Shawn Marion to Dallas: The Grizzlies are Nuts
That title was actually "The Grizzlies Suck" but I was afraid of what having "suck" in the title was going to do to our search engine profile. Meanwhile, the Grizzlies SUCK!
Before we get into Marion not coming home to Phoenix let's just recap what the Grizzlies have done this summer:
- They start the off season with a ton of cap space. Like $27m off it. Do they use all that salary flexibility they have been saving up since dumping Gasol to the Lakers and changing the balance of power in the entire NBA to go sign a good free agent? No. They don't go after Gortat. They don't go after Ariza or Artest. They ignore several decent free agent point guards that could help their team...instead this is what the Grizzlies do
- They trade the expiring contract ($8.7m) of the still productive Quentin Richardson to the LA Clippers who must be estatic that they've not only freed up their log jam in the front court but managed to dump the locker room killing black hole known as Zach Randolph and his $33m contract because Zach Randolph is exactly what any young team trying to build needs
- This after they waste the number 2 pick in the draft on Hasheem Thabeet who has every opportunity to join a very long line of over hyped big men that never amount to anything. Couldn't they have just sign Mohamed Sene and drafted any one of 43 point guards?
- To top it off the Grizzlies help a WESTERN CONFERENCE OPPONENT get better by facilitating a deal between Dallas and Toronto. What do the Grizzlies get out of it? The opportunity to waive Jerry Stackhouse and perhaps make $1m in cash. I realize the Grizzlies suck but they do understand they are in theory a professional basketball team playing in the same conference as the Mavericks. Right? Apparently not.
- So screw you Grizzlies. I don't care if OJ Mayo is a nice young player and Marc Gasol turned out out to be a decent replacement for his brother. You are now my least favorite team. Ever.
On to the deal that will deprive me and millions and billions of basketball fans the oppotunity to reunite Shawn Marion with Steve Nash.
Shawn gets a pretty hefty $40m / 5yr deal from Mark Cuban. We can't blame Shawn for choosing that over the paltry $10m or $12m the Suns were going to be able to offer. And to top it all off it appears that Dallas with its $94m payroll last year will be saving money! You can just go ahead and shoot me now.
So long Shawn. We didn't really think we had a chance to bring you home but it was fun while it lasted. Enjoy Dallas where you can play with the aging Jason Kidd and you won't be asked to shut down Dirk anymore except maybe in practice. We'll just be here in the desert roasting in the sun waiting to see what happens next to our team who's owner is parched for cash while you bath in Mark Cubans money filled hot tub.
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I have never agreed with a single post more
What the hell is Chris Wallace’s problem? What the crap is the point in trading for stackhouse to save cap space when YOU JUST BLEW ALL YOUR CAP SPACE ON RANDOLPH.
Not only that, but I’ve always hated the Mavs the most – more than the Spurs (who I begrudgingly, secretely respect) or the Lakers. Now what the hell am I supposed to do? Root against Shawn Marion? We can’t boo him, right? This is awful. I think it’s been said before, but a Nash-Richardson-Matrix-Stoudemire-Chandler lineup may have been the best we’ve had in the past ten years, if not ever.
by UASun on Jul 9, 2009 12:45 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Chris Wallace = Matt Millen
But more importantly, in search engine speak is “nuts” really that vast of an improvement over “suck”?
by Mike Lisboa on Jul 9, 2009 12:52 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
you rang?
Maybe, just once, someone will call me "sir" without adding, "you're making a scene.
by HireMattMillen on Jul 9, 2009 8:03 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
time to blow it up and rebuild
nash era is ending…sadly
by fishbonebui on Jul 9, 2009 1:08 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Kerr
Kerr needs to get on the phone with Chris Wallace and pawn off Jrich for Mayo or Gasol and whatever it takes to make salaries work since he’s so eager to be crazy.
But Kerr ain’t much better.
by eagleheart on Jul 9, 2009 2:38 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The NBA needs to disown the Grizz for repeated front office phail
I think they get into a bunch of trades just because they want attention, and can’t get it on the court.
I’ll never forgive them for Pau Gasol → Lakers or for Iavaroni not intervening on the Suns behalf.
Who are these guys again?
by ZonaFlash on Jul 9, 2009 4:03 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I understand that you are all frustrated, me too, but don´t blame Memphis, Spurs and Mavs.. All the blame lies with Sarver and Kerr.
At this moment I´m pessimistic. I would like to be optimistic, but I cann’t!
We cann´t sign Hill, nor Trix; Ariza signed by Rockets, Artest for Lakers, RJ for Spurs, no interest in Barnes. Who will play the SF position? ¿Dudley or Clark? I don´t know, but the logical thing is to think in Dudley.
The aim of the Suns at the moment is Channing Frye, that means that the possibility of a sign and trade Nash to NY x Lee has no logic.
What remains? A year without aspirations, without draft picks.
by matrix7 on Jul 9, 2009 6:03 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
CLE targeting Frye
with a portion of their mid-level. So chances are we don’t even get him.
With the 14th pick of the 2009 NBA draft, the Pheonix Suns select... 3 million dollars!
by gadogry on Jul 9, 2009 6:18 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is pretty disappointing that we're not actively trying to get better.
Just waiting for the scraps.
by stampchez on Jul 9, 2009 7:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Chris Wallace is no better than the Steve Kerr/ Sarver combo. Goodness who gives a rats ass about the Grizzlies. The Suns are going to have so many issues in the next 3 years it has my head spinning.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jul 9, 2009 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ 1
If Cleveland wants Frye, logic is that he wants to play there with Lebron and not with the Suns.
by matrix7 on Jul 9, 2009 6:31 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
And now what?
- The logic is Phoenix exercised the contract option on Steve Nash through 2009-10 but not to resign him for 2-3 years.
- I don´t see any possibility of making a trade with Stat, so he will play this season with Suns and in the 2010-2011 season he will sign with another team and the Suns will not get anything in return.
- 2010-2011 season: only have one point guard: Dragic. ¿Who is in the market?
3 SG: Barbosa, JRich, Tucker
2 SF: Dudley, Clark
1 PF: Amundson
1 C: López
by matrix7 on Jul 9, 2009 6:46 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I am with you Matrix
Suns are in a terrible bind. Matrix wasn’t coming back to Phoenix not with all of the uncertainty with this team. For that matter what free agent would come here. Hell Kerr doesn’t have a clue what to do with Nash and Stat. He will screw it up, let them both walk and get nothing for them.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jul 9, 2009 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The NBA has so many bad GMs. How do they keep their jobs?
Varejao getting $50 million. LOL
by stampchez on Jul 9, 2009 6:53 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
It's just Monopoly Money
It’s just monopoly money to these rich guys. $50 million is nothing to worry about! ha :(
by eagleheart on Jul 9, 2009 6:55 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
If the agent (esp Dan Fegan) is coming out and going “Look! I managed to get this guy $50M!!”, chances are you got ripped off.
I mean, Ariza got the MLE, Artest got the MLE…
With the 14th pick of the 2009 NBA draft, the Pheonix Suns select... 3 million dollars!
by gadogry on Jul 9, 2009 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The contract
is 42.5M over six years with possible incentives up to 50M and the sixth year is only partially guaranteed. So really you’re talking probably about a guaranteed 34-35M over five years, which means ~7M a year.
I’m not saying this is a great deal, but it isn’t as crazy as it appears on first glance.
Purchasing my Dragic jersey
by rosewood on Jul 9, 2009 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace is fine.
It seems harsh to go after the Grizzlies for drafting Thabeet, since 1) he hasn’t played a game, so there’s no reason to think he won’t be good 2) they had excellent reasons not to draft the other prospects at 2 i.e. Harden (plays the same position Mayo) and Rubio (was very upfront about not wanting to play in Memphis). So at this point, I don’t know that it makes much sense to call picking Thabeet a “waste.” Granted, he plays the same position as Gasol, but all the best prospects in this draft played the same positions as their best players i.e. SG (Mayo) PG (Conley) and C (Gasol). Also, Thabeet was never getting past 3, if Memphis didn’t draft him and if Sam Presti thinks you’re worth picking I trust you’re talented.
Also: about Randolph. I agree that’s he’s troublesome and I worry about the move mainly b/c I don’t know why anyone would want to expose their talented young core to his personality, but it really isn’t that large of a risk for the Grizzlies. He’s only costing them 7M of their substantial cap space. He is ridiculously more productive (i.e. 20 and 10 last year) than Quentin “39% from the field” Richardson, and, most importantly, he plays their position of greatest need: PF. So if you told me that for 7M dollars and a shooter who can’t shoot I could take a shot at a diva PF who averaged 20 and 10 last year, I’d probably take it too.
Last: this is the same with Marion. The Grizz aren’t making the playoffs next year. Dallas doesn’t have too many competitive years left considering the age of their core, so they’re not really competitors. Also, the Grizz moved Buckner’s 2yr/8M dollar contract and take Stackhouse + enough cash to pay his buyout back (i.e. Dallas is giving them the buyout money so they don’t have to pay Stackhouse a cent). So the move saves the Grizz 8M(!) dollars and, since Stackhouse’s contract is only 2M, clears another 2M in cap space.
So Wallace’s suck/nuts summer amounts to: costing his team 5M in real money/cap space this year and 13M in rm/cs next year for a 20/10 PF and acquiring the best C prospect in the draft.
Can’t say I agree. But, in general, I defend Wallace since I think he gets a pretty bad rap. I mean, he’s working with an exceptionally cheap owner and a bad market, but still has put together a very nice young core. I mean, right now, they have:
Rudy Gay
Mike Conley
O.J. Mayo
Marc Gasol
Hasheem Thabeet
Zach Randolph
Hakim Warrick
Darrell Arthur
Sam Young
Demarre Carroll
2 2010 first round picks.
~10M in cap space.
Right now, I’d rather have that roster/picks/cap space than the Suns roster/lack of picks/lack of cap space to be honest.
Purchasing my Dragic jersey
by rosewood on Jul 9, 2009 8:58 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree ...
They have a very nice roster (outside of Zach Randolph). They’d be in a sweet Thunder-ish positition if they could land a quality coach and had more ownership support.
by jburning on Jul 9, 2009 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes and....
and you know they are going to have a high lottery pick in the 2010 draft as well….they aren’t in a bad spot in a couple of years-wish i could say the same for the sorry run suns.
by gwillis on Jul 9, 2009 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buckner's contract
wasn’t guaranteed either though. They could have waived him this year and that would have only cost $1m so I don’t get where you see the $8m in savings there
Yes, about Thabeet I was being overly harsh. As with all these guys – we’ll see. I am betting he will not turn out to be worth a #2 pick but I always preach patience so…
As for ZeBo the problem isn’t the extra $ this year its that he’s also on the books next year. But aside from that, he’s a known trouble maker and a guy that gets 20/10 by not being a team player. He’s not a guy you’d want as the “veteran” on that young team. There were better options then him
Blogging Suns Basketball
by Phoenix Stan on Jul 9, 2009 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
When I posted the comment I didn’t realize that. So yeah, the savings, since the Mavs are paying for stackhouse’s buyout, is about 1M. But there’s also a second round pick. So yeah, considering the Grizz are pretty far out of contention, giving up nothing for a million bucks and a second rounder isn’t a bad idea.
Purchasing my Dragic jersey
by rosewood on Jul 10, 2009 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
it blows
b/c they are helping the Mavs…
Blogging Suns Basketball
by Phoenix Stan on Jul 10, 2009 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
yeah it blows for us.
But if Ginobili and Duncan get healthy this is all moot anyway since the Spurs will lock up the West handily, I think.
Boston-San Antonio 2010? Right now, that’s where I’d put my money.
Don't feel bad, Channing. We can't rebound either.
by rosewood on Jul 10, 2009 6:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What all this is really saying is
We have completely set ourselves up to have the single worst outcome possible for 2010. Every single team in the league has set themselves up to have a supporting cast to lure a 2010 FA. What have we done? Unless Amare gets an extension, I cant fathom any star player wanting to come here and play. It may be nice weather, it may be a fun and family-atmospheric franchise. But this is not going to be a winning team in the short future.
Dont get me wrong, I do really like the players we have. But I like them for the heart and hustle they put into the game. When matched up against other players and teams, we’re not lookin’ so hot.
Why is JRich still here?
by KnowGood on Jul 9, 2009 9:54 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering the same thing
why is JRich still here?
And because of that I messed around with the NBA trade machine to find the best possible trade value wise.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nxc62m
All I have to say is you never know
by Batmanthesunsfan on Jul 9, 2009 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMFG
This is so frustrating. Damn you Mark Cuban!
Kidd and Marion in the same team is kind of scary… everyone is getting better while we are just standing around watching.
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
by PanamaSun on Jul 9, 2009 10:44 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
How about building a team of former players
Looking at who was available as of yesterday I thought Kerr’ strategy was just going to sign Marion, McDyess, Steve Hunter, and Banks. Then we get Charles out of the TNT studio, suit up Majerle and go find Hornacek.
This is ridiculous. At some point management needs to articulate what the strategy is going to be on a go-forward basis. We’re all just guessing right now. But reading the tea leaves …. I just don’t see a real competitive squad next year.
by LA Eric on Jul 9, 2009 12:11 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish someone in the AZ media had the balls to really call Kerr and Sarver on what their intentions are with the team.
by jburning on Jul 9, 2009 12:15 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That call would be a waste of time.
It is obvious the FO has no idea. Look at the choice of coach in Porter, marion trade for shaq. Bell and DiWow for Jrich. Makes me scratch my head like a monkey.
by Gorilla Game on Jul 9, 2009 12:25 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Monopoly money?
I was originally thinking that Memphis was just having a fire-sale to lower the payroll to sell the team and let the new owner do what he wants. Randolph’s extra year, though … Unless that’s just setting up for next year’s salary dump, too.
It kind of feels like Memphis is the kid playing Monopoly that is throwing the game so he can go back to playing video games while everyone else dukes it out at the kitchen table. All the good Monopoly players knew to try to trade properties with that guy. Why can’t Kerr figure that one out?
Mmmmm ... Guinness
by JSun on Jul 9, 2009 12:38 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey
you can say what you want about the Randolph trade (I’m mixed on it), but their part in this Marion deal was essentially trading Greg Buckner for 8M dollars and a second round pick.
That seems like a worthwhile deal to me.
Purchasing my Dragic jersey
by rosewood on Jul 9, 2009 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as
Kerr and Sarver run this show, we all better get use to frustration.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jul 9, 2009 3:03 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Its Official
The Dallas Mavericks announced today that they acquired four-time All-Star forward Shawn Marion, forward Kris Humphries, center Nathan Jawai and cash considerations from the Toronto Raptors and guard Greg Buckner from the Memphis Grizzlies in a deal that sends guard Antoine Wright and forward Devean George to Toronto and guard Jerry Stackhouse and cash considerations to Memphis. Additionally, Memphis obtains a second round pick and cash considerations from Toronto, while Orlando trades Hedo Turkoglu to Toronto for cash considerations from Dallas and Toronto.
aaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
trade wallace for chandler sign Frye and get Hill and Nash back and see if we can get the 8th playoff spot.
ill be happy if that happens if not looks like its going to be a long long season
by phxuk: Ap on Jul 9, 2009 3:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Money
Money Money in a poor mans world.
Looks like the banker wont have to pay that much tax.
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2009/07/08/20090708sunspayroll0709.html
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/07/08/nba-players-give-back-9-of-pay/
by phxuk: Ap on Jul 9, 2009 3:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
So... What
It is the Phoenix Suns and their Mgt. who choose to do nothing. That’s why I don’t mind other teams actually doing something.
If other teams are getting better…well…. Maybe Phoenix Should too…
by chuckyj1 on Jul 9, 2009 9:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs




















