If Kidd stays in Dallas, Nash goes to New York
by Seth Pollack on Jul 3, 2009 2:46 PM MST
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PrintThe reports out of New York (via Newsday) are that Jason Kidd is close to a decision that would keep him in Dallas for three more years (and $24m). He seems to be weighing a lesser offer from the Knicks that would also keep him closer to his ex-wife and three kids who live in the area.
The Knicks obviously need a point guard and just as obviously Steve Nash would love to play again for D'Antoni. Nash said again recently that if he can't come to terms with the Suns that he would consider a trade to the Knicks.
...the Victoria, B.C. native, who is heading into the final year of a contract that will pay him $13.1 million U.S. in 2009-10, acknowledged that if the sides can’t reach a consensus, "than a trade would always be a possibility." And if that’s the case, the point guard said he would like to play in New York, where his family spends its summers.
"I would preface it by saying that I love Phoenix and that’s what I’m focusing on right now," Nash said. "But I live in New York City, and I love it there, and [Knicks head coach] Mike D’Antoni was one of my favorite coaches. If it didn’t work out in Phoenix, obviously that would be a place I’d consider."
If Kidd does decide to stay in Dallas how might that influence Steve's willingness to deal with the Suns? He was obviously and openly frustrated last season at the hiring of Terry Porter and he reportedly told Steve Kerr that he wanted Shaquille O'Neal traded away.
I've never heard either of them (or anyone else) say anything about it, but one has to wonder how much Nash really wants to play for Steve Kerr and be part of a Suns rebuild. The Suns and Kerr for their part clearly want Nash to stay another three years but I doubt they are going to be willing to pay him the $13m+ per year he's asking for. Especially when Kidd is reportedly looking at $8m per year.
Kidd's decision could spell the end of the Nash era in Phoenix by freeing up a job with the Knicks.
Regardless of what Jason does or what Steve wants, the Suns could pick up Nash's option this year and keep him against his will. But if within a few weeks a deal isn't made for an extension then the better option is to trade him now.
Nash showed us last season that he's not going to play his best ball when he's unhappy and keeping him in Phoenix if he wants out would clearly be an uncomfortable situation.His trade value right now is also much higher then it will be next summer. Just like with Amare, if the Suns don't meet his demands for an extension then there is a huge risk in letting him walk for nothing.
Between Amare and Nash, right now Nash might even be of higher trade value to the right team. Of course, Amare is the more "valuable" player given his age and ability but Nash is a proven winner who's going to take a much smaller and shorter deal then Stoudemire.
If Nash wants to go to Knicks then the Suns should make that deal happen. They don't have a lot of great pieces to send back in return but certainly a resigned David Lee is an option along with Danilo Gallinari and a first round pick for next season (since the Suns don't have any of those). The problem there is no point guard coming back and a log jam at power forward. Maybe a three team deal that nets the Suns a point guard like Raymond Felton or perhaps the Knicks sign Bibby or Miller and them trade them for Nash.
The Suns without Nash would certainly take a huge step back next season but lets face it, if Nash doesn't want to stay three more years that's going to happen anyway. Might as well get as much value as you can right now and between Nash and the Knicks you have two very motivated participants in any negotiation.
Heck, I would take David Lee and Gallinari and then sign Allen Iverson for a year.
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Nash to NYC is just like him giving up
He doesn’t want to rebuild in PHX so he’s going to rebuild in NYC… makes no sense to me.
I don’t like the idea we have to choose between Nash and Amare, the point was those guys together like peanut butter and jelly.
Who are these guys again?
It's on him (or them)
unless you are ok with Nash making $14m per year for the next three years while Kidd is making $8 per
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Of course, I mean we did have Nash for those years for a very reasonable price considering the production. But of course its coming back to money. It makes me sick because we always want to cater for Nash, understandably, but every move me make and coach we fire or offense we run is geared so i will make Steve happy. There is no way we can pay him 14 plus a year for 3 more years, I agree that if Jason Kidd can play for 3 more years, then Nash probably can too, but at what cost?
I tend to agree with Stan on this one, If we are trading Nash then make the Knicks work for it and force them to part with some good pieces.
No day but today
Team Option
Stan have the team all ready picked up his team option?or will they in a couple of weeks time if they want to keep him for this season?
August 1st
His option kicks in August 1st unless the Suns do something before that …
"The mustard is off the hot dog!"
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if for some stupid reason Kerr doesnt pick it up does his $8m goes on our cap? or does his $13m Disappear Altogether ?
i'm pretty sure
that would be 8 against your cap. but i can’t imagine its easy to take me seriously at this point.
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the suns
have to come up with a scenario where we get our pick back. I do not want to rely on another team having a crappy season so we can get a good pick. Didn’t really work with Atlanta. I would much rather have it so that we determine our fate
Let the fools have their tartar sauce!
maybe a Nash trade to OKC
for our pick and westbrook
Let the fools have their tartar sauce!
by Funky Flapsack on Jul 3, 2009 4:00 PM MST up reply actions
Kerr does not have the know how to pull a good deal.
Just trade nash away for 3 mill cash and call it a day.
yeaaah riiight.
if that happened, i would somehow find kerr’s house, wait for him to walk out of that house, and hug him until someone called the cops on me.
by Trevor Paxton on Jul 3, 2009 6:45 PM MST up reply actions
i agree.
and, if you trade nash to the knicks, they immediately become a playoff team, depending on what they give back.
if they give back gallinari, fine, they didn’t really play him last season, even after the disc in his back felt better. if they give up david lee, they have a bit more of a problem, but you can make a trade with another team for someone with an expiring contract who can still ball a little bit. if the knicks give up lee, gallinari, and their 1st round pick, but somehow replace lee with someone with at least a little basketball sense, they make the playoffs.
and then the suns are, once again, slotted in the 14-16 spot.
by Trevor Paxton on Jul 3, 2009 6:48 PM MST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind Lee + Galo at all
If we’re truly rebuilding it matters most that we get young quality, no matter what position.
wow I would be so down, but no way in hell OKC does that. They arent trying to win right away. They are building the team in the right way, recruiting young talent. If i were them, there is no way in hell im giving us our pick back, especially the way we are looking right now with the season in question.
and 2010’s draft is supposed to be really good too.
No day but today
2010
it will have at leat 5-10 all stars and possibly 3 future hall of famers in it
that why also i think they need to build a team for this season and not tank because of that pick and give it 1 big push and see where we end up possibly second round of playoffs if we are lucky and sign Ghill and a decent defensive centre if not we will be fighting for the 8th playoff spot
Well ya i have been saying that since the draft, we cant afford to be bad and give okc a lottery pick.
John Wall is nuts
John Henson
Xavier Hnery
Derrick Favors are all going to be stud freshman
No day but today
so many balogna heads
and not enough pastrami. where’s the rye? put the mayo down. it’s mustard time and we got garden salidz in the mix you greenies.
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you can't really say that now.
people thought this year’s draft was really weak, but how will we be able to gauge whether or not it really was until a few years after?
by Trevor Paxton on Jul 3, 2009 6:49 PM MST up reply actions
True, but all indications are that next year's draft is loaded
Especially because of all the guys that decided to stay out of this draft: Willie Warren, Cole Aldrich, Greg Monroe, Solomon Alabi, Craig Brackins, and so on and such forth. All of these guys would have been lottery picks.
Can't see Nash to the Knicks
Like you said, Kerr/Sarver are going to want some good pieces and I don’t know that D’Antoni wants Nash badly enough to give them up. (Not to mention I don’t know if any residual bad blood makes deals difficult between Sarver and D’Antoni/Walsh).
Oddly, I could see a deal involving Lee as more likely than one involving Gallinari, who the Knicks are very high on. Lee + Gallo would be a total non-starter.
I thought I read somewhere that the Suns could pick up Nash’s option for $8 million in August? Nash is so popular in Phoenix it seems to me it would be a no-brainer to pick that up, unless another team blew away Kerr with an offer.
Also, the Knicks don’t have a first rounder in 2010 — belongs to Utah. One of Isiah’s final gifts to the franchise.
yea man
yo here i go, being from new york and all sorts of everything. and ya’ll ain’t tradin no end of his career steve nash to the knicks for the illuminating presence of the cock and david lee.
you’re playin yourself simply by bringing itup
stop that.
ya’ll need to look at wilson chandler, jared jeffries and you could get one of those funny contracts like cuttino mobley or eddy curry.
furthermore, our first round pick next year goes to utah. so step off junkies.
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Then the Knicks don't get Nash
and the Knicks don’t make the playoffs, you can have your scrubs. Jeffries, Curry, Mobley, seems that is what all the Knicks have anyways. Suns will not make a deal with those players. So step off.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
don't front
my scrub squad dominates your scrub squad. not to mention your secondary brother scrubs both look like they got dirty mingies. you betta tell them wipe that. soap and water makes distinctions for the new man of modern times.
i’m talking to you brother of crust! there are so many clumps of dirt on your elbows that matt barnes is asking around for his crown. scrub your mingy! with the best soap from the heavens above!
use water precious! and let’s talk about the dirt in your finganells.
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bahahahah You just waged an all out war on the English language!
what in the world did you just say! haha well whatever point you tried to make failed to present itself. that was pretty funny.
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Jul 4, 2009 12:38 AM MST up reply actions
i saaaaaid
anyone on your squadron who has a brother thats is also in the league is dirty in the mingy region. and they need to clear that up homey. natural fact.
EURO LANGUAGE ABUSIVE
knowledge god!
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knicks 2010 pick was suns property
as part of marbury trade…who did suns trade that pick to utah for..also its not lottery protected..sun fans better hope that pick doesnt turn out to be #1..lets give nash to ny to help them have a better record so we wont look foolish trading that pick to utah
I'd rather trade Nash than Amare anyway
From what I saw last year, Nash’s ego issues were just as bad as Amare’s, but the big difference is, well, Amare is much younger. New York has talent we can get back if a deal is made, and David Lee would be an awesome peice to have, but then that doesn’t make any sense to me why a team would trade a pretty good young player for an aging, declining former star. Sounds kind of like Dallas’ trade for Kidd. STUPID. For New York, anyway.
For us it’d be GREAT.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
I wish I had thought of saying that!
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
You’re kidding about getting Iverson right? The Suns need to rebuild, not get older, even if it is just a one year contract.
(if we can't keep him,) trade nash to new york.
we get back (likely) a young player with decent potential (lee, gallinari), and either their first round pick (which i’m not sure if it belongs to utah or not) or cash.
we then sign allen iverson to a one year deal to help fill the void left by nash (because i really don’t think dragic, though better than last year, is ready to start), and start practicing the hell out of that gym.
then, we don’t extend him, because really, i’m not a huge fan of AI’s game. okay, so i lied. i just don’t want him on the suns for longer than a year. and then after that, we have a young player, and just as much cap space if we let nash walk at the end of the year.
by Trevor Paxton on Jul 3, 2009 6:53 PM MST up reply actions
Hate to see Nash go
however, Knicks No.1, Lee is a start. If we are going to blow it up, blow it up.
Then Amare to GS, for Beeds, Azibuke, and there No. 1
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
I no longer think we need to trade Amare if we blow it up
After getting screwed by GS I think we should keep Amare and have him just dominate everyone if only to make GS look more retarded than they already are. Trade Nash if we can get something good in return, but no way in hell sign him to anything more than cheap.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
i think they have it, but can’t trade it b/c they’ve already traded their 2011 pick to NJ. even though that ’11 pick is protected, there is no way of knowing in ’10 whether it will be gone or not.
by homer simpson on Jul 4, 2009 11:29 AM MST up reply actions
Nash
he wants to get paid and wants a team that can win a championship.
he wants a mobile defensive centre(Cough Gortat or Zaza Pachulia) thats why Shaq went.
he want Grant Hill back. looks like he has no more mates on the team left.
he want amare to stay if amare had been dealt steve so would have gone next season.
best case scenario is he stays on this team this year and bolts next year to NYK
looks like Mark Cuban is assembling a good team (Gortat & Ross) and Jason Kidd will stay unless the knicks offer more money or portland come knocking or lebron phones.
its good that the mavericks are offering $8m for 3 years it will make Negotiating Steve contract extension easier.
If we Sign and trade Nash to the Knicks we should get DLee and NRobinson at least
if we trade him and cant get a point guard then overpay Ramon Sessions, nice decent 10 points and 10 assist at least in the run and gun system
AI anyone?
atleast a for a year?
Id rather see AI as a Sun rather than seen him in Memphis!
i'd be down to experiment
couldnt be worse then what we have
Let the fools have their tartar sauce!
by Funky Flapsack on Jul 3, 2009 6:19 PM MST up reply actions
YO!
ya’ll ain’t gonna play us for no tom and jerry and and and just have my hands smashed inthe piano my dude.
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was that a TRIPLE negitive sentence?!?
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Jul 4, 2009 11:39 AM MST up reply actions
Nash
Pretty sure Nash and STAT are the 2 pieces the Suns want. Don’t think either are going anywhere. Esp. with the Suns going back to Run and Gun Offense.
(chants) rebuild rebuild rebuild!
One of these guys needs to be traded. Right now I would keep Amare and trade Nash. Trade the age, keep the freak offensive talent and youth. Really, can we afford to have two of our stars be so one-dimensional? I think having both on our team is our biggest liability and we need to cover for that by having one of them gone. Either trade Amare’s bad D/no rebounds or Nash’s bad D. Let’s see if Amare can be the man he claims he can, if there’s no one on the team that can possibly show him up.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
I'm wary of rebuilding without a 2010 draft pick...
by IrrationalAgent on Jul 3, 2009 10:31 PM MST up reply actions
A draft pick would be nice
but all of that cap space to sign a free agent will be better, imo
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
1. Nash is like an expiring anyway – it’d be one thing if PHX had their 1st rounder in ’10. w/o a draft pick, there is no reason for PHX to tank the season.
2. PHX still won’t have real cap space unless they move either Amare or JRich.
3. cap space means nothing if you don’t use it.
4. cap space is a negative if you waste it on guys like Corey Maggette, Ben Gordon or Charlie Villanueva.
5. the best players aren’t going to want to join rebuilding teams.
by homer simpson on Jul 4, 2009 11:36 AM MST up reply actions
nash...
i think the suns have worse owner than the knicks… u p*$$ies thinking lee and gallo and a 1st rd pick that doesnt exist are living in lala land… if nash wants to leave and come to ny, he can do that next year and improve his time in ny, by ny not giving anything for an aging pg… nate robinson, rondo, luol, deng, rudy fernandez, joe johnson… the list goes on, robert sarver doesnt deserve to be an owner in the nba, he sucks, and the next 10 years in phoenix will be just like the knicks have had, but at least retard dolan wasnt a cheap mofo, if knicks had those players it would have been dynasty, not lets trade starters for luxury tax breaks, these trade proposals are for losers… nash to ny for free, or who cares phoenix was done the minute dantoni said take, and steve kerr thought he was smarter than what he really is
Do you live in a hobbit hole or a troll cave?
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
btw
i rather have sessions than nash at this point… nash is 10 and 10 in run and gun now, sessions can drop 20 and 10 much more consitently in a run and gun o… if skiles wasnt coach, kid would be much better off…
I find it wierd how the whole MLE courting goes...
If i owned a team like the suns I would have thrown my MLE at Ariza, sessions, villanoavia(sp?), and Hedo right when the clock turns 12:01. What does it really hurt if they say no?
I do really like sessions aswell.
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Jul 4, 2009 11:45 AM MST up reply actions
you wouldnt need a second chance
because you are already offering them everything your able to because of the cap rules.
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Jul 4, 2009 9:02 PM MST up reply actions
ok, well
having a blanket approach like that is just definitely not wise. so many thing could go wrong there. the players might even just talk amongst themselvs and be like, “phoenix? yea i got that offer too. no way would i play there. they think we’re all the same. unbelievable. they got the worst gm ever. stat gonna be out anyway. and white boy too. yea fug that shi- right?? aight young. early.”
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knicks wont be robbed blind no mo
issaai thomas is not in charge so getting best of knicks like suns did with marbury tradeis over..knicks dont have a 2010 first rounder cause the suns received and then traded that pick in marbury trade..do you really think lee, galinari and a first rd pick is something walsh would be dumb enough to do..how about lee and eddie curry for nash
Ny has no pick to give
“…and a first round pick for next season (since the Suns don’t have any of those)”
Neither do the Knicks, IIRC
Nash
Surely you jest. Nash was a great player whose career is winding down. The Suns don’t want to pay him(or anybody) and you expect to get Lee and Gallinari back. The Knicks can wait a year and get Nash for free. They think 2009 is an exhibition season anyway. The Suns give away Shag, they are trying to give away Amare and you think they can demand a ransom for Nash, especially when they will owe him tons of $$ for this year? Lee straight up sounds like a good deal for the Knicks and a sound $$ deal for the Suns. That’s all they care about anyway!!
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