Get Ariza NOW
by UASun on Jul 2, 2009 1:36 AM MDT
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According to ESPN, Trevor Ariza is now set on leaving the Lakers due to apparent bad blood, and is willing to accept the mid-level amount.
I think the Suns should move on this, and fast. Here's why:
1. Youth - We could resign Hill and get someone like Dice or Smith. But why? If we are trying to get younger, why not sign Ariza? While I'm not a deluded Lakers fan who believes he's the next Scottie Pippen, I don't see any reason why he can't replicate what Shawn Marion did for this team in the Run and Gun offense. I'm not even saying Ariza is as good as Marion in his prime, just that he's a great rebounder, defender, athletic finisher, and unlike Marion, doesn't need to be a #1 or 2 opttion.
2. Talent - I kind of already covered this, but I don't think Hill gives you a lot more than Ariza does anyway. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Grant Hill. But he's billed as our "top defender" and honestly, Ariza is much better in that category. Ariza may not have the shooting touch, but I think his speed makes up for it. I would love to see him grabbing lobs from Nash.
3. Money - I know the Suns don't have a lot of it. But we did save a deal of it in the Shaq trade - around 3 million, if I'm right. I believe the Mid-level exception is a bit shy of 6 million a year? Well, were' definitely gonna get another 3 from Ben Wallace - either from trading him for Chandler (which I've seen nets us about 2.5 mill in savings) or even more in a buyout. If it comes down to it, I'd even rather have Ariza than Chandler. I would also dump J-Rich basically to make this happen.
Is it possible? I think so. If there is bad blood between Ariza and the Lakers, the Suns give him a great chance to stick to Kupchak and the boys in gold. Honestly, I also think we're a better fit that some of the other teams going after him too. Besides, look at this roster, and tell me it doesn't make you salivate:
Nash/Dragic
Richardson/Barbosa
Ariza/Clark
Stoudemire/Amundson
Chandler/Lopez
Folks. we have here the best starting 5 since 2004, the first with a legit center, and a honest-to-goodness bench. Hell, I'm not even sure Grant doesn't resign for the vet minimum if we can pull this off, because we would have as good of a chance as anyone in the west to take out the lakers
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This apparent "bad blood" is just Ariza's agent blowing smoke
Somebody’s gonna overpay the dude, I’m just glad we don’t have the money to do it. He got his ring and he’s looking to get paid, we can’t give him the kind of contract he’s looking for.
by hcblankscreen on Jul 2, 2009 1:53 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Ya his agent is definitely trying to pull a move. HC is correct though, someone is going to overpay him just to get him away from the Lakers. Probably Portland
No day but today
by RyanMarcus on Jul 2, 2009 2:57 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing, With all this assumption that we are going to get Tyson Chandler, when are we planning to pull the trigger on that? Because I feel like we only go after Chandler if we keep Amare. Or is it that only us fans realizing how much we need Tyson to cover up Amare deficiencies on defense and rebounding?
No day but today
by RyanMarcus on Jul 2, 2009 3:00 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
All fans want to be a GM at this time. Me too, although I understand that it’s a complicated job.
This is an important moment; the decisions taken here will affect the season.
I’m going to raise a question. I have read that the Suns are also interested in Odom and Grant Hill. I imagine that Odom will be about 10m $ season and Hill about 4m $. Total 14 m. $. But, wouldn’t be better to try to sign Odom + Ariza 10m $ + 7m $ ? Of course we would have to trade JRich in orden to have enough money.
13-14m$ (JRich) + we have around 3m$ in the save Sahq trade + the Mid-level exception???? I think is possible.
Hill is a vet player and he can be competitive for 2 more years. Instead Ariza is young and could be a Sun player for many years.
Nash – Dragic
Barbosa – Tucker
Ariza – Clark – Dudley
Amare – Amundson – Odom
Chandler – Lopez
From all points of view is a more balanced team than the last season and a top 5 in the West.
by matrix7 on Jul 2, 2009 3:05 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The order doesn't matter
Clark- Dudley, Dudley-Clark
The idea is to built a team and this team has everything you need: talent, shooting, defense, versatility, intimidation, speed, etc.. etc.
by matrix7 on Jul 2, 2009 5:15 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
it doesn't work like that
You can’t “add” the money you gain from waiving Wallace to the MLE; since we’ll still be over the cap after we cut him, we can only offer the MLE, period.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jul 2, 2009 7:05 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Right
I don’t think there is any way we can afford Odom – what I meant to imply is that I doubt Sarver will go beyond next year’s payroll, so in order to spend the full MLE we would want to cut salary elsewhere, to keep us from getting to far from the luxury.
by UASun on Jul 2, 2009 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't need Ariza
Last thing we want to do is to compete with other teams to overpay OK guys.
With the cap not increasing, it’s a buyer’s market. We’re not one piece away from contending. Just wait till the money dries up and guys get desperate. I’m sure Matt Barnes wasn’t thinking “I’d be so glad if I could play for the Suns for the vet. min.” on the first day of free agency last year.
With the 14th pick of the 2009 NBA draft, the Pheonix Suns select... 3 million dollars!
by gadogry on Jul 2, 2009 10:38 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t mind to overpay a player, the money isn’t mine. I’m a fan and what I want is to have the best team possible. You can expect, is a risk, but you can get a reward. But not every year will be the same.
Ariza and Odom have a ring on his finger, that means they are good players and have experience. How many Suns players have a ring? Think about it.
by matrix7 on Jul 2, 2009 12:52 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
we had one player with four rings.
and that didn’t really work out.
but i agree…it’s taking a chance, but i think ariza would be worth it. in this market, with the signings of turkoglu, kidd, ben gordon, charlie villanueva, and a slew of other talented players that are bound to be on someone’s wish list, i don’t see how everyone is going to have all this money to throw around at ariza. i think this is definitely his agent trying to up his value. and i think he’s doing a good job. ariza played very well in the playoffs and a lot of teams fell in love with him, and now that there’s “bad blood”, teams will be trying to pounce all over that.
i think we should, and we have at least a little credibility left. steve nash and amaré are still in town (for now). and ariza must know that he’s a young player, and could fit into the suns’ long term plans. just sayin’.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jul 2, 2009 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A player can enjoy a city and a team, but in the end he will play with whom more pay him. Its only God is money.
by matrix7 on Jul 2, 2009 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, sign Ariza but what about Grant?
If the Suns went after Ariza, they would surely have to use all of the 3mil or so they were courting Hill with (and then some), and they play the same position. So if they sign Ariza, it’s safe to say they will NOT be signing Grant. I’m OK with that, but I seriously doubt that Ariza isn’t going to sign with the Lakers – he’s from L.A., so they are his hometown team and they’re the champs. I think a team would have to seriously overspend to get him away from L.A. But who knows, this is the NBA, where amazing happens …
"The mustard is off the hot dog!"
by Billy Hoyle on Jul 2, 2009 1:54 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure, they have to choose because Hill and Ariza played the same position. If Ariza isn’t possible the best option is Hill. I love Hill, but Ariza is younger and can do the same.
The logic is that Lakers resign Ariza, but he will sign with the team that pays him more, sure.
by matrix7 on Jul 2, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn not right to leave JDuds out like that
I think you forgot about Jared Dudley. He was tearing it up and the end of last season and the best hustle player on the floor. Show Duds respect
by RGreyslak on Jul 2, 2009 2:08 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t forget anyone, and Dudley, today is a good bench player, but not an starter. Perhaps some day, but not now.
by matrix7 on Jul 2, 2009 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure I'll get yelled at for this.....
I would trade Barbosa for Ariza (S&T). Ariza is a starter on a Championship team and he is young. Barbosa is a great bench scorer, but is one dimensional. Barbosa homers can feel free to call me an idiot, but, this move would improve our team.
by bradley281 on Jul 2, 2009 4:22 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
inept
The only reason we have not heard anything from the suns or will hear anything until we sign someone on the vets minimum is the fact that Kerr& Sarvar have not phoned Big Ben up and asked for his buyout or traded him for chandler.
You would have thought they would do it on first day of free agency or at least heard anything from the team about negotiating a buyout.
Loved to have Ariza but he wont sign for us even if we offered him more money there is more chance that the matrix will come back than we sign Ariza.
Most likely we get gHill (hopefully) and 2 guys on the vets minimum to take the squad to 13 players.
On a sad but terrifying note the mavs look like signing my man crush bu hu hu
by phxuk: Ap on Jul 2, 2009 4:25 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Seems kind of expensive for a guy who scores less than 10 points a game…I don’t know much about him but I wasn’t impressed by his stat line. Playoffs were a bit better, but we have to get their before that’d matter.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Jul 2, 2009 4:44 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
why odom
we just drafted clark who has a simliar skill set as odom granted he’s a rookie and will take time to polish his game. but i’d rather see us go after chandler and ariza. this team had a serious lack of toughtness last year, grant was probably our grittiest starter. ariza and chandler will brign enough toughness to compliment our more finess players like stat nash and barbosa. i think by acquiring these two guys we’re talking about competing again for the west
by maximus88 on Jul 2, 2009 5:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
ariza, chandler and richardson would be a pretty goo defensive team….WOW.
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jul 2, 2009 5:26 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
i forgo earl clark too, kids a beast
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jul 2, 2009 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
do whatever needs to be done to get richardson out of here. barbosa, nash, and richardson in the back court= losing. we need this;
PG: nash, dragic
SG: hill/ariza, barbosa
SF: ariza/hill, dudley, clark
PF: STAT!, admundson
C: chandler, lopez
hopefully we can get another vet big man like rasheed or mcdyess. and hill or ariza could play shooting guard, especially next to steve nashty
by maximus88 on Jul 2, 2009 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Artest to Lakers, Ariza to Rockets
According to ESPN:
Artest will sign with Lakers, so they will not be signing Ariza. And …
Ariza has been courted by numerous teams, including Cleveland, and met Thursday in Las Vegas with Houston Rockets general manager Daryl Morey to possibly swap spots with Artest.
"The mustard is off the hot dog!"
by Billy Hoyle on Jul 2, 2009 5:58 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess ...
… this was the Lakers’ way of telling Ariza what he can do with his “bad blood.” I hope the Suns can pick up Ariza, that’d be great – a good upgrade over GHill and a better long-term solution at the 3.
"The mustard is off the hot dog!"
by Billy Hoyle on Jul 2, 2009 6:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darn
Just read that the Houston Chronicle is reporting Ariza “accepted the Rockets’ offer of a five-year, mid-level exception deal late Thursday, expected to be worth roughly $33 million.”
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/6509623.html
by TwinnerA on Jul 2, 2009 11:29 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That report is official
Ariza – Artest have been swapped.
firestevekerr.com
I blame steve kerr for thinking small. He’s piddling around trying to sign grant hill’s corpse while the lakers are making real moves.
by eagleheart on Jul 2, 2009 11:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Grant Hill but
I have to agree with you.
by TwinnerA on Jul 2, 2009 11:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya Ariza would have been a nice pick up, i wouldn’t really consider grant a corpse, he was our most consistent player last year.
But I’m going to have to agree, I feel like Kerr doesn’t want to get his hands dirty. This is making me sick though all the teams around us are getting substantially better. Lakers and Spurs to be more specific, i know we aren’t Title contenders right now but id like to see something from our Management.
No day but today
by RyanMarcus on Jul 2, 2009 11:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would rather see...
our front office be safe, than try to gamble on a semi-aging player that could be on the downside of his career. we did that with shaq, and the whole situation (even though shaq somehow managed to resurrect his career) didn’t work out that well.
by iamtrevorpaxton on Jul 3, 2009 7:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're delusional
baneagleheart.com
How does signing a guy like Artest, who’s on the downside of his career, help this team? What would be the point of giving him a multi-year deal that would marginally improve us now while hampering our future?
by hcblankscreen on Jul 3, 2009 2:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Annnnnnd Too Late...
The Rockets immediately picked him up the in almost the exact split second they lost Artest to the Fakers.
It’s been reported that the Suns are heavily eying Channing Frye though, That could be a very interesting match.
by wasting_death on Jul 3, 2009 8:21 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Artest to the Lakers, Ariza to the Rockets, Jefferson to the Spurs, Carter to the Magic, Gortat and Quintin Ross to the Mavs
Meanwhile we’ve added…..oh wait, we’ve LOST Shaq and probably Grant Hill too.
WTF is Kerr doing.
Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."
by rsavaj on Jul 3, 2009 9:38 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm a little frustrated
That the Rockets, Lakers, Cavs, Magic, and Pistons, are wheeling and dealing and we haven’t added anyone of significance to our team, even though we did dump Shaq and some things have been discussed.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Jul 3, 2009 11:43 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Crazy unrealated thought
I know this sounds absolutely crazy…and I mean really crazy, but what about getting Shawn back? I mean, it’s not exactly the smartest move in the world but it’s not the dumbest either. I realize there is some problems to be had but I think after these last couple years he might have gotten off his high-horse and learned his place after two brief stints with Miami and Toronto. It would be kind of stepping back and trying to relive the past, sure. Along with that we’d probably get a great deal of skepticism and/or hatred from basically everyone but I really wanna see what the Suns could do with their old big three back together. This is probably just an impossible fantasy fueled by love for my favorite player. But if for some astounding reason the stars aligned they sign Shawn and the then trade for Tyson Chandler, I’ll be over the moon
by Batmanthesunsfan on Jul 3, 2009 11:31 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously I would be over the moon if our line up was
Nash
JRich
Marion
Amare
Chandler
But as they say its so crazy it might work! But on the other hand you know in the NBA its all about the money, I mean look at what hedo just did, Backed out of a great young Portland team with nice pieces around him and a chance to work towards a chip, just to take a few extra million dollars in Toronto with a future that isn’t so bright.
Honestly I have always liked trix, and i wasn’t in the locker room to see how his emotions and pride made him feel the way he does. All i hear is reports and what i read in books and articles, but i think if he gets past the idea that he is never going to be the “MAN” on any team, but a very very very good piece to a good team, then he should just come back to the suns even if its for less money.
No day but today
by RyanMarcus on Jul 4, 2009 3:03 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
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