Nash and Hill to stay with Suns and Frye to join the fun
Just like that, hope has returned to the Valley of the Sun
Yesterday, Suns fans everywhere seemed poised to jump not only off the Suns' bandwagon but also follow Lemming-like over the South Rim of the Grand Canyon.
On top of the constant uncertainty surrounding Nash and Stoudemire, we learned that Shawn Marion was going to the Mavericks and it looked like Grant Hill was going to play for the Knicks.
And then we wake up today and woe is us turns into woe was us.
Because now we learn that not only is Grant Hill going to come back to the Suns, but Steve Nash and Steve Kerr seem to have come to terms on a reasonable extension and, to top it all off, the Suns are going to sign a big man.
In Phoenix everything starts (and apparently stops) with Steve Nash
I was not in the least bit thrilled with the way Nash dealt with the Porter situation and we all know about his short-comings on the defensive end, but in Gentry's up-tempo system there's still very few point guards you would rather have running the show.
The word is that Nash will play out next season for $13m and then his two-year / $20m extension will kick in. Earlier this summer, Nash's agent said he wanted a raise as part of that extension and not many people thought that made much sense. $10m per year for those final two years is a bit higher than the $8m I would have liked, but it reasonable and is a deal the team should be happy with.
In February of the final year of that contract, Steve will turn 38 years old. It is highly likely that Nash will continue to decline between now and then, but it also just as likely that he will be a valuable (if not stellar) contributor right up to that point.
Mostly though, having Nash signed for the next three years gives the Suns something they desperately need: Stability and an identity
No one should wonder now what direction this team is going. The Suns, for the foreseeable future, will play up-tempo Steve Nash basketball. They will try and recreate the glory years of 04-07 hoping that the addition of better role players and a deeper bench will over come any age-related decline.
Nash's signing also clarifies the Amare situation. Now that Steve is going to be in town, the Suns are in a much better negotiating position with STAT/Sun Tzu.
They can offer him the opportunity to stay and play with Steve and Grant and be competitive immediately. I am sure that will be key to the discussions between the Suns and Amare that are supposedly scheduled for the coming weeks.
Maybe that results in Amare agreeing to a "reasonable" extension, as well, which, in my mind, comes to about $15m per year and not the max he is looking for. If a deal can't be struck now, the Suns can afford to wait. Sure, they can continue to explore trade options but letting Amare play himself into a higher contract this season isn't such a bad idea either.
The last thing the Suns wanted to happen was to lose Amare, Nash and Shaq in the same summer, and for awhile it certainly looked like that was going to happen.
Grant Hill coming back means as much symbolically as it does on the court
There's no doubt that without Hill the Suns would be very thin and young at the small forward. With Grant starting, the team returns its best perimeter defender and front court play maker. Dudley and Clark backing him up doesn't sound too bad, either. In fact, it sounds pretty darn good.
Grant will make $3m this season with a player option for next year. That's certainly a fair amount for Hill given what he did last year. Perhaps next year it will be a bit much if he breaks down, but the risk isn't huge given what he means to the team, the fans and as a signal to the rest of the league that a star player and respected guy like Hill choose to return to Phoenix.
Channing Frye in the front court
I like Channing Frye despite his reputation for being soft. I think he's a good fit with Amare because he's a threat from mid-range and can run the floor and he gives a different look from Lopez, who's more of post player.
We will get more into Frye later, but overall for the money he's getting ($2m for 2yrs), he's a decent enough pick up. Much better then Stromile Swift. Sure, I would have liked Chris Wilcox instead, but he was probably out of our price range.
The Suns will be weakest at the center position, but I still hold out hope that Lopez, given 25 minutes per game, can provide enough offensively to avoid being horrible and contribute in a meaningful way on the defensive end. Lopez can move his feet and is not going to get killed on the pick and roll like Shaq. He and Frye both will do a better job covering up for Nash and Richardson on the wing.
Roster is finally shaping up
After a lot of uncertainty this summer, the roster is finally shaping up. No surprise that the lynch pin was Steve Nash. Once he made up his mind to come back then everything else fell into place:
C: Lopez/Frye
PF: Amare/ Amundson / Clark
SF: Hill / Dudley / Clark / Griffin(?)
SG: Richardson / Barbosa / Tucker
PG: Nash / Dragic
That's a lineup that's going to score a LOT of points and will be at least better defensively on the perimeter. No surprise that it will also struggle in the paint and on the glass. For those that longed for the good ole days of 7SOL, you shouldn't complain about that.
There could be another move made but once again, that all depends on Mr. Ben Wallace and what he wants to do. If he takes a discounted buy-out, the Suns could have room to trade Pavolvic's contract for someone, but it is not likely that there's going to be any real quality centers out there to plug that hole and they don't want to take on any long term contracts.
Tyson Chandler is a possibility but the longer this goes on, the more I suspect that his foot is really not something that the Suns training staff can fix. We don't want to get that guy for two years and have him not able to play well. I think a little patience is in order here before screaming for the Suns to make that Wallace for Chandler trade.
[Note by Phoenix Stan, 07/10/09 3:41 PM MST ]
I was doing a bit of digging and found this season reveiw on Channing Frye from Blazers Edge. Sounds like a GREAT guy that has the potential to blosom in Phoenix with more minutes but could just as easily continue his soft ways and at best be a Joe Smith type of perimeter oriented big man.
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The Magic learned that lesson well
Grant Hill played, or lack thereof, in Orlando. They paid the man quite well and he spent the entire time injured. I like Tyson a lot, but I dont want to see anyone getting a free meal ticket.
by KnowGood on Jul 10, 2009 3:42 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
$15M per is close to the max
esp with cap going backwards. I think Amare should get Al Jefferson money, which is around $13M per.
Do we have to extend Amar’e now? The last time we couldn’t agree on an extension with a player and let him play out his walk year, he went to the Atlanta freaking Hawks.
But then there are more good free agents next summer and less money to throw around. So I think it’s probably a good decision to not extend him now…
Unless you know he’s gonna sulk (and suck) for the next 5 years if he’s only getting a “modest” contract.
With the 14th pick of the 2009 NBA draft, the Pheonix Suns select... 3 million dollars!
by gadogry on Jul 10, 2009 3:46 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Plus, if he wants max money, then why not make him prove it to us. I think Amare might want to look at how things went with Marion when he left. Having Steve Nash as your point guard is a pretty good deal.
If Amare stays in Phoenix, he is a shoe in for the Hall of Fame… if he leaves… it’s a toss up.
Mark West Should be a Hall of Famer-----maybe
by jpartington99 on Jul 10, 2009 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Irrelevant
Amare is having another procedure done on his eye.
by KnowGood on Jul 10, 2009 3:46 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
another?
that cant be a GOOD sign….
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Jul 10, 2009 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
he said “finish repairing” so I think thats a good sign
by KnowGood on Jul 10, 2009 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoops KnowGood
I thought you said “not a good sign.”
by Wil Cantrell on Jul 10, 2009 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily. Do you have a link about the Amare " eye procedure." I heard there was something on his knee, not his eye, and it was basically maintenance and nothing out of the ordinary….
I like these moves a lot, and the fact that Kerr got them done says that players believe in him and they like playing in PHX. Listen, we still may be an 8 seed this year and there no guarantees, but you have proven, productive veterans who still have good value on the market who want to play here.
I had a feeling Frye was coming back home (the fact he’s fro AZ and U of A alum like Kerr didn’t hurt). I think he has a chance to have a long, productive career here. And at the 5, with his range, think of him pulling out his defender so Amare can go to work without having to battle a huge center. I love having two big guys who can pull up from 15 feet-in fact our scoring should be tops again this year with the range our starting five will have (assuming Frye starts).
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Nash’s signing also clarifies the Amare situation. Now that Steve is going to be in town, the Suns are in a much better negotiating position with STAT/Sun Tzu
So true…So far Amare’s just been talking the talk…Well, let’s see it, STAT. You got the supporting cast, now go out and be “Top 10 NBA” again and you’ll get a reasonable reward.
I like the length of these deals, I like the money too-these are good business decisions being made.
by Wil Cantrell on Jul 10, 2009 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who could we pick up with Wallace's buyout and Sasha being waived?
by Batmanthesunsfan on Jul 10, 2009 4:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Suns still can't afford a big money player, even with buyouts/waivers
They are so far over the cap that a potential buyout for Wallace just reduces how far over the cap they are, it doesn’t actually open up any space.
I see a lot of calls for the Suns to pursue Lamar Odom, that is just not going to happen. He is a free agent, and is looking for a lot more money than what is leftover of the Suns MLE after signing G. Hill. Unless the Suns can hook the Grizzlies in, there’s not really a do-able sign and trade there, either. I think Stan is right, the Suns are just about done.
The team as is now should be better than last year and can compete for the middle spots of the playoff bracket, I think.
by SoCalSun on Jul 10, 2009 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok oh thanks
I just heard there was potential to sign somebody else so It basically sparked my curiosity
Cause we’re basically stacked at everything but center (PF possibly?)
by Batmanthesunsfan on Jul 10, 2009 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
how bout...
AK47,maybe Boozer, dalembert, , chandler, or maybe okur.
just throwing names out there that the other team might do and contracts match well.
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Jul 10, 2009 4:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Doubt it, although I’d love any of those guys…There could be a couple more pleasant surprises ahead, although we’re most likely looking only at getting cheap role players to fill out the roster…
by Wil Cantrell on Jul 10, 2009 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops...
thought he was talking about a wallace trade not a buyout…
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Jul 10, 2009 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Griffin
I like Taylor Griffin—- he seems like Lou Amundson but with a bit better offense. I think he will be a great practice player for Dudley and Clark to go against in the next few years.
Mark West Should be a Hall of Famer-----maybe
by jpartington99 on Jul 10, 2009 4:35 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually think he's worse on offense then Lou
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jul 10, 2009 6:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes good news
I am surprised Nash signed on or will sign on. Having Hill on this team is important, knock on wood he stays healthy.
Now to get the Wallace situation under control.
If Clark can step up and play solid minutes this team has a chance to get into the playoffs.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jul 10, 2009 4:47 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
J-rich for AK47!
now is the time do offer the trade. The jazz need to come up with the money to match Portland offer on milsap. This trade saves the jazz 3 million and at the same time does not hurt their teams chances of winning!
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Jul 10, 2009 4:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
Both are toxic contracts, but I guess I’d rather have AK47’s skills on this team. He’s defensive-minded, but can also score in bunches if necessary.
by jburning on Jul 10, 2009 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
he also knows how to cry on cue, and his wife is too open-minded for Utah.
Who are these guys again?
by ZonaFlash on Jul 10, 2009 6:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we move Grant to the 2?
I think AK’s fantastic and a guy we really need, but JRich DOES provide us some spacing…
Or do we go small?
Nash
Barbosa
Hill
AK
Amare?
Because THAT I am down for.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jul 10, 2009 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad to hear that Nash will stay in Phoenix.
I didn’t see him anywhere else, to be honest.
I’m disappointed that Grant didn’t sign with the Celtics because he would have been a great fit there, but it’s classy from him to stay in Phoenix and he can contribute to the team in many ways so that’s good for the Suns.
I don’t know much about Frye so I guess it will be interesting to see him play in a Suns uniform next season!
In the best case scenario the Suns would trade Ben Wallace for Tyson Chandler, and then they would really have a good team.
by Drucci on Jul 10, 2009 4:54 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not
happy with our center situation.
I’m just sayin.
Don't feel bad, Channing. We can't rebound either.
by rosewood on Jul 10, 2009 5:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Which is exactly why
no one should get too excited about this team…I am just not sure Chandler is the answer.
Blogging Suns Basketball
by Seth Pollack on Jul 10, 2009 5:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can't get Chandler now since we're buying out Wallace, right?
Who can we trade for him?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jul 10, 2009 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
of that either. And it’s hard to say without knowing more about the foot. We could probably use another answer though. Like just one player who can rebound.
But ultimately it’s okay. If the Suns can average 115 ppg and lose in the first round of the playoffs, since at minimum that means OKC isn’t getting a lottery pick from us.
Also: I was thinking more about that NYC pick from the Marbury trade and really getting depressing thinking that the Suns could have had potentially two lottery picks in next years likely very, very deep draft.
But at least we traded those two picks for…nevermind.
Channing Frye!!!
Don't feel bad, Channing. We can't rebound either.
by rosewood on Jul 10, 2009 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but
There are only a couple of guys that you could get to realistically make it better. I’d rather have Frye than Shaq.. which is weird right?
Maybe they’ll use Pavlovich to get Camby (dream a little dream).
Mark West Should be a Hall of Famer-----maybe
by jpartington99 on Jul 10, 2009 5:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Randolph
gone to Memphis and Kaman’s injuries why would the Clippers get rid of Camby?
Blogging Suns Basketball
by Seth Pollack on Jul 10, 2009 5:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do think we might
be giving up on Lopez too soon as well….I would not be shocked if he starts for the Suns and plays 25 to 30 minutes and averages something like 8 and 8 which would be fine especially given his defense
Not saying it will happen just that it is certainly possible
Blogging Suns Basketball
by Seth Pollack on Jul 10, 2009 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not giving up
on Lopez necessarily, but I’m not really excited about relying on him either, you know? But, sure, why not; we’ve never been able to rebound anyway. I’m guessing we’ll see a lot of Amare at the 5 though.
Also: if Lopez plays 30 mpg and doesn’t get 8 rpg, I may give up on him.
Don't feel bad, Channing. We can't rebound either.
by rosewood on Jul 10, 2009 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he'll ever be a good rebounder
He was terrible in college too.
I hope we get another big….KT, Oberto, Wilcox, Smith, SOMEBODY
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jul 10, 2009 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
that was always the scary part about Lopez. I mean, if he can’t score and he can’t rebound, then is he just supposed to be a pure post-defender kind of like a Big Bowen?
That might be cool if he had been an undrafted free agent (like Bowen).
But maybe it’ll get better. He is athletic and size isn’t a problem, so theoretically it could work.
Don't feel bad, Channing. We can't rebound either.
by rosewood on Jul 10, 2009 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Big Bowen" haha =D
Who are these guys again?
by ZonaFlash on Jul 10, 2009 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
He has supposedly gotten better in the post, isolating and shooting from 10 ft. out, utilizing his quickness to get rebounds
Or so Majerle says.
I’d wait till after Summer League to judge
by Batmanthesunsfan on Jul 10, 2009 6:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cause they're the clippers. They find a way to screw up everything
by Batmanthesunsfan on Jul 10, 2009 6:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
Who are these guys again?
by ZonaFlash on Jul 10, 2009 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
stat was our Center
during our best years recently, however we dont have a rebounding 4 (matrix) anymore…
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Jul 10, 2009 5:55 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
what's amundson then? just some goofy looking guy with a pony tail?
by Batmanthesunsfan on Jul 10, 2009 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But can we start Amundson next to Amare?
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jul 10, 2009 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yyaaatttaaaa
well the 2 out of 3 i asked for is not bad so far Kerr
well the last min flight of all the senior management and an improved contract offer helped changed Hills mind.
CFrye looks like he is going to be a signing, to be honest i dont know much about his game
Now all we need is decent starting centre
Steve nash signs a $20m 2 year deal, looks like his agent did a great job i would have setteled for $9m a year.
With the signing of Hill Frye and Clark payroll is at $80m.
buyingout Wallace and Pavlovich takes it down to $62M
$7 to spend on a centre or a backup or anyone who plays defense.
Any ideas on anyone in FA or last resort anyone in Europe?
by phxuk: Ap on Jul 10, 2009 6:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
$62 is over the salary cap
cant sign anyone for anything other than the MLE
Let the fools have their tartar sauce!
by Funky Flapsack on Jul 10, 2009 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even happier about the Frye pick-up...
Lots of goodwill for Channing Frye over at blazersedge.com for his Phoenix signing. Says a lot about his character (if not his skills) that a fanbase that rabid is happy for a guy leaving their team.
by Mike Lisboa on Jul 10, 2009 6:41 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
they are generally pretty happy over there
I’m surprised that they are not somehow claiming that their mastermind GM outchessed ours in this pickup or something.
Matt Barnes and JR got loads of love from GSW when we picked them up, I can only hope Blazers fans have better taste.
At effectively the vet minimum plus change, its hard to complain about the player. But ot ready to rave yet either =D
Who are these guys again?
by ZonaFlash on Jul 10, 2009 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Frye is our center?
Okay, this is cool. I used to be an Arizona Wildcat fan, and when I was I really loved Channing and was heart broken we weren’t able to draft him, so now having him I think is a great thing.
Oh yeah, I’m glad Hill and Nash are back and the team is shaping up. I think if we can extend Amare and teach our rookies and second year players to play we’ll be in good shape.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Jul 10, 2009 9:43 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Now we're going to get killed on the boards
And we don’t have a single big guy who can guard anybody.
This is definitely going to be one of the worst defensive teams in the league…let’s hope we can score 140 ppg to make up for it ;-D!
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jul 10, 2009 9:51 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
yes we can!!!!
if amar’e returns to his best. f**k defense let him score score and score :D
Libertarianism is just Anarchy for rich people
by Murcy on Jul 11, 2009 2:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least we should return to the postseason...
While this team looks porous defensively, it should have enough scoring punch to get a lower seed (6-8) in the playoffs. Who knows, JRich and/or STAT may actually play some “d” this season! If we can also get some positive contributions from the C position in the form of boards & defense(Frye & Lopez can’t be any worse at defending the PnR than Shaq, can they?) there might be a glimmer of hope…
Reppin' the Suns on the East Coast!
by SET4Lyfe on Jul 11, 2009 8:42 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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