Shaq and Amare trade rumors updated

by Seth Pollack on Jun 29, 2009 3:09 PM MDT in Suns News Comment 49 comments

Shaq is trade so why are we still talking about him? Because he's unleashed the first of what promises to be many more "tell all" interviews. The first is his revelation to SI.com's Ian Thomsen that Kerr approached Shaq about being traded to the Trailblazers at the deadline in February. Shaq, according to Thomsen nixed the deal.

The Blazers for their part deny having interest in Shaq (and for good reason) but now we have secondary confirmation from Paul Coro. It seems odd that Portland would have considered this but at the time Blazer's Edge made the for the deal.

On the Amare front, we now hear from his agent Charles Grantham that he's not talked to any team about an extension. He seems to be looking for the Suns to make a move:

"Either he's in or out," Grantham said Sunday while in Phoenix "You're going to have to really make a commitment to him that he's part of your program going forward and that you're going to work around him. Those decisions seemingly are still up in the air. They are going to have to be made at some point. You'll have to talk about either committing to him or trading him"

Sports 620 KTAR has interviews with two knowledgeable sources on both topic. First Ian Thomsen himself talking about what Shaq told him and then San Jose Mercury New's Tim Kawakami talking about things with Golden State. Both are interesting interviews, have a listen.

While we are on the topic be sure to check out this post over at Golden State of Mind...

Southwest Flight #SBN: OAK 2 PHX
Golden State of Mind is close to inciting a full on blog war with us by implying that Phoenix is chock full of retired people! Just b/c it's true doesn't mean they should point it out...

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Ouch.

We need to fight back! GSOM just threw the first punch and it took us off guard…:-D

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Jun 29, 2009 3:25 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Haha thats good stuff from them =D

A few draft picks and they’re pretty excited. Take years to develop them.

Anyway, I decided the only way to get value for Amare is that we have to play him. There’s no reason for an extension and no reason to trade him until he reproves himself. Otherwise, we won’t get close to fair value.

Who are these guys again?

by ZonaFlash on Jun 29, 2009 3:26 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

agreed.

finally a sane comment about amaré.

i’d actually deal him if we could somehow swing tyrus thomas, kirk hinrich and a 2010 first rounder from chicago.

by iamtrevorpaxton on Jun 29, 2009 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

But the thing is

If he played well, we’d be stupid to trade him

Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.

by SunDolphin on Jun 29, 2009 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

we trade him because he's in his prime

and we are starting over. He’s had an unfortunate series of events here, injuries, overshadowed by great players, needs a fresh start. We need money, draft picks and young talent…

Who are these guys again?

by ZonaFlash on Jun 29, 2009 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Like i said before and I will say it again. GS thinks they are important, its honestly laughable. At this point I don’t want to trade Amare, get me Tyson Chandler and lets play ball. Trade Jrich we don’t need his scoring anymore. And lets kill Golden state this year, then when Amare drops 40 on them, because they have no one to guard him.

No day but today

by RyanMarcus on Jun 29, 2009 3:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

GS is the Oakland Raiders of the NBA

Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.

by SunDolphin on Jun 29, 2009 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

1975?

Hey, who’s counting though, right?

Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.

by SunDolphin on Jun 29, 2009 7:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

couldnt agree more with RyanMarcus

If we’re trying to shed payroll its gotta start with J-Rich…the whole point of getting flexibility is to get a star player we got a top 3 power forward in the game now..when healthy hes better than Dirk and Tim Duncan is a center only person I have better is KG…lets get Chandler develop a 6’10 small forward in clark an lets ball..also add another deadly 3pt shooter around nash..a james jones or raja bell and we’ll be good

by Lebrontophx2010 on Jun 29, 2009 8:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

At least Shaq didn’ throw anyone under the bus in that interview with Thomsen…yet.

by Willman on Jun 29, 2009 3:55 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Yet is right. Just wait, the guy can’t keep his mouth shut very long .

by Rebounder on Jun 29, 2009 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I first read retired as retarded.
Retired I can live with.
still struggling with the idea that some of them have no problem about going back on their word, if it was given

by overthere on Jun 29, 2009 3:56 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I think is the moment to offer Amare an extension of 5-6 years of approximately 15 m. $ that I think is his value. If he loves the Suns then he will accept the offer. If this offer is rejected then is the moment to try a deal.

Keeping Amare, the next would be get Chandler and continue with the last season roster. And in case Sarver wants to spend money go for any free agent.

by matrix7 on Jun 29, 2009 4:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

If you try to sign Amare, and Amare rejects the offer, then you have just shown the league your hand, and nobody will offer anything of value for Amare, knowing that you are not prepared to extend him an offer.

Phoenix isn’t going to get a Max level player’s value in a trade unless they are prepared to sign Amare to a max level contract.
Other teams must know that our best alternative to a negotiated agreement is to sign Amare to max level, only then will they offer enough pieces to warrant trading Amare.

by Chucko667 on Jun 29, 2009 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

What better to route for?

1) A young up and coming team with ZERO financila problems.

2) A old team that is being blown up due to a horrible balance sheet and no money?

by Dungeness Crab Dribble on Jun 29, 2009 4:38 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Or....

1. “Retired” people who win 45-60 games a year

2. Young-ins without a winning record

by Batmanthesunsfan on Jun 29, 2009 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Or....

1. A team with a large fan base, and constant media attention due to their stars.

2. A team who is constantly trying to get attention in a league who frequently forgets they exist.

by Chucko667 on Jun 29, 2009 5:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's also a good one

by Batmanthesunsfan on Jun 29, 2009 5:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I feel your pain!

by Crab Ddribble Cocktail on Jun 29, 2009 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

What makes me laugh about that retired people comment...

is that those “retired” people have happened to out play those youngsters over in GS. Just saying.

by Batmanthesunsfan on Jun 29, 2009 4:45 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

you can laugh all you want, but the Suns arent going anywhere without a major trade. Have your fun while it lasts but you cannot honestly tell me you would much rather have a core of Nash, Hill, and Stat over Curry, Ellis, and Randolph right now.

by tandy on Jun 29, 2009 5:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can actually

I’ll admit we won’t have the brightest future but I think we can have some decent success in the now

by Batmanthesunsfan on Jun 29, 2009 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

29 wins is not “decent success in the now”.

by Chucko667 on Jun 29, 2009 5:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

You think the suns will only get 29 wins?

by Batmanthesunsfan on Jun 29, 2009 5:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

whoops

I didn’t realise who posted that, i thought it was a GSW fan saying “we’re going to have success now”.
ha ha, my bad.
(29 wins is what GSW had last season)

by Chucko667 on Jun 29, 2009 5:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha it's all good

I figured that was it cause I knew the warriors only had 29 wins. Pretty disappointing considering all the “potential”

by Batmanthesunsfan on Jun 29, 2009 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I might want that lineup in 3 years...

but i guarantee our roster has a better record this year the way it stands now

by Funky Flapsack on Jun 29, 2009 7:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

No but I’d rather have a healthy core of Tyson Chandler Amare Stoudemire Leandro Barbosa and Earl Clark though..an who says that Ellis is happy with curry there now

by Lebrontophx2010 on Jun 29, 2009 8:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Its War with gs warriors right now. At least we have learned the hard way that it takes a special make up of players to consistently compete in the league which is more than we can say for GSW who just wants to stack the squad with guards and be entertaining. And ill go as far to say this, as long as Nelson is your coach, you are not winning a championship, and you can quote me on that. So you hold on your future and guards and we will see how many championships that will account for.

And don’t get me wrong in know the Suns haven’t won a Ship either, but i also cant stand “bloggers” from other teams trying to bash the suns on what we are trying to do. I honestly think the trade we were trying to accomplish would help both teams tremendously.

No day but today

by RyanMarcus on Jun 29, 2009 10:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sigh

Once again, Amare and his cronies go on about what he wants, without a word on what he’s going to do to improve and earn this extra money he’s slobbering over.

Detras de ti, imbecil.

by Diosnomeama on Jun 29, 2009 6:03 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh wait.

Amare just wants to be hugged and held. Tell you what Amare, if you start grabbing rebounds and rotating on defense, I’ll give you a damn hug.

Detras de ti, imbecil.

by Diosnomeama on Jun 29, 2009 6:06 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I'll give him a kiss if he does that

Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.

by SunDolphin on Jun 29, 2009 7:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Suns will be missed.....

sunsrunJun-29 @ 6:27 PM Delete | Reply00
I moved to the Phoenix area from the midwest in August of 2004. So my first season of being a Suns fan was the 62-20 season in 2004-5. I have to admit that I don’t share many or the readers’ frustrations regarding the lack of a championship because it was such a blast to watch the Suns rack up the "W"s. I remember Joe Johnson’s awful eye injury, and him leaving after the season. He led the formerly hapless Hawks to the playoffs this year.

2005-6 resulted in a 54-28 record. A little drop off from the previous year. Probably missed Joe Johnson.

2006-7 produced a 61-21 record. Nine players returned from the previous season – good stabilty, better record.

In 2007-8, we fell to 55-27. Kurt Thomas was missing from the previous season. Shaq came over for Marion in February. We were 37-16 , if I remember correctly, when the trade was made. 18-11 after Shaq arrived. 70% wins versus 62% wins.

2008-9 produced a 46-36 record & no playoffs. BIG DROPOFF. Boris and Raja were traded for JR. Amare got hurt.

Mistakes from the past: not re-signing Joe Johnson in 05, letting Kurt Thomas go in 07, trading Marion for Shaq in 08, and trading Raja and Diaw for JRich in 09.

Kurt Thomas was the key to a championship – defended Duncan as well as anybody in the league. With him and the rest of the guys I mentioned above, we would have had a great year and a deep run in the playoffs.

My two constants since moving here were the heat and enjoying the Suns. Heat is still here, but watching the Suns has been much less enjoyable sincee the novelty of Shaq wore off. (Also Cardinals play-off run this year). With Sarver and Kerr blowing up the team over the last couple of years, the Suns I’ve known are dead. They will be missed.

by SunsRun on Jun 29, 2009 7:42 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

2005-2006

We also went without Amare… although we went one game deeper in the playoffs..

by bangbang240 on Jun 30, 2009 12:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dont see what the big deal is Amare’s contract is 17.1 next yr and a max contract is 20 why is this that big of a deal..thats a roster spot instead of 15 lets have 14 not all people play anyway

by Lebrontophx2010 on Jun 29, 2009 8:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

20 mill is a lot of money for a guy who only helps you on one side of the court

by rsavaj on Jun 29, 2009 8:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

“helps you out” is hardly how anybody should refer to Amare’s powerhouse offensive skill set.

He is one of, if not THE best finisher in the game.
He may be a little lackluster on the defensive end, but he more than makes up for it under the basket.

by Chucko667 on Jun 29, 2009 8:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'd actually probably call lebron the best finisher.

just sayin’.

by iamtrevorpaxton on Jun 30, 2009 2:17 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

i agree that amare's the best finisher in the game

but finisher implies someone to finish OFF of….once nash leaves, his efficiency goes down by 10 percentage points and then you’re stuck with amare at 20 million dollars per

besides, when he had MF 5 years ago his doctors said he might need it again in “5-7 years”…it’s just a temporary fix

by rsavaj on Jun 30, 2009 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

again

the problem isn’t just the $ it’s the length of the contract. In 3 yrs Amare could be T-Mac; making $20m+ and playing 20 games.

Giving Amare a long term deal scares me more then trading him but I am also fine playing out next season to see what happens if the deal isn’t right. If the worst case is Amare opts out and the Suns go into 2010 w/ a ton of cap space….well, that’s not so bad

Blogging Suns Basketball

by Seth Pollack on Jun 29, 2009 8:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

let's say we sign him to a max extension

and he does down with the microfracture again. At that point he either A. retires and saves us a crapload of money, or B. Insurance covers the contract, saving us a crapload of money.

by Funky Flapsack on Jun 29, 2009 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

At some point

that might happen but look at T-Mac. He’s still on their books this season w/ no insurance money

Blogging Suns Basketball

by Seth Pollack on Jun 30, 2009 7:03 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

by rsavaj on Jun 30, 2009 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm now full for keeping Amar'e

And even signing him to an extension if the suns follow this of course

http://valleyofthesuns.com/2009/06/30/suns-rumors-should-the-suns-keep-amare/

Mike Schmitz over at Valley of the Suns I think made some great sense in this Article.
I’m sure we’ll all see something to tamper with it’s mostly good to me

by Batmanthesunsfan on Jun 30, 2009 10:21 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs