Prepare Yourselves For Life Without Amare
I have to admit I've been back and forth on Amare Stoudamire-that is, do I want him on my beloved Phoenix Suns team or not. I've thought of him as a fan and how I love to watch his posterizing dunks and sweet 17 foot jumper that looks so automatic sometimes, and how the Nash/Stoudamire pick and roll is a beautiful weapon.
I've also thought of Amare Stoudamire as an employee. If I am Kerr and Sarver, do I want to make a gigantic investment in a guy with his injury history and personality characteristics. And I have to tell you, as much as I would enjoy his offensive production I would be concerned about (of course) his lack of defensive commitment. But more than the tired discussion we've heard so many times about Amare's lack of D are the things he says and does, or, doesn't do for that matter.
I am sure I am not the only conflicted fan out there. But today, it all came together for me and for once, it is very clear what is happening:
Amare is going to leave. Kerr and Co definitely want him gone. It is just a matter of time. The evidence:
-Steve Kerr has made it very clear about his desire to have Nash back. He even flew to NY to talk to him about the future of the squad, and maybe um, his advice about a few other things.
-It is widely proclaimed G. Hill is the Suns #1 free agent target. Today Kerr is in Orlando, and he's not there to play golf with Tiger Woods.
-We have even heard about other potential targets: McDyess, Wilcox and others-all big men, all potential replacements to fill a PF gap.
-Has Kerr commented much (if at all) about Amare except the rumors of trading him to GS (which he states vaguely were only rumors)? Certainly there has been no public assurance or vote of confidence to Amare or us fans that we can rest easy those draft day rumors were only unsubstantiated rumors and "B.S."
-Stoudamire's agent has come out publicly to request what in the world is going on. "Are we getting traded, are we getting a new deal? What do I tell my client, he won't stop calling."
I add all of this up and to me it is clear they want to dump Amare but they just haven't found the right deal. Further, Kerr can't afford the fan fall out if Amare gets dealt for anything but a load of young talent or proven veterans that can keep us somewhat competitive until we have the cap space to sign a big name or two and draft a new core of quality players. And that is the only way I see Stoudamire play for the Suns this season, if a decent deal cannot be made.
So Suns fans, I put it to you, will Amare play for the Suns next season?
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Tell him to get his bags packed, The GSW send out their LUV ;0
by ForestGrump on Jul 1, 2009 12:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow who would have thunk it?
Needless to say the GSoM board has been buzzing for the last week. It is amazing how despite the need for a PF, most GSW fans do not want Amare. Most feel it is not worth gutting the club for him. Now its becoming clear that his own team and fan base doesn’t really want him either. Wow! Pretty incredible when you think of it. Since it is all but over on our trade, who out there has the expendable pieces and wants to take on a max long term contract at the same time? The room just went quiet….
by Crab Ddribble Cocktail on Jul 1, 2009 1:00 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You Golden Staters can’t get enough of this can you? Tell me, why the name “Golden State?” Why not “Bay City?” You could call yourselves the “Rollers.” that would be awesome.
Now its becoming clear that his own team and fan base doesn’t really want him either. Wow! Pretty incredible when you think of it.
I think your average fan wants him around because he can be exciting to watch. They see a star going bye bye and it upsets certain people. I think what you’re also seeing is the end of things in a sense. No one wants to deal with the end of things. Like divorces or death and what not. It’s human nature. And getting rid of Amare in essence, signals the end of the “good days” to some. In reality though, things ended when Marion left and Shaq showed up. Still, some had delusions of grandeur-that it could work, bring a championship to the city of old retired people, because after all, Shaq is a WINNER. Then, D’Antoni left, or was ushered out, and Porter took over. Still there were some who thought there was still a chance. We had Shaq, STAT, er The One, or whatever he was called, and Nash.
So, now, it’s the bitter end, and some still have this feeling like it won’t happen. Denial is a pretty powerful.
emotion.
by RD74 on Jul 1, 2009 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time to move on:
I believe the GSW are over Amare: we have analyzed this from every angle possible and it don’t make sense considering what were expected to give up to get him:
We have looked at every facet of his game, from his strengths to his weakness, from his attitude and team chemistry, to his somewhat fragile body with the pounding he has already taken and what we would have to do to make it a perfect fit, and it’s just don’t add up:
So I hope Amare signs with the Suns so I can continue to enjoy his game: don’t get me wrong we intend to beat the Suns in h2h games this year, but I think it would be better for him to get the extension and stay put:
Come on Kerr have a little heart =)
by ForestGrump on Jul 1, 2009 2:21 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
was that a typo?
don’t get me wrong we intend to beat the Suns in h2h games this year
are you saying that you expect the W’s to beat the suns in head to head games this year? if that’s what you meant, i still think the warriors are years away from beating the suns regularly. it sounds like it may have been a typo, though.
i hope amaré signs with the suns for this reason: so he can come back, in a contract year, and play out of his mind.
there are so many doubters of his game right now, which is a bit ridiculous, given the stats this guy has put up, even under the circumstances he’s faced in his career. amaré will be focused, and ready to try and up his value. he must know by now that the market for him isn’t exactly what he (or his agent) thought it would be. so, he’ll come back, play his heart out and put those dissenters to rest, maybe play a little defense (and quiet down those naysayers), and become the beast we need him to be.
but here’s the rub: people will say, “well, if he plays like that, why not give him the extension, since we know he can do it?” just because you get a bonus one month, doesn’t mean you should go out and buy a new car with a much more expensive payment. the same applies to amaré. he’ll be playing his heart out in a contract year, just so he can prove to others that he deserves the money. likely after that, it’ll be the story of too many NBA players. they’ll revert back to being the player they were, the player everyone questioned. why do you think diaw had such a big contract? heck, why do you think raef lafrentz had such a big contract? because they played well for one year, someone bit, thinking “oh, maybe he’s hitting his peak”, and then they disappeared (relatively).
while i love amaré, and would hate to see him go, i think it’s time. he’s one of the most talented big men in the game when he wants to be, but i just don’t know how often he’s going to want it.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jul 1, 2009 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some excellent points you made.
Perhaps Kerr’s silence seems to be saying: “We tried Amare, and well, um, it didn’t happen. You aren’t worth it.”
Amare isn’t clamoring to go (even if he twitters the opposite). He’s got everything for him here-his restaurant and club, what may be a huge fan base that loves him, his home and family are all here. All he needs is his super star money. And if we extended him to the max (which Kerr/Sarver won’t do) we’d likely get much of the same-some excellent games, and some not so excellent games, and who knows, perhaps a career ending knee injury.
by RD74 on Jul 1, 2009 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly.
i think the analogy i made of the bonus and the new car makes sense.
you get a nice bonus, and when you look at your online banking, you’re feeling pretty good about yourself. you forget about the future implications that might come with buying a new car, and you go out and buy that shiny new BMW. now, it’s a year and a half down the road, and you’re struggling to make the payments on that car, which, by this point, has you wondering, “is it really worth it to own this thing, which, while it might make me look cool, ultimately is costing too much, and i could be driving something that works just as well for less money?”
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jul 1, 2009 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
All the junk I’m reading now seems to hint toward the Suns looking to re-sign Amare, but maybe at a compromise that’s less than the max. Weird roller-coaster.
by jburning on Jul 1, 2009 3:35 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s the only way he stays….And let’s face it, if you are negotiating, almost anything from a car to buying a used set of golf clubs, aren’t you going to start at a number you know you may not get?
Still though, I just don’t think Kerr and Co. like Amare and his game enough to extend him. What will be interesting is if we can’t deal him before the start of the year and make a trade deadline deal. At that point Kerr and Co. will be in desperate straights. Further, what if we are in serious playoff contention and Amare is playing out of his mind?
by RD74 on Jul 1, 2009 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
you let him finish his year.
you see how far you can go in the playoffs, and then a few situations arise.
1. you make it pretty deep in the playoffs and get knocked out (maybe a 7 game series in the second round, or heck, maybe you make it to the western conference finals). your team (and possibly your youngsters) show some promise. amaré then realizes that, if he opts to stay for less money, the team can add another solid player and be in serious contention next year.
2. you get knocked out in the first round, and in an embarrassing fashion. amaré then realizes, “alright, i gave it one more shot, it’s time to leave phoenix.” which kerr and sarver would have realized before he even came to that conclusion.
3. you don’t make the playoffs, but amaré played very well during the season. to which i say, if kerr and amaré aren’t on the same page about him leaving, i’d be damn surprised.
4. you don’t make the playoffs, but amaré doesn’t even play well in the season.
resolutions to each:
1. amaré accepts less than a max offer, but takes a good deal ($15 million) for decent years, and commits to the suns future 100%.
2 (and 3). amaré wants the max contract after playing extremely well during the season, suns management don’t want to give it to him, but can go either way. a.) he walks, and we get nothing but cap space and a prayer that a big name will want to come to phoenix in the offseason, or b.) we do a sign and trade, get back a few players, and the team that wanted him initially winds up with him, while dumping a few players they were probably not going to extend anyway.
4. amaré doesn’t get offers from nearly any teams, as they’re scared that the eye thing (or knee thing, or attitude thing, whatever) has jeopardized his once promising career. he might be willing to take a bargain offer from the suns, but at that point, i don’t think we should resign him.
this next year will be a big one for amaré.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jul 1, 2009 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice thoughts. But really, can you afford to take that chance of letting him walk and getting nothing in return? And that’s what you’re doing by letting him play out the season.
Someone could want him for the stretch run, and he’d probably be a steal-at that point the Suns have lost any kind of advantage and are desperate to get something-anything serviceable for him. Here we can pick up our 2010 first rounder because if we are in this situation, the team is trying to pick up that one extra piece to win a championship and they aren’t concerned so much about next year at the moment.
Again, that’s why we aren’t hearing a whole lot from Mr. Kerr and Co. on the whole thing. They can’t figure out what the hell to do. But I’m sure they’re using up their anytime minutes trying to find a deal good enough so they won’t have to worry about it during the season.
by RD74 on Jul 1, 2009 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i still think amaré will start the season in a suns uniform.
i seriously doubt he’ll spend much time in it, and i doubt even less that he’ll be a member of the suns’ movement going forward, but the thing is, amaré is still such a question mark that no teams are really going to give fair value for the guy until they see that the loose ends that he’s gone into this summer with are tied up…at least a bit.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jul 1, 2009 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing will happen with Stat this year.
Stat will play out his contract and become FA next year. He will have to learn the hardway that he is not a max guy. Only way he gets traded is if the Suns get crap for him. They are asking too much right now so he will not go anywhere. Pitcure it out now, Stat going into 2010 FA market with all of the other big names. Good luck.
by Gorilla Game on Jul 1, 2009 5:25 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
If the Suns are so concerned about freeing up cap space
Then you keep Amare, and don’t trade him for longer term contracts that almost equal his total for this year. Then you can try Amare out this year, see where it takes the team, and if it doesn’t work, then you have all kinds of money to spend next year
by Funky Flapsack on Jul 1, 2009 6:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs


















