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Let me ask you LB start guys a question. Are you really ready to see JRich and Dragic on the floor together in the second unit?

The real question is will Robin or Channing start and what will the front court rotation look like.


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A caveat on the start LB bench Jrich thing

Perhaps Richardson will show more with a whole season. I have my doubts. I seem to remember him being effective every OTHER game with Golden State.

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by Hawk42 on Sep 20, 2009 3:34 PM MDT reply actions  

The START LB movement

 
is about fans’ appreciation for a sweet player that has risen through the Suns’ ranks. There’s nothing wrong with JRich, he’s a good guy and a very good player, but he’s not done anything to really earn fans’ appreciation and I see no reason for him to place-hold or stunt the growth and development of LB into a superstar. We’ve seen JRich at his best, but we are waiting to see how good LB can be.

Dragic +JRich doesn’t scare me and it’s not like everyone comes off the bench at once. It’s not going to happen.

My secret desire is that we find a taker for JRich, pickup Carlos Arroyo as our backup PG and then fill in holes where we can. Or we keep JRich and pick up Carlos anyway.

As far as Robin vs. Channing, I have no vested interest. Perhaps it will be situational. Both players are young with good potential and they’ll probably split time rather evenly. May the best player win.

by MUST_START_LB!!!!!!!! on Sep 20, 2009 4:33 PM MDT reply actions  

I don’t understand why people think starting LB is so important. What evidence does anyone have that starting a player gives the team a better shot at winning?

If Barbosa proves more productive per minute than Rich, then give him more minutes through out the game. On the same note, if the match up dictates, you could in theory start LB against a smaller 2. But if the 2 is small enough, wouldn’t you want J-Rich posting him up?

In the case of a Grant Hill or an older player like him, it makes sense to keep them in a starting role since once an older player warms up he needs to keep playing otherwise he may stiffen up. But Barbosa is different.

So why does anyone give a crap who starts the game or ends the game, as long as they getting consistent, quality minutes?

by Wil Cantrell on Sep 20, 2009 7:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yup

Minutes and match ups. LB is more versatile off the bench b/c he can handle the ball and run the point and more importantly we KNOW that LB can be successful in that role. We don’t know how JRich would respond to losing his starting job.

I also think LB’s game has a lot of holes that get covered up by the role he plays for the Suns. Starting against other team’s starters over an extender period of time would expose those holes. He’s started only 10 or so game over the past few years.

It is interesting to note that his play off FG% drops 5 points which I think is indicative of the holes in his game.

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by Seth Pollack on Sep 20, 2009 8:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

works both ways, the more people says "Start LB" then a bunch say "No, JRich"

The issue is that LB is a player that does play shockingly better when he starts.

To say starting shouldn’t matter, I agree. To say starting doesn’t matter is patently false.

As with everything, matchups of course, and why rock the boat when the back court seems comfortable in their roles. Works for me.

This season will be even better as long as I'm drinking while watching!

by ZonaFlash on Sep 20, 2009 11:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I still think

the sample size for him starting is too small.

How many times (in lots of different sports) have we seen guys come in for spot duty and do well and then come back to earth after a period of time

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by Seth Pollack on Sep 21, 2009 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

too bad we may never know then =D

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by ZonaFlash on Sep 21, 2009 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

only if you

assume no injuries to Nash or JRich

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by Seth Pollack on Sep 21, 2009 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm already counting on a 2-game suspension for JRich =D

just saying the sample will be too small even with the pinch substitutions.

We’re lucky to have both JRich and Barbosa to fill out our backcourt, so the issue, as you mention, is probably less critical than the hole up front.

I hope Lopez has gone to the Cartwright Summer School for Starting Centers, because we need one.

This season will be even better as long as I'm drinking while watching!

by ZonaFlash on Sep 21, 2009 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

and for the record

let’s not forget that I was all for trading JRich to the T-wolves this summer and starting LB. I am not anti-LB.

But if you have JRich he needs to start. I also think there’s a good chance that he might benefit the most from not haveing Shaq around

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by Seth Pollack on Sep 21, 2009 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping for

career numbers out of JRich this season. with this offense, there’s no reason it can’t be accomplished!

by SunsFTW on Sep 21, 2009 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

the numbers back up what my eyes see between barbosa and j-rich

barbosa PER= 19.4
J-rich PER = 16.7

Barbosa has much better chemistry with nash then j-rich does. Also if you check out 82 games you can see that opposing SG struggle against barbosa compared to when they face up against j-rich.

also the line up of Nash-Barbosa-Hill-Stoudemire-O’Neal had the highest winning percentage of the line-ups we played last season.

I know numbers are not everything but they certainly back up barbosa drastically.

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by dontTradeAaronNelson! on Sep 20, 2009 4:35 PM MDT reply actions  

Robin Lopez vs. Channing Frye is an interesting question

But when you lead off telling me his plans to challenge roger ebert, open a restaurant, lively up himself, wait… no, just the restaurant, as fair as that should be, it clouds my judgment, cuasing me to root for Robin Lopez to earn the starting spot.

NBA athletes are exceptional in their abilities to serve multiple masters. But I wish the off-court distractions could go away in favor of the game.

Frye is talented and more polished than Lopez, but Lopez cannot back up the PF spot. Frye off the bench can backup Lopez or Amar’e, whoever grabs all the personal fouls first. I swear watching the first quarter will be like watching an easter egg hunt, where personal fouls are the easter eggs and the two most excited kids lookin for em are Lopez and Amar’e.

This season will be even better as long as I'm drinking while watching!

by ZonaFlash on Sep 20, 2009 4:45 PM MDT reply actions  

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