Summer Suns get 1st win behind BIG play from Lopez
In the Suns first game of the Summer League play, the team looked ... odd.
Those expecting a look at rookie Earl Clark in his first game in a Suns uniform (of sorts) and hoping to see what kind of progress Dragic made were disappointed. Just moments before the game, Clark was scratched due to tightness in his lower back. He told me after the game in his quiet and subdued tone that he was unable to get loose prior to the game. Coach Gentry said they held him out as a precautionary measure and they expect him to be ready for Wednesday's game.
Clark said he was disappointed about not being able to play, but he's a guy that you are going to have to just listen to because his non-emotive disposition didn't show any displeasure at the situation. I am just getting to know the newest Suns lottery pick, so I can't say if this is the norm for him but I will tell you if he brings that same poker face to the tables he's going to do rather well.
Goran Dragic started the game and looked like he was just getting into the flow of things when he was pulled after about 4 minutes. He left the court area with a Suns assistant trainer and was gone for a good ten minutes. After he came back I asked where he'd been and was told, "restroom."
He never really looked right to me from that point forward. After the halftime break, Dragic didn't warm up with the team and, while he played 6 minutes in the 3rd quarter and didn't look visibly hobbled, he clearly wasn't right. He didn't play at all in the fourth.
After the game, Coach Thunder Dan (Majerle) said he pulled something in his groin right before the half. He was not his normal pleasant self walking off the court and ignored my question about how he felt. He went straight back into the curtained off area to get treatment. At this point, I have no updates on his condition. We'll see what they say tomorrow.
Alando Tucker had a so-so game. He definitely displayed some his shooting and paint play but at no point did he look to take over the game. I kind of wish he would have been more aggressive at some point, but that's just not who this guy is. He asked his way onto the team and said that he may not play again in Vegas. Tucker said he was here to test his knee which he declared to be 100%. He said that he's been here twice before and he wanted to give some other guys their run. I asked if he had considered trying to have his jersey retired from the Summer League like Nate Robinson did last year, but he didn't seem interested in that honor. Tucker finished with 15 points and 5 rebounds and showed some nice passing. I really hope we get to see a little more from him.
He did break a little news, telling me that Leandro Barbosa had a daughter! Tucker's not yet gone down to Brazil for a visit, but he still has the ticket. Congrats to LB! BTW -- I am fairly confident that Barbosa didn't have the baby himself, so we have no need to worry about a Candace-Parker-like come back.
Saving the best for last is our friend, Robin Lopez.
Robin was pretty pleased with himself after the game, which was obvious because he talked in complete sentences as opposed to his usual mumbled responses. Lopez had a fantastic game, putting up a game-leading 24 points (including 7 for 10 from the line). He was a beast on the glass with 16 boards (5 offensive) and he recorded 2 blocks, but altered many other shots.
Lopez played a team-high 31 minutes and was clearly getting tired towards the end but despite that was able to get to the line, where he scored five of his nine points in the final period. Early in the game, he was aggressive with his shot scoring in the post as well as from about 10 feet out on a jumper, whereas later he scored more on garbage hustle points and put backs. He looked good.
Before anyone goes too crazy about Robin's performance and anoints him the next Brook Lopez, let's remember that he was matched up against Nathan Jawai, who didn't even play in the first two Mavericks Summer League games.
He did what he had to do and looked great doing it. Let's see how he does against some bigger and better competition.
Taylor Griffin is an interesting player. Think Jared Dudley's energy combined with Lou Amundson's hops. The guy can get up off the floor and he uses his athleticism to help and recover to contest shots. He's a nice player, which we kind of knew. What surprised me was his ball handling and passing.
At one point, he drove the lane and dished a no-look pass to a teammate for an easy bucket. Later, he had a steal on the sideline and dribbled the ball in from the wing and delivered a behind-the-back pass on the break. The box score only gives him 1 assist, but I am telling you that's wrong.
I like what I saw from Griffin but I still think the team needs to be looking for another center to back up Lopez and Frye (who is really a power forward). The two guys I was interested seeing on the Suns squad that potentially fit that bill were Kaspars Brezin and Jiri Hubalek.
Kaspar did not impress me much. He was just kind of there. He wasn't horrible, but he certainly didn't do anything that caught my eye. Hubalek is a skilled player with both range and decent handle for a 6'11" guy. He did OK in the paint but not enough to take a roster spot.
The other guy that stepped up was Zabian Dowdell. With Dragic going down, he ran the point in the fourth and finished with 13 points. He's got some game, but I didn't see anything that made me think he will be playing in the NBA next season.
All of that, of course, was after only one game so, you know ... patience and all that.
As for me, I had a pretty fail-filled day. The fancy recorder that KTAR lent me to get radio quality audio cuts didn't work and I had left my little digital back in the hotel room. I spent a lot of time before the game trying to get it to work and ended up losing a couple of interviews I did for a podcast I was planning. I ended up borrowing a recorder from Clipper Steve for post game and I spent about an hour trying to get the files on to my computer, but that was a fail, too. So, no audio for you. Sucks. Oh, and I forgot my belt, too, so a trip to the mall to keep my pants up and a replacement media card for the fancy recorder and we should be all set for tomorrow.
In other Suns news, which you've probably already heard:
- KTAR.com - Suns, Ben Wallace reach buyout agreement
$10m buyout saves the Suns $8m, bringing the savings from the Shaq deal to $9.5 once Sasha is bought out. Suns are still over the tax line by about $4m so don't go getting ideas about signing any more players beyond the 1 open roster spot that will go a min. salary player - The Associated Press: Suns reach agreement on signing Frye. Gentry and Kerr will be back in Phoenix tomorrow for a press conference for Frye's signing
- Lopez impresses, Suns dump Mavs
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Great Recap
Sucks about Dragic and Clark. They’re pretty much the unknown knowns that everyone wants to see on the squad. It’s too bad the Suns don’t have an impressive big out there. Do we know why the Suns didn’t add Courtney Sims to their roster (instead of New Orleans)?
I have this feeling that Lopez will continue to dominate the younger bigs. I think his experience from last year as well as his time under Shaq’s tutelage (if you want to call it that) should have him ready to put up some big numbers in the summer league.
by Wil Cantrell on Jul 13, 2009 10:24 PM MDT up reply actions
You gotta get one of these
Records files as mp3s, no transfer cables required since it’s essentially a USB Flash Drive. i’ve used this to record every lecture for college over the past year and it works beautifully.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Game tonight
Went to the game and a couple of comments. First it was more crowded than I thought it would be. I think alot of folks were there to watch the Suns. I did note that Cuban spent a lot of time signing autograohs and the like on the sideline. But I kind of liked what I saw with him. He signed everything took every picture etc.
On the game: Robin NoFro Pez was a beast tonight. Seemed to come out right at the get go and establish a presence. Phx Stan’s comments are right though. We’ll see what happens against the stronger players out there. But it was evident that releasing Shaq has given Lopez some added drive.
Goran looked tentative but they were pressuring him quite abit. We’ll see.
The guy that impressed me tonight was Griffin. He was athletic and seemed to play with confidence. Not sure how he fits in here but I think that brother has enough game to play in this league.
Got a chance to watch the TWolve game before the Suns. Flynn looked horrible. Overdribbling, making a lot of mistakes. His hands seem real small. So, I’m glad the Suns didn’t get a chance to select him. I just don’t see how he’s going to fit into this league. The stud on the TWolves was Ellington. Great stroke and presence out there. Corey Brewer needs to hit the weight room. His body type won’t be able to keep up with the rigors of the schedule.
Also saw the Lakers and Clippers. The other Griffin is going to be something. Brought all kinds of game into the gym. Clippers will figure out how to honk it up but he’s the real deal.
Can't... wait...
…to get there! As excited as I am to see the Suns, I’m just as eager to see the rest of the teams.
by Mike Lisboa on Jul 13, 2009 11:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Flynn looked amazing in his first game though
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
Can someone tell me what's going on with Ben Wallace?
Why does he leave 4 mill on the table? Will he play elsewhere, or is he just so done with the NBA that he doesn’t want to sit on a bench or feign a career-ending injury for the final 4 mill?
Who are these guys again?
Looks like Lopez is making strides...
I hope this isn’t a mirage and I’m wrong about everything I said about him yesterday.
Not all that glitters is gold..
It’s very easy to go “ooh shiny!” when watching these games, but one has to be very wary of conflating summer league play with the ability to actually play in the NBA itself.
There have been many summer league stars, who’ve crashed and burned in the majors, and many players who have had bad or indifferent summer leagues (Tim Duncan, cough…), but stellar regular seasons.
The main rule to bear in mind is that rookies rarely contribute in their first year, because the level of difficulty rises dramatically, and some players take a good 3 or 4 years to fully mature.
"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".
by Pliny the Elder on Jul 14, 2009 11:16 AM MDT reply actions
ABSOLUTELY!
But I would say that you can get a good feel for a guys skill set in Vegas. What they can and can’t do on the court. The difference then is how that translates to the actually NBA where better competition is trying to stop you from doing what you want to do.
But seeing a guy here can definitely give you an idea of a guy’s potential.
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by Seth Pollack on Jul 14, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
But you have to have a truly nuanced understanding of the game
to be able to discern what is truly valuable, and what is fools gold. There are plenty of players who have skills, that shine against lower competition.
For example, a player might be a great shooter, but they might be a fraction slow in his action, and unable to get enough space between himself and his defender so that he’s not high enough in his release, and that won’t show up until you get to the high level of NBA play, unless you’re really tuned to looking for it.
Conversely, there are players like Billups & Duncan, who only function properly when they’re in a well organized system, and so they’ll look bad in a summer league competition, which by definition is much less organized than an NBA team.
Of course, the big indiscernible is the true testicular fortitude of the player in question, and I don’t know if you can tell anything about that in summer league.
"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".
by Pliny the Elder on Jul 14, 2009 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Fer Sure
Amateurs and pro scouts alike get it wrong all the time (Marcus Banks) but they also get it right some times (DJ Strawberry)….
Besides, guessing how a guy is going to turn out and following it is fun! Unless you are the scout who works for a team that is about to spend millions of dollars then it’s you know…business
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by Seth Pollack on Jul 14, 2009 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions
one question tho..
did lopez play in last year’s summer league?
If so, that might be the best measure of his progress, since all other factors are roughly the same…
He did
Here’s what I wrote about him last summer:
Robin Lopez – The Second Coming of Tyson Chandler
Suns fans are in for a real treat when it comes to Robin Lopez. This kid has got potential to be a very solid rotation player. The kind of guy that championship teams absolutely need to win.
He’s got a perfect body for today’s NBA game. He’s long and athletic but still strong and wide. He physically reminds me of Tim Duncan with a solid base and ample rear-end but more narrow in the shoulders. And while he certainly doesn’t have Duncan’s touch and array of moves he does share a certain command of the floor both near and away from the rim. His defensive stance is best described as an animal crouch. He gets very low and wide in the post and is very aware and active. He kind of looks like Ray Lewis with those slightly crazed intense eyes.
In a summer league where 90% of the guys are battling for attention so they might land a contract as the 13th man on an NBA team, Lopez was the hardest working most intense guy on the court each and every game. And it rubbed off on his teammates as well. When he rested on the bench the team intensity dipped.
Offensively, there’s no let down either. When you have a guy like this playing on the floor with offensive wizards you want him first and foremost to not screw up his chances. He needs to be able to score garbage points on the glass and be able to catch and finish when teams leave him alone to double Amare. Robin will score 8 to 10 pts a game like this when he starts getting consistent minutes.
In Vegas though he was the primary option in the post and displayed nice touch with a right handed 5 ft hook shoot. Most surprisingly, at one point he faced up his man at the top of the key and drove the lane finishing with a 360 spin dunk. He also can shoot free throws (73%) which makes you think in a few years he will be able to hit from 12-15 feet. He showed the ability to catch and finish lobs and pick and rolls as well as Tyson Chandler.
I believe he will end up a better offensive player then Andy Verajao and could easily be more valuable then Joakim Noah in a few years when it’s time to extend contracts. Suns fans – start growing your hair now.
I stand by all of that and this is one reason why I stuck with him through last season when he didn’t look good in limited minutes. Interesting to note that he lost that crouch defensive posture and plays more straight up and down now which is a good thing.
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by Seth Pollack on Jul 14, 2009 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions
awesome!
is there any record of his full stats thru these games last year? I think it would bolster your argument against pliny’s ( very valid ) assertion that SL games aren’t always what they seem.
For example, the one stat that we have across last SL, last season, and admittedly only 1 game for this SL season is free throws:
last SL: 73%- sounds great
last season: 50% or so ( reinforcing Pliny’s stance )
this SL: 90% ( in 1 game ) – excellent
all other things being equal, we can expect to see some improvement in his regular season FTs . It probably wont be 1 to 1 but if 90%SL shooting equals=+70% regular season I’m on board. In fact one of the silent killers for us last season was our horrible/inconsistent FTs all year long from what once was an excellent FT team.
That alone lost us 5 or so games last season so even if that is all he brings to the table this year, we could do worse…
Good catch... you should pay attention to free throws
They’re the only aspect of the game that is repeatable and self contained.
Variations in ft% between the summer league, the regular season and the playoffs can tell you a lot about the mental makeup of a player.
Generally, you’d expect a player to make slightly more free throws in the summer league than during the regular season, just because there’s less stress, and the situation is much more like a practice. Significant dropoffs can be due to lack of playing time/warmup, or an inability to handle stress.
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by Pliny the Elder on Jul 14, 2009 7:04 PM MDT up reply actions
To be honest I like Lopez too..
but I think he’s a late bloomer, NBA-wise. And his biggest problem is that his brother has been very good in NJ, and people can’t help but make the comparison.
Still, the thought of signing Griffin and pairing him with Lopez intrigues me. We could have a real pair of junkyard dogs on our frontline, and that should put some fear into our opponents.
It won’t be the return of the Bad Boys, but it could be the start of the Mean Guys., and it could really serve to put a fire up Amare’s ass.
"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".
by Pliny the Elder on Jul 14, 2009 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions
+1
Saw the Lopez brothers play in the PAC-10 championship a couple years ago. The spirit of Bill Laimbeer was in the air. They’re scrappers.
by Mike Lisboa on Jul 15, 2009 12:27 AM MDT up reply actions
From the write up...
you’d think RoLo was in the right place at the right time the majority of his playing time. His stats say he’s at least comfortable and is actually being aggressive in his play instead of simply reacting to what’s going on around him. That’s a major improvement from my perspective… but then again, I haven’t seen him play this year and stats only tell half the story…
With the kind of team Phoenix is going to have, they are going to need all the players to be aggressive and take risks. The team seems to be built to run, and with some extra depth, they can probably go full speed the whole game (and hopefully the whole season).
I know the critics are not giving them much of a chance (heard 7-8 seed in the West, at best, on the radio). I keep hearing, “At least they’ll be entertaining,” but I’m optimistic they can do well. But it’ll take RoLo, Dragic and a few other young guys stepping up consistently.
+1
We’ll win 50 games next season easily, and everyone else will be talking about how we’re a surprise team. They haven’t realized that our brand of ball is a very successful one, and the only reason we didn’t win 50+ last season is because of the personnel and coaching experiments that took away our identity for a large chunk of the season. I say we’re easily one of the top 4 out West this year, and we could scare the crap out of any team, Lakers included, once we get into the playoffs.
by ArithMattic on Jul 14, 2009 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions
I would say a 7-8 seed is pretty accurate, all in all.
Unless they improve their defense from last season, that is.
"Fun fact: Larry Hughes, who couldn’t stay healthy if all his human parts were replaced with bionic implants, is out for the next four weeks with a bruised leg. Do you think that Willis Reed ever reads about all these players missing time with bruises and sprained fingers and throws up in his mouth a little?"
Lopez is our only 5
correct? And it may be just me, but I get a little scared when I think of last year’s Lopez getting huge minutes against…oh, Dwight Howard. Shaq. Even guys like Dalambert. And I feel about the same about Amare guarding them.
Yeah, but how will we know if he's any good if he never gets off the bench?
I see little point in letting him rot when it seems like he could contribute immediately.
"Fun fact: Larry Hughes, who couldn’t stay healthy if all his human parts were replaced with bionic implants, is out for the next four weeks with a bruised leg. Do you think that Willis Reed ever reads about all these players missing time with bruises and sprained fingers and throws up in his mouth a little?"
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