If The Phoenix Suns Continue To Struggle Could Nash Be Traded?

there is no need to keep Nash here, let him go somewhere and try to win a Championship. Orlando is the first place to come to mind, however, Jameer Nelson is not who I envision running the point in PHX the coming years.

A S&T for David Lee is the best option IMHO.

can it happen?

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5389562

Nash, Amare and Hill to Miami
O’Neal, Beasley, Chalmers and 2 1st’s to PHX

Miami wins it all, PHX blows up, gets some young talent and picks + 15M capspace next year

we will be fine.

i think our biggest problem is that we don’t have a lock-down defensive big man down the stretch. both amare and frye cannot play great defense. Lopez is showing promise, but he is too young. as long as we can somehow fix this problem, we are ok. so yeah, do NOT blow up this team. stick it out!!!!!!

When I made this post I was taboo, welcome to the side of reason :D

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2009/12/22/1213178/why-the-suns-should-have-traded

I think the Suns should trade both Amar’e and Nash now. The reasoning was to see if they could muster a championship run out of the two. I’m not one to over react to a bad spurt, or get too excited about a good spurt. But regardless of how well or how poorly they are currently playing, it is clear to even the casual fan that this team can’t compete for a championship. They should make the playoffs, and could even have home court in the first round, but I don’t think it’s probable they even advance beyond the second round.
And now with a bunch of young teams coming into their own, Memphis, Thunder, I could even imagine losing a first round series to one of those two, or even the playoff spot.

Actually the Heat are in the best position to sign free agents. 24 million on the books next year is all, and 17 million of that is Wade’s player option. The rest is Beasley. Beasley Wade Amar’e? I’m on board with that.

The Suns have the awful blend of slow and inexperienced. Not exactly the winning formula.

Firstly, lets not panic. .500 ball from here until the end of the season gets us into the playoffs, thanks to that 14-3 start. I’d rather that, without a first rounder, than blow it up and give OKC a lottery pick. That’s the thing: without a 1st rounder, lets just stay the course.

Besides, do you really think anyone wants to play a Suns squad in the playoffs? They get hot from 3 and they could cause a massive upset. We won’t win, but neither will 28 other teams!

Second, I think the answer of why they are struggling is simple: the opponents have worked out the Suns a little bit.

Whereas the Marion Suns scored a lot of fast break points, this team doesn’t, which means that when the threes aren’t falling, or the pick and roll is ineffective, the Suns struggle as they have no other goto play in the half-court.

On top of that, the second unit has no real go to play, which makes their play a hit and miss affair, with great and extremely poor stretches.

The Suns need, desperately, to develop another offensive play they can go to. And there are two things the Suns should do: run Nash off screens ala Reggie Miller, & JRich in the post.

Nash is such a good shooter, when all else fails, running him of screens and letting him jack it up seems a no brainer. I know he is a great passer, but sometimes, letting him just fire away makes sense. And JRich in the post is just an underused play. He is physically so big, that he’d be almost impossible for most 2 or 3s to stop, and make him our first double team threat in a while.

The second unit, especially if Frye moves there, could surround JRich with three point shooters, making doubling him a risky proposition. Imagine: Dragic, JRich, Dudley, Frye and Louis / Lopez, and you have three shooters, and a weakside rebounder on every post play. I call this the “Ginobli Ploy”, i.e. putting a great player on the second unit to abuse opponents benches.

Playing JRich with the 2nd unit would also create more minutes for LB to play with Nash, which would help him & get the Suns a few more fast break points,. The Nash “Hail Mary” pass to a streaking LB on the break has always been a Suns special – and usually good for ~4 points a game. When was the last time we saw that play?

I think the Suns should think about getting LB into the game sooner (say, 3-6 minutes in), and getting JRich more minutes with the second unit as a post threat. That should pretty much cure the offensive flat patches that lead to lost leads, which is the major deficiency we’ve suffered recently.

yeah right…steve is the face of the franchise…if he wants to leave, they’ll trade him but they won’t trade him otherwise..he makes the team better, so without him, they’ll be even worse.

i don’t even know why you guys are talking about this…strong suns fans. strong hope.

The Suns are in the unenviable position of having mortgaged their future, and their current roster is not performing.

If we continue to struggle we can say goodbye to Amare (for nothing if we don’t trade by the deadline). and our young players are far from talented enough to be starting.

The problem is, teams have figured out how to stop the suns. Press Nash so he has to pass early, and push the ball to the post players to contend with Amare and Frye who don’t exactly play the best post defense.

There is only one thing that will fix it for us. time.

J Richardson getting 13.3 million a year will not be taken by anyone, Trades where we offer him will be laughed at. The best thing to do with him is to put him on the bench and hope that wakes him up and he starts playing at even an average level. The idea of giving him more shots is amazing.. the real problem however is not simply Richardson it is that Gentry is being allowed to coach this team.
He is a nice man. So What. After each disaster, he says they beat ys bad or I do not understand why we do these things. I believe him. He does not understand very much of anything. The top teams always have someone that drives them. Pops for the Spurs, Kobe for the Lakers, LeBron for the Cavaliers.
We have no one. The only player we have smart enough really for the job is Hill and in b-b games he just gets too tired.
We NEED A COACH. Kerr is ignoring a very obvious cry for help every time the team gets slaughtered by 20 points.
The problem is nor ability. We have one of the best benches in the NBA if they are allowed to work, The problen is our starting 5 are all loaded with weakness.
Nash who has tremendous talent but plays little d and carries around these mental problems where he finds it hard to play against old friends, on TNT, after Spurs game and many others,
Amare actually the best of the bunch.
Hill whose weakness is age.
Frye with real talent but no direction,
Richardson whose problem is that he can rarely play well against good teams.
A good coach could fix much of this. Hill in b-b should be saved for the second half of the game.
Richardson made a bench player while we try to wake him up and get something from him.
Frye being talked to about responsibility and being given goals and useful feedback.
Nash being given more rest and not having to feel he must be superman.
Use the young players more. Especial with an intelligent coach that actually understands match ups they can and will get the job done.
And if they fail——well how can it be worse than this but I think they can win. They have been dealing with no coach and very poor role models and they are still very good.
We have to trust them and help them by giving them a coach that can LIFT the team and not simply be an admission of inferiority.
GL

With this slump for the Suns, what could be more frustrating than a team that gets a big lead, then blows it and loses on a regular basis.

If that becomes your product, you kindof have to blow it up. They have a few weeks to turn it around, If they cant, whose gonna watch them?

Bucks play b-b at Suns and lose by 4 points. Bucks play b-b at Utah and lose by 17.
Gentry is a nice man. That qualifies him as a boy scout coach. Sloan just wants to lock up wins. As to our players, I wonder if any of them except for Richardson would have any problem getting other jobs.
By the way are Sloan, Jackson and Pops NICE GUYS

Harden, Ibaka, Expiring + our 2010 pick back.

man..why the hell would we trade amare? he is our most consistent player, next to nash. j-rich is so inconsistent and frye is going to start hurting with less minutes…he needs confidence. and these trade ideas are dumb as hell…nash for jameer? that’s terrible, and i’ve never heard of a team trading people to help another team win. then nash, amare and hill for o’neal, chalmers and beasley? another bad trade…and who would start? chalmers or goran? that’s not fair. you guys need some hope and dedication.

if we’re talking about bad trades, let’s trade j-rich to the bucks for jerry stackhouse and ilyasova

i know the team are playing with no heart at time but keep with it.

i was all for trading steve nash start of season but seeing him play this year i think we should keep him we can get JNelson of JCalederon but i would take NASH all night long.

i think only 2 players we can trade are JRich and Amare.

Jrich to dallas for JHoward his contract end this summer.

Amare and Hill to Knicks for DLee JJefferies CMobley

these are some of the trades (work on ESPN trade) but i think we should keep with it until the end of the season.

we will make the playoffs and maybe be out in the second round if we are lucky.
i think Coach needs to grow a pair and change the line up.

Starters :Nash LB GH AS Lopez
Reservers: GD JR JD Clark/LOU Frye

play out season then low ball amare in contract decision then have some money not a lot to spend in free agency.

Amare and JRich to PHI. Suns get Iguodala, Dalembert, Speights.

The Suns would lockup the best back court in the league with Nash/Iguodala. They’d get a promising young PF prospect in Speights to replace Amare. And both teams would essentially swap bloated contracts in Richardson and Dalembert that would address weaknesses on both team. And of course Phili gets Amare.

Which team would say no?

i seriously think the team needs a good talking to, explaining how they need to play with heart and play hard if they want to win and surprise everyone…they have the skill. a separate speech to amare about how he has to play hard and play great defense if he wants a better team.

no. i was raised to believe there were no stupid questions, so i’ll just say this one was idiotic.

amare is on the block. not steve.

i didn’t even read past the headline it is so preposterous.

let’s trade j-rich and get raja bell back…he’s always been one of my favorite suns.

BARBOSA AND LOPEZ ARE STARTING TONIGHT

As a Knick fan, I’d like to see Nash in orange and blue, but something annoys me about this article—the idea that the Knicks don’t have the talent to attract Lebron and other free agents. I’m sorry, but that’s an old idea that is quickly being disproven. In fact, David Lee alone has risen to star caliber level this season, has developed a mid-range jumper, and can potentially be re-signed with a back-loaded deal, as he wants to remain a Knick. Add the emergence of Gallinari, as well as Wil Chandler—who has been playing very well and still has much upside, and the Knicks have just as much or more talent than any of the other teams with max level cap room this summer.

word is kevin martin is on the trading block….let’s get this f*cker

I think if you’re Sarver, you pull Nash aside, and ask him if he wants to continue here, then the Suns try to make a big play to free up cap space and sign a big name over the summer. If not, then you trade him to a contender, wish him well knowing that he brought Suns basketball back. Either way, Nash should be able to choose his own destiny. The team owes him that much.