Chandler Vs. Biedrins: Who ya Got?
by RD74 on Jun 29, 2009 4:20 PM MDT
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These two names have been circulating around as possible additions to the Phoenix Suns. Chandler in a possible Ben Wallace deal, and of course Biedrins in the Stoudamire deal. But lets ignore who we'd have to give up to get these guys, let's assume we had our choice of either or. Who would you rather have on your team? Here's a short profile on the players:
Andris Biedrins
Height: 6-11 Weight: 240 lbs.
Born: April 2, 1986 in Riga, Latvia
High School: Valters Basketball School in Riga, Latvia
Drafted by the Golden State Warriors in the 1st round (11th pick, 11th overall) of the 2004 NBA draft.
Salary 2009: $9,000,000
Contract: Signed through 2013/14
Career in Averages
G-63
MPG-24.2
FG%-60.4
FT%-53
RB-8.2
BK-1.2
PTS-8.4
PROS-
-HIGH ENERGY DEFENSIVE PRESENCE
-SOLID REBOUNDER
-AVERAGE TO GOOD SHOT BLOCKER
-GOOD PASSER FOR A BIG MAN
CONS-
-BAD SHOOTER, WORSE FREE THROW SHOOTER
-CAN'T CREATE OWN SHOT
-GETS OVERPOWERED BY BIGGER CENTERS AND PHYSICAL POWER FORWARDS
-FOUL MACHINE
-NEEDS BIG PF TO HANDLE THE DIRTY WORK
Tyson Chandler
Height: 7-1 Weight: 235 lbs.
Born: October 2, 1982 in Hanford, California
High School: Dominguez in Compton, California
Salary 2009: $11,350,000
Contract: Signed through 2010/11
Drafted by the Los Angeles Clippers in the 1st round (2nd pick, 2nd overall) of the 2001 NBA draft.
Career in Averages
G-67
MPG-28
FG%-56
FT%-59
RB-9
BK-1.4
PTS-8.2
PROS:
-DECENT SHOOTING RANGE FOR A BIG GUY
-EXCELLENT FINISHER
-VERY ACTIVE ON OFFENSIVE END
-LENGTH/WINGSPAN
-INTENSITY AT BOTH ENDS OF THE FLOOR
-GOOD OFFENSIVE/DEFENSIVE REBOUNDER
CONS:
-NEEDS PG TO SET UP HIS SHOT
-INJURY HISTORY
-NOT DOMINATING RIM PRESENCE ON D
-CAN'T BANG WITH THE BIG BOYS
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Tysun Chandler makes Andres B
look like an offensive juggernaut! Chandler has zero skills, Biedrins has some talent. This is why The Hornets were trying to dump him. If its not an alley oop there is NO OFFENSE through Chandler.
by Dungeness Crab Dribble on Jun 29, 2009 4:42 PM MDT reply actions
I sense a total warrior bias here
Chandler has somewhat of a jumpshot while unfortunately Biedrins doesn’t have one. Otherwise their offense is practically the same. Oh wait no…..Chandler can catch Oops too which I haven’t seen Biedrins do often……my vote is Chandler
by Batmanthesunsfan on Jun 29, 2009 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Ya, the Hornets were dumping him becuase he was good. Nice logic.
by Crab Ddribble Cocktail on Jun 29, 2009 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions
He wasn't horrible when he was healthy. Actually he played his ass of after his trade failed
by Batmanthesunsfan on Jun 29, 2009 11:49 PM MDT up reply actions
give up, you’re not talking to someone who is just a Warriors fan, you’re talking to a Warriors fan who is a complete homer.
i think most people that follow the NBA know that New Orleans is having financial problems still and are trying to cut costs.
by homer simpson on Jun 29, 2009 11:52 PM MDT up reply actions
wasn’t talking about warriOs. his comment wasn’t that gratuitous.
by homer simpson on Jun 30, 2009 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions
I pick C, Manute Bol.
Seriously though, I would prefer Biedrins over Chandler. Foul prone is slightly better than injury prone imo.
Detras de ti, imbecil.
AB vs Chandler
Chandler is taller, a little less productive with the best young PG in the league:
AB did it last year without a real point guard, on mostly hustle, the Kid has a lot of heart, his footwork is his best asset:
But you put him with Nash and with AB’s speed for a big man Nash could make him look like the second coming:
if this was 2 or three eyears ago i would of said Chandler, but ot now, AB is 22 and still learning the game:
Even if the Suns don’t make the trade the W’s will be happy to have him stay, especialy if they could get KIdd for a few years while Curry develops;
I think with AB the Suns would have a big that runs the floor can push the ball up or dribble himself and loves the pick and roll, but when your best passer is Jackson who loves to shoot how many passes are you going to get>?
Keep in mind the Nash-Stoudamire pick ‘n roll is pretty lethal. Defenses have to choose their poison. Assuming Nash stays and Stoudamire goes, a big offensive weapon is gone-that is unless AB can handle that. And he certainly can’t pop a 17 footer like Amare can.
As I said before
If Amare stays, and we get Chandler, TC will get 15 ppg because Nash will find him. Everyone wants to point out that Paul is the best, and he didn’t get Chandler 15 ppg. However, we would have Amare drawing two defenders, while David West, while good, is no STAT.
TC would be so open, he could write a book and lead cheers.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
hmmm....
I think chandler is the better player right now but AB has some potential chandler is who he is.
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Jun 29, 2009 7:07 PM MDT reply actions
but im tempted to overwhelmingly say chandler
only to see Dungeness bias make an appearance again! : )
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Jun 29, 2009 7:09 PM MDT reply actions
im on the fence
but picked AB cause of his D and the injury factor
by IrrationalAgent on Jun 29, 2009 7:54 PM MDT reply actions
Beans is the better player
But i want Chandler!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Yeah, it’s kind of like you have two chicks that dig you and one of them is pretty hot, maybe an 8, but she’s flaky and you get the idea that you’re not the only dude in the picture. But then there’s a 5 sopping wet who wants to cook for you and buys you clothes and brings you beer. So you’re stuck because you know what the right choice is, but at the same time, hot chicks are nice.
hahaha that was hilarious. But im going to have to go Chandler, only because this question doesnt make sense because you dont get Biendris without losing Amare. Honestly I think Kerr is having tunnel vision right now with this rebuilding project. A front court of Chandler, Amare, and Hill/Clark could be buckets :)
No day but today
My thoughts exactly
loads of offensive potential and defense to boot
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
KTAR
I texted Ash about this today, he responded with a wow I don’t know what we would do.
I asked him if, " Lets say the Suns don’t trade Amare, but they don’t extend him. In most situations the player would be pissed BUT since it is in a contract year and other teams are watching the potential FA’s Amare wouldn’t be able to slack and pout he would have to come out strong to try and earn that big money from other teams… If the Suns are playing well, lets say top 4, do they risk trading him at the deadline to get value for him and risk missing the playoffs? or keep playing the season out and just lose Amare for nothing, after his good season and have teams shower him with money?
No day but today
Wait till February and trade him when he has value.
We are not going to win the title this year with the team as it stands (Ben Wallace and Fropez at the 5??? how are they going to stop Gasol/Duncan?)So don’t worry about the playoffs, just get value for Amare. In Feb.
totally,
an hour ago, chandler was winning by a pretty good margain, now it’s completely reversed!
Biedrins by a mile
AB is only 22 and is signed through the 2013/14 season. He runs very well for someone his size. Biedrins was a monster up until the end of Jan when he got hurt. Check ou his rebounding, blocks, and points up until that point. His averages took a dive with all of the 15 minute games after that. He has developed every year and should thrive in Phoenix’s up tempo offence. His shot selection is also very good (note the 60+ shooting percentage).
Chandler is injury prone and has not thrived despite having the #1 PG on his team. Remember, he flunked a physical just last year which ended up blocking a trade. Do we really want a guy whom another team seems more than willing to let go? Plus Biedrins was putting up far better numbers when they were both healthy and GS doesn’t even have a real PG.
Chandler
But mostly because we don’t have to give up Stoudemire to get him. And begruding props to the GSOMers for gaming our vote. If I didn’t think it was in good fun, I’d be pissed. Hats off, pranksters.
They don't have anything else to do
1 playoff in 13 years will do that to you. We have what, 2 or three MISSED playoffs in that time.
April 29, 2008 Total Eclipse of the Sun. Is the sky falling?
biedrins
I’m a warriors fan also and he is way better, younger and improving at a huge rate compared to Chandler. He is going to either be an all-star or defensive player of the year soon
He is going to either be an all-star or defensive player of the year soon
if there was a way to do it, i would bet you all the money that you have that this will not happen.
by homer simpson on Jun 30, 2009 6:49 PM MDT up reply actions
haha
you never know, with Shaq in the East and Yao down….if Greg Oden and Bynum are busted up, Amare and Duncan remain listed at PF, Al Jefferson turns pouty, and the Warriors get off to a hot start with a litte national media attention……. oh forget it, nevermind.
Thing A
I can't get past the contract issues...
Chandler will be in the 2010 mess. Why bother with him for that?
If we are rebuilding, we need younger cheaper talent. That is Biedrins, who is safely locked up until the end of time.
I’ve moved on. Neither are fit for the Kingdom. The Kingdom of the Suns.
Who are these guys again?
Value for Amare
I keep hearing that the Suns should keep Amare until February so they can get better value. I don’t know how much more value you can get than what the Warriors are offering. Biedrins, Wright and Belinelli certainly is a lot of value. I have a hard time believing Kerr will get more if he holds on to him. Plus by holding on to him it brings in the possibility of an injury.
He's already been injured, the open question is how is he recovering?
We’ll get better value once teams see he can play at a high level again.
Someone will offer more if they believe Amare can get them over the top. Those are the trades likely to happen at the deadline.
Who are these guys again?
Fair enough
However, if he doesn’t play at a high level again then the Suns are basically screwed. They will either get a lot less value than what the Warriors are offering, or they will get nothing when he opts out. Is that a risk your willing to take as a Suns fan?
If they take the Warriors deal as it stands right now. They get a very good center who fits the Suns uptempo style in Biedrins. Plus they get B. Wright who if given a chance can be a productive PF. On top of that they also get M. Belinelli who was playing great basketball until he hurt his ankle last year. MB has a great J and has great passing abilities something the Suns can use. To me the Suns are foolish to not take this trade.
If by "get nothing,"
you mean “get $17 million in cap space to use on one of the 3,462 free agents that offseason,” then you’re right. Nothing.
I wish I knew
what these poll results really were from just a Suns fan perspective…
Blogging Suns Basketball
Tyson Chandler, 387-0
Why not have rent Chandler for one year with rentals Nash and Amare?
Who are these guys again?
well...I voted for Biedrins
so make that 386 – 1
Blogging Suns Basketball
by Seth Pollack on Jun 30, 2009 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions
it's an upper bound =D
I think the dubs fans are a little too infatuated with their players.
Who are these guys again?
Just a tad.....
and by tad I mean a lot
by Batmanthesunsfan on Jun 30, 2009 6:01 PM MDT up reply actions
everybody does. i mean NYK fans think they have the pieces to acquire Rubio. Portland fans think they have a team full of future all-stars. it’s just the nature of things. used to think it was just a bunch of teenagers, but i’ve seen posts from these ppl i thought were kids who didn’t know better saying they’ve been following the team since the 70s or naming geezer players like Derrick Coleman as guys they grew up watching.
by homer simpson on Jun 30, 2009 6:53 PM MDT up reply actions
a little infatuation is cute... but all-out rookie lust is pretty awful...
…get a room!!
=D
Who are these guys again?
do you really expect us to believe the same thing wouldn’t be happening around here if Curry had somehow fallen all the way to the Suns? c’mon…. Have the years of playoff teams really made you forget just how exciting a mid to high lottery pick can be? Plus we’re just coming off of Randolph’s impressive second half, I think we deserve a break from the criticism.
Thing A
Infatuated yes maybe a little
but im sure many Suns fan would take this deal right now. As far as Chandler goes, he’s a good defensive player but does he do anything for your future. It’s not like the Suns are going to be Championship contenders next year. Biedrins is locked up in a favorable contract.
On a side note you guys have a great site going on here. Lots of passionate fans, thanks for allowing me to comment here.
We have a soft spot for the warriors for what they did to Dallas =D
and GSOM is reknowned across the internets for being a phenomenal community full of fun.
Who are these guys again?
GSOM is certainly something special
glad people have taken an interest in it. Good luck being a Suns fan as long as that horrible excuse for a Gm is there (sorry had to throw that one in).
Hey
Pull the plank from your own eye before you try to pull the splinter from ours.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
See I cant really vote without the other implications, I would much rather have biendris, but only if he is next to Amare.
No day but today
after you adjust for pace, they’re statistically similar in terms of %‘s. the difference is one is better equipped to guard the best big man. Biedrins cannot guard the Yaos, Boozers, Gasols, etc., and Amare doesn’t want to. Al Harrington used to guard these guys for the Warriors until last season when it was Turiaf.
by homer simpson on Jun 30, 2009 7:00 PM MDT up reply actions
but beans is healthier, younger, and cheaper(?) i think
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
from a warriors fan
Biedrins is a special player. far better then chandler. he can creat his own shot, he actually take people off the dribble cause he is quicker then most other centers, he is a better rebounder then chandler and chandler can barely score even with cp3…… him, wright, and belinelli for amare ?! well throw in claxton AND law…lol
To compensate your generous spirit we shall throw in Alando Tucker.
NO TAKE BACKS
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Ya were over it
I mean at this point we are keeping Amare, Nelson might get in trouble for being the blockade on this trade. We offered you a stud, for some nice pieces so we can rebuild.
Nelson must have been drunk, because I dont know how you pass this line up
Ellis
Jackson
Maggette
Randolph
Amare….Everyone in this line up can ball.
Now you guys look like Villanova in 2005
No day but today
He passed it up becuase
Curry is going to be something special. But your right about that lineup with Amare in it. That would be crazy good.
but....
someone might have said this but i wasnt trying to read every comment but i voted for chandler because lets not forget we can get him without giving up amare … I LOVE THAT IDEA anything about building around amare atleast lets me dream of atleast a worth watching team.. i want to see the suns show golden state up for there bullshit even though im so so glad we didnt give amare up people need to open there eyes theres not to many or has there been many stars like him lets enjoy him into retirement and hope he brings more than 1 title to phoenix you cant tell me we are closer to that without him!!! i mean nash amare j rich clark barbosa chandler and company and maybe one of those low rent mid super star who is stuck in a bad free agency in a bad economy atleast i know what i can expect from my team in the playoffs .. even if then the suns coulda snuck into the 8th even 7th if we didnt rest shaq on some back to backs and picked up some of the easier wins we could always count on we might have made a mini run but i guess well never know but keeping amare and adding chandler makes it feel alot better than a straight up rebuilding team were i have to start scouting ncaa players before the march madness..give up amare for biedrins hahahahhahhhahaha even stephen curry dont make it better please think of a duke player named reddick great shooter but cant get of the bench is that what we should be hoping and praying for thats the real deal #2
And Thats Real!!
We need a center
And you’re right. We can basically get Chandler without giving up anything. I hope we can pull it off. We needs. They are the same age (Tyson and Amare) and still young, at only 27. We could very well build around, not just Amare, but BOTH Amare and Chandler, and we could have a pretty good team for the next 5 years, then possibly keep the good thing going with a Clark/Lopez tandum.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
we could
I have an idea. Lets tell the Warriors we will trade Amare for Biedrins straight up — Then – and this is original – we can pull out of the deal at the last second and tell Amare that he can unpack his bags, buy a house and that he isn’t going anywhere. Then we pick up Chandler.
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