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Suns blow late lead to drop 2nd Summer League contest

I've said all along that winning games isn't the point of Summer League, but when you have a lead late in a game, you want to see how your team responds. This Suns team didn't respond well. A combination of turnovers, poor shot selection and getting beat down the floor in transition resulted in a 1-point loss to the Raptors.

The game was sloppy, with 22 turnovers for Phoenix and 15 for Toronto, and featured Euro-style officiating that was permissive of a lot of contact on the perimeter. The clutching and grabbing hindered the Suns from getting into any kind of flow. Of course, the point guard play of Dragic didn't help, either. He was not very good controlling the team or running the offense. More on him later.

There was a scary incident in the final second of the game. The Suns were down by 1 with a couple of ticks left and Goran drove the ball hard and fast at the rim and tried to get off a floater at the buzzer.

Raptor Ekene Ibekwe flew in for the block but landed on Goran's back and ended up falling face first into the court, hitting hard on his chin and wrist. He was on the ground for about 10 minutes before being taken off on a stretcher for precautionary reasons. I heard from someone with the staff here that he was cleared for any serious injures and someone else said something about some stitches in his mouth. Hopefully that proves to be correct and there's nothing more serious.

[Note by Mike Lisboa, 07/15/09 8:54 PM PDT ]

Phoenix Stan and I had very similar observations regarding the game.  However, as it's my first time reporting from the sidelines, I'm going to subject you to a little redundancy despite my better editorial instincts.  Bear with, and we'll streamline this going forward.  My notes will be in italics, like these.

First off, as a press row rookie, I have to tell you it’s a whole other ball game from this vantage point.  I went from nervous to excited to comfortable to jaded in all of about 7 hours.  The better part of this post has been composed with the Portland–Houston tilt taking place about 20 feet from me.  And I’ve barely looked up at it.  Here’s my game note: Joey Dorsey is a big, big dude.  One last meta note: It’s a pain in the ass to watch the game from the baseline.  It’s very difficult to get an idea of the flow and spacing.  I understand why Phoenix Stan booked it to the stands.  

 

Box Score

Star-divide

Earl Clark first impressions

Clark came out gunning and took a couple of early shots the basket before settling down and, as he said, letting the game come to him. He was impressive on the glass with 12 boards and, for a guy that mostly was playing on the perimeter, that's good to see. Of course, neither team was making a lot of shots, so there were a lot of loose balls to be had. He's active and athletic for sure and can pass the ball. Numerous times, he grabbed a rebound or outlet pass then brought the ball up court and handled pressure pretty well. Mostly.

His jump shot looked good, but he finished with 5 of 12 for 13 points, which was a team high. Coach Majerle was impressed saying, "I thought Earl played really well for his first game. He got some rebounds, hit a few shots. He's going to be a good player, so I was happy for him."

Clark was less impressed with the result, giving himself a C- for the night. "It felt good. I definitely feel I can play much better. It was my first time out there with the guys. I intend on playing better on Friday." He wasn't happy with some missed layups and his 5 turnovers. Defensively he was very active and did well on bigger guys and handled being switched on to guards well, too.

I get why people call him a unique player. He's got the potential to be a Trevor Ariza-type player, but bigger, stronger and with better passing. He can both put the ball down and drive and he didn't pass up any open shots. I look forward to seeing him again Friday.

[Note by Mike Lisboa, 07/15/09 9:02 PM PDT ]

Earl Clark looks very good.  Not great just yet, but he’s got the tools of a legitimate first rounder: great handle, capable of crashing the boards, an occasionally nice stroke.  I saw a couple of questionable decisions, but he seemed engaged the entire game, which I took as a good sign since one of his weaknesses in college was a tendency to mentally check out.  It’s one game, though, so we’ll see how the rest of the week pans out.

 

Goran Dragic

I gave Dragic a pass on the first game, thinking that he wasn't really well and then he had his little strain that kept him out of the final quarter. But this game, there's no excuse. He showed a complete lack of floor leadership and was the anti-swag (to use the vernacular of the day). In this league you've got to carry yourself like you know what you're doing and Goran simply wasn't. We've seen much better from him in some games at the end of last season and there's no reason to think he can't improve as the week progresses here.

Despite not being able to finish at the rim or hit a jump shot -- he was 1 for 6 for 2 points in 26 minutes -- he still showed his passing ability. He tallied 7 assists, mostly by getting into the lane and finding an open man. I really want this kid to succeed, but he didn't show much tonight.

Coach Dan clearly saw the same thing saying, "He puts a lot of pressure on himself and he's just trying to find his way, but I won't worry about him. He's a great kid and he works hard and he'll do a great job."

I asked Goran about this idea of putting pressure on himself and he didn't see it that way, "Everybody say about this pressure, but I don't know. Last season, I never play with a smile on my face. I'm serious. Maybe because of my face everybody say this. I'm loose today. I miss a couple of layups, a couple of shots, but I think I do a good job involve the whole team."

I also asked Dragic about his tendency to only drive left, which he admitted was more comfortable for him. Late in the game the defense forced him right and he had a fairly clear look at the rim but instead kicked it out to a teammate for a jump shot.

Let's see how he does on Friday before we completely bury the kid.

[Note by Mike Lisboa, 07/15/09 9:04 PM PDT ]

Goran Dragic is a complicated dude.  He’s got a pretty fine skill set.  Like I said in the comments, he’s got great court vision and can make some nifty passes.  He’s just very unpolished.  And out of control.  And it is written all over his face.  It actually reminds me of Barbosa’s first couple of seasons where he would get rattled and wide-eyed until Dan D’Antoni gave him a hug and a sedative.  Except whereas Leandro only got the look once in a while, Dragic seems constantly caught in the headlights.  Of all the tools he needs to work on, I think his game face might be the most pressing.

Zabian Dowdell

 

It is interesting to note that on Gambo's blog he reported that the Suns are considering using the final roster spot on another point guard and are looking at Summer League player Zabian Dowdell.  Zabian certainly has been more consistent with his shot, but I haven't been all that impressed by him overall. I will pay a little more attention to him next game. I have to think there could be better options for a 3rd point guard out there.

The Suns did play Zabian and Goran together at times so that they could push the ball more. It didn't work in this game and the Suns weren't happy about that at all.

[Note by Mike Lisboa, 07/15/09 9:06 PM PDT ]

Zabian Dowdell: He’s kind of the anti-Goran.  All kinds of cool, all kinds of polished, but without the raw talent that Dragic possesses. (And whatever hate you may have for the Dragon or his contract, it’s hard to deny his ability to see the court.)

He could end up somewhere as a back-up, but it won’t be the Suns.

 

Robin Lopez

Robin followed up his huge Vegas debut with a fairly average 11 points and 3 rebounds. He was matched up against Patrick O'Bryant most of the game and wasn't able to get as many easy boards as he did in the last match.

He did play with good energy and was definitely a presence in the paint. It's worth noting that the Suns held the Raptors to 36% shooting, so that's good, right?

Late in the game when buckets were crucial, they gave Robin the ball on the low post, but well outside the paint. He faced up Patty O and drove hard towards the rim and then spun back to his left before getting hacked and sent to the line. It was a very nice offensive move.

Robin played about 10 fewer minutes in this game than in the last and his stints were shorter so I wouldn't worry too much about his numbers. He looked fine.

[Note by Mike Lisboa, 07/15/09 9:07 PM PDT ]

Robin Lopez looks like typical summer league RoLo.  Aggressive on both ends and intense as well.  Seeing him in person for the first time since he was in college, his physical gifts are much more readily apparent than they are on television.  The thing is, he needs to show this type of confidence and decision-making against NBA level competition.

 

Everyone else

The box score shows 6 guys had between 6 and 8 points with only Robin and Earl scoring in double figures. That reflects a funky game without any flow or rhythm. The rotations were a little odd, as a lot more guys were used and the stretches were limited. Between the way the game was officiated, the unimpressive point guard play and the rotations, it is no wonder this one was so ugly.

Taylor Griffin has that fly around the court and look busy kind of thing going on and he also showed some range, going 4 for 5.

Hubalek did his thing hitting from range and Berzins got some easy put backs but didn't show any kind of offensive game and had limited athletic ability. He's a 7 footer that seems to struggle dunking the ball.

[Note by Mike Lisboa, 07/15/09 9:08 PM PDT ]

Taylor Griffin had a pretty ineffectual 24 minutes.  I saw flashes of Mark Madsen like tenacity, but nothing consistent.  Of course, as Phoenix Stan may have already noted, this was an ugly game and in order to overcome the ugliness of this game, players needed to look pretty damn good.

Kaspars Berzins struck me with his notable lack of athleticism.  For a 7-footer, he seemed to struggle to get above the rim for put-back dunks.  I am not a fan.

For the Raptors...

 DeMar DeRozan is legit.  He is not just smooth.  He’s frictionless.  He’s got amazing body control and just makes the game look easy.  He made a couple of poor decisions today, but he’s going to be a nice addition this Raptors squad.  I’m officially a fan (or at least a follower).

[Note by Phoenix Stan, 07/15/09 9:17 PM MST ]

I did confirm today that the Suns have talked to Von Wafer, but there's nothing happening right now and nothing close to a decision.

Personally, I don't get it. I don't see how Wafer fits on this team and I can't imagine him taking what the Suns can afford to pay him.

 

Post game audio from Coach, Clark and Dragic follows:

 

 

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3 rebounds?

Lopez was guarded by O’Bryant and the Raptors shot 36% and Rolo pulled down 3 rebs? Please tell me he only played like 15 mins.

The 09-10 Suns may be a historically bad rebounding team.

Don't feel bad, Channing. We can't rebound either.

by rosewood on Jul 15, 2009 10:21 PM MDT reply actions  

Dragic played poorly but....

That 7 assist number should be way higher….
my rough mental count was about 7 or 8 times were dragic read the defense great (mostly on pick and roll) and found a WIDE open man, and then they missed the shot.

Not to mention a blotched dunk on a fast break….

It just started to stand out to me by the first quarter so i started keeping tract as best i could.

I think on different day were shots were even slightly falling he would of ended up with 10 or 11 at lest.

Although I could be bias. I am after all my profile picture is a smiling little dragic now….

by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Jul 16, 2009 12:40 AM MDT reply actions  

Earl clark

also seemed very hesitant to give up the ball to the point guard after he rebounded it and on one occasion blew off the point so he could bring it up only to pass it to him after half court….

by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Jul 16, 2009 12:42 AM MDT reply actions  

In the Suns system

having the guy with the ball advance it quickly is a good thing

by Seth Pollack on Jul 16, 2009 12:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Great job.

Thanks for keeping us updated on all the summer league happenings. This is really good stuff.
Too bad about Dragic. I definitely see the potential, but the D-League is chock full of players like that. I really hope he pans out. If only we could get him some of Michael’s Secret Stuff…

by Suns' Sensei on Jul 16, 2009 12:55 AM MDT reply actions  

Great stuff, guys. Maybe next year I can join you. It sounds like a blast.

It actually reminds me of Barbosa’s first couple of seasons where he would get rattled and wide-eyed until Dan D’Antoni gave him a hug and a sedative.

Hilarious. Where’s Gentry’s brother? I hope it’s the language barrier that makes Dragic sound so confused. NBA players don’t play with smiles on their faces. If they did, I think there would be a lot more fist fights. Hell, my kid playing YMCA ball doesn’t smile when he plays. I do’t understand that quote.

by Wil Cantrell on Jul 16, 2009 2:11 AM MDT reply actions  

Nba Players don't Smile

Uh… Seen Dwight Howard play ever?

by eagleheart on Jul 16, 2009 6:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Or Magic Johnson ??

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Jul 16, 2009 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

It's not about the smile

I think there’s a lot more smiling than one would think in the NBA, but it’s more about not looking relaxed. Even someone who is really intense (like his teammate Robin Lopez, who also never smiles) looks comfortable in his intensity. It’s a pressure/anxiety vibe that he gives off.

And while he makes plays wearing the anxiety mask, I think it makes him vulnerable to opposing PGs because he looks vulnerable. I’ll be curious to see if there’s any evolution in his in-game comportment on Friday and Saturday.

by Mike Lisboa on Jul 16, 2009 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sprezzatura and war faces..

There’s too much of this “put on your war face” BS in US sports, imho, which basically comes from the dominance of Football in this country. You never used to see it in old baseball games, and it’s not seen outside this country (except for the Haka, I guess), because once games start, decisions during play are made by the team captain not the coach

The Italians have a word: sprezzatura, which means the art of making something difficult look easy.

Where Bird would trash talk, and really needle you with his words, with Magic Johnson, I always got the feeling that when he smiled, what he was really saying was that the game was just too easy for him, and that everybody in the arena should just sit back and enjoy the show. The subtext being that opposing players just weren’t good enough to be on the same court. That smile was his war face.

I remember watching Ali fight, and Pele play, and they were the exact same way. Bill Russell, otoh, crossed his arms and always gave his opponents a stare that suggested bad things to come.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Jul 16, 2009 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Clark

Has a really good ball handling for a guy with his size. He can be something out there.
As for Goran, I’m high on him, that dunk against the Clippers won’t get out of my mind that earlier. The guy has some serious skills, he just needs to be more confident and have a bigger flow troughout the court.

by perep on Jul 16, 2009 6:47 AM MDT reply actions  

Goran

Wonder if there’s anyway we can get KJ to sit down with Goran and instill the eye of the tiger in him. Not sure if Steve is that kind of guy but KJ certainly is.

by LA Eric on Jul 16, 2009 9:46 AM MDT reply actions  

+1

But I don’t think KJ can get away from Sacramento long enough to be an effective tutor.

by ArithMattic on Jul 16, 2009 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

You either have the eye of the Tiger, or you don't

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Jul 16, 2009 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

You can teach anything

Psychology is awesome like that

Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.

by SunDolphin on Jul 16, 2009 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pliny:

Therein lies the conumdrum … Goran is either a “playa” or he’s not. LB sort of transformed himself through the years into someone who had that look in his eye. This year Goran really has to become the type of player that can lead this team through the offensive sets and in defense or he’s in danger of getting washed out as just another Euro who couldn’t adapt his game to the NBA level. We’ve seen this movie before.

by LA Eric on Jul 16, 2009 12:19 PM MDT reply actions  

Except....

This is only his second year, and he didn’t get much burn in the first.

to be honest, I think all this “eye of the tiger” stuff is complete cliched BS.

Karl Malone might have been one of the meanest SOBs to play in the modern era, but he was notoriously lacking in “testicular fortitude” when it came to critical and stressful situations (remember “The mailman don’t deliver on Sundays” ?).

You look at Nash, and he seems completely at peace with everything, but the playoffs vs San Antonio showed exactly what this guy was made of. Rodman was crazy, but when it counted he stepped up, big time.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Jul 16, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Don't read too much into

the facial expression stuff. It’s really just short hand for his entire demeanor and presence on the court and that does matter. It is clearly visible to everyone and as the point guard this is a really really big deal.

Its not that he’s not smiling or whatever but it is everything about his body language that just screams – oh shit.

It is difficult to break down into specific characteristics (I know you are an engineering type) but please trust me when I say that it is very evident and very important.

And look, even with Dragic we saw him look a lot better at times at the end of last season so it is not as if he can’t do it. He’s just not done it yet here. I fully expect him to bounce back though and have a good game or two before SL is over.

by Seth Pollack on Jul 16, 2009 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Btw - if it didn't matter

why would his own coach be talking about it?

by Seth Pollack on Jul 16, 2009 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Because most coaches are dumbasses, and live by cliches....

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Jul 16, 2009 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Malone carried himself with swagger..

and attitude, but he just didn’t have it when it counted.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Jul 16, 2009 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wasn't just talking about shooting

Malone also blew a finals game win by letting Jordan steal the ball from him. The guy was a true choke artist.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Jul 16, 2009 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Dowdell

I haven’t seen him play, and was trying to find out, from people who saw the game, if he was really as good and as well rounded, on Monday, as his box score suggested.

I think that Leandro is not going to improve, significantly, at being able to run an offense, and i think the Suns need a 3rd option at the point (after Nash and Goran). Dowdell is probably never going to be a starter, but in the right system, he could be a very effective backup.

We’re getting much younger, and it seems a whole lot meaner (which I like, btw). Once Nash & Hill retire, we could have a decent team in place.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Jul 16, 2009 12:48 PM MDT reply actions  

i liked what kerr said...

about being in transition, but that doesn’t mean that we’re blowing it up. i like the young core we have to our team, and with lopez, amundson, possibly dragic, we’ve got a few guys that don’t mind coming in and taking a hit or two. that punch that amundson got out of zach randolph was pure gold.

then again, i like a lot of what kerr says. he’s a smart guy, from a PR aspect.

by Trevor Paxton on Jul 16, 2009 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think the only thing that can cure Goran of his fears is playing time. He needs as much playing time as we can give him. Get him used to the game, the crowd, the players, whatever worries him. He may just be completely out of his comfort zone and be dealing with a lot of issues with being far from home in a foreign country or something. Who knows, but he’s young, and professional sports stars aren’t immune to the things that affect the rest of us.

Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.

by SunDolphin on Jul 16, 2009 5:37 PM MDT reply actions  

how bout Earl?

is he gonna be like the new Boris Diaw or something? coro points out that him taking the ball up the court was very diaw-esque.

also, i think Goran will be alright. he’s getting there. and he works with rolo nicely.

by yanyanman2 on Jul 16, 2009 5:46 PM MDT reply actions  

my question was this:

if we are really trying to bring back the old SSOL, how much does earl clark fit the boris diaw role, or is he a much different player?

by yanyanman2 on Jul 16, 2009 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Earl-Boris comparison

It’s a fair (if amibtious) comparison, but I haven’t seen (or didn’t note) how his skills in the post compare. He’s got Boris’ fluidity (Note: Fluid is my buzzword for the Summer League. I can’t get away from it. Sorry.) and well-rounded game. Against Summer League competition. It’s very important to remember that we these guys are playing now are not the guys they’ll be playing come October.

by Mike Lisboa on Jul 16, 2009 7:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Earl is a tall Trix with handle..

Potentially much better defensively than Boris, and able to cover 4 positions. He was able to defend Jennings one on one during the combines.

If that’s a subtle difference, apologies. I love that the reports out of SL indicate this kid has his head on straight, and a little “garlic” to his game… That bodes well for the Suns, and if they trade for Rondo, we could very well have a complete team of nasty, sparky players. If Amare ever got a taste of that attitude.. ha…

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Jul 16, 2009 8:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

I definitely have high hopes for Clark.

Potentially one of the big guns going forward for this team. Gentry needs to make sure he gets at least 20 minutes a game this season.

by jburning on Jul 16, 2009 9:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Guys...

one game and a couple of interviews….let’s not go too far too fast

by Seth Pollack on Jul 17, 2009 12:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hey, if you remember, I pushed for Clark to be drafted

when others on this board wanted Jennings.. And I’m not saying anything I hadn’t said before.

Still, you’re right in that it’s a little premature to suggest Clark is actually as good as Trix, and I didn’t mean to suggest that.

All I really meant to say is that the simplest way to break down Clark’s game into archetypes, and to understand what kind of player he could become, is to start with the comparison of his game to Trix’s, and to add some handle, and less ugly shooting mechanics.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Jul 17, 2009 3:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

For sure

he’s got a lot of upside between Trix on defense and Boris point handling. This guy really could be a very special player but there’s been a lot of guys out of the draft that you could say that about and they didn’t pan out. Tim Thomas for example….

I am hopeful but my overriding instinct with Earl is patience.

by Seth Pollack on Jul 17, 2009 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

But Tim Thomas' problems were all to do with attitude..

he had the talent, just not the will.

I think that is the worry with Clark, that he’s not going to be focused during his career.

That’s why I’m just encouraged with what I’m hearing out of Summer League, vis-a-vis his attitude and comportment. As opposed to Jennings, who seems to suffer from a terminal case of foot-in-the-mouth disease.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Jul 17, 2009 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was fully prepared to dislike Jennings

based on the ‘tude and I am still not a fan but his defense was impressive. worked hard. Active and aggressive. His quickness allows him to play guys tight and use his hands to get steal and cause problems. I was surprised by that. Still, he’s the guy most likely to get knocked on his ass by either a teammate or opponent due to his excessive swag

by Seth Pollack on Jul 18, 2009 4:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

The problem with Jennings is going to come 2 years down the road

when he’s established, and has all those people telling him just how wonderful he is, and that he was robbed of the MVP that year.

Let me just remind you that Starbury was fine the first few years in Minny. It was when KG got the big contract, that things started to unravel for him.

There was never any question about Jennings’ talent, and he’s going to have some great games.

My concern, though, is that while it’s easy in shine in SL, because the overall level of intensity and speed isn’t comparable to a real NBA game, and because by definition you’re playing against scrubs and rookies, making that next step may prove to be more difficult than imagined.

For example, with Jennings, his ability to defend players one-on-one may vanish at the higher level, and that ability to play someone close, might get replaced by a tendency to gamble on defense. Just like it did with Iverson when he jumped from college to the pros.

Anyway, the point was more about Clark than Jennings, and I was just trying to help people get an more accurate expectation of the kind of game we’d see from him during the season, and to express a sigh of relief that, so far this preseason, he is not turning out to be a bonehead.

"True glory consists of doing what deserves to be written, and writing what deserves to be read".

by Pliny the Elder on Jul 18, 2009 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Jennings had his best

defensive game against Tyreke Evans…just saying. I agree though and am still not a Jennings fan but he is talented

by Seth Pollack on Jul 20, 2009 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

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