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Lowering Our Expectations: Dragic and Lopez

Robin Lopez AKA "The Strangler," may be poised for a breakout season, or maybe not.

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Robin Lopez AKA "The Strangler," may be poised for a breakout season, or maybe not.

Most NBA off-seasons are full of conjecture and doubt. It's natural since we have no games to analyze at the moment. Instead, we are left to stew over the good, bad and ugly of the past season. I'm not going to lie, there are mostly bad and ugly for us to revisit. But this Phoenix Suns off-season has been different than those in recent memory. The negativity and criticism has been applied to virtually everyone in the organization. Steve Kerr has taken his lumps, as he should, Robert Sarver has also been the target of much written and verbal abuse. Of course, the consistent chants to trade Jason Richardson for everyone and anyone have been loud and heard often. AmareSun Tzu and Steve Nash have also been the topic of discussion ad nauseum. But there are two youngsters on the Suns squad that have been receiving a fair amount of abuse on this site and elsewhere, and perhaps, undeservedly so: Goran Dragic and Robin Lopez.

Both players are entering their second season with the Suns, and both, arguably, could play integral roles on this team. Sure Amare could slide back to Center and Frye could start at PF, but wouldn't it be a nice luxury to have an active center who can run the floor and provide an inside presence? Yes Barbosa is capable of spelling Nash at the point, but it isn't where he belongs nor is it where he can be at his most effective. It would be pretty sweet to have a young, energetic, dependable point guard coming off the bench who can run the offense, play some defense, and give Nash his much needed breathers.

Star-divide

REALITY

Goran Dragic

If Dragic was Derrick Rose or Chris Paul, we would have known if by now. But could he develop into a quality NBA point guard? Dragic is 22 and struggled through his first year in the NBA. But do we know why? Was he over matched, did the NBA game move too fast for him? Or was Terry Porter simply the wrong coach for him? We saw some moments late in the year where Dragic suddenly figured it out. He became more aggressive, took the ball to the hole and showed some excellent outside range. We have also seen some excellent performances of late in both the Summer League and the Euro Championships. Of course, we've also seen poor performances where Dragic consistently turned the ball over and looked, well, rather lost.

As a reminder of what Dragic was supposed to bring to the table, here is a pre-draft overview of his qualities pulled from a number of different sources:

Strengths

  • Ability to finish around the basket
  • Long build and quickness-solid defender
  • Work ethic
  • Excellent first step
  • Ability to create his own shot
  • High energy

Weaknesses

  • Turnover prone
  • Questionable decision making
  • Average ball handler
  • Offensive creativity
  • Shooting mechanics

Is it not so out of the ordinary that a rookie PG lacks solid decision making and offensive creativity? Is it odd that a rookie PG is turnover prone? It's not even that odd to see a veteran PG that is turnover prone: see Nash, Steve. Dragic may have faced some quality competition in international play, but international play is not the NBA by any means. My point is that we could view his rookie season as a disappointment, or we could see it as typical: most rookies must adjust to NBA style of basketball. The minority of rookies have the poise, talent and coaching to make a smoothe transition.While Dragic has the size and talent to play in the NBA, he was certainly lacking in other areas. Remember, this guy has a difficult time speaking English. With Terry Porter barking indecipherable gibberish at him, what kind of performance did you expect?

REALITY

Robin Lopez

If Robin Lopez was Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaquille O'Neal, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, or even Brooke Lopez, we would have known it by now. But like Dragic, no one should have expected him to walk on the court and dominate. Yes he was a first round pick, but he wasn't drafted to put up big numbers, he was drafted to mix it up on the boards, play near the rim and contest shots, run the floor, and hustle-you know, be that  dirt worker that Cotton would be proud of.

Here is what we knew about Lopez before we drafted him:

Strengths

  • Active big man
  • Defensive prowess
  • Basketball IQ
  • Good hands for a big man
  • Physical Toughness
  • Ability to run the floor/mobility
  • Wingspan
  • Ability to contest shots

Weaknesses

  • Loses Focus-Control of emotions
  • Average athleticism/explosiveness
  • Ability to face the basket
  • Footwork/Post Moves
  • Lacking offensive skills
  • Below average big man strength
  • Below average free throw shooting
     

Gee, I'm starting to see a trend here. Both Dragic and Lopez suffered from inconsistency last season. Could it be that they were rookies and most rookies are often inconsistent? Or could it be that the internal issues going on with the team, including having Shaq and other veterans feuding and sulking through a confusing half a season make the rookie year even more difficult than what is "NBA typical?" Or could it be that having Terry Porter as coach contributed to both players falling behind the normal rookie learning curve?


I am not submitting that both of these players are and will be great. In fact both could turn out to be busts. But another Summer League and full training camp will help them. Having Alvin Gentry and NOT Terry Porter as head coach may help them. Not only is Gentry not the hard line prick that Terry Porter was, he is used to coaching young players. And while I cannot make a logical argument that Gentry is the right guy and has a history of successfully developing and winning with young players (his career record illustrates otherwise), the Suns could do much worse. Either way, both Dragic and Lopez are not future Hall-of-Famers. We should not expect them to be. As rookies, they played like rookies. Here's to hoping they can put it together for 2009-10.

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about dragics knee...

I saw some news last week about the injury. (Im having trouble finding the site again however) From what i remember it is not a big issue and is just calcium buildup in his knees. The treatment is rest and ultrasound (to break up the deposits)

by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Sep 14, 2009 11:41 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Wait a minute

you mean we should be patient with our young players and not jump too fast into concluding they are busts?

by Phoenix Stan on Sep 14, 2009 11:56 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

nah

you’ve been consistent in you opinion about Dragic…

I do think that too many people have been too impatient w/ both kids

by Phoenix Stan on Sep 14, 2009 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s the mark of a fair-wheather fan. They want immediate results, and if not given to them, they will lose faith just as fast. You just have to laugh at people like that.

by SunsFTW on Sep 14, 2009 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

or they are realists, who know the odds are against these rookies =D

This season will be even better as long as I'm drinking while watching!

by ZonaFlash on Sep 14, 2009 8:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol!

That’s great. The little wheel chair is fantastic!

by Phoenix Stan on Sep 14, 2009 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's too bad...

Youtube is blocked at work :(

by SunsFTW on Sep 14, 2009 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

accurate but that is just cold-blooded if you have anyone in your family with a serious disability

As far as the expectations on these rooks, honestly, that was set by mgmt, not by the fans. My prob is not that fans were over-excited, they are supposed to be. My prob is that a bunch of seasoned basketball guys were duped and are now having to back peddle on their own expectations.

This season will be even better as long as I'm drinking while watching!

by ZonaFlash on Sep 14, 2009 8:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Said Kerr of Dragic:

"He’s a very good prospect and we felt that he was the No. 2 point guard in this past season’s draft after (Chicago’s) Derrick Rose…So to get him in the second round was a coup for us."

Said Kerr of Lopez:

"We have such great skill players here and I think the one thing that we’ve lacked over the past few years is a tough guy…He’s a guy who can get on the floor, get a little crazy, knock people down, take charges, bring energy, create second-chance opportunities and has a motor that doesn’t quit."

Why would Kerr and Co. draft someone and then tell his fan base: “Well he could suck, but we’re hoping for the best?” Guys get drafted and they don’t work out. It happens all the time. But if you are expecting management to pick a guy and then come out and bad mouth him or act like they aren’t excited, well then it just won’t happen. It reminds me of listening to politicians, you always have to take what is said with a grain of salt and think for yourself. The proof is in the pudding. I can think of a hundred other cliches to describe this.

As fans we reserve the right to dislike personnel, but we also owe our team a bit of fairness. Guys don’t develop overnight.

by Wil Cantrell on Sep 14, 2009 10:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kerr was duped and drank his own kool-aid

They don’t need to say the prospects suck, but temper the praise a little. He should have said something like he has this year. The picks were really good, but will take time to develop.

Mellow steady praise.

This season will be even better as long as I'm drinking while watching!

by ZonaFlash on Sep 15, 2009 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

and I think you’ve seen the organization learn that lesson this year with Clark. They’ve struck the right balance talking about his potential but not over-hyping him.

They screwed up last year w/ how they talked about Lopez and Dragic and I think they know that. But that doesn’t mean that both players don’t deserve more time to develop before writing them off

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @phoenixstan

by Phoenix Stan on Sep 15, 2009 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

True...

But it also doesn’t mean that given time they are going to show much more than they’ve shown already. As I’ve said for about the last year, Goran Dragic is not an NBA caliber PG and best case scenario I see for him is he becomes a solid backup SG. Go back and read his scouting report, all of his positives point to SG and all of his negatives point to a player who would not be a good PG in the L. Look at what he has shown us this summer…the fact that Slovenia doesn’t even trust him to play PG when their starting PG is out should say something, right? From what I’ve heard, they don’t even start him! Sometimes a fundamentally flawed player is just that no matter how much you try to convince yourself otherwise.

Lopez, on the other hand, I can see finding a niche on the run n’ gun club. He’s high energy and shows a lot of hustle he just needs to learn to foul less and move his feet a little better…and maybe pick up the playbook everytime he feels like picking up another comic book.

by watdogg10 on Sep 15, 2009 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Word

I still don’t see Dragic at the PG of the future you are all looking for, and the fact that Slovenia barely plays him at PG proves me I ain’t the only one who doesn’t see it working.
By the way, the fact that Dragic isn’t starting shouldn’t bother you guys. I watched some games, and Goran found his niche as an energy player who brings hustle, athletisicm and defense to the 2nd unit. Slovenia starts with Jaka Lakovic, it’s veteran PG who currently plays his 5th Eurobasket tournament. the 31 year old Lakovic has even started for Barcelona last year, but lost his starter status as a result of the Ricky Rubio signing. Lakovic should remain the starter, and Dragic compliments him nicely off the bench.

Overall, I’m not sold about Dragic as a NBA player. I thought there were much much better options at PG for the Suns: Ricky Rubio of course, Nick Calathes, Nando De-Colo, Sergio Llull and Ty Lawson,

by Oren on Sep 15, 2009 5:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

We shall see

you guys might be right but I don’t agree that the skill set isn’t there and I certainly don’t think we’ve seen enough to say for sure.

But I sense a bet coming on. Any ideas how we can put some parameters around Dragic’s realistic expectations for the season? And of course all good bets need a stake..

thoughts?

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @phoenixstan

by Phoenix Stan on Sep 15, 2009 6:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

What skill set do you see?

Poor judgment, slow reaction time, high dribble, defensive dribble, poor basketball IQ…those things don’t NORMALLY add up to a solid NBA PG. I’m willing to make a wager with you – if Dragic is playing MEANINGFUL PG minutes for a PLAYOFF team, his will be the next and last Phoenix Suns jersey I ever own AND I will never write another anti-Dragic column or comment in these pages. This means that A) the Suns have to make the playoffs and B) Dragic has to average 10 – 15 minutes at the point in the playoffs (none of this playing off the ball and letting Barbosa or others do all of the PG stuff or bringing it up passing it off and going to hide in the corner). Now, you know how much it’ll pain me, I mean physically hurt me, to buy a Goran Dragic jersey so if this doesn’t happen what are you going to do? Something for me personally? Something that will give you an equal amount of heartache? My chips are in Mr. Phoenix Stan…your move.

by watdogg10 on Sep 16, 2009 12:22 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok but

I don’t think being a playoff team should be a in the mix. Best hopes are the Suns maybe are a 5 seed.

If Amare, Hill and/or Nash goes down for extended time this team (no fault of Goran the rookie) won’t make the playoffs.

The rest I am good with: Dragic has to average 10 – 15 minutes at the point in the final one third of the season (none of this playing off the ball and letting Barbosa or others do all of the PG stuff or bringing it up passing it off and going to hide in the corner)

If not, I will never type the name “Dragic” again

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @phoenixstan

by Phoenix Stan on Sep 16, 2009 8:03 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

However...

If the Suns are completely out of the playoff picture like they were for the last I don’t know how many games last year, Dragic is going to get a lot of minutes because it doesn’t matter. I think we can look at what’s happening towards the end of the season though and figure out who wins, loses or if it’s a draw.

Final bet, Goran has to average 10 – 15 minutes at the point in the final one third of the season (as long as the Suns are in Playoff contention). Loser never mentions Dragic again in these pages.

by watdogg10 on Sep 16, 2009 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Deal

as long as the bet is void if the Suns aren’t in playoff contention b/c you can’t put that on Goran.

I think this bet needs it’s own post at some point btw

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @phoenixstan

by Phoenix Stan on Sep 16, 2009 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will do...

After I get the new Box n’ 1 up I’ll work up a post for it…probably this weekend.

by watdogg10 on Sep 16, 2009 6:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree — I thought Kerr overhyped the rookies in the media and that raised expectations far too highly + I thought Kerr overrated the rookies and was depending on them to fill large holes in the team, holes that should have been attempted to seal over by by (cheap) veteran free agents.

Kerr’s outlook on the rookies hurt the team on both levels — left it without enough depth which hurt on court performance and the hype machine’s counterproductive treatment of the rooks.

by NBR on Sep 16, 2009 4:21 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

that’s exactly how the Suns ended up selling draft picks in the first place. They felt like they didn’t have time to develop young players so they sold the picks and instead went for guys like Jalen Rose and Walter McCarty.

You can argue they should have picked Nic Batum or Mo Speights over Lopez but saying they shouldn’t have drafted at all? That’s a step back

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @phoenixstan

by Phoenix Stan on Sep 16, 2009 8:00 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry perhaps I wasn’t clear, you’ve misunderstood what I meant.

I didn’t want to see the team rely on Dragic + Lopez to fill roles in the rotation in their rookie. So no regular court time. I didn’t think either player was good enough to do an acceptable job as a 10-20 minute player off the bench and felt they needed to be taken along more slowly.

Since the team was a veteran squad with postseason hopes … I felt the team should have signed some minimum contract players to play the backup point guard and backup big man roles, while Dragic + Lopez sit for the time being.

As they improve the team could then consider putting them into the rotation.

I thought relying on rookies to fill such important roles on such a talented team as the Suns was a mistake.

It’s the minutes + responsibilities that they were being asked to fill as rookies that bothered me.

by NBR on Sep 16, 2009 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah I see

well – I agree that they should have signed someone other than Stromile Swift but their intent was for him to be that guy. W/ the backup PG they do always have the option of using LB behind Nash which he’s done for years now and thatt’s worked ok.

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @phoenixstan

by Phoenix Stan on Sep 16, 2009 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I’m happy with Barbosa at the point guard spot.

If Barbosa is the backup guard then I would have liked to have seen Kerr sign a backup wing … and preferably not Matt Barnes, another player Kerr poorly evaluated last offseason … to give second unit some reliable + productive bench players.

Barbosa needed/needs help from somebody off that bench.

This offseason

I’m not thrilled about Kerr’s lack of bench acquisitions this year either.

The bench still looks a bit, for the lack of a better phrase, a bit wishy-washy.

I think Kerr is taking another big gamble on the role players this season too.

by NBR on Sep 16, 2009 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Stuff

I needed a laugh this morning. But your point is well taken. Unrealistic expectations are the norm and these rookies must feel enormous pressure to live up to the expectatons. But I guess that’s why they get paid the money they do.

Maybe we can get Mr. McInness to do a spot for a college entrance exam for his 2 year old (have a really smart substitute baby actually take it).

by Tempslip3 on Sep 14, 2009 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Go read a book!

by N8lol on Sep 14, 2009 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dragić's Eurobasket campaign is over

Apparently he has strained ligaments in his knee.
The Slovenian coach Zdovc talked about Dragić: “I think I won’t play Dragić on this tournament, because his injury is serious. There are only six days until the end of it, and he will play only if he will ask me to play him”.

My source is Slovenian (who posted the news on a Eurobasket forum), so I still have no idea what his evaluated recovery time.

by Oren on Sep 14, 2009 3:26 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I think he’s done, and will soon be in the safe hands of one Aaron Nelson.

by Wil Cantrell on Sep 14, 2009 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the update

links appreciated if possible

Blogging Suns Basketball . twitter: @phoenixstan

by Phoenix Stan on Sep 14, 2009 7:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

here is a forum. not a real news source, but it mentions the injury.

by Wil Cantrell on Sep 14, 2009 7:07 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This link should be more reliable, but I don’t read Slovenian and Google Translate has done a poor job:

Young Slovenian players Goran Dragić (23), which is the brilliant performances in the European Championship once again confirmed the quality of his playing, due to a knee injury lateral ties rested at least 4 days. At extremely important game against Lithuania at striking the knee to the tension side was a knee-links (Stage I), which means that it will be releasing the next two games in Group F. Goran Dragić will perform in the coming days intensive therapy.

I can’t find any more reliable source. It’s a shame that FIBA’s websites are so lame.

by Oren on Sep 15, 2009 1:34 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

There might be some good news about Dragič

“Dr. Slobodan Macura ”http://forums.interbasket.net/showpost.php?p=335567&postcount=35" >optimistically claimed that Dragič won’t play against Turkey but certainly in QF."
Macura is Slovenia’s physiotherapist, and I guess that report was published in the Slovenian media.
On the other hand, The Slovenians are dealing with A LOT of injuries right now and they are looking to get past the quarterfinals for the first time in Team Slovenia history, and get a spot in the 2010 World Championship (Mundobasket) in Turkey. I hope they aren’t planning to risk Dragič for that cause.

by Oren on Sep 15, 2009 6:43 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh

The proper quote and link:

Dr. Slobodan Macura optimistically claimed that Dragič won’t play against Turkey but certainly in QF.

by Oren on Sep 15, 2009 6:45 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know what kind of arrangement we have with the Slovenians, but if I was Kerr and Co I’d be on the horn nicely stating that it’s over and Goran is expected back in PHX asap.

I’m surprised the Suns don’t already know something-maybe they do it just hasn’t been spread to the PHX media yet.

by Wil Cantrell on Sep 15, 2009 7:56 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Calling him back isn't going to solve this thing

Team Slovenia is on a mission right now, and Dragič feels like he is a part of it. He’ll be furious to come back before the end of the tournament, and I can understand him. Coach Zdovc said Dragič will decide whether to play or not, so it should be his call. He should make the right decision, depends on how he feels, and the Suns shouldn’t force him out of the tourney.

Besides, some NBA franchises deal with bigger worries than Dragič’s injury. The Raps gave Hedo Turkoglu a 50M$/5 year contract and should be worrying about him playing injured for a while (he played 38 minutes last night against Serbia and shot 1-16 from the field – 2-22 over the last two matches). I don’t think the Turks will rest Hedo tomorrow against Dragič’s Slovenia, and even with him playing like hell they are one of the best teams in the tournament, so he’s probably expected to log long minutes against tough opponents at the knockout matches.

by Oren on Sep 15, 2009 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tony Parker and Ginobili would come back...

and they have a whole mess of rings!

Just saying.

Any way we can get Popovich to coach us on our phone call to Dragic?

PSN ID- presbot

by presbot on Sep 15, 2009 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Ginobili example might be the worst you could pick

Ginobili decided to play at Beijing 2008 despite the injury he suffered during the 08’ playoffs, and although the Spurs asked him not to play. His injury got worse at the semis against Team US, and last season he was never himself until the Spurs shut him down. He recorded career lows in minutes and games, and his MPG average was the lowest since his rookie season. It is yet to be known whether he will be able to recover from that injury and become himself again (he never was the most athletic guy around, and he’s already 32 years old with a lot of mileage of Europe, Argentina and NBA play).

Parker already sprained his ankle earlier this summer, during the Eurobasket “Last Chance” qualifying tournament, and the Spurs called him back immediately. He clearly wasn’t happy about flying over to the US, but he was missing only one game – because the “Last Chance” tournament was played only twice a week, unlike the Eurobasket’s very tight schedule.

by Oren on Sep 15, 2009 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

D'oh!

Goes to show what I know!

PSN ID- presbot

by presbot on Sep 15, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Disagree, Oren

First off, I don’t care about other franchises, nor do I care about Slovenia, call me selfish, I care about the Suns. Dragic, if he is ready, is the backup PG. If he is injured, then we have to find another, or move LB over which creates a void at the 2, unless you want to put Tucker there. Clearly though we aren’t at our best with LB at the point.

I can go on and on about this and what could happen, but the bottom line is that if the injury is somewhat serious and Dragic should be resting, then he should be back in PHX preparing for the year. He is under contract with the Suns and getting paid pretty good money.

This type of thing is exactly why franchises refuse to let certain players play in international competition. Of course Dragic isn’t a Gasol or Nowitzki, etc. all, but still he could be a pretty important part of the team.

by Wil Cantrell on Sep 15, 2009 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

The Phoenix Suns, and by extension, Phoenix Valley resident taxpayers, pay Goran’s salary, not Team Slovenia.

It would be wrong to risk Goran’s future health for a stab at the QFs. These olympic teams are really getting a bad reputation.

This season will be even better as long as I'm drinking while watching!

by ZonaFlash on Sep 15, 2009 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course it would be stupid to risk Goran's future for short term success

I’m sure nobody is trying to hurt Team Slovenia’s youngest rotation player for a better shot at the knock-out stages. I’m also sure that Goran isn’t trying to hurt himself. I just hope this tournament will end well for both sides (although I really hope that Spain will stop struggling and finally win a Eurobasket title).

by Oren on Sep 15, 2009 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Dragic was injured before the Eurobasket

The Suns should have bring him back. Now, in the middle of the tournament and right before the knockout games, forcing his way out of the tournament will not motivate Dragic toward the 09/10 season. He doesn’t want to abandon his team and his nation.
I think you guys are really underestimating the importance of international play, especially for an unconfident player like Dragic. Playing with Team Slovenia, with other Slovenian professionals who speak his language and know him for years, could only boost his confidence (exhibit A) and give him some international experience. He also spending time with other players who has been in the NBA for a while, like Primož Brezec, Boštjan Nachbar, Uroš Slokar, Beno Udrih, Rasho Nesterović and Sasha Vujačić. Being a part of this team (although Vujačić, Nesterović and Udrih are out of the current roster because of injuries), and representing his country, will only make him a better and more experienced player.

I still hope he doesn’t do anything stupid and risk himself. He has another opportunity to show us that his desicion making ability has improved :)

by Oren on Sep 15, 2009 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

ligaments strained?

that’s like the worst thing that could happen, short of a ligament tear. ligaments just don’t heal.

This season will be even better as long as I'm drinking while watching!

by ZonaFlash on Sep 14, 2009 8:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hilarious...

what you said about Dragic having to listen to Porter’s indecipherable gibberish. What kind of performance could we expect? I got a good chuckle out of that one. I think Porter get’s the brunt for the team’s poor performance the first half of the season. I don’t think it’s too fair. He was brought in to teach the team defense and toughness. He tried to do the job to the best of his abilities. He could probably be a good coach somewhere else. That said, what you wrote is still hilarious.

Geo

by Galvara1022 on Sep 14, 2009 4:48 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope....

Dragic and Lopez come along and help the team this season. It would give us a chance to make the playoffs, possible as a 4,5,or 6. And who knows, if they play well, and our rookie E.Clark plays well, and our veterans play to form, we might have something. I know, alot of hoping and speculation…..

Geo

by Galvara1022 on Sep 14, 2009 4:49 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree. Porter attempted to do what was asked of him. Still, he doesn’t strike me as the type to be patient and teach the rookies. He inherited an experienced squad that was supposed to compete in the Western Conference, not a rebuild whereby he would be looked at as an understanding sage.

by Wil Cantrell on Sep 14, 2009 7:03 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Good piece Will.

I’m as guilty as anyone else. Just want to see our team perform its best. With the exception over my lack of confidence in either of them, I hope to give out a positive message so our fans and players who read this will have more hope.

Also, I try to give workable potential solutions to the problems we face. As such, I continue to recommend a trade with the Nets to land the other twin. They may not be willing to part with such a good young ball player but, on the other hand, they must know that they are going nowhere this year. That is why I believe they could be open to trading him, particularly if they get an exciting scorer to replace Carter from the Suns. Reuniting the twins is my best hope for maximizing the potential for our twin. As for our point guard prospect, he seems much more comfortable playing off the ball. But that 2/3 spot is where we already have a glut. Devin Harris would be the best. Nets have Rafer Alston now and we could give them Goran for depth and possibly even a future draft pick. We may also look into getting JJ from the Mavs, who need a dangerous scoring guard like J-Rich for their starting unit to take the defensive pressure away from Dirk, and/or their new French draft pick. Then Goran and the other young guys can compete for and earn the back up spot to Nash. Much too vital a spot to rely totally on “hope”. Most important comment you made was that LB is NOT a point guard but an amazingly talented scorer.

MUST start LB. Let’s go SUNS!!!!

MUST start LB. Let’s go SUNS!!!!

by BCrayZ on Sep 15, 2009 7:52 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Your trade suggestions will never happen, and I don’t even think the salaries match well enough to pull it off… If I am wrong, then please tell me.

by SunsFTW on Sep 15, 2009 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, are you seriously suggesting that the Nets would give us Devin Harris for Goran Dragic? I think I am confused on the premise of your trade. Are you talking about trading Nash, or JRich to the Nets? Oh nevermind, ti doesn’t matter, because the Nets would rather keep Devin Harris and Brook lopez for anything that we could possibly offer them… both are better players for the future of their team than anything we can offer aside from maybe an Amare package… which I wouldn’t want the Suns to do

by SunsFTW on Sep 15, 2009 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The numbers work.

Nets would be foolish to go for it but they aren’t going any where this year. Make room for LBJ in 2011 for the Nets, assuming he will stay for another year. Nets have Rafer Alston now. Will get J-Rich from Suns. Will also get Boozer from Jazz. They get 40 points plus per game from these two guys. Give up only Simmons’ bad deal and a promising ball player in their twin. That is besides giving us Harris. Besides J-Rich and Goran, we can give a draft pick to the Nets and/or the Jazz. We have youth on our side. This makes our draft pick easy to give, particularly when we get proven youth back.

Would solve our back up point and shooting guard and center need for the Suns. I believe it’s worth a phone call from Kerr.

MUST start LB. Let’s go SUNS!!!!

MUST start LB. Let’s go SUNS!!!!

by BCrayZ on Sep 15, 2009 4:14 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Suns don’t have a draft pick next year…

by SunsFTW on Sep 16, 2009 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought both players showed massive flaws in their games last season, so even if they improve a good amount I think they’ll struggle to be good rotation players next season.

I think their development is going to be more long-term than that.

  • Defense + Rebounding being the key for Robin Lopez who was relatively poor at both last season.
  • Becoming a floor general, decision making and an ability to run the offense being Dragic’s key.

If either player can improve well enough to be solid rotation players for the Suns next season, I’d be very happy with how quickly they’ve progressed as players.

by NBR on Sep 16, 2009 4:35 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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