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Suns Forget to Continue Winning, Lose to Pacers 122-114

I've got lottery numbers for you all:  20, 18, 13, 24, and 24. Perhaps winning the lottery will make this loss a bit easier to swallow. If you didn't guess, those are the double digit leads the Suns have given up in the past 5 games.

Tonight was a different court, but the same story, yadda, yadda, yadda, Suns lose 122-114.

Welcome to the dark side, Bright Siders. We have entered the abyss and cannot see the light.

For a second I'd like to focus on some good things, and there aren't many, and then I'll return to reality:

  • How tough is Steve Nash? I'm in awe of this guy as a human being. He could have easily sat in the locker room, popped a vicodin and called it a night. Instead he came back to go 20 and 9 with 4 rebounds. He was still bleeding after the game.
  • The Suns jumped out to an early 35-24 lead in the first quarter. Of special note was Grant Hill's play. For the first time in awhile, he looked energetic, bucketing 6 points. His shot looked fluid, he looked like his normal Grant Hill self.
  • The bench stepped up and played great. Lou Amundson had 6 points and played his typical game of grabbing any ball with Spalding written across it and even managed to sink a free throw. Goran Dragic also played well with 4 points. The team seemed to rally with Steve Nash in the locker room receiving 7 stitches on his lip.
  • For the quarter the Suns shot 56% while limiting the Pacers to 32% shooting. Danny Granger scored ten points before finding himself in early foul trouble and as a whole, the Pacers looked like a 12-25 team, out of kilter, tossing up bricks and not executing their offense at all.
  • In the second quarter the Suns bench continued their collectively solid play, extending their lead to as many as 24 points. (Were you cringing at that point?) Grant Hill scored 8, Goran Frosty Dragic scored 5, and even Earl Clark scored a hoop. 

On to the Dark Side:

  • With the Suns up 56-32, the darkness began. Mike Dunleavy scored 5 straight, followed by Earl Watson, who put in 4. A Jason Richardson 3 interrupted the flow, but only momentarily. Troy Murphy ended the half with a 3-pointer, Suns 68, Pacers 52. (Were you opening that second or third beer?)
  • Enter the second half where Steve Nash returned with a band-aid across his upper lip and Mike Dunleavy went crazy. Dunleavy scored the first 11 points of the half for the Pacers and by the time Danny Granger made the second of two free throws, the Suns 24 point lead was down to, um 9, 75-66. Grant Hill picked up his 4th foul, and the Suns entered into the penalty with 8.5 minutes remaining in the quarter.
  • The Suns lost their lead, finally succumbing to an 91-89 deficit, while Dunleavy finished the quarter with 18 points. The only good news was Danny Granger picking up his 4th foul. Of course, it wouldn't matter. It was time for Roy Hibbert to step up. Danny Granger returned to take over while only Steve Nash and Amare Stoudemire gave any attempt to answer the Pacers increasing momentum.
  • If you want to relive it (maybe you are a glutton for punishment), here was the play by play of the final 7 minutes of misery:

Star-divide

 

4th

Whatever momentum the bench had in the first half is gone

103-100 pacers 7.42 to go

nash driving two has revived any semblence of an offense

After a pacer miss, Nash scores a jumper from 10, 104-103

5th foul on Grant Hill on Granger jumper 2 ft, 105-104 Pacers

Dudley misses everything but the backboard

5th Foul on Amare Hibbert makes two 107-104 Pacers 5.50 left

Amare drives on Hibbert 107-106 Pacers

Dhanttay Jones drive 109-106 Pacers

Stoudemire drives 109-108 Pacers

Hibbert miss

Hill miss

Hibbert fouled by Hill, Hill fouls out 4.04, 4th

Hibbert makes 1 of 2, 110-108 Pacers

Nash draws foul on Watson

Nash scores from 18, 110-110 3.40 left

Granger layup

Amare drives fouled by Hibbert 

Hibbert fouls out.

Amare makes 1 of 2, 112-111 Pacers

Granger scores a 3. 115-111 Pacers 2.41 remaining.

Nash miss

Dunleavy 3 118-111 Pacers

Offensive foul Barbosa 

Offensive foul Watson

Nash 3, 118-114 Pacers 1.32left

Granger miss from 3

Stoudemire wild terrible miss

Granger from 20 120-114 Pacers 47.3 left.

Missed airball 3 Nash

Suns foul 120-114 Pacers 29.9 left

Dunleavy two free throws 122-114 Pacers 

Barbosa awful miss 122-114 Pacers win.

 

Final Numbers (In no particular order)

  • The Suns shot 42.7% from the field, the Pacers 43%
  • The Suns were 7-17 from beyond the arc, the Pacers 12-29
  • The Pacers outscored the Suns 70-46 in the second half
  • Amare Stoudemire went 21 and 5, Nash 20 and 9 (stitches and all), Amundson 10 and 5 and 2 blocks, Frosty had 11 points and 4 assists, Grant Hill 14 and 6.
  • Leandro Barbosa was 3-12 from the field with 11 points.
  • The Pacers bench outscored the Suns 60-39
  • Earl Clark was 1-6 and scored 2 points
  • The Pacers blocked 13 Suns shots and out rebounded the Suns 54-44
  • Indiana made 21 of 37 shots in the second half, including 7 of 15 3-pointers. Phoenix was 16 for 44 in the second half
  • Danny Granger finished with 33 points, Mike Dunleavy 30. The Suns had no answer for the pair, none. The two scored as they pleased from long range.
  • At one point in the game, the Suns went 10 deep in their rotation and everyone who played had scored at least two points. I was pretty proud then.

More Darkness

  • I thought Robin Lopez was part of the rotation. Could he not have contributed and or slowed Hibbert's 14 and 8? i realize the pln was to take advantage of  Amare's quickness on Hibbert, but how about playing them both together? That forces Indiana to either move Hibbert onto Lopez or deal with a mismatch. 
  • Earl Clark. I understand he's only going to get better with minutes. But I'm not sure now is the time. Not when the team is struggling so mightily and has no answer as to why they are giving up double digit leads. Is he playing great in practice, has he earned floor time? Is this a Gentry move? A Kerr and Co. move? Perhaps someone has some answers. Two weeks ago Gentry said there was too much talent ahead of him for Clark to see floor time.  Was it the Hill foul trouble? I'm at a loss.
  • I find it amazing that Amare Stoudemire can score 20 points and have little to no effect on the outcome of the game. I'm not sure if that's a criticism or not. He was 8-16 with 5 rebounds, 5-7 from the line, a pretty efficient game.  Still, it was if he wasn't really there. Maybe it's me. 
  • Channing Frye did not score in the second half.

Game Quotes

Steve Nash

On the play:

"Just stepped in to take a charge and took an elbow in the lip, it spread open. It's not the worst thing in the world."

 

On the game:


"We let them get the momentum, and we couldn't stop the bleeding. They got their confidence up, and for some reason, our level of play drops. We gave up too many points in the third and fourth quarters. Can't expect to win too many games that way."

"We should have had this one. Slipped up. From now on, we'll keep it close in the first half and go up 20 in the second half. Even when we're at home, they think the reputation of the Suns is you can come back."
"We've got to find some kind of resolve to come away with a win in these situations. We didn't do a very good job of making it challenging. Some of our rotations were pretty questionable. They started to feel pretty good about themselves instead of us having a run to bury them. We just didn't have the energy we needed to start the third."
    Grant Hill
"It's not just me and my stupidity. We've got to be smarter defensively, rotations, leaving guys who are hot. We got away from running. We got up and down the first half and started playing methodical in the second half. When we're going through a tough stretch, we still have to play confident. Sometimes it wears on you, an 'Is it coming?' kind of deal."


 

Game Notes in Real Time (excluding the 4th)

1st quarter

Stat matched with murphy-goes right at him for two

Is Frye allergic to the backboard?

Pacers look like a HS team, cant make anything. Suns not better

Hill looking good early, looks energetic, fluid Hill shot

Up and down game, not much D being played

J-Rich should be attacking Earl Watson

Granger's shot flat

Two straight to JRich taking adv of mis match

Appears Suns spreading it around which is good, however the matchup between Amare and Murphy needs to be manipulated more. Of course the Watson/Richardson matchup is also a mis match. Nash has his choice of what he wants to work, and so far its mostly JRICH and Hill

Suns should be creating separation. with 4.45 left, suns shooting 41% and Indiana 29%. There's no way we should be screwing around with this team.

NASH takes charge at 4.14 left and goes bloody from the top and inside the lip. No offensive foul called. Nash goes to locker room

hope he's ok, but this gives some other guys a chance to step up. its high time LB and Dragic started producing.

LOU comes in to spell Amare (2 PF)  with a 3 pt play and then a 10 foot jumper.

7 straight fg attempts

8 different players scored thus far

35-24 suns 7-2 run

55.6 fg  pacers  32%

2nd quarter

suns playing great collectivley-great production from bench

grant hill playing with great energy before exiting with 3 fouls

suns get big lead 23 pts

dragic 5-7 thus far, blocks 7 2 Hibbert's shot

suns gone 10 deep in first half

Pacers shave lead down to 16 at the half

Suns 68-52

fg-48.1 Suns 3pt 5-9 55.6 %

32.7-pacers 5-14 3's

rebounds suns 28-27

Dragic 11pts 4 assts

Hill 14 pts 3 fouls

Amundson 7 pts 2 rb's 2 blocks

amare 9 pts

Jrich 8 pts 6 rb's

frye 7 pts 6 rb's

granger 4-12, 13 pts

watson 8 pts

dunleavy 7

murphy 2-11, 5 pts, 8 rb's

pacers 8 blks 7to's

suns 3 to's.

 

3rd quarter

nash back

granger picks up 4th foul

Suns lose lead 89-91

dunleavy first 11 pts in 3 mts. for pacers

hill picks up 4th

suns over team foul limit at 8.30 left.

dunleavy going off 18 pts in quarter

One Last Thing

Remember earlier in the year when the Suns couldn't muster any energy at the beginning of a game? At least we are now starting fast. Sure there is no solace in such thinking, the bottom line is the team doesn't play a full 48 minutes. The ups and downs are infuriating. But at least we aren't sucking for all 48 minutes. We still are the 5 seed in the West, 1.5 games away from the 2 seed.

I'm beginning to think the rotation needs to be tinkered with. Perhaps even the starting lineup. Our lapses usually come at the midway point of the second quarter, or a little earlier. Maybe Dragic at the two with Nash, maybe J-Rich off the bench to provide more offense. Maybe start Dudley, bring Hill in off the bench. More Lopez, less Barbosa (until he's ready to be Barbosa). Earl Clark doesn't appear to be the answer. Perhaps that will change. I kind of doubt it though. Just suggestions with plenty of reasons not to, but at this point, something has to change. No one, not any of the players or the coaches seem to have the answers. What do you all suggest?

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What.The.Hell. I mean, seriously, someone please remind the Suns that they’re only going to be mediocre at best. That way they might have a chip on their shoulder and something to prove. Maybe Steve Nash has to have a fit and accuse the other guys of being nothing but scrubs and they aren’t worthy of playing with him.

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by JasonEllis on Jan 13, 2010 11:21 PM MST reply actions  

This needs to change.

I understand that Nash is pushing the “we weren’t even supposed to be THIS good” manra, and I’ve backed him for that, but after a while, the team has got to start playing to their potential, and we KNOW that they can play a lot better than 10-12 in their last 22, even though we weren’t picked to make the playoffs. Using the “we’re better than we thought they were” excuse doesn’t work when you’re playing like crap.

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Jan 13, 2010 11:59 PM MST reply actions  

Ummmm.....

As being Suns fans…. We all know this has been a trademark of the Suns for how long now?? Probably ever since D’Antoni came to town and left town. Still a problem now.

We know we can jump out to big leads…. We just can’t usually hold leads. Most of the time not only can we not hold big leads…. but, much like this game end up losing them too.

by chuckyj1 on Jan 14, 2010 1:29 AM MST reply actions  

yep...but

those teams had among the “same group of excuses” one other big cause…the team didn’t go but 6-7 deep….this team goes 9-10 deep, simple point, as a “team”, they shouldn’t be as tired and should be able “…..if motivated” work hard on defense…but that hard work just isn’t consistently there. If it was, we’d be a top 5 team easily instead hanging on in the top 10-15 team rankings

by be-the-ball on Jan 14, 2010 7:17 AM MST up reply actions  

Defense

That filthy word that got Porter run out of town…..

If you can’t keep that torrid pace for the whole game, you’d damn well better have some defense to stop the other team then

"I've been around long enough to know how ignorant I am. I don't assume the universe obeys my preconceptions. Huh! But I know a frelling fact when it hits me in the face!"

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jan 14, 2010 1:58 AM MST reply actions  

Yes

That’s the simple answer to our current problem. Defense.

Problem is, with the way our team is constructed, our best defenders cannot score consistently without being under the hoop (Amundson), will go hot and cold from beyond the arc (Dudley) or are just not playing (Lopez).

I really feel like Dragic is on the cusp of figuring it out. Once he does, and figures out how to deliver the ball to people in places where they can score (like Steve Nash), we will be much better. But I don’t know if that will ever happen.

It goes to show how rare a player Steve Nash is. Not only can he create his own shot by driving or shooting from wherever (which is what Dragic is beginning to do), but he knows where his teammates are and should be. He knows where they can score from, and he doesn’t put them in awkward spots by delivering the ball to them in places where they are most likely to give up a turnover. He’s just a brilliant player-cerebral, and athletic.

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by Wil Cantrell on Jan 14, 2010 8:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Im so sick of coming home and checking the scores to see the same story every time.
Im also sick of seeing Gentry, Amare, Nash all saying they need to figure out how to fix this blowing leads problem. Well stop saying that and do something about it god damn!

Its not the losing that annoys me, cuz you cant win every game and even if this team was as bad twolves ill still support them just as much but getting out to a 20+ point lead when the game should be over and the opposition should be buried and then losing its just frustrating.

Im abit confused why you were saying its as if amare wasnt there because if you look at the gameplay notes youll see when the game was on the line there was 2 players names who seem be the only ones doing anything and that was Nash and Amare.

This has been my question all season long, where the fuk is Richardson.
Because he sure as hell wasnt defending Granger.

by bassy500 on Jan 14, 2010 2:33 AM MST reply actions  

Exactly My Point
Im abit confused why you were saying its as if amare wasnt there because if you look at the gameplay notes

Amare was in game play and as I said in the recap, put up a pretty good looking line in the boxscore. To the point-HE PLAYS ONE END OF THE FLOOR.

And I didn’t quite understand what I had been thinking for some time now, but I get it now. Amare can never control a game as a max superstar NBA player would. He can dominate an opponent for 10-12 minutes of a game and put up decent points, but on the defensive end, he doesn’t stop anyone.

He’s not a max player and I don’t even think I would sign him to an extension (unless it was really cheap). To be honest I’d rather have Carl Landry right now.

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by Wil Cantrell on Jan 14, 2010 8:19 AM MST up reply actions  

This stems from

not better depth and length off the bench. Dudley is a nice player off the bench, Lou hustles his ass off, LB when on can score, Dragic is OK at this time for a backup point guard who we hope improves. However it is an OK bench. Now tie that in on an overrated JRich, a overrated Amare, and team for the last 30 years that does not have the balls to play “D”, leads will get lost, even 20 point ones.
 This will continue to be a problem, becauses this team refuses to draft well. Clark and Lopez are the classic 12th man on a bench. I am sure I am not the only one to screamed for Blair, or Casspi this last year. I watched Clark in the Big East for 4 years, he is not a NBA player.
 This road trip will be ugly.

by Grockcubs on Jan 14, 2010 5:19 AM MST reply actions  

Dudley has been pretty bad off the bench lately.

I hate to say it, but he’s had minimal impact during this 5-game stretch. Since he’s soaking up 20-30 minutes a night, he can’t have such a low impact anymore. I honestly think our main problems are:

1. Turnovers
2. Barbosa playing badly
3. Dudley playing badly

by jburning on Jan 14, 2010 7:10 AM MST up reply actions  

i'd add

4. lack of team hustle on defense…part of the reason lou looks so good is because he’s often one of the only suns players hustling

number 2. – barbosa could be number one right now

by be-the-ball on Jan 14, 2010 7:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Dudley +1
Since he’s soaking up 20-30 minutes a night, he can’t have such a low impact anymore.

Absolutely agree.

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by Wil Cantrell on Jan 14, 2010 8:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Wow ...

Didn’t realize this until now, but the Suns had only 6 turnovers last night.

by jburning on Jan 14, 2010 8:59 AM MST up reply actions  

yup was gonna mention that but forgot

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by Wil Cantrell on Jan 14, 2010 11:45 AM MST up reply actions  

another tragic thing there

one of the areas this suns team has been consistent is making bad choices with the draft…much of this comes down to the money….this suns management does some things to prove they’re not cheap, but they’re not on the same planet as 4-5 other teams, as far as being committed to winning…the money isn’t there.

by be-the-ball on Jan 14, 2010 7:20 AM MST up reply actions  

Selling the draft picks was bad, but I don't necessarily think our draft picks themselves are bad.

The Suns are terrible at developing them. The trouble is, the Suns love to pick “project” high-upside guys. And those are the type of guys that NEED to be thrown into the fire and play heavy minutes right away, in my opinion. They don’t have the work ethic and mental toughness out of college to sit at the end of the bench and understand why they’re not playing. Instead, they end up sulking and letting their talents go to waste. I know it seems wacky, like you’re rewarding guys for being lazy, but it’s about learning how to get the best out of players instead of teaching a lesson. That’s just how it is. The troubled kids in school need the most attention from the teacher to turn things around.

by jburning on Jan 14, 2010 8:34 AM MST up reply actions  

I respectfully disagree

The Suns draft picks since 2000
 2000: Jake Tskalidis
 2001: Alton Ford
 2002: Amare, and Casey Jacobson
 2003: Zarko Cabarkapa ( 17th overall)
 2004: Lou Deng ( Chicago)
 2005: Nate Robinson (Knicks) Marcin Gorat ( Magic)
 2006: Rondo (Boston) Sergio Rodriguez ( Portland)
 2007: Rudy Fernandez ( Portland) A. Tucker, DJ Strawberry
 2008 Robin Lopez
 2009: Earl Clark.

 Yes they have drafted some good players, however excluding Amare all the good ones were sold, or traded.
 This is a deplorable record. Sure you can build teams in various ways, I will admit that. But to have a track record like this is unaceptable.

by Grockcubs on Jan 14, 2010 9:31 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree with this one million percent. Gortat would be a perfect fit next to Stat. Rondo is a top 5 point guard in the NBA. I’d put Nash, Paul, Williams ahead of him for sure and then it is debatable after that. Nate Rob is a great fit as a backup PG in this system. Rudy is a great 3-pt shooter. Luol Deng would be an all-star in this offense and gives effort defensively.

Thank you someone for showing this ridiculous chart.

by Superelkman on Jan 14, 2010 11:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Let's not panic just yet...

Yes the team has its issues, but we’re still in the mix of things in the Wild Wild West, and the team has potential to play with almost any team out there and should make the playoffs as is. We’re on pace to reach 50 wins, and if the team can kick it up a notch in the second half of the season, we might be able to complete for the 4th spot.

I think the Lakers, Nuggets, Mavs probably have the top three spots, with maybe Denver and Dallas switching. Perhaps we have a shot at the 4th seed. And, depending on the injury situation throughout the West, maybe we can make a run if we’re healthy and playing well at the time.

Alot of maybe’s, I know. But the bottom line is this, the Suns are a good team capable of being very good, but probably not great. At least not greater than the top five teams in the league. I put us in the top ten maybe around 7 or 8.

In any event, I don’t agree with one of the comments above. The team is NOT mediocre. Mediocre is breaking even, and we’re 9 games above that. We have issues, but I like Mr. Cantrell’s suggestions. I think playing with the line-up might be a possible solution to identify which is the best combination. I like the idea of starting Dragic over JRich, if for anything to advance Goran’s progress and give our bench more of a boost with Jason. Also, I think playing Lopez more is critical. I like Frye’s 3-point shooting, but eventually we’re going to need more of an inside presence if we want to seriously compete. Lopez needs to get more confidence and contribute more. We tried having Hill come off the bench last year and it didn’t work out so well. So I don’t know about that one. It would be great if our #1 draft pick could contribute his talent and athletic abilities in the second half of the season. He does have both. He just needs some confidence and playing time to develop them. The point is: Let’s look for a way to improve and not panic!!!

We’re still one of the most exciting teams to watch with the most points per game in the league. Our rebounding all things considered has improved from last year. We just need to find a way to hold on to our gosh darn leads!

Geo

by Galvara1022 on Jan 14, 2010 8:33 AM MST reply actions  

The record since the 14-3 start

is 10-12, that is mediocre. This team needs to defend, and if they continue to treat defense as an after thought, they will continue to be mediocre.

by Grockcubs on Jan 14, 2010 9:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Reality is...

…the Suns need to make a move. This team should be geared to win now and they can with another piece. Who knows when Nash is going to realize he is closer to 40 than 30 and this team is screwed. Go out, be aggressive in acquiring an athletic, defensive minded big or a good defensive rebounding big. This team will lose in 5, maybe 6, games in the first round if they don’t play defense in atleast spurts, and if they don’t keep the opponent off the offensive glass atleast a little bit.

by Superelkman on Jan 14, 2010 9:16 AM MST reply actions  

we can get shaq, right?

by kuato lives on Jan 14, 2010 10:09 AM MST up reply actions  

I said an ATHLETIC, defensive minded big

Marcus Camby, Tyrus Thomas, Tyson Chandler, Kenyon Martin…

Just someone who will alter some damn shots and board….

by Superelkman on Jan 14, 2010 11:59 AM MST up reply actions  

calling it now

time for change in the line up take frye out and start lopez to see how fast we start now .
lopez must be in the dog house if clark is getting time on the court

by phxuk: Ap on Jan 14, 2010 11:27 AM MST reply actions  

True… Frye can score with the second unit off the bench

by Superelkman on Jan 14, 2010 11:59 AM MST up reply actions  

I like this idea -

this needs to happen.

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Jan 14, 2010 3:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Good call - you must be a basketball prophet

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Jan 19, 2010 5:12 PM MST up reply actions  

On Nash coming back in ...

Why? Really?
Up by 18 without him and his 7 stitches. I know he wants to play and I know he’s tough, but there is a fine line between bravery and stupidity. Put another way, “It’s easy to be hard, but it can be hard to be smart.” Nothing came of it, but I cannot see the rationale.

Even more astounding is that 11 guys watching their leader play with 7 fresh stitches cannot get motivated enough to win a game against a bad team.

Mmmmm ... Guinness

by JSun on Jan 14, 2010 1:27 PM MST reply actions  

Even more astounding is that 11 guys watching their leader play with 7 fresh stitches cannot get motivated enough to win a game against a bad team.

Exactly.

by Azreous on Jan 14, 2010 2:07 PM MST up reply actions  

What's the mystery?

I’m sorry and maybe it’s me but there isn’t a real mystery here. We are a jump shooting team and the very nature of that act is that it will be streaky. Make your shots andf the other team has to pull the ball out of the basket and come down. Miss it? Better get back on transition D. So take a team that lives and dies by the jump shot, can’t rebound and has poor transition defense and you’ll have a team that will have streaks like this … both within the game and throughout the season. If they are going to shoot jump shots (and that’s how this team is constructed) and they want to prevent this sort of “giving up leads” then they had better do one of two things … crash the boards or get back on “d”. If you try to do both you are going to get caught giving up lay-ups and open three’s etc.

Add to that the idea that we’re in the dog days of the season and so mentally they just lose it. Almost like somebody pulls out a shiny object and the team collectively gets distracted.

This is a 48 – 34, 7th seed team at best. We’re fooling ourselves to think otherwise. Hate writing that but I think it’s true.

by LA Eric on Jan 14, 2010 2:15 PM MST reply actions  

I would like to see AG

start fining guys for taking jump shots once the lead is around 20 pts – from that point on – anything and EVERYTHING should be taken hard to the rim.

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Jan 14, 2010 3:16 PM MST reply actions  

Agreed

But that will require them to play. From their perspective it has to be more “fun” to be running down the wing, getting a pass and squaring up for the jump shot …. miss? No problem we’re still up by twenty .. oh gee… we’re only up by four … oh oh.

by LA Eric on Jan 14, 2010 4:19 PM MST up reply actions  

You are who you are

Can’t just change your entire offense because you’ve built up a lead.

by hcblankscreen on Jan 14, 2010 5:43 PM MST up reply actions  

we do take it to the rim - that is part of our offense

If the run & gun is working – we can out-score the opponent in points in the paint any day. You can run the wing and instead of hitting the breaks and settling for a short jumper or a long 3 – drive to the rim and either get an easy bucket or get sent to the line. Force the team to play transition defense while they are down and dejected. Don’t slow it down and let them catch their wind and clear their minds.

It wouldn’t be changing our entire offense if we take it to the rim – JRich is a slasher – Grant Hill is a slasher – Amare is a pick and roll prodigy – and Nash can get into the paint for a high percentage shot anytime he wants – same with the bench. Goran does push the ball and can get to the rim or create enough space in the paint to take a high percentage shot – LB is a wizard of get-to-the-rimology – Jared Dudley has a knack for the ball and can take it to the rim and draw the foul – same with Lou or even Clark if he wanted.

What is changing our style is exactly what the Suns have been doing for the last 10 games – when they get a big lead they try to switch into ‘half-court’ mode and slow down the pace – they dump it off to Amare in the post for him to face up one on one – or they hang on the perimeter until they are forced to take a bad outside shot.

DON"T DO THAT. Stick to our guns of taking it to the rim. I would like to see more Amare Pick and rolls when we’re up with a big lead (SLAM it on someone and hurt some feelings – don’t let them stir emotionally in a stagnant defensive role, they only build confidence when they sit back and watch the opposing team try and play the clock game and stop attacking). I would like to see more give and go screen cuts from LB/JRich/Grant/ or even Dudley – get to the rim. Draw contact. STAY PHYSICAL .

They say "don't swim with the sharks", but I'm faster than sharks so it's not a big deal...

by Eutychus on Jan 15, 2010 11:35 AM MST up reply actions  

The problem is Dan Majerle needs to stop being a Suns assistant coach and enter the game once they are up 20.

by Superelkman on Jan 15, 2010 8:25 AM MST reply actions  

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