 5.
by ninjasocks on Jun 27, 2009 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
that reeks of people wanting to wish Ellis’ bloated contract away. We might as well start a rumor of Maggette, Belinelli, Acie Law, Speedy Claxton and filler for Amare rumor. Dammit, Golden State has a ton of guards
by ArizonaCactus on Jun 27, 2009 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those aren't guards
The Dubs play them at the 4.
/small-ball joke
by ninjasocks on Jun 27, 2009 6:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
not only the perimeter defense,
but the perimeter offense as well. nash is solid, but last i checked, ellis couldn’t hit an open three if it begged him to.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jun 27, 2009 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He played in a pretty decent (offensively) backcourt with BD
BD shot the long ball and Monta drove the lane. The pair averaged about 20 points per game each and had PERs of ~19.
Nash could do the same thing (except that Nash would hit the 3 a helluva lot more often).
by ninjasocks on Jun 27, 2009 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll agree that it was a decent offensive back court.
i was just saying that monta can’t hit a three. unless we were to sign some sort of sharpshooter that can ball a little bit (a la raja bell in his prime), i wouldn’t suggest putting monta on the suns.
i love the kid, i think he’s got great game, and i actually think he’d fit really well on the suns (since we don’t have a slasher, which would help open up outside shots), but i don’t think he ends up on the suns, unless we can get a cheap, consistent, reliable outside shooter to go with him.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jun 28, 2009 7:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will stab myself in the eyes ...
If we get either Ellis or Magette.
by jburning on Jun 27, 2009 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amare is crazy if he wants to leave
Amare needs Steve Nash to remain a star. When Nash sits on the bench Amare does nothing. When Steve comes off the bench Amare becomes a star. He should be asking to stay unless he sees a legitimate contender wanting him.
I also do not agree with so many being anti-Steve Nash. When Amare went down Nash had to pick up the scoring slack. He was consistently scoring +20oints whne Amare stopped playing. He is however more effective as a playmaker and he make average player good.
The Suns just need to find a big defensive centre, possibly offload Richardson for someone of similar quality but better defensively and try to build up the confidence of Lopez as every team needs 2 solid centres.
I cannot understand any NBA player who has had some injury problems not wanting to come to the Suns to revive his career. Look at what the staff has done with Hill and Shaq. The training and medical staff is great.
by Terry100589 on Jun 27, 2009 5:47 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Amare needs Steve Nash to remain a star. When Nash sits on the bench Amare does nothing. When Steve comes off the bench Amare becomes a star. He should be asking to stay unless he sees a legitimate contender wanting him.
I tend to agree. If not Nash, then another true point guard. But let’s face it, Amare is all about the $$$$$ even if he says he’s out for a championship.
Listen, professional athelets are all virtually the same-they usually say the right thing to the media, but they’re thinking something totally different. The Suns aren’t going to extend Amare to the max, so if he doesn’t get dealt this Summer (which I highly doubt) he’ll get dealt at the trading deadline. Sure we’d love to have his talent around for the season, but even if he has some enormous offensive games, the same complaints will arise-his lack of desire to play D.
If Amare is a Sun to start the season, he certainly will not finish the season with the Suns, so we all better get used to the idea. Make no mistake, this team is in full blowup mode. I highly doubt we start the year with Amare, but I said the same about Marion, and we went half a season with him. So it is possible that we do not trade STAT this off season if the right deal doesn’t present itself. But it’s not beneficial for the team to have a distracted star. And Amare will be distracted unless he gets his $$$$$$ or some promise that he will get his money from the Suns.
The Suns are not a contender in the West, even with Amare (barring some amazing deals that won’t happen.) Kerr and Co. want to start anew and every indication is that Sarver is dedicated to Kerr and building a new team from the bottom up. That said, we all need to let go and expect things to get worse before they get better.
How ’bout that Earl Clark?!!!
by RD74 on Jun 27, 2009 6:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Amare is not...
a defensive ace ala mourning or mutombo; and not a rebounder like rodman. thats OK as long as he can put in 26-8 (with most efficient FG%) that makes him at par with todays Lebron, Wade and Kobe. What pulls him down is that he’s not good at defense and rebounding – its becoz he’s not WILLING to defend and rebound! Sorry but how many times have we seen Amare drag his feet looking like a disinterested spectator on the defensive end? every game! Except of course for the 1-2 spectacular blocks that he’s compelled to show and its back to zombie-like defense.
But still i agree that without Curry and/or Randolph – GSW trade is a losing proposition for Suns. I would rather package Amare with someone (dudley/ amundson – clark maybe?) in return for say a resigned Chris Bosh or Carlos Boozer (doubtful if he can play in Suns system though). Or anybody with enuf star power we build around who at least tries hard to play (as in offense and defense-in the same game)
by toto_l2003 on Jun 27, 2009 7:07 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
we need that cornerstone. whether its amare or curry. without it the team will be bad and booooring.
by yanyanman2 on Jun 27, 2009 7:07 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
There’s a big difference between cornerstone Amare and cornerstone Curry. About 15 million or so dollars.
That’s the idea of a blow up, clear out the oler players making or demanding too much money and bring in young, cheap talent to build for the future.
What’s the difference between Bosh and Stoudemire? Look at the numbers, they are comparable to one another, even the dslaries are close. Bosh is set to make about 16 mil this year and 17 next year.
My point-don’t expect the Suns to trade Amare for another Amare-that is a veteran making big money with flaws in their game. The allure of the GS package is that all the players are young, affordable and give us a solid return for a potential “cornertsone/star” player.
by RD74 on Jun 27, 2009 7:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's what i suggest to all fans who have turned on Amare
Go to Youtube and type his name in. And then just click on one of those watch all links. Now observe how unstoppable he is. You really wanna give that up?
Everyone who says we have no chance of winning the title with STAT, remember that we twice came close with him. 2004/2005 and 2006/2007. That 2006/2007 season was probably our best. Amare couldn’t be stopped. We had the 15 and 17 game winning streak. Yes, i know the irony in that if he hadn’t left the bech, we probably would of won the title. But he left the bench to stand up for his captain. If we have him back healthy, and he’s playing for a contract, and we get a complimentary center for help D, I don’t see how we can’t get back to the top.
by Funky Flapsack on Jun 27, 2009 9:11 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude, youtube can make anybody look like the GOAT
Heck, there’s even a Kwame Brown highlight reel consisting solely of him beasting Amare on the other end.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jun 27, 2009 9:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
im starting to agree...
I was really liking our bench done the stretch and if we could get chandler I wouldnt be surprised if we were up there with the wests top 4.
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Jun 27, 2009 9:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would LOVE to keep amare this season and add chandler to the lineup
That’s been my hope all along…but the reality is Stoudemire is bolting in a year unless we give him a max extension that he definitely does NOT deserve imo.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jun 27, 2009 9:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope the Suns would not do this GSW deal without Curry. Essentially that is Amare for Biedrins, because Wright at this point is Earl Clark – there isn’t enough room for both.
If Steve Kerr wanted a low draft pick he could have gotten one, which is what I don’t understand. Shaq was given away for nothing where he could have been used to move up. It seems Amare doesn’t have a long term future in PHX and Kerr has wasted opportunities to get value for him. At this point I think the Suns should let him expire in 2010, when if he and Nash were to go they would be sitting with an insane amount of cap space and freedom to go whatever direction they choose. I think it would be a mistake to bring in Chandler, who has 2 years of huge contract left and highly questionable health issues. I am also not sold on Biedrins at his contract of $9 million per for 5 more years. This team with Nash, Amare, a resigned G Hill and whatever pieces a traded J-Rich can bring could potentially make the playoffs and still be in a position to rebuild however they like in the next one or two years with all the flexibility they would have.
by runningdonut on Jun 28, 2009 12:06 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
More Likely
Sarver lets Amare and Nash go and then runs out a team with $35M in salary. Think of the money he can save!!!!
by BrewDude on Jun 28, 2009 12:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
UASun scores!
I have to say I am surprised at this cogent analysis from a UA guy. (no offense meant). But you are right on. First of all, why trade him just to get some junk? Second, he is still one of the best offensive players in the league. To trade a guiy like that, you need to get a like talent back. Third, if he doesn’t work out, let him walk.
The paradigm has changed. It used to be you’d do anything not to lose a FA for nothing. Now it’s all about the contracts. I think teams need to let decent contracts expire. The one the Suns should dump is Richardson.
Good contracts, let expire or re-sign. Bad contracts – dump. Don’t dump good contracts. Shaq’s contract was on the borderline. It was deemed bad because it was $20 mil, and I don’t have a problem with that. But the Suns make the Shaq trade a bad trade if they also get rid of their other frontcourt scorer.
Don’t do it.
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by Hawk42 on Jun 28, 2009 12:19 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The Suns have the option of being Stockton/Malone Jazz 2.0 or small ball Warriors 2.0
Great Points UA Sun.
What good is Beeds w.o. Amare?
Chandler for Wallace would be a much nicer fit.
With Shaq gone the only one who doesn’t fit is JRich.
While I’d chose the Jazz model over the Warriors, it rests on the belief that Nash can age like Stockton and that Amare will stay healthy. The odds of that happening are still better than going deep with a Warriors-like team. So we can consistently make the playoffs and be competitive, or we can be the alpha bottom feeder fighting for a berth. Looking to the future, I place my bet on the best pick-and-roll duo since Stockton and Malone.
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by Permapaulur on Jun 28, 2009 12:25 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Idk if someone already said this
But if we trade for Chandler then we most likely wont be able to extend a max offer to Amare or any other of these players.
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by Elway4Prez on Jun 28, 2009 1:05 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
i don't know
if the suns are even going to offer a max contract to amaré or any of “these other players” (which i assume to mean nash? i didn’t quite get that one).
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jun 28, 2009 7:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
couldnt we........we dont have much commited in salary next season
even with chandler we still get rid of nashs, and big bens contract i think we would still have more then enough. Especially if we find a taker for J-rich
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Jun 28, 2009 1:22 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Rockets
I like the Landry and Brooks trade if they dropped Barbosa from that trade. Then we get Tmac Landry, and Brooks and could even package another deal to get another big like Chandler with all these guys we have. That deal has the most possibilities to even make another deal afterwards.
by robbin on Jun 28, 2009 2:04 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
TMac makes a boat load of money. How is trading Amare for McGrady, Brooks, and Landry going to save the Suns money? Also, the Suns have no scoring at the 4 and 5 then, and Chandler isn’t going to fix that.
It's just a game.
by jj24 on Jun 28, 2009 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im over Tmac for sure, Have him play a healthy season first
No day but today
by RyanMarcus on Jun 28, 2009 2:06 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Amar'e will opt out at the end of this season
When that happens, what do we have? I know you’re saying we can make a run at other 2010 guys but what do we have to offer besides money? Look at New Jersey in 2010. Bosh can decide to play with Devin Harris, Brook Lopez, Courtney Lee, and another max contract 2010 dude, or Jared Dudley and Lou Amundson.
If we’re still in this situation near the start of the season Amar’e should be moved.
by hcblankscreen on Jun 28, 2009 2:25 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Amare will only opt out if he can get more money somewhere else..
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by Pliny the Elder on Jun 28, 2009 3:38 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
not necessarily..
In Phoenix he has Bird rights, which means that we can pay him above & beyond the salary cap.
If he were a free agent, that’s not the case.
"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".
by Pliny the Elder on Jun 28, 2009 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
but we won't pay him that.
and there are other people out there who would like to have him on their team, and might actually give him the money if other teams are interested as well, but can’t afford to offer him more.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jun 28, 2009 7:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
all I'm saying is we might pay him a number
that is less than the maximum, but more than other teams are willing to pay, and we’ll be able to do that because we can go over the cap to extend his contract, whereas other teams will have to make cap space to sign him.
Personally, I don’t think that Amare is the kind of player teams will go out of their way to sign. But I could be wrong about that, and if another team wants to offer him a maximum contract, and has the cap space to do it, then good luck to them.
But, at least one other team, the Golden State Warriors, doesn’t think Amare is the kind of player to build around, either. And they’re desperate to be relevant again.
"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".
by Pliny the Elder on Jun 28, 2009 7:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
By definition.....
The trade makes no sense without getting a player that you wouldnt have been able to get without Amare in a trade.
by dCoye on Jun 28, 2009 9:11 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Kerr makes no sense. If they’re rebuilding, why are they interested in extending Nash? If you’re extending Nash, you’re basically taking one last shot, so why trade Amare?
Trying to get Chandler would be the 1st obvious route. New Orleans is definitely trying to get under the tax. I’d check to see if a Pavlovic (non-guaranteed), Robin Lopez, Dragic, (plus Tucker or Amundson (non-guaranteed) would do the trick.
I’d also check to see if JRich for Kirilenko works for the Jazz since they need money for Millsap and to avoid the tax line.This would save them $3 million & they could move Brewer over to the SF spot. If they need to save more money, Pavlovic’s non-guaranteed contract can be used for whichever contract they want to rid themselves of. CJ Miles, Korver or Harpring’s.
As long as 1 of these trades is possible, you could use Ben Wallace to acquire the other player.
Nash, AK47, Amare, Chandler. If they kill the regular season & get home court advantage, the Lakers & Spurs (at 2 & 3) would probably battle it out in the semifinals and you would only have to face one of them in the conference finals (provided you got past Denver (the likely 4th seed).
I’d also advocate going after Ariza with the mid-level to hurt the Lakers and signing CJ Watson (RFA) for the minimum to back up Nash.
by homer simpson on Jun 28, 2009 11:14 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
so basically...
you’d look for a trade to give away almost all of our young (semi) talent for an aging veteran with bad ankles and hope that we somehow win the west and don’t have to face any adversity until the conference finals? what then? we lose to one of those teams and it wasn’t worth it? i say no to all of the trades you suggested.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jun 28, 2009 7:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everybody here is really underestimating the Warriors’ players. Biedrins, while he isn’t flashy, WAS the second best rebounding center in the NBA last year. Azubuike is as good as (if not better) than Leandro Barbosa, as he scored just as much and grabbed twice as many rebounds per game. Brandan Wright hasn’t gotten the playing time to prove his skill, but he has plenty of potential, which he’s shown occasionally with double-digit rebound games. Belinelli is mediocre, but he’s shown the ability to score plenty of times. And you guys want Curry, too?! You gotta be crazy; you guys can keep Amare
by DownByTheBay on Jun 29, 2009 1:56 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
azubuike doesn't even compare to barbosa.
barbosa has a focus (nearly) every time he steps on the court. can’t say that for kelenna.
i’d rather keep amaré than keep listening to you warriors fans consistently say potential this, upside that. amaré is still a great player, and even though he may have his drawbacks, i still think trading away a proven star to a team (in the same division, no less) for a few players with decent upside would be an absolute shame.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jun 29, 2009 6:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
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